Went to the Jazz vs. Grizzlies game tonight. George didn't start but played 33 minutes. He scored 8 points. He was 3-15 from the field. He missed every 3 point shot he attempted. He had 3 layups, 2 free throws for his 8 points. He did have several assists but he cannot make a shot. He needed to stay 4 years to get better but unfortunately if he did that he would not get drafted. In year 2 of the NBA I see no improvement from his freshman year.
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Based on one game that you randomly attended? C'mon, dude.Smashmouth said:
Went to the Jazz vs. Grizzlies game tonight. George didn't start but played 33 minutes. He scored 8 points. He was 3-15 from the field. He missed every 3 point shot he attempted. He had 3 layups, 2 free throws for his 8 points. He did have several assists but he cannot make a shot. He needed to stay 4 years to get better but unfortunately if he did that he would not get drafted. In year 2 of the NBA I see no improvement from his freshman year.
1) The Jazz are tanking to try and get a shot at getting Cooper Flagg. He has minimal help, and his team isn't really interested in winning this year.
2) He's the leading assist man for the Jazz this season.
3) He's averaging 16.5 points per game, is a high usage player, and his numbers have improved in every single statistical category in his second season.
Why do our fans like ****ting on our former players? Saying he should have stayed for 4 years is just dumb, straight-up.
Smashmouth said:
Went to the Jazz vs. Grizzlies game tonight. George didn't start but played 33 minutes. He scored 8 points. He was 3-15 from the field. He missed every 3 point shot he attempted. He had 3 layups, 2 free throws for his 8 points. He did have several assists but he cannot make a shot. He needed to stay 4 years to get better but unfortunately if he did that he would not get drafted. In year 2 of the NBA I see no improvement from his freshman year.
He should have stayed 4 years? Nearly nobody who is NBA worthy stays 4 years.
The NBA has the top coaches and trainers in the world and as a professional athlete, the players can focus all of their time and efforts on being a professional athlete. These are some of the reasons why you see pretty good college players become unbelievably good once they enter the NBA. There are other factors at play as well, but these are the big ones that factor into that lead we see for a lot of players.
It may turn out Keyonte isn't as good as some people predicted him to be. Busts happen in every single draft and he may turn out to be a bust (I'm not saying he is on that trajectory, just saying it could happen). But none of that would have changed with 3 more years in college basketball. At some point, you either have "it" or you don't.
It may turn out Keyonte isn't as good as some people predicted him to be. Busts happen in every single draft and he may turn out to be a bust (I'm not saying he is on that trajectory, just saying it could happen). But none of that would have changed with 3 more years in college basketball. At some point, you either have "it" or you don't.
Mitch Henessey said:Based on one game that you randomly attended? C'mon, dude.Smashmouth said:
Went to the Jazz vs. Grizzlies game tonight. George didn't start but played 33 minutes. He scored 8 points. He was 3-15 from the field. He missed every 3 point shot he attempted. He had 3 layups, 2 free throws for his 8 points. He did have several assists but he cannot make a shot. He needed to stay 4 years to get better but unfortunately if he did that he would not get drafted. In year 2 of the NBA I see no improvement from his freshman year.
1) The Jazz are tanking to try and get a shot at getting Cooper Flagg. He has minimal help, and his team isn't really interested in winning this year.
2) He's the leading assist man for the Jazz this season.
3) He's averaging 16.5 points per game, is a high usage player, and his numbers have improved in every single statistical category in his second season.
Why do our fans like ****ting on our former players? Saying he should have stayed for 4 years is just dumb, straight-up.
Smashmouth said:Mitch Henessey said:Based on one game that you randomly attended? C'mon, dude.Smashmouth said:
Went to the Jazz vs. Grizzlies game tonight. George didn't start but played 33 minutes. He scored 8 points. He was 3-15 from the field. He missed every 3 point shot he attempted. He had 3 layups, 2 free throws for his 8 points. He did have several assists but he cannot make a shot. He needed to stay 4 years to get better but unfortunately if he did that he would not get drafted. In year 2 of the NBA I see no improvement from his freshman year.
1) The Jazz are tanking to try and get a shot at getting Cooper Flagg. He has minimal help, and his team isn't really interested in winning this year.
2) He's the leading assist man for the Jazz this season.
