Lunardi had us at 95% or something like that. Think he was being a tad generous. Would guess it's around 15%. Post season outlook is much more dire than anyone wants to admit. We're going to need to beat Houston and Okie St to get in. That feels incredibly unlikely

Lose to Cincinnati on Tuesday night and we literally could find ourselves in a tie for 10th place. As good as our metrics still are and as good as SOS is, we will have a tough time passing the judgmental part of the test with the committee if we are hovering down that low in the conference unless we go on a tear in the conference tournament.

Nah..go 3-1 losing to Houston and we're in..that's an 11-9 conference record in a power conference and we're in..

Even 2-2 losing to TCU and Houston we in .

Y'all aren't realizing how soft the bubble is .For us to fall that far someone has to rise up and there's just not enough teams that can unless we collapse and go 0-4

The bubble truly is soft no doubt, but I think you have a lot more confidence in this team going 3-1 or even 2-2 than I do. We just got through losing (and looking horrible doing it) with the absolute worst team in the conference, road game or not. I haven't seen anything in the past few weeks that leads me to believe we will win anything other than the Oklahoma St game.

You think a team that just lost to a god awful CO team is going 3-1? 2-2 requires winning a road game because we aren't beating Houston. I'm glad you still have faith. But it feels like CO sealed our fate

The look on Drew's face in the post game press conference said it all. He had the expressions of a coach who has tried his best to change the course of this group, but he's not getting through to them. I truly hope Stef and others are right, but I think this group is done for the year. They have no leader on the court to help effectuate any change.

No..I didn't say we were going 3-1..I said if we DID..or 2-2 we're in..like I said we could fall off the cliff and go 0-4..

Just saying there's a lot of teams on the seed line below us in MUCH worse shape..

Never said that..see my post above.

And no. Colorado didn't seal any fate..unless we allow it to.

If you told me before the game Nunn was out.
I would have said 50-50 we'd win..not an excuse..just facts ..

Get him back and I think we can handle Cincinnati an d Ok State...TCU..who knows.. Houston...we know what's gonna happen..

Every Bracketology tool I looked at just now has us as a 9 seed after the loss ..so we're in front of Texas .. Arkansas..and West Virginia...two teams we beat..

So 2-2 should be good enough.. anything less..yeah we sweating it..and need to show up in KC...

We can still make the Tournament. We have to win to stay in. So do most of the schools still wanting to get in. Why do we have posters so anxious four us to lose? Why do those posters post in the same rhetorical voice? Why does a poster who wasn't posting in 2021 comment on posts made at that time? Why did Keyonte George score 30 last night in a win against the Rockets?

No ones anxious for us to lose. Most however, are realistic about this team. Something you're incapable of because your basketball IQ is so incredibly low.
What the hell does Keyonte have to do with this discussion? Call me when he becomes the next Magic Johnson like you promised. Why is this team 16-11?? After all the entire team is unguardable ? Your exact words. How does a team lose 11 games with such unstoppable players? Can you answer any of those questions truthfully?

I think Keyonte is doing just fine for a second year player and you're the one that brought up Mayer. When you ask a real question I'll be happy to respond. I never said anything like "we have 11 players that can't be guarded." I did say no one can guard Edgecombe. If I mention the numerous injuries you'll say you're tired of excuses. After all a great player like yourself could always play at a high level no matter how injured you were.

Quit gaslighting…. Answer my questions. By the way we've gotten the doors blown off multiple times with a full roster… why was that the case? You're the resident know it all on here and constantly call out people when their takes are wrong. So explain why yours were so far off. And there's a drastic difference between Keyonte playing well (he is) and him being Magic Johnson.

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The look on Drew's face in the post game press conference said it all. He had the expressions of a coach who has tried his best to change the course of this group, but he's not getting through to them. I truly hope Stef and others are right, but I think this group is done for the year. They have no leader on the court to help effectuate any change.

