Maybe they could go back to the old force out rules. Possession awarded to team that was forced out with no personal foul call.

I didn't think the refs would award the ball to ISU when seeing the missed foul created the out of bounds. I was surprised they called it "right". This and some other calls that were made in that game need to be talked about by the rules committee in the off season.

When the refs know they made a bad call, my fear is they try to make up for it by making some calls they wouldn't ordinarily make. That's a slippery slope. In this instance it seems the fair thing to do was to give the ball back to Baylor. The "correct" call would be to call the foul and put Baylor at the line, if they were in the bonus at that time.

I also thought the shot clock operator really screwed up the end game. I'm not sure how you fix that kind of mistake. One could argue both sides of who gained an advantage by the mistake. In the end it worked out for Baylor, but if that situation resulted in a couple tenths more on the clock, it may have allowed Iowa State to get the shot off. And the stoppage did give Iowa State the ball further up the court which probably helped get a better look.

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I didn't think the refs would award the ball to ISU when seeing the missed foul created the out of bounds. I was surprised they called it "right". This and some other calls that were made in that game need to be talked about by the rules committee in the off season.

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Under the current rules they had no choice, even if they wanted to, to give the ball to Baylor. We clearly touched the ball last. That is the only thing that could be reviewed. The fact loss of the ball was caused by a non-called foul can't be corrected under the current rules.

blackie said:

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Psyclone said:

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I didn't think the refs would award the ball to ISU when seeing the missed foul created the out of bounds. I was surprised they called it "right". This and some other calls that were made in that game need to be talked about by the rules committee in the off season.

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Under the current rules they had no choice, even if they wanted to, to give the ball to Baylor. We clearly touched the ball last. That is the only thing that could be reviewed. The fact loss of the ball was caused by a non-called foul can't be corrected under the current rules.

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They could have just said "insufficient evidence" though. It would have been obvious what they did but it would also have been clearly the right thing to do

blackie said:

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Psyclone said:

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I didn't think the refs would award the ball to ISU when seeing the missed foul created the out of bounds. I was surprised they called it "right". This and some other calls that were made in that game need to be talked about by the rules committee in the off season.

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Under the current rules they had no choice, even if they wanted to, to give the ball to Baylor. We clearly touched the ball last. That is the only thing that could be reviewed. The fact loss of the ball was caused by a non-called foul can't be corrected under the current rules.

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I understand that they made the "right" call under the circumstances. But I wasn't sure if they would make that call and instead justify letting the play stand as called.

The motivating factor was probably that these guys are reviewed for every call (if it's the same as football) and the ref would get 'dinged" if he didn't give Iowa State the ball in that case. He was probably already going to get dinged for blowing the call in the first place. Maybe making a judgement mistake in real time carries less of a penalty for those reviewing these guys.

Since the use of video review in basketball, this has been an interesting dilemma. I always considered it an unwritten rule of basketball that when a player reaches or commits a touch foul the ref chooses to not call (because these happen constantly) and the ball goes out of bounds, the ref always gives the ball to the offense because the "foul" is what caused it. It's been going on for so long, refs do it out of instinct. Obviously, with video replay, they can't then add a foul (under the current rules) and they also can't ignore the fact of who the ball actually went off of as the video is being replayed on slo-mo to thousands of fans. Not really sure what the best solution is to be honest.

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blackie said:

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Psyclone said:

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I didn't think the refs would award the ball to ISU when seeing the missed foul created the out of bounds. I was surprised they called it "right". This and some other calls that were made in that game need to be talked about by the rules committee in the off season.

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Under the current rules they had no choice, even if they wanted to, to give the ball to Baylor. We clearly touched the ball last. That is the only thing that could be reviewed. The fact loss of the ball was caused by a non-called foul can't be corrected under the current rules.

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I understand that they made the "right" call under the circumstances. But I wasn't sure if they would make that call and instead justify letting the play stand as called.

The motivating factor was probably that these guys are reviewed for every call (if it's the same as football) and the ref would get 'dinged" if he didn't give Iowa State the ball in that case. He was probably already going to get dinged for blowing the call in the first place. Maybe making a judgement mistake in real time carries less of a penalty for those reviewing these guys.

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With the amount of "dings" this crew earned they made a demolition derby car look mint.