3) He's averaging 16.5 points per game, is a high usage player, and his numbers have improved in every single statistical category in his second season.
Why do our fans like ****ting on our former players? Saying he should have stayed for 4 years is just dumb, straight-up.
His field goal percentage was 39 last year and 38 this year so that's not improvement in every statistical category.
Keynote is a great name. May he grow up to lead his local chapter of Toastmasters.
It is a weird. Fans can criticize our roster construction and recruiting philosophy, but targeting individual players and spewing hatred is beyond cringe.
Is the keynote thing supposed to be derisive, or he never got his name right?Crawfoso1973 said:
It is a weird. Fans can criticize our roster construction and recruiting philosophy, but targeting individual players and spewing hatred is beyond cringe.
“No eye has seen, no ear has heard, and no mind has imagined what God has prepared for those who love Him.” 1 Corinthians 2:9
Most phones autocorrect Keyonte to Keynote. It just became a running gag because it happened so often.TWD 1974 said:Is the keynote thing supposed to be derisive, or he never got his name right?Crawfoso1973 said:
It is a weird. Fans can criticize our roster construction and recruiting philosophy, but targeting individual players and spewing hatred is beyond cringe.
Yup, poor Historian had a run of like 15 straight Keynotes when trying to reference Keyonte
bear2be2 said:Most phones autocorrect Keyonte to Keynote. It just became a running gag because it happened so often.TWD 1974 said:Is the keynote thing supposed to be derisive, or he never got his name right?Crawfoso1973 said:
It is a weird. Fans can criticize our roster construction and recruiting philosophy, but targeting individual players and spewing hatred is beyond cringe.
Thanks bear2be2. Definitely spell check. I have no hatred or anything for Keyonte George. I suggested he wasn't ready for the NBA after his freshman year and suggested he would have been better playing another year or two in college. I think the kid has lost his confidence and is definitely struggling to make any kind of shot other than a layup. Debate all you want but he needed another year or two in college. If the Jazz felt he was worthy of a first round pick then you go, I get it. I hope he does well but he won't be playing if he continues to shoot 38 %
this may be an unfair comparison but i wanted to crunch some numbers
Trae Young
2018-19 (Rookie Season)
2023-24 (Rookie Season)
Trae Young
2018-19 (Rookie Season)
- Points per game (PPG): 19.1
- Assists per game (APG): 8.1
- Rebounds per game (RPG): 3.7
- Field Goal Percentage (FG%): 41.8%
- Three-Point Percentage (3P%): 32.4%
- PPG: 29.6
- APG: 9.3
- RPG: 4.3
- FG%: 43.7%
- 3P%: 36.1%
- PPG: 25.3
- APG: 9.4
- RPG: 3.9
- FG%: 43.8%
- 3P%: 34.3%
- PPG: 28.4
- APG: 9.7
- RPG: 3.7
- FG%: 46.0%
- 3P%: 38.2%
- PPG: 26.2
- APG: 10.2
- RPG: 3.0
- FG%: 42.9%
- 3P%: 33.5%
- PPG: 25.7
- APG: 10.8
- RPG: 2.8
- FG%: 43.0%
- 3P%: 37.3%
- PPG: 22.9
- APG: 11.7
- RPG: 3.3
- FG%: 40.1%
- 3P%: 34.6%
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2023-24 (Rookie Season)
- PPG: 14.0
- APG: 4.9
- RPG: 3.0
- FG%: 38.9%
- 3P%: 33.6%
- PPG: 16.2
- APG: 5.8
- RPG: 3.5
- FG%: 38.4%
- 3P%: 34.0%
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4
- Trae Young has consistently been a high-volume scorer and playmaker, with his best scoring season in 2019-20 (29.6 PPG) and his best assist season in 2024-25 (11.7 APG).
- Keyonte George is showing promising development in his early career, with improvements in scoring and assists from his rookie season to his second year.
