Bronny James collapsed on the court Monday and had a cardiac arrest

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gobears20
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Jorkel
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Boy that would be scary
fubar
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All-American?
historian
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Very sad. Gotta feel for his family. They need our prayers.
“Incline my heart to your testimonies, and not to selfish gain!”
Psalm 119:36
Fre3dombear
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fubar said:

All-American?


Yeah that was very confusing. I guess they meant MCD AA

CraY how many these young people collapsing and dying suddenly.

Some will never believe how duped they were

T&p
fubar
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He's dead?

I've missed a bunch of stuff here.
historian
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No, the reports I've seen are that he is doing ok. I think the issue is that there have been far too many deaths in the last couple years of young people, particularly athletes. At that age they shouldn't be having serious heart issues, not of the life-threatening variety.
“Incline my heart to your testimonies, and not to selfish gain!”
Psalm 119:36
Fre3dombear
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fubar said:

He's dead?

I've missed a bunch of stuff here.


No he collapsed and had a heart attack / cardiac arrest
Stefano DiMera
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High school and college athletes have been dropping dead every year for the past 50 years.. especially football players during summer camp..there has been no marked increase in last couple years since i know youre referencing vaccines.
Media Bear
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fubar said:

All-American?
Dude just got there ...
What is, is.
What was, will be.
What will be WAS, but will be again.
joseywales
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Its been happening for decades, as sk your heart dr. I have two close friends who refused to be "duped" SD you say and they both died of covid. Sometimes the ignorance of people amazed me. Stfu
TXBEAR_bf
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Not saying you are wrong or right, but do you have data to support that comment? As it relates to the vaccine, there has been data to support the risk of myocarditis in young males. Has that lead to death? I don't think there has been enough evidence to support or deny that claim. Has that data been suppressed in any way, possibly. Have there been headlines regarding higher level of unexplained deaths post pandemic , yes. I worked in the pharma industry for a decade. There were a number of experts I spoke to that did not get the vaccine due to a lack of evidence supporting taking it, people way closer to the situation than your average American. Not responding to have a vaccine debate. But it pisses me off when someone says there is not difference in numbers and has zero proof to support it. on either side of the discussion, and that is what you did. Stop making claims without providing proof. I personally know someone that lost a child post vaccine, they believe it lead to their death and I unfortunately believe them.
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Stefano DiMera
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Of course there may be people who died because of vaccine. Just like there are people who have died from a penicillin shot .or had a bad reaction to anesthesia in a surgery.

People have a very very poor understanding of statistics and the laws of large numbers as it relates to probability.

Young high school and college athletes have been dropping dead for YEARS in basketball and football for various heart related issues.. mostly genetic..I don't have to provide research because that's common knowledge.

A simple Google search shows over 2500 high school players die every year from cardiac events. That's preCovid. If there is some study that shows the vaccine has significantly changed that number statistically id certainly entertain it.
TXBEAR_bf
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"there has been no marked increase in last couple years since i know youre referencing vaccines."
"If there is some study that shows the vaccine has significantly changed that number statistically id certainly entertain it."
You claim that there has been no marked increase and then follow that up with the idea that I should supply a source to either confirm or deny your claim.
Good rule of thumb, if you don't know, don't say that you know, pretty simple way to live life.
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Stefano DiMera
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Would it be better if I had started my sentence off with 'As far as I know'.

And no..I asked you for something to support YOUR assertion. I provided a statistic that has occurred over an extended length of time. So I just asked other than anecdotal cases is there something that shows that post COVID or post vaccine that the 2500 number has increased.
TXBEAR_bf
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Yep, prob would help your cause.

Go back and read our exchange, I never questioned how many athletes die, you said a number, I never debated that. You said there was no increase. Unless you have something to show that to be the case you are misleading people, it's really just that simple.

Done with the exchange, but appreciate any intel you find to substantiate your claim that numbers have not increased, that would be great news considering the consternation many feel about the vaccine and alleged link to health issues.

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Chuckroast
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Here's an article link from January 2023. If you scroll down a bit, it gives information regarding an exponential increase in cardiac arrest in the European "football" leagues:

https://www.biznews.com/health/2023/01/16/sudden-death-athletes

Just some potential evidence to consider
EvilTroyAndAbed
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Chuckroast said:

Here's an article link from January 2023. If you scroll down a bit, it gives information regarding an exponential increase in cardiac arrest in the European "football" leagues:

https://www.biznews.com/health/2023/01/16/sudden-death-athletes

Just some potential evidence to consider
That's written with such bias. I appreciate stats, but when your opening paragraph contains the words "with the introduction of the grossly glorified mRNA COVID-19 vaccines," I'm not going to believe that you are approaching the subject with any objectivity.
EvilTroyAndAbed
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TXBEAR_bf said:

Yep, prob would help your cause.

