Last 5 games 2nd half

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EvilTroyAndAbed
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These are kids, and I love them for choosing Baylor and playing for Baylor. But we're cooked. I think we've got one more win in us this season.
bearpreacher
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Yeah, going to be a short NCAA tournament
EvilTroyAndAbed
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All the other coach has to do is say "let's keep in close in the first half and we got them right where we want them."
CST Bear
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three loses to ISU where it was over before the final media timeout. That is not what we've grown accustomed to versus anyone else in the entire country.
BluesBear
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Calm down......Very tired legs.... I like our chances heading into the REAL tournament....
bear2be2
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EvilTroyAndAbed said:

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These are kids, and I love them for choosing Baylor and playing for Baylor. But we're cooked. I think we've got one more win in us this season.
I know, I know, causation and correlation and all that, but over the last six games, we're 0-4 in the games Keyonte George has finished (none of which were close) and 2-0 in those he hasn't -- overcoming an 18-4 deficit against Texas at the time of his exit.

That's ... not great.
CST Bear
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I've told myself many times that Bridges was the key to this team. Never would I thought he could nearly score 30 and we'd lose.

But then we basically failed to rebound on both ends the entire day. We would absolutely lose to a 15, 14, 13 seed in the tourney with those numbers.
bear2be2
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CST Bear said:

I've told myself many times that Bridges was the key to this team. Never would I thought he could nearly score 30 and we'd lose.

But then we basically failed to rebound on both ends the entire day. We would absolutely lose to a 15, 14, 13 seed in the tourney with those numbers.
There aren't many 13-15 seeds (there may not even be one) with the dudes to outrebound us that way. I don't worry too much about us losing in the first round. But anyone we play in the second round will be talented enough to beat us -- particularly if we play the way we have for most of the last six games.
CST Bear
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Fair enough.

Seems like we've seen and learn there's many ways to beat this team who, to clarify, is still elite...at times.
bear2be2
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CST Bear said:

Fair enough.

Seems like we've seen and learn there's many ways to beat this team who, to clarify, is still elite...at times.
But only good teams have been able to do it. We haven't lost a game yet to a team outside of the KenPom top-25.

This team frustrates me endlessly. I understand where you're coming from. I don't expect us to survive the first weekend. But I'd be very surprised if we lost in the first round.
DanaDane
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We gave up just as many offensive rebounds to Ok State. They just couldn't hit the broad side of a barn with their team full of clankers or they could have easily won 2 weeks ago too. People can keep trying to sweep the dust under the carpet and pretend this is a one time event. It isn't. Instead of gradually getting better during the course of the season, there are many arguments to make that it got much worse toward the end. That's particularly disconcerting when you also have no visible, fiery player to serve as an on-court leader.

Teams that go far in the NCAA tournament are almost always teams that value possessions. That is one of the greatest flaws with this team. And, you certainly can't do that when you're not really a good rebounding squad to begin with. If we get the right match up in game 1 and maybe the R32 game, we can advance. If we get someone along the lines of Colgate, Charleston or Vermont in the first round -- watch out. All 3 play a style that we have shown to have a difficult time with.
bear2be2
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DanaDane said:

We gave up just as many offensive rebounds to Ok State. They just couldn't hit the broad side of a barn with their team full of clankers or they could have easily won 2 weeks ago too. People can keep trying to sweep the dust under the carpet and pretend this is a one time event. It isn't. Instead of gradually getting better during the course of the season, there are many arguments to make that it got much worse toward the end. That's particularly disconcerting when you also have no visible, fiery player to serve as an on-court leader.

Teams that go far in the NCAA tournament are almost always teams that value possessions. That is one of the greatest flaws with this team. And, you certainly can't do that when you're not really a good rebounding squad to begin with. If we get the right match up in game 1 and maybe the R32 game, we can advance. If we get someone along the lines of Colgate, Charleston or Vermont in the first round -- watch out. All 3 play a style that we have shown to have a difficult time with.
Like I said in another thread, I think I've had a pretty good handle on this team since the Marquette game. All the things I said about this bunch after that one still hold true for the most part.

I got roped in a couple of times to believing maybe we had turned a corner, but we're the same soft finesse team we've been literally all season.

We're capable of beating good teams when we play well because we are very talented at the guard position. But those guys don't always show up, and when things go sideways, they tend to go really sideways.
ScottS
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One silver lining to all of this is we've gotten our losing out of the way.
Quinton
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They will win round 1.. I think. After that crap shoot as the team isn't nearly as tough as previous years. Failed the mettle test today with terrible display of defense and rebounding.

Hopefully we run into good teams that aren't as physical as the big 12 and the team look surprisingly good. Possible but anyone pretending to know either way is making it up.
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bear2be2 said:

CST Bear said:

I've told myself many times that Bridges was the key to this team. Never would I thought he could nearly score 30 and we'd lose.

But then we basically failed to rebound on both ends the entire day. We would absolutely lose to a 15, 14, 13 seed in the tourney with those numbers.
There aren't many 13-15 seeds (there may not even be one) with the dudes to outrebound us that way. I don't worry too much about us losing in the first round. But anyone we play in the second round will be talented enough to beat us -- particularly if we play the way we have for most of the last six games.


This year has some Georgia State potential
Stefano DiMera
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I was confident we'd win today..and we did play better in spurts..but I'm tired of the tired excuse...we had 4 days off before this game..we've all played the same 18 grueling conference games so no excuses.
Hotsauce
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My future outlook hinges on the status of LL.
LIB,MR BEARS
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ScottS said:

One silver lining to all of this is we've gotten our losing out of the way.
and Thamba and JTT got their zero rebound days out of the way

Josh Ojianwuna matched the other bigs in rebounding and never pulled his warmups off.
Johnny Bear
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CST Bear said:

I've told myself many times that Bridges was the key to this team. Never would I thought he could nearly score 30 and we'd lose.