I totally agree he would have benefited from another 1-2 years in college. Aside from Kevin Durant, I can't think of a player who wouldn't have. It's hard to evaluate play on a bad team. Stats this morning have Keyonte shooting 39.1% from the field for the season, same as his career numbers. This may sound bad to you, but you have to note that Jazz are only shooting 38% as a team. He is also the assist leader on a team with a couple of veteran point guards (I think of Utah as the team of misfit toys). Aside from his passing skills which are top level, his point production comes mainly from the three. I'd like to see a little better than 33% from 3. Defensively, hmm..next question...Smashmouth said:bear2be2 said:Most phones autocorrect Keyonte to Keynote. It just became a running gag because it happened so often.TWD 1974 said:Is the keynote thing supposed to be derisive, or he never got his name right?Crawfoso1973 said:
It is a weird. Fans can criticize our roster construction and recruiting philosophy, but targeting individual players and spewing hatred is beyond cringe.
Thanks bear2be2. Definitely spell check. I have no hatred or anything for Keyonte George. I suggested he wasn't ready for the NBA after his freshman year and suggested he would have been better playing another year or two in college. I think the kid has lost his confidence and is definitely struggling to make any kind of shot other than a layup. Debate all you want but he needed another year or two in college. If the Jazz felt he was worthy of a first round pick then you go, I get it. I hope he does well but he won't be playing if he continues to shoot 38 %
I have no idea what will happen, but Keyonte has $8mm guaranteed, which is not bad for a 21 year old. Always seemed like a good guy, played hard for us. Jazz are a disaster so if he doesn't stay they are probably doing him a favor. He's going to be playing in the league for a while.
“No eye has seen, no ear has heard, and no mind has imagined what God has prepared for those who love Him.” 1 Corinthians 2:9
Keyonte's problem both in college and as a pro is that he's an extremely inconsistent shot-maker, making him a very inefficient scorer.BearFan33 said:
this may be an unfair comparison but i wanted to crunch some numbers
Trae Young
2018-19 (Rookie Season)2019-20
- Points per game (PPG): 19.1
- Assists per game (APG): 8.1
- Rebounds per game (RPG): 3.7
- Field Goal Percentage (FG%): 41.8%
- Three-Point Percentage (3P%): 32.4%
2020-21
- PPG: 29.6
- APG: 9.3
- RPG: 4.3
- FG%: 43.7%
- 3P%: 36.1%
2021-22
- PPG: 25.3
- APG: 9.4
- RPG: 3.9
- FG%: 43.8%
- 3P%: 34.3%
2022-23
- PPG: 28.4
- APG: 9.7
- RPG: 3.7
- FG%: 46.0%
- 3P%: 38.2%
2023-24
- PPG: 26.2
- APG: 10.2
- RPG: 3.0
- FG%: 42.9%
- 3P%: 33.5%
2024-25 (Current Season)
- PPG: 25.7
- APG: 10.8
- RPG: 2.8
- FG%: 43.0%
- 3P%: 37.3%
Keyonte George
- PPG: 22.9
- APG: 11.7
- RPG: 3.3
- FG%: 40.1%
- 3P%: 34.6%
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2023-24 (Rookie Season)2024-25 (Current Season)
- PPG: 14.0
- APG: 4.9
- RPG: 3.0
- FG%: 38.9%
- 3P%: 33.6%
Summary
- PPG: 16.2
- APG: 5.8
- RPG: 3.5
- FG%: 38.4%
- 3P%: 34.0%
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- Trae Young has consistently been a high-volume scorer and playmaker, with his best scoring season in 2019-20 (29.6 PPG) and his best assist season in 2024-25 (11.7 APG).
- Keyonte George is showing promising development in his early career, with improvements in scoring and assists from his rookie season to his second year.
Until that changes, he'll never be more than a high-usage, high-volume scorer on a bad team.
