RW is an adult. He signed an agreement for more money than most on this board will ever earn in a year - rumored to be $1.5 Million.

This is 100% on RW. Even if his Dad was pulling the strings.

bear2be2 said:

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guadalupeoso said:

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bear2be2 said:

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IvanBear said:

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Chucky38 said:

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Its a business man. You can not blame Wright. You can not blame Drew. Baylor does not have the money to compete with the big dogs.

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We were top ten last year, I don't believe this. But I do agree drew isn't treating it like the business it is

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Half of our recruiting pitch these days is hyping the players who leave our program after one year with nothing of note to show for their time in Waco.

When you advertise yourself as a one-year stop off on the way to bigger and better things, you can't be surprised by the clientele you attract.

Tech: "Toughest team wins"
Houston: "If you don't want problems, don't recruit problems."
Baylor: "We'll help you achieve your dreams ... after your one mediocre year here, of course."

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I don't think this is the recruiting pitch at all. The program slogan has and will continue to be JOY. We have been a top 3 seed 4 out of the last 5 years and each of those has been well-deserved. Disappointing results in the tournament, injury luck, poorly constructed rosters have happened - no doubt there are issues. But to think that CSD has just completely forgot how to build a roster or manage a culture is just not true. If that were the case we would be missing the tournament, not winning recruiting battles, not getting transfers, falling off like Kentucky did at the end of the Calipari era. Has not happened yet - although it's been disappointing the last 3 years, we are a long way from hitting the bottom.

Also, all of these one-and-done players that we have gotten were recruited by the same programs that have had better results than us in recent years, i.e. Duke, Kansas, Tennessee, Auburn, etc. We just happened to win the recruiting battle for those guys, so it's a farce to act like we have a recruiting strategy vastly different from everyone else. Our roster construction around some of those recruits has just not panned out. It's complete hindsight is 20/20 to act like our recruiting strategy (as far as elite 1-and-done, NBA prospect talent) has been a miscalculation.

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Our teams have steadily been getting worse and more flawed every year since the national championship. The fall-off is happening in front of our eyes.

And barring something near miraculous -- you can't recruit nine or 10 good players out of the portal and build a cohesive unit in six months -- it will continue next season.

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Maybe you'll get the hard reset next year you've been hoping for.

HistoryDoc97 said:

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My son is a current student at Baylor and the rumor he has heard on campus is that Wright's dad is very involved. Supposedly the staff has had to work to keep the dad away from the team this year and the rumor is he is pushing Rob to jump for more money.

We have been able to avoid the helicopter/AAU parent at Baylor. It will also be interesting to see where Wright lands and who the coach is for the tampering issue. If it is an SEC school, Rick Pitino, North Carolina, or TCU, it is most definitely tampering.

If you watched college game day before the final four, Fran was discussing the new revenue sharing model that comes in next year. He said players will sign contracts with teams like the NBA that will be multi-year and legally binding with possibly buy-out fees. I think this year is a "tread water" year for Drew and then shift to the new situation.

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Next year will be a little different. (amounts more solidified) But agents will do the go betweens, not coaches.

Stefano DiMera said:

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You know that's not fair...or accurate..

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Do I? If we gave Robert Wright a dollar for every Baylor basketball tweet or Scott Drew comment about our success in recent drafts, we likely could have kept him.

We talk constantly about getting guys to the next level, and it's used constantly in national stories about recruit's interest in our program.

Whether you like it or not or want to admit it or not, we have become a showcase program.

That's not to say we're not trying to compete at a championship level. We've just lost sight of the work, grit and toughness that goes into building those types of teams.

Excellent post. There are a small number of passionate Baylor fans relative to the elites of college basketball. I'm not sure I would put our fan base in the top 50.
We have high expectations relative to where we are in the pecking order of college basketball value, tradition, fan engagement. Drew is right for Baylor and frankly has exceeded any expectations anyone had for him. I trust him to continue being successful, but this new world does not favor a school like Baylor. We don't have the resources to compete with UNC, Kentucky, Kansas, etc etc.
Houston is the exception in this blue blood world, they have a top 5 coach. As in top 5 play calling, understanding the game, getting the most out of players. They are fortunate that Sampson is not going anywhere, he is too old to at this point. He can take a 2-3 star and make him play hungrier than your 5 star and that's one of the reasons he has been successful.
Drew is the best coach we could hope for, however, I would like to see a hard ass coach to get D tighter.

Mitch Henessey said:

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bear2be2 said:

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guadalupeoso said:

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bear2be2 said:

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IvanBear said:

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Chucky38 said:

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Its a business man. You can not blame Wright. You can not blame Drew. Baylor does not have the money to compete with the big dogs.

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We were top ten last year, I don't believe this. But I do agree drew isn't treating it like the business it is

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Half of our recruiting pitch these days is hyping the players who leave our program after one year with nothing of note to show for their time in Waco.

When you advertise yourself as a one-year stop off on the way to bigger and better things, you can't be surprised by the clientele you attract.

Tech: "Toughest team wins"
Houston: "If you don't want problems, don't recruit problems."
Baylor: "We'll help you achieve your dreams ... after your one mediocre year here, of course."

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I don't think this is the recruiting pitch at all. The program slogan has and will continue to be JOY. We have been a top 3 seed 4 out of the last 5 years and each of those has been well-deserved. Disappointing results in the tournament, injury luck, poorly constructed rosