Who do you want back from this roster next year?

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Ashley Hodge
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Obviously Edgecombe, Omier, Roach and Nunn are gone. Who would you build this roster around for next year?

We know Tounde Yessoufou- 5 star freshman- and Cam Carr (Tennessee transfer) are going to be on the roster.
sicemkentucky
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I personally think Rob is going to be phenomenal next year with another year in the system. Would love to keep him. Everyone else can go. But if that truly were to happen, bringing in a ton of new guys makes me super nervous about next year. How many would we have to bring in? 7? That seems like a recipe for disaster.
Rawyer Sobertson
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Build around Rob if the price makes sense. Cam is a great piece and hopefully Tounde can be a 6th man type.

Otherwise I'd let everyone else walk. I'd love to have JC back for low nil ~$250k to be an 8/9th guy if he'll but into that being a lesser role.

Would waste zero time on Love.

Josh would need to take a redshirt year at low/no nil. Even then I'm worried that the year after next the injury would prevent him from warranting a roster spot.

Hopefully we've learned our lesson on betting on players with injury history.
DaboBear
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Keep the 4 obvious ones Ashley mentioned. (Wright, Celestine, Tounde, & Carr.)
Langston - tough one. I've kept an emotional attachment partly because of how he played last year before injury. Was on pace to be 6th man of the year. Now I'm more inclined to "it's not personal, just business.

The two we have actually seen play:
J. Asemota - He would have to make a big jump from year one to year two, question is can he?
M. Dubravcic - Not as much to go on but looks like to me he's worth keeping.

Zero opinion because they haven't played.
K. Jackson 6-2 - Another small guard, my taste for small guards has lessened this year with the exception of Wright, obviously.
O. Adegbola 6-4 - Zero opinion, completely unknown.
Y. Ndjonga 6-7 Zero opinion, completely unknown.
I like the size of these last two, but that is as far as it goes. Ashley or someone can elaborate on these last 5 currently on roster?

In a perfect world every transfer would need to have multiple years of eligibility remaining.




IowaBear
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The only potential returner that has made any impact is Wright. We're essentially starting from scratch yet again. I hope all incoming players have multiple years of eligibility or the same cycle is going to repeat itself. Big Langston fan but he simply cannot be counted on headed into next year. So realistically Asemota, Wright are the only talented pieces set to return. Gonna be an interesting off season
TWD 1974
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Ashley Hodge said:

Obviously Edgecombe, Omier, Roach and Nunn are gone. Who would you build this roster around for next year?

We know Tounde Yessoufou- 5 star freshman- and Cam Carr (Tennessee transfer) are going to be on the roster.
If I understand correctly, scholarship limits go up to 15 next year. Based on our injury record the past few years, I am hoping we use this as an opportunity to expand our roster to give us real depth as we are likely going to need it. I believe Celestine is a graduate transfer--is he done as well?

  • Obviously, Wright is the key man. You can build -- and recruit off a great point guard. Robert just needs more experience to be a great college point guard.
  • Is Asimota staying. I would love to see more of him after a year of off-season training.
  • I don't quite get the angst about Langston. He has had enough injury issues to sideline a platoon. When he does play he contributes and could be key. There is value of having a veteran with multiple years in the program coming off the bench.
  • Josh is going to take time to heal, but with an expanded roster, there could be less pressure to bring him back too quickly.
  • I have no idea about the remaining eligible players. I am guessing we lose one or two, which is average.
Whatever the case, we are going to have minimum 5 or more slots to fill. I have been told in card play discarding 5 on every hand is a good way to reach bankruptcy. Hope we have better portal luck this year.
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IowaBear said:

The only potential returner that has made any impact is Wright. We're essentially starting from scratch yet again. I hope all incoming players have multiple years of eligibility or the same cycle is going to repeat itself. Big Langston fan but he simply cannot be counted on headed into next year. So realistically Asemota, Wright are the only talented pieces set to return. Gonna be an interesting off season
So true - we could see an entirely new roster next year and it's concerning based on our portal misses this past year. We absolutely need a roster where everyone can contribute...
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IowaBear said:

The only potential returner that has made any impact is Wright. We're essentially starting from scratch yet again. I hope all incoming players have multiple years of eligibility or the same cycle is going to repeat itself. Big Langston fan but he simply cannot be counted on headed into next year. So realistically Asemota, Wright are the only talented pieces set to return. Gonna be an interesting off season
Even if the plan is to find guys with 2 or 3 years of eligibility, I am extremely skeptical about our staff's ability to find and recruit quality transfers. We have had way too many transfer busts in the past 2-3 recruiting cycles. Once upon a time we were the very best at finding those transfer diamonds in the rough and developing them into studs. Not so much any more.
MidwestMatt
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Wright is the obvious piece to build around. Assuming Wright and Yessoufou are the only locked-in starters, with Asemota, Carr, and JC off the bench, I like keeping Love as a culture piece. If he is still happy there after all these years, he is valuable to for continuity and leadership. That would mean bringing in 2-3 starters: probably two frontcourt players and maybe a 2-guard.

My questions:
Can Cam Carr be the backup PG or do we need to get a back-up ball-handler? Is Carr starter-quality?
Are we bringing in any other freshman?

It seems to me like we need a 3-and-D 2-guard to fit between a small guard (Wright) and a freshman (Yessoufou). The biggest priority needs to be a center that can protect the rim and rebound - being a lob-threat and having an offensive game would be a bonus.

All that said, our best 2 players probably need to come via TP, right? I love Wright but asking him or Yessoufou to be the best player on the team seems like alot to ask.
TWD 1974
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Crawfoso1973 said:

IowaBear said:

The only potential returner that has made any impact is Wright. We're essentially starting from scratch yet again. I hope all incoming players have multiple years of eligibility or the same cycle is going to repeat itself. Big Langston fan but he simply cannot be counted on headed into next year. So realistically Asemota, Wright are the only talented pieces set to return. Gonna be an interesting off season
Even if the plan is to find guys with 2 or 3 years of eligibility, I am extremely skeptical about our staff's ability to find and recruit quality transfers. We have had way too many transfer busts in the past 2-3 recruiting cycles. Once upon a time we were the very best at finding those transfer diamonds in the rough and developing them into studs. Not so much any more.
When I look around, it seems that portal classes are the same as any traditional recruiting class: some hit, some miss. Fab fives are the unicorn of college basketball. You can name the great recruiting classes on one hand. To get a core 5-7 players, its likely going to take 2 years.
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Ashley Hodge
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I think we will see Wright, Carr, Yessoufou and Celestine. Not sure about anyone else. No doubt we will be hitting the portal hard after the season, preferably finding guys we can have for 2 years.
IowaBear
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I don't disagree per se. But getting those multi year guys at least allows some continuity. Gives the players a chance to grow/develop cohesiveness. The current strategy isn't even allowing that. We're simply rolling out brand new rosters yearly hoping they fit. Been a steady decline the last 3 years because that strategy just doesn't work. Never really has.
But the larger picture is correct. We need to hit on the multi year transfers. And I personally would prefer we get away from the 1 n done transfers. Pairing 1 n done freshman with 1 n done transfers ain't it.
Big12Fan2024
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Rob Wright -- He's an obvious choice for someone I want to return because he is extremely talented. However, I will go on record today saying as valuable as I consider him to be there is a breaking point monetarily at which I would allow him to walk. Some of his deficiencies were brought to the forefront by defensively talented taller guards with long wingspans and he is a complete work-in-progress on D (although I felt like he improved some during the year). If our NIL budget is limited, don't pull another Jeremy Roach and overpay for 1 person when you have a team of positions that need to be filled. It would kill me to see Wright in another uni, but at the same time I have to think of the overall team. Wright is talented, but he doesn't have the ability to carry an entire team by himself.

Yessoufou, Carr -- Haven't seen Yessoufou in a real game and I don't watch misleading mixtapes any longer. I would like to think we can stock the roster with some experienced transfers to the point Yessoufou is in the first group off the bench and not forced into a more prominent role unless he's ready for it. Carr has an incredible wingspan but looked a bit green in the few instances I saw him. I like the fact he will have been with the team for awhile and not just a guy rolling in come early August.

Celestine - I like him if: a) we get him at a low NIL rate; b) we can use him for the role he is intended, which is a streaky 3 point shooter who comes off the bench and his minutes played are quickly determined by whether he is stroking that night or not. If we go into the season counting on him to be one of our productive 5 starters or even the reserve who we need to contribute the most, then that tells me to set my expectations for a team finish somewhere in the 6th to 12th spots.

Langston -- I'll make it short and sweet -- it's best for both him and Baylor that each go in different directions. He's a tremendous defensive liability, his lateral quickness is almost completely gone and his offensive game is ok but a shell of what it was. It was fun seeing the early versions of him but he needs a new start and we need to move on. If Scott decides to bring him back, then I would want to know we have 10 other guys who can actually play (not just walkons) because we know Love will miss games due to injuries. At this point he would be a 10-15 minute a game role player on a really good team.

Asemota -- I'm sure he's probably a good guy but I just don't see a fit with our style. He's too light and doesn't seem to enjoy the physicality required to play inside and seemingly not a good enough shooter to do what he wants to do -- sit in the corner and fire up 3's. Maybe with 2 more years of work he'd be ready to contribute at a higher level, but right now I see Jordan Turner and think he's probably better at a mid-major.

Josh O -- I'm proud of Josh. While he didn't make the giant jump I thought he would over the summer, I feel like he turned into a reasonably solid rotational big. He's just not a big who should have been playing 30 minutes a game and that's on Drew not Josh. Unfortunately, I just don't see that many big guys come back from knee injuries like that with the same skills as pre-injury and so I wonder how effective he will be even if he can play in 2025-26. If Drew decides to keep him, see the Langston Rule above -- just make sure you have 10 other guys who can play because you're not getting a full, 100% season from Josh. He's been such a good dude I would love to see him graduate from Baylor (or maybe he's working on his Masters now?) so I'd love to see him on the bench and at some point coming in for 10-15 minutes a game when needed.

Marino - On the positive side I have been surprised that he hasn't looked awful in the filler time he's given over the past few weeks but at the same time it is obvious he would be an extended project and it seems like Europeans come over for US college to play and if they don't play immediately they transfer. So, I'll be surprised to see him still here. I'd rather find a guy who has played a year or two and contributed.

Yanis -- We signed the guy in 2023 and he still hasn't played in 2 years. If his knee is that bad then I'm not building any team around him. And, I still don't know whether he can play or not, so for those reasons I'm saying Best Wishes and finding someone at a mid-major who has actually played and I can see what skills they have.

All the others - Best wishes and thank you for being a Baylor Bear this year.



ejboy4410
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What is the likelihood of Josh O coming back and of him being able to play next year?
Ashley Hodge
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ejboy4410 said:

What is the likelihood of Josh O coming back and of him being able to play next year?
Josh isn't the issue, he loves Baylor and the coaches love him.
KIA
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Several players in Baylor's history under Drew took a few years to develop.

Cory Jefferson - 1 start in first 3 years.
Rico Gathers - 3 starts first 2 years
Taurean Prince - 8 starts first 3 years.
All 3 of those redshirted during those times.
Motley and Vital both redshirted.
Matthew Mayer struggled early
Transfers like JTT, Gillespie, Umot (I'm sure many others) took time before becoming strong contributors or starters.

I felt like Olajuwua developed similarly. Was becoming a very good rebounder, and was growing offensively.

Part of trying to develop team chemistry and 'staying old' means allowing some developmental time. I don't know that it is possible in today's NIL climate.

As far as 1 and dones, I think bringing in one a year helps us. I don't think we expected Missi or Sochan or Kendal Brown to leave after one year - I guess we coached them too well? I tend to agree with avoiding 1 year transfers, but again - some have been stellar - who was the guy from Yale? Omier was outstanding this year. But it does make more sense to get a really good mid-major transfer for 3 years rather than a 5th year guy from a major program (probably looking for higher NIL).

All that being said:

#1 priority is Wright. He committed to us very early and kept to that even after a stellar senior year. I hope he remains committed to us. He is the kind of guy to build a program around. Too small to be a lottery this year and probably even next year, but if he continues to improve - he will leave for the NBA at some point. Chris Paul comparisons may be hyperbole, but he is special.

We bring back Asemota (he should have red-shirted). High motor and athletic. Could develop into a starter in 2 years.

The Russian is another that should have redshirted. He doesn't seem athletic, but he could become a backup big man who stays in the program 4 years.

Ndonga - who knows? 2 years for an ACL seems like a long time. If the coaches don't think he can contribute, then they will likely let him know that.

Love - my gut is that he comes back or retires for medical reasons. He, Wright, and Carr would be the primary starting guards and he may want to give it one last shot.

Josh will be back, but could be out until Christmas at the earliest, possibly the whole season.

I think Celestine is out of eligibility.

We need 2 bigs, and 2 shooters from the portal. Even then, we are only at 11 scholarships.



Big12Fan2024
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Celestine is not out of eligibility. He has a medical redshirt year from 2022-23 to take, if he desires. He was part of the COVID class that was awarded 5 years. He has played 4.
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If Celestine is playing the 3 then yes, if he gets stuck at 4, then no. His D is terrible and rebounding not good either.
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MidwestMatt said:


All that said, our best 2 players probably need to come via TP, right? I love Wright but asking him or Yessoufou to be the best player on the team seems like alot to ask.


1 of our two best players need to come from the portal.

But Wright with an additional year of development is completely capable of being the other guy on a very good basketball team. Asking Tounde (who is raw but very physical) would be too much though, agreed.

I think Wright should be pro caliber by the second half of his second year. Only concern is very real questions about our defensive development and coaching on our staff. Wright needs big improvement there. Losing a ton of assistants has hurt.
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Why can't we seem to get one dude like tcu's big guy? Maybe we recruited him? Seems familiar. Just even a dude like that completely changes rhis season.

It was funny watching our tallest guy at the moment towered over by him and then basically shorter at most every position against Tcu of all teams.
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Fre3dombear said:

Why can't we seem to get one dude like tcu's big guy? Maybe we recruited him? Seems familiar. Just even a dude like that completely changes rhis season.

It was funny watching our tallest guy at the moment towered over by him and then basically shorter at most every position against Tcu of all teams.
You mean Udeh? He sounds familiar because he was a Kansas commit. Great shot blocker.

Former chunky TCU post player, Lampkin is averaging a double double at Syracuse.
Crawfoso1973
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Punch is the type of TCU big I would love us to get. An athletic energy guy who can defend, rim protect, set screens, catch lobs. Not sure why we don't target those kinds of bigs instead of tweeners like Celestine and Asemota.
TWD 1974
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Crawfoso1973 said:

Punch is the type of TCU big I would love us to get. An athletic energy guy who can defend, rim protect, set screens, catch lobs. Not sure why we don't target those kinds of bigs instead of tweeners like Celestine and Asemota.
The guy I was hoping we could get was Trazarian White, who appears to have had a disappointing year. So much for my expertise.

I know a lot of folks have been referring to Jalen as being thought of as a stretch four. If someone actually heard a coach saying that I would be concerned. Celestine has always been listed as a guard, and 3 minutes of game film would show he is not built for the inside game.
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Ashley Hodge
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Crawfoso1973 said:

Punch is the type of TCU big I would love us to get. An athletic energy guy who can defend, rim protect, set screens, catch lobs. Not sure why we don't target those kinds of bigs instead of tweeners like Celestine and Asemota.
I think we've fallen in love with trying to re-create our championship roster (which I get), but the game has shifted a little. The return of the big man is real. Basketball goes in cycles.
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TWD 1974 said:

Crawfoso1973 said:

Punch is the type of TCU big I would love us to get. An athletic energy guy who can defend, rim protect, set screens, catch lobs. Not sure why we don't target those kinds of bigs instead of tweeners like Celestine and Asemota.
The guy I was hoping we could get was Trazarian White, who appears to have had a disappointing year. So much for my expertise.

I know a lot of folks have been referring to Jalen as being thought of as a stretch four. If someone actually heard a coach saying that I would be concerned. Celestine has always been listed as a guard, and 3 minutes of game film would show he is not built for the inside game.
Celistine is obviously a wing but regardless of what position he is considered, Celestine is playing his minutes as our defacto stretch 4. Because we literally have no other bigs on our roster and for some inexplicable reason we did not get an actual big in the portal.
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I'd give my left nut to have another Johnathan Motley.
BUAL
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I love Josh. I am praying for his recovery. I can only imagine what his ability to earn money in some form of pro ball will mean to him, his family and his community. Hes a smart kid off the court and will do well. He made some real progress. He fouled less while still playing aggressive defense. Seems like a good dude. You cannot coach height and based on how we have played without him, he is important.

Now the but... we saw what an injury to the knee can do to an athletic player like Everyday J. Josh relies too much on his effort to squat and try to move laterally to defend, versus just being huge. That style of play cannot bode well for a recovering knee. Hope he doesn't read this but not real optimistic on an effective recovery unless be develops a postup game versus his unusual style of play.

IowaBear
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Milic Jr at Tenn was the big miss. Getting him instead of Celestine and roach and this team is immensely better.
TWD 1974
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IowaBear said:

I'd give my left nut to have another Johnathan Motley.
I'd settle for another Lomers if he can get here by Saturday.
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IowaBear
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Was it Sam Houston or Old Dominion that he carried us past in the NCAAS? Was sitting in 10th grade Physics watching that game with my teacher
Ashley Hodge
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IowaBear said:

Was it Sam Houston or Old Dominion that he carried us past in the NCAAS? Was sitting in 10th grade Physics watching that game with my teacher
Old Dominion
TWD 1974
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TWD 1974 said:

IowaBear said:

I'd give my left nut to have another Johnathan Motley.
I'd settle for another Lomers if he can get here by Saturday.
Had to check. Old Dominion. 14pts. 12 rebounds. Got us to the sixteen for the first time. Talk about a big win for the program.
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IowaBear
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Huge moment! Baylor has no shot in that game without his play. Memory is a bit foggy but I'm fairly certain ODU had some long athletic guards that were giving us fits. Josh took over against their bigs
Mitch Henessey
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BUAL said:

I love Josh. I am praying for his recovery. I can only imagine what his ability to earn money in some form of pro ball will mean to him, his family and his community. Hes a smart kid off the court and will do well. He made some real progress. He fouled less while still playing aggressive defense. Seems like a good dude. You cannot coach height and based on how we have played without him, he is important.

Now the but... we saw what an injury to the knee can do to an athletic player like Everyday J. Josh relies too much on his effort to squat and try to move laterally to defend, versus just being huge. That style of play cannot bode well for a recovering knee. Hope he doesn't read this but not real optimistic on an effective recovery unless be develops a postup game versus his unusual style of play.


Tchamwa Tchatchoa's injury is night and day different than Josh's injury. Everyday Jon's was so catastrophic that they thought they might have to amputate his leg at one point. So, yes, while your point is well made that it can be difficult for a big to recover the same degree of athleticism right away, Ojianwuna's injury is much, much less serious and debilitating. He should be able to fully recover.
Mitch Henessey
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As to the original question Ashley posed in this thread, I can't think of a guy on the roster that is eligible to come back next year that I don't want to come back. I'm sure we probably will lose 1-2 guys, but I'm hopeful they aren't guys that feature heavily in future plans.

The issue isn't any of the current players in particular. The issue with this roster is that it was functionally 7.5 guys deep, with Langston Love missing 2/3 of the season and Josh now missing 1/2. We also didn't get a big to spell Josh and Norchad, and when Josh went down, we now have zero size down low.

We need to have 9-10 functional D1 players that can feature in the rotation next year. I think we've become such a family atmosphere that we don't over recruit to avoid having to cull the roster or have someone transfer out. We need to be a bit more cutthroat than we've been the last two-plus years.

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