Trae Young, at OU averaged 27.4ppg and 8.75 apg. That's a category of player above Keyonte.bear2be2 said:Keyonte's problem both in college and as a pro is that he's an extremely inconsistent shot-maker, making him a very inefficient scorer.BearFan33 said:
this may be an unfair comparison but i wanted to crunch some numbers
Trae Young
2018-19 (Rookie Season)2019-20
- Points per game (PPG): 19.1
- Assists per game (APG): 8.1
- Rebounds per game (RPG): 3.7
- Field Goal Percentage (FG%): 41.8%
- Three-Point Percentage (3P%): 32.4%
2020-21
- PPG: 29.6
- APG: 9.3
- RPG: 4.3
- FG%: 43.7%
- 3P%: 36.1%
2021-22
- PPG: 25.3
- APG: 9.4
- RPG: 3.9
- FG%: 43.8%
- 3P%: 34.3%
2022-23
- PPG: 28.4
- APG: 9.7
- RPG: 3.7
- FG%: 46.0%
- 3P%: 38.2%
2023-24
- PPG: 26.2
- APG: 10.2
- RPG: 3.0
- FG%: 42.9%
- 3P%: 33.5%
2024-25 (Current Season)
- PPG: 25.7
- APG: 10.8
- RPG: 2.8
- FG%: 43.0%
- 3P%: 37.3%
Keyonte George
- PPG: 22.9
- APG: 11.7
- RPG: 3.3
- FG%: 40.1%
- 3P%: 34.6%
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2023-24 (Rookie Season)2024-25 (Current Season)
- PPG: 14.0
- APG: 4.9
- RPG: 3.0
- FG%: 38.9%
- 3P%: 33.6%
Summary
- PPG: 16.2
- APG: 5.8
- RPG: 3.5
- FG%: 38.4%
- 3P%: 34.0%
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- Trae Young has consistently been a high-volume scorer and playmaker, with his best scoring season in 2019-20 (29.6 PPG) and his best assist season in 2024-25 (11.7 APG).
- Keyonte George is showing promising development in his early career, with improvements in scoring and assists from his rookie season to his second year.
Until that changes, he'll never be more than a high-usage, high-volume scorer on a bad team.
I had to refresh my memory, OU that year was 8-10 in the Big 12, 18-14 overall.
It seems to me the truism holds that a great player can turn a good team into a possibly great one, but a great player on a bad team, just makes the team a little more interesting...
“No eye has seen, no ear has heard, and no mind has imagined what God has prepared for those who love Him.” 1 Corinthians 2:9
TWD 1974 said:Trae Young, at OU averaged 27.4ppg and 8.75 apg. That's a category of player above Keyonte.bear2be2 said:Keyonte's problem both in college and as a pro is that he's an extremely inconsistent shot-maker, making him a very inefficient scorer.BearFan33 said:
this may be an unfair comparison but i wanted to crunch some numbers
Trae Young
2018-19 (Rookie Season)2019-20
- Points per game (PPG): 19.1
- Assists per game (APG): 8.1
- Rebounds per game (RPG): 3.7
- Field Goal Percentage (FG%): 41.8%
- Three-Point Percentage (3P%): 32.4%
2020-21
- PPG: 29.6
- APG: 9.3
- RPG: 4.3
- FG%: 43.7%
- 3P%: 36.1%
2021-22
- PPG: 25.3
- APG: 9.4
- RPG: 3.9
- FG%: 43.8%
- 3P%: 34.3%
2022-23
- PPG: 28.4
- APG: 9.7
- RPG: 3.7
- FG%: 46.0%
- 3P%: 38.2%
2023-24
- PPG: 26.2
- APG: 10.2
- RPG: 3.0
- FG%: 42.9%
- 3P%: 33.5%
2024-25 (Current Season)
- PPG: 25.7
- APG: 10.8
- RPG: 2.8
- FG%: 43.0%
- 3P%: 37.3%
Keyonte George
- PPG: 22.9
- APG: 11.7
- RPG: 3.3
- FG%: 40.1%
- 3P%: 34.6%
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2023-24 (Rookie Season)2024-25 (Current Season)
- PPG: 14.0
- APG: 4.9
- RPG: 3.0
- FG%: 38.9%
- 3P%: 33.6%
Summary
- PPG: 16.2
- APG: 5.8
- RPG: 3.5
- FG%: 38.4%
- 3P%: 34.0%
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- Trae Young has consistently been a high-volume scorer and playmaker, with his best scoring season in 2019-20 (29.6 PPG) and his best assist season in 2024-25 (11.7 APG).
- Keyonte George is showing promising development in his early career, with improvements in scoring and assists from his rookie season to his second year.
Until that changes, he'll never be more than a high-usage, high-volume scorer on a bad team.
I had to refresh my memory, OU that year was 8-10 in the Big 12, 18-14 overall.
It seems to me the truism holds that a great player can turn a good team into a possibly great one, but a great player on a bad team, just makes the team a little more interesting...
This is definitely an unfair comparison. One is an all star level point guard. The other is probably going to have an okay career like his team mate Jordan Clarkson
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