Agree. I think there is a place for him with certain matchups. I do think he is one of those players that likely are better offensively in practice than what we see in games, probably a confidence thing. He has a nice stroke from 3, but just hasn't been able to get it to fall. He has made some pretty bone headed plays in the past when trying to do too much, but seems like he is playing more conservatively of late. Would like to see him get some good late minutes if we are up; obviously rare in Big 12 play.
I can't remember, is he back next year?

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Been impressed with Lohner the last few games. Doesn't fill up the box score, but it seems like he has really embraced his role and plays in total control of that role. He does a lot of little things that I think positively impact winning. He doesn't turn the ball over, hustle's back on defense, and is an extremely effective rebounder for the limited minutes that he plays.

Does he get beat by his man occasionally or get caught out of position sometimes? Sure. Is he a scoring threat? No. But it seems to me that in his limited minutes this season he finds a way to make 2-3 plays a game that positively impact winning. There have been a few times where he has snagged critical offensive rebounds at opportune moments.

I was disappointed with his performance last season, but have been pleasantly surprised with his development this year.

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Isn't as much an auto TO as he was last year. Won us an NCAA tourney game almost single handedly

Larry Lohner continues to improve, that's all you can ask for.

guadalupeoso said:

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Been impressed with Lohner the last few games. Doesn't fill up the box score, but it seems like he has really embraced his role and plays in total control of that role. He does a lot of little things that I think positively impact winning. He doesn't turn the ball over, hustle's back on defense, and is an extremely effective rebounder for the limited minutes that he plays.

Does he get beat by his man occasionally or get caught out of position sometimes? Sure. Is he a scoring threat? No. But it seems to me that in his limited minutes this season he finds a way to make 2-3 plays a game that positively impact winning. There have been a few times where he has snagged critical offensive rebounds at opportune moments.

I was disappointed with his performance last season, but have been pleasantly surprised with his development this year.

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He is a wasted scholarship.This team needed a big time player from the portal in that spot. He has made less mistakes and gets some give me rebounds however at a top 5 program in the country well he ain't it. He would be better served going somewhere he could play fulltime. Hope he proves me wrong I root for him to do well cause this team needs him to reach a higher level.

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That's not how roster construction works.

You expect everyone to be all Big 12?

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I don't want to pile on Lohner, who has been OK in his extremely limited role the last few games. But you don't take a transfer and tie up a scholarship for 5 1/2 minutes a game, which is what he's averaged in league play this year.

Lohner has been a bust for what we expected and needed him to be the last two years. He's settled into a niche as a deep-bench energy guy. But no one can honestly say that's what we thought we were getting when we took him.

This thread has been open over 24 hours and no one has said he is the next Vital!? Shocking.

I was in a dudes office the other day who apparently thought so highly of Lohner, he has a small bust made of him.

He must hang on his every play though. It seems for every bad play , he has stabbed the bust on the back with a pen

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Larry Lohner continues to improve, that's all you can ask for.

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"Larry"?

Baylor does not have a top 5 program now. Replacing Lohner with someone like Cryer might get us there but it might not. If we keep playing the way we have the last week or do then we might get there with Lohner although I don't expect him to be a major reason.

I once compared him to Vital in another thread and some people got their knickers tied up in knots although I was very clear that I thought he was doing some of the same things (rebounding, ball hustle, etc) but not at the same level. If he could give us Mark Vital levels of production he would have more minutes & we might be undefeated or at least have fewer losses. If he gave us half of what Mark gave us we would probably have half as many losses! That's easy to say because so many of those losses are by one possession.

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MrGolfguy said:

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Larry Lohner continues to improve, that's all you can ask for.

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"Larry"?

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He wears #33 because he's a Larry Bird fan; so I thought Larry Lohner was a fitting nickname.

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joseywales said:

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He is a wasted scholarship.

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Apparently you feel that all scholarship players need to average 10 pts and 5 rebounds, and otherwise it is a wasted scholarship. All rosters include starters and stars, roll players (like Lohner), and developmental players. Of course, some of those players don't pan out. I think Caleb is doing a very good job in his roll, which is at times to add length to the zone, or to give Bridges a breather. To say he is a wasted scholarship is nonsense. He is doing exactly what we ask of him, and I am appreciative he is a Bear.

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Calling Lohner a role player is a stretch. He's a played four or fewer minutes in six of our 11 conference games with three total field goals. He's played as many as 10 minutes only twice in Big 12 play, and one of those was in a triple OT game.