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Yep and even Drew admits as much and despite his outward optimism sounded defeated in the interview before the game. In the interview before the game, someone asked Drew who was the leader on the team and he answered to the effect of "we have leadership by committee." Which is coach speak for we have no leaders on the team. We sleptwalked the last 2 minutes of the game when it was still within reach. No urgency to foul and give our selves a chance. Bottom line this team is a low IQ, soft group of disjointed parts.There are reasons for underperformance such as poor roster construction, poor depth, injuries, etc. But no excuse for the consistent lack of IQ and effort from the veterans in the rotation who have regressed since the beginning of the season.

Lot of good points here. The one thing I felt certain of coming into the season was leadership. Omier and Roach are both 5 years guys who've seen it all. Langston has been here 4 years. Really thought from a leadership perspective we were set.

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Nah..go 3-1 losing to Houston and we're in..that's an 11-9 conference record in a power conference and we're in..

Even 2-2 losing to TCU and Houston we in .

Y'all aren't realizing how soft the bubble is .For us to fall that far someone has to rise up and there's just not enough teams that can unless we collapse and go 0-4

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I don't think only beating Ok st will do it. Losing at Cincy and at Tcu is very possible now.

Still think home v Hou will be for the tournament. I just believe going 2-2 could very well require a home win to close the season. But I'll defer bc I don't follow the bubble teams all that closely.

The women starting to play as a team, like a team, and you see the results.

As for the men? Well, we have a potential lottery pick on the court.........

'nuff said

No way beating just OSU will do it.. that would put us at 17-14..

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Lose to Cincinnati on Tuesday night and we literally could find ourselves in a tie for 10th place. As good as our metrics still are and as good as SOS is, we will have a tough time passing the judgmental part of the test with the committee if we are hovering down that low in the conference unless we go on a tear in the conference tournament.

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With any scrutiny at all, our resume crumbles to dust. Playing a bunch of good teams doesn't matter when you trail every single one of them by 15-plus points at some point. We've only won two of those games, and both took miracle comebacks to achieve.

The only thing we have going for us is that the bubble is absolute garbage this year. But so are we, so who really cares at this point?

If we make the tournament, it will be with a 9 or 10 seed and we'll get bounced in the first round.

I'm just ready for this season to be over. I'm tired of watching and talking about this team.

Big12Fan2024 said:

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The look on Drew's face in the post game press conference said it all. He had the expressions of a coach who has tried his best to change the course of this group, but he's not getting through to them. I truly hope Stef and others are right, but I think this group is done for the year. They have no leader on the court to help effectuate any change.

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Drew is as responsible as anyone for the garbage product we've put on the court this year. He built the roster and did nothing to change the bad habits that were obvious in November in December.

I saw flashes of Roach returning to his pre-concussion play. If VJ returns to his pre-ankle injury play we are a dangerous team. I'm willing to let the season play out and see what happens.

This team reminds me of some of Drew's old teams that would barely show up until the tournaments started.

But I am with those who are basically saying the team has no team chemistry right now.

Maybe Drew can get Tang in to give a speech.

I didn't realize that we had to be star basketball players in order to post critique of Scott Drew's program on a free message board. I hear that cop out from the sunshine types all the time on these boards. It's the number one sign that they've lost the argument.

Anyways, the team is under performing ultimately because of Scott Drew. I knew someone that played on the basketball team ~15 years ago, and they told me that our practices were very disorganized and more like a series of pick up games.

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I didn't realize that we had to be star basketball players in order to post critique of Scott Drew's program on a free message board. I hear that cop out from the sunshine types all the time on these boards. It's the number one sign that they've lost the argument.

Anyways, the team is under performing ultimately because of Scott Drew. I knew someone that played on the basketball team ~15 years ago, and they told me that our practices were very disorganized and more like a series of pick up games.

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Probably because the best part of practice or playing basketball at all is the pick up game, and Drew wants to do what the players want to do

I certainly didn't have 'the pitchforks coming after Scott Drew and Bill Self' on my bingo card this year.

We need 3 wins, IMO. If we only beat OSU before the conference tourney, we would need 2 wins to make the big dance. The only way we become a 'lock' is to go 3-1 to close out the regular season. Most likely we go 2-2 and are a true bubble team. Lose the first and we are out of the big dance, Win the first and we are likely in (possibly in the play-in game).