Go back and read our exchange, I never questioned how many athletes die, you said a number, I never debated that. You said there was no increase. Unless you have something to show that to be the case you are misleading people, it's really just that simple.

Done with the exchange, but appreciate any intel you find to substantiate your claim that numbers have not increased, that would be great news considering the consternation many feel about the vaccine and alleged link to health issues.


Here's a 2016 study
https://www.jacc.org/doi/10.1016/j.jacc.2016.03.527?articleid=2513587#bib15

A 2015 study
https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/full/10.1161/CIRCULATIONAHA.115.015431

A 2021 study about vaccines and myocarditis, resulting in events among vaccinated athletes occurring at a .005 percent. That's 5/100ths of 1 percent.
https://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj-2021-068665.long

A 2022 study that showed about 4 percent of myocarditis in athletes recovering from COVID, not the vaccine.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8998516/
Chuckroast
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EvilTroyAndAbed said:

Chuckroast said:

Here's an article link from January 2023. If you scroll down a bit, it gives information regarding an exponential increase in cardiac arrest in the European "football" leagues:

https://www.biznews.com/health/2023/01/16/sudden-death-athletes

Just some potential evidence to consider
That's written with such bias. I appreciate stats, but when your opening paragraph contains the words "with the introduction of the grossly glorified mRNA COVID-19 vaccines," I'm not going to believe that you are approaching the subject with any objectivity.


I understand that, but unless they're lying about the numbers, it's definitely food for thought. The article went to great links not to conclude there was definitive causation. Before Covid, Peter McCullough (cited in the article) was a well respected and extensively published cardiologist who had testified as a medical expert before Congress. Once he began questioning the CDC Covid narratives during the pandemic, it's amazing how fast he became a medical pariah.
Chuckroast
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EvilTroyAndAbed said:

Chuckroast said:

Here's an article link from January 2023. If you scroll down a bit, it gives information regarding an exponential increase in cardiac arrest in the European "football" leagues:

https://www.biznews.com/health/2023/01/16/sudden-death-athletes

Just some potential evidence to consider
That's written with such bias. I appreciate stats, but when your opening paragraph contains the words "with the introduction of the grossly glorified mRNA COVID-19 vaccines," I'm not going to believe that you are approaching the subject with any objectivity.


the censorship of Covid narrative skepticism by big tech at the behest of our government is also provable, so there is clear bias on all sides.
Chuckroast
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Another recent article indicating heart issues more prevalent after vaccine and Covid infection. https://philmaffetone.com/researchers-find-dramatic-increase-of-sudden-cardiac-death-following-covid-19-infection-and-or-vaccination/

And also names several countries that have suspended a second round of vaccines for adolescents because of the heart risk.
Fre3dombear
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joseywales said:

Its been happening for decades, as sk your heart dr. I have two close friends who refused to be "duped" SD you say and they both died of covid. Sometimes the ignorance of people amazed me. Stfu


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BluesBear
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Stefano DiMera said:

High school and college athletes have been dropping dead every year for the past 50 years.. especially football players during summer camp..there has been no marked increase in last couple years since i know youre referencing vaccines.
You must not read/watch much outside of the MSM
Mitch Blood Green
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Media Bear said:

fubar said:

All-American?
Dude just got there ...


McDonald's
Media Bear
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Mitch Blood Green said:

Media Bear said:

fubar said:

All-American?
Dude just got there ...


McDonald's


If I were him, Id avoid that place for now his heart condition bein' what it is …
What is, is.
What was, will be.
What will be WAS, but will be again.
Mitch Blood Green
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Media Bear said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

Media Bear said:

fubar said:

All-American?
Dude just got there ...


McDonald's


If I were him, Id avoid that place for now his heart condition bein' what it is …


Funny
Fre3dombear
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I wonder if he and that nfl DB will play again
BusyTarpDuster2017
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Apparently, the two best ways to get liberals to shut up and not ask any questions are 1) have a cardiac arrest, and 2) leave cocaine at the White House.
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