How BYU fans viewed their loss to Baylor

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From the Cougs Daily fanboard:


BYU's Mark Pope Breaks Water Bottle in Frustration Near End of Loss to Baylor


Pope broke the water bottle after a questionable call sealed BYU's fate

After leading by as many as nine points towards the start of the second half, no. 18 BYU stumbled to a 81-72 loss to no. 14 Baylor. It was the second time in as many conference games that BYU has given up a second-half lead. BYU head coach Mark Pope was frustrated. His team was forcing possessions down the stretch, leading to turnovers. The referees weren't doing the Cougars any favors either. In fact, the top-20 showdown that was otherwise very competitive was partially overshadowed by the referees.

In 40 minutes of game play, the referees called 39 minutes. There were bad calls on both teams and the flow of the game was constantly disrupted by whistles. 24 of the 39 fouls were called on BYU, leading to a 28-14 free throw discrepancy in favor of the Bears. BYU was called for 14 fouls in the second half. The last foul, which was one of the multiple questionable calls of the night, was too much for Mark Pope to handle. After the foul, Pope picked up a water bottle and smashed it on the score's table, sending water everywhere.

Pope was called for a technical foul. His expression of frustration was captured by the ESPN+ broadcast.
After the game, Pope was asked why BYU struggled to keep Baylor off the free throw line. "I'd love to give you the answer I really think," Pope replied. "But I won't."

BYU radio analyst Mark Durrant, who was in the make-shift splash zone, posted a picture of the smashed water bottle after the game.

The referees did BYU no favors, sure. The free throw discrepancy was too much to overcome in the second half. There are, however, a few recurring problems that BYU is going to have to fix to start winning games in conference play.

Turnovers, which plagued BYU last season, have become a problem in conference play. When BYU has played long, athletic teams this season, turnovers have been a consistent issue. Baylor had 18 points off 14 BYU turnovers, and BYU only had 4 points off 5 Baylor turnovers.

Three-point shooting from everyone not named Trevin Knell is a concern. BYU's calling-card has been shooting a lot of threes and making a lot of threes. Excluding Trevin Knell, BYU is shooting 19.6% from deep. BYU won't beat many Big 12 teams with athleticism - they have to beat teams by taking care of the basketball and hitting shots.

Saturday's game at UCF is suddenly very important. BYU will look to bounce back against the Knights for its first Big 12 victory.

BearFan33
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Welcome to the B12 BYU.
whitetrash
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The best way to avoid a FT discrepancy is to not commit considerably more fouls than your opponent.
GoodOleBaylorLine
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That's actually a pretty fair write up. The officiating was not great either way.
BearlyBeloved
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whitetrash said:

The best way to avoid a FT discrepancy is to not commit considerably more fouls than your opponent.
Give credit to our Bears for taking advantage, hitting 75% (21 of 28 free throws). You've got to cash in when you're fouled, and the Bears did so.
BearFan33
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whitetrash said:

The best way to avoid a FT discrepancy is to not commit considerably more fouls than your opponent.
I think the refs could have called 5 more fouls on us and at least 10-15 more on BYU. They were mugging us often.
ScottS
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I enjoyed seeing him break the water bottle
chorne68
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BYU plays a hard nose defense. In doing that you foul a lot. That is the reason for the number of fouls vs Baylor. Choose your poison...play loose and give up more points or hard nose defense and give up more free throughs.
TXBEAR_bf
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There were 3 specific calls where we were called on their post trying to get position that were really ticky tack calls, 2 against Yves and one maybe two against Josh. You have to allow for some contact in the post, that's just how the game is played down there. It was not excessive at all. Commentators even said as much in the Yves call.
Bridges might have traveled on that trap at mid court but he was surrounded by three guys, all he had to do is move his arms with the ball and you are going to get a foul call every time with that many guys around you.
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JP1037
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BearFan33 said:

whitetrash said:

The best way to avoid a FT discrepancy is to not commit considerably more fouls than your opponent.
I think the refs could have called 5 more fouls on us and at least 10-15 more on BYU. They were mugging us often.
This, that is exactly right. I was at the game with a good angle and they were bumping and grabbing and pushing and nudging. It was clearly their intention to be physical. Fine and good but there is a price to pay for that if the officials are going by the rules.
bear2be2
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chorne68 said:

BYU plays a hard nose defense. In doing that you foul a lot. That is the reason for the number of fouls vs Baylor. Choose your poison...play loose and give up more points or hard nose defense and give up more free throughs.
They also lead the nation in 3-pointers attempted. You're not going to get a ton of free throws shooting jump shots.
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GoodOleBaylorLine said:

That's actually a pretty fair write up. The officiating was not great either way.
not great either way, yes. But BYU's style of play is to play overly physical and hope that you don't get called. Quite honestly, I think BYU could have had many more whistles. Sure there were a few bad calls, on both sides, but the refs let quite a bit slide that I don't think would happen with a non B12 ref squad.
DanaDane
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I always wonder if people who think both teams should have the same number of FTs in a basketball game have ever actually played the game before, even in their own backyard.
CorsicanaBear
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Mostly at a very steep angle.
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vanillabryce
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I like the way BYU plays defense, but our guards are quicker and you're gonna foul in that scenario.

I recall two horrific calls on Missi. Also, they let Knell get away with a lot of shoving when he got caught in switches v Missi and Josh O.

ABC BEAR
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DanaDane said:

I always wonder if people who think both teams should have the same number of FTs in a basketball game have ever actually played the game before, even in their own backyard.
It's the age of equity & equality of outcomes.
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ScottS said:

I enjoyed seeing him break the water bottle
Next time he's in town he can break wind on the scorer's table.
Fre3dombear
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1) uhhhh maybe don't turn it over 3x your opponent

2) hahahahahahahh. Hahahahaha. Hahahahahaha. Wait till you play at Kansas and tech
historian
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And K State. Heck, W Virginia could give them some gifs after several games in the nation's best league. K State too.
“Incline my heart to your testimonies, and not to selfish gain!”
Psalm 119:36
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BearFan33 said:

Welcome to the B12 BYU.
If they were unhappy with the calls Tuesday night, wait till they play Kansas...
Chamberman
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OP isn't a representative of how BYU fans viewed their loss, but one fan.
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