There are people on this board who are over the top with optimism year after year. They get called names and are invited back to these posts to 'defend' the team that they had pumped up. They don't seem to accept when our teams have obvious weaknesses that others are just pointing out. Sometimes that is annoying

There are others who are over the top with their negativity. The really do believe the team 'quits', or that the coaches are no better than Jr. High coaches. Some of these people do not seem to have the experience of actually playing sports at least at a varsity level. You don't have to be a 'star' player to have an opinion, but if you haven't played competitive sports beyond Jr. High or JV, you lack a perspective that you will never understand. Players very rarely 'quit' during a game. The coaches have acquired their positions because they have worked hard, learned from mistakes, and grown in their profession. Players and coaches work very hard to get better. The constant name calling and statements of "fact' that border on the absurd is annoying.

There are other posters who are in neither of these camps. They enjoy making snide comments either way just to get someone else riled up. It's a sick kind of amusement. They enjoy the feeling that they have when they believe that they have gotten in someone's head. These people aren't annoying. They are mean and they suck.

All 3 groups want Baylor basketball to be successful. The 2nd group doesn't "love it when we lose", they are just hyper-critical and have a passion for the game. The people in the first group just love Baylor, believe in our coaches and are hopeful that the guys on our roster will develop into the players that they were hyped up to be.

This year's team isn't a 'bad team'. It is a poor roster. Missi was supposed to be our middle presence. We whiffed on some of our transfer pursuits, and landed what we believed would be a difference maker in Omier. I think the best case is that he and Olijuwana could both play 30 plus minutes every game and we could go small ball for stretches to give them adequate rest. The other bigs have been developmental projects who apparently haven't developed enough to even help during the games. Is that on the coaches? Sure, but consider our history with other projects. Several of those took a couple of years but eventually became all conference type players. As far as leadership on the team, that develops organically. I believed it would be the experienced transfers who took over that role. Both Omier and Roach had been solid contributers on final 4 teams. The only two that appear to try to lead on the floor are both Freshmen, and only one of them will be back next year. That has been a problem.

We are in a completely different world of college basketball. There are some players who will transfer for more money. There will be others who could develop over time, but will transfer for more playing time. There will be some players that we are counting on for a couple of years, but develop so quickly that they go pro after one year - Missi and Sochan. Is that coaching? Sure it is. Should they try to not develop those players so quickly?
Should we only recruit 1 and dones? It's fun to watch at times, but it doesn't produce championships. Ask Duke and Kentucky what it has been like turning over the full roster year after year (although this year's Duke team is special - we'll see how they do in the tourney). Roster development is a nearly impossible task. I don't know if they have GM positions like they do in football, but they are needed. What I do expect is that good coaches were learn to optimize NIL budgets and the transfer process to develop competitive teams every year. I do believe Scott Drew is a good coach - another problem is that he is recognized as a good coach and our best assistants get head coaching jobs every couple of years. The lack of continuity on the staff makes building a culture difficult as well. Again, I trust Drew to bring in coaches who will be good for the culture and good for the team.

I will continue to be a fan. I'm too cheap to pay for subscriptions. As a result, I will be a part of the 'free board' community and will have to learn to accept both the sunshine pumpers and the haters. That means that sometimes I will get annoyed with both groups. I will always hope that we will win and develop. I will leave it up to the coaches and athletic department staff to make the decisions that they get paid to make.

Sic em

No pitchforks from me. At least not my intention. So if it came off that way than that's my bad. But I definitely think it's fair to criticize CSD coaching performance this season.

Stefano DiMera said:

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I certainly didn't have 'the pitchforks coming after Scott Drew and Bill Self' on my bingo card this year.

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I don't think anyone has pitchforks out. Drew has earned himself a lifetime contract at Baylor.

But the program is headed in the wrong direction right now, and there's nothing wrong with pointing that out.

If we continue on this path we're on, the remainder of Drew's tenure in Waco will be a very frustrating one.