If anyone needed serious confirmation that a sure fire way to win against us is to make somebody besides our starting guards beat them, today was it. Bridges played the game of his dreams and we still lost.
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BluesBear said:

Calm down......Very tired legs.... I like our chances heading into the REAL tournament....
No inside presence, lohner is absolutely horrible and we need a power forward, thamba soft as Pudding
RD2WINAGNBEAR86
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Time to let our balls drop. Win or go home. Gotta love March Madness!!!
"Never underestimate Joe's ability to **** things up!"

-- Barack Obama
SIC EM 94
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BluesBear said:

Calm down......Very tired legs.... I like our chances heading into the REAL tournament....

BS…tell us something this Baylor team has dealt with that every other team in college basketball hasn't had to face?
Fatherbear
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I feel like the way we play man D hurts our rebounding too much. I watch our 5s chase guards 30 feet from the basket and we wonder why we can't rebound or why the drive & dish works every time? A couple weeks ago K-State made 6 shots outside the paint in a victory against us. SIX!!! At some point we need to zone up, and if they are hot from behind the arc, then we are in a shooting contest (and I like our chances). But everyone can make 25 lay-ups every game.

This team works hard and hustles every game. We are a little "soft", but that's different than effort. Let's put our boys in a better spot to block out or help in the paint. We have great scorers, but not good enough make up for all the extra possessions we allow.
BluesBear
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SIC EM 94 said:

BluesBear said:

Calm down......Very tired legs.... I like our chances heading into the REAL tournament....

BS…tell us something this Baylor team has dealt with that every other team in college basketball hasn't had to face?
"every" team in CB has faced the same thing that Baylor has? Wow, I didn't realize that....the people most upset about the early departure from the Big12 tournament are likely the people who spent all this money traveling to KC for the games.

Calling anyone else who played the #1 or #2 guard in College to not dismiss tired legs - - when you shoot as much as we do, it catches up to you at some point. with ZERO inside presence, there is even more pressure on the guards to play at a high level all the time. they will be ready to roll next weekend.
historian
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As investment firms like to say, past performance does not predict future performance (or something like it). One would think it would with athletics but we all know that's not always the case. During the tournament anything can happen. That's why they call it "March Madness."

Although extremely unlikely, we could still win it all. I still expect us to get to the Sweet 16.
“Incline my heart to your testimonies, and not to selfish gain!”
Psalm 119:36
bear2be2
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historian said:

As investment firms like to say, past performance does not predict future performance (or something like it). One would think it would with athletics but we all know that's not always the case. During the tournament anything can happen. That's why they call it "March Madness."

Although extremely unlikely, we could still win it all. I still expect us to get to the Sweet 16.
This team has no chance of winning it all. We're currently ranked 100th in the nation in adjusted defensive efficiency. That's a bad, bad number for a top three seed.

We have the worst defense of anyone ranked in the top 30 in the KenPom ratings and we have the sixth-worst defense of anyone in the top 50. The only tournament teams outside of that list will be minor conference auto-qualifiers.
historian
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Good point. It did not realize that number had dropped that much. I'd say we have virtually no chance of getting to Houston.
“Incline my heart to your testimonies, and not to selfish gain!”
Psalm 119:36
SIC EM 94
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Baylor has nobody to blame but ourselves then if that's the case. You build a team that has zero inside presence, then any "tired legs" is self inflicted.
IowaBear
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We need to go back to having some resemblance of post play. There's nothing wrong with having a big on the floor who can do more than set a screen (Flo). We can be a guard oriented squad and still have a big (bigs) who can score Inside.
bear2be2
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IowaBear said:

We need to go back to having some resemblance of post play. There's nothing wrong with having a big on the floor who can do more than set a screen (Flo). We can be a guard oriented squad and still have a big (bigs) who can score Inside.
The question you have to ask, though, is why would a talented offensive big want to come play in this system? We haven't featured a power forward or post in our offense since Jonathan Motley, and that was six years ago now.

We want our big men to set good screens, score some off the pick-and-roll and putbacks and play good defense. It's hard to find dynamic post players that want their roles limited to those things.

Edit: Jo Acuil got over 11 shots per game in 2017-18. But no post player since him has been in the top three in field goal attempts per game. Tristan Clark had a great junior year, but he was more efficient than featured as an offensive player. Same with Freddie as a senior.
IowaBear
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I don't necessarily think you have to feature a big by any means. But what we have now in the post isn't cutting it.Miami comes to mind as a great example. A guard heavy scheme behind the 3 headed guard combo of Wong, Pack, and Miller. Yet their MVP is the do everything PF Omier. I'd have to look but I'd imagine he's at best 4th in the team in FG attempts.
bear2be2
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IowaBear said:

I don't necessarily think you have to feature a big by any means. But what we have now in the post isn't cutting it.Miami comes to mind as a great example. A guard heavy scheme behind the 3 headed guard combo of Wong, Pack, and Miller. Yet their MVP is the do everything PF Omier. I'd have to look but I'd imagine he's at best 4th in the team in FG attempts.
You're not going to attract talented offensive bigs as long as their role remains as currently defined. You're going to attract projects, which is basically all we've had since Acuil.

And Miami's probably not a great team to emulate this year because they're just a worse version of us. Good offense, dreadful defense.
EvilTroyAndAbed
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The thing about Drew is if he gets a talented big, he'll get him involved offensively. He's always adjusted the offense to whatever the team's strength is.

What is Yves Messi? Isn't he a post player?
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