Lohner is one of two healthy forwards on our roster and he can barely even get on the court because he's been so limited.

We did not recruit Lohner to be the last guy off the bench. He just hasn't been good enough to be anything more than that. He was a recruiting miss. Plain and simple.

Ahhh!
Thanks

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guadalupeoso said:

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Been impressed with Lohner the last few games. Doesn't fill up the box score, but it seems like he has really embraced his role and plays in total control of that role. He does a lot of little things that I think positively impact winning. He doesn't turn the ball over, hustle's back on defense, and is an extremely effective rebounder for the limited minutes that he plays.

Does he get beat by his man occasionally or get caught out of position sometimes? Sure. Is he a scoring threat? No. But it seems to me that in his limited minutes this season he finds a way to make 2-3 plays a game that positively impact winning. There have been a few times where he has snagged critical offensive rebounds at opportune moments.

I was disappointed with his performance last season, but have been pleasantly surprised with his development this year.

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He is a wasted scholarship.This team needed a big time player from the portal in that spot. He has made less mistakes and gets some give me rebounds however at a top 5 program in the country well he ain't it. He would be better served going somewhere he could play fulltime. Hope he proves me wrong I root for him to do well cause this team needs him to reach a higher level.

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Guess you really hate the Austin Sacks scholly?

I like Lohner now and last year. He rebounds and adds a physical element we need.

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Sacks was given a scholarship because he's a senior and we had an extra/unused one. It was going to no one at the time and we'll get it right back next year.

That's not the same thing as Lohner, who a) was recruited to be a legitimate rotation player and b) could tie his scholarship up for three years without ever making a significant contribution to the team.

Those pretending that he's the player we thought we were getting when we recruited him are living in fantasy land. I'm sure he's a good locker room guy, and he gives effort. But he's basically a walk-on caliber player in the Big 12, and that's a problem.

100% agreed. Lohner is tying up a roster spot the same way Loveday and Jordan Turner did, for multiple seasons in a row with no tangible benefit on the court. I am sure he is a good person and I do see the value in having locker room guys and practice guys, but we really needed him to add a physical defensive presence and be a key rotation guy / starter and he was unable provide what was needed. His basketball IQ and situational awareness are just too low to allow him to ever step outside of his limited bench role.

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JP1037 said:

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joseywales said:

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guadalupeoso said:

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Been impressed with Lohner the last few games. Doesn't fill up the box score, but it seems like he has really embraced his role and plays in total control of that role. He does a lot of little things that I think positively impact winning. He doesn't turn the ball over, hustle's back on defense, and is an extremely effective rebounder for the limited minutes that he plays.

Does he get beat by his man occasionally or get caught out of position sometimes? Sure. Is he a scoring threat? No. But it seems to me that in his limited minutes this season he finds a way to make 2-3 plays a game that positively impact winning. There have been a few times where he has snagged critical offensive rebounds at opportune moments.

I was disappointed with his performance last season, but have been pleasantly surprised with his development this year.

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He is a wasted scholarship.This team needed a big time player from the portal in that spot. He has made less mistakes and gets some give me rebounds however at a top 5 program in the country well he ain't it. He would be better served going somewhere he could play fulltime. Hope he proves me wrong I root for him to do well cause this team needs him to reach a higher level.

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Guess you really hate the Austin Sacks scholly?

I like Lohner now and last year. He rebounds and adds a physical element we need.

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Sacks was given a scholarship because he's a senior and we had an extra/unused one. It was going to no one at the time and we'll get it right back next year.

That's not the same thing as Lohner, who a) was recruited to be a legitimate rotation player and b) could tie his scholarship up for three years without ever making a significant contribution to the team.

Those pretending that he's the player we thought we were getting when we recruited him are living in fantasy land. I'm sure he's a good locker room guy, and he gives effort. But he's basically a walk-on caliber player in the Big 12, and that's a problem.

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Nonsense. Not even worth discussing.

No one is saying we didn't expect more from Lohner..if course we did..but to say he's a wasted scholarship is idiotic.. and he is a rotation guy..he's like the 7th or 8th guy off the bench who brings energy and effort on the glass and long arms in the zone.

I'm not sure what more you can expect from an 8th man in the rotation...and if you were expecting him to be a 10/5 guy when he got here your expectations were out of whack. I saw nothing in his BYU career to expect that coming to this league.

Is JaKobe a wasted scholarship too?

Stefano DiMera said:

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No one is saying we didn't expect more from Lohner..if course we did..but to say he's a wasted scholarship is idiotic.. and he is a rotation guy..he's like the 7th or 8th guy off the bench who brings energy and effort on the glass and long arms in the zone.

I'm not sure what more you can expect from an 8th man in the rotation...and if you were expecting him to be a 10/5 guy when he got here your expectations were out of whack. I saw nothing in his BYU career to expect that coming to this league.

Is JaKobe a wasted scholarship too?

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He's not a rotation guy.

He's a replacement player, who would be averaging less than four minutes a game if Love was available.

That's a giant recruiting bust, and to compare him to Walter, who plays 25-plus minutes and contributes in a variety of ways is utterly absurd.

JP1037 said:

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I like Lohner now and last year. He rebounds and adds a physical element we need.

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I like that we can see signs of improvement. I hope his progression continues & even accelerates.

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JP1037 said:

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I like Lohner now and last year. He rebounds and adds a physical element we need.

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I like that we can see signs of improvement. I hope his progression continues & even accelerates.

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He's a fourth-year player who went from averaging 7 and 7 in almost 24 minutes as a freshman at BYU to averaging 2.4 and 2.4 in less than 10 minutes per game as a senior -- and much worse in Big 12 play.

He's not making quite as many mistakes this year and he's good for a hustle play here and there. But I'm not sure he's earned a thread on his improvement or the level of defense some are offering in regards to his career contributions -- especially at Baylor.

The guy is the definition of a replacement level player.

bear2be2 said:

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historian said:

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JP1037 said:

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I like Lohner now and last year. He rebounds and adds a physical element we need.

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I like that we can see signs of improvement. I hope his progression continues & even accelerates.

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He's a fourth-year player who went from averaging 7 and 7 in almost 24 minutes as a freshman at BYU to averaging 2.4 and 2.4 in less than 10 minutes per game as a senior -- and much worse in Big 12 play.

He's not making quite as many mistakes this year and he's good for a hustle play here and there. But I'm not sure he's earned a thread on his improvement or the level of defense some are offering in regards to his career contributions -- especially at Baylor.

The guy is the definition of a replacement level player.

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Weren't you the same guy last week basically arguing that we should all not actually be that impressed with Yves Missi because he makes some freshman mistakes sometimes, despite the fact that almost everyone in the country is fawning over him and thinks he's a phenomenal talent who has exceeded expectations in nearly every way? Btw, since you took your stand, Missi has averaged 16 points and 5 rebounds over the last 4 games and hasn't even played 30 minutes in any single contest. I'm not sure you get to be the arbiter of "definition of a replacement level player."

Also, I don't remember anyone expecting Lohner to blow the doors off the program and become the next Mark Vital or even the next Terry Maston. I don't think it's a cardinal sin to acknowledge the fact that he seems to be doing exactly what is being asked of him by the program at this time which is to rebound, hustle, avoid turnovers, and maintain defensive position in the limited minutes he plays while our regular rotation guys get a breather.

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bear2be2 said:

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historian said:

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JP1037 said:

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I like Lohner now and last year. He rebounds and adds a physical element we need.

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I like that we can see signs of improvement. I hope his progression continues & even accelerates.

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He's a fourth-year player who went from averaging 7 and 7 in almost 24 minutes as a freshman at BYU to averaging 2.4 and 2.4 in less than 10 minutes per game as a senior -- and much worse in Big 12 play.

He's not making quite as many mistakes this year and he's good for a hustle play here and there. But I'm not sure he's earned a thread on his improvement or the level of defense some are offering in regards to his career contributions -- especially at Baylor.

The guy is the definition of a replacement level player.

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Are we seriously demanding that players have to "earn" a thread on a free message board? I think people here take themselves way too seriously when it comes to a fan's basketball knowledge.

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Yea, some folks need to touch grass every once in a while.

Lohner's role explained


Not sure how that emoji showed up, but anyway…

I appreciate what players like Lohner and for that matter Little do, but in our current state without Love, it hurts that 2 of our 3 bench rotation players provide basically zilch as far as any scoring goes. So far other than the KU game it hasn't impacted us much but I'm not sure how much of that is simply because we've played two straight teams we should beat even minus Love. Hopefully Love will return soon and remedy this, but it's hard to see how we can continue to get no scoring from the bench other than what Josh O contributes (which is unpredictable at best) and accomplish what we want to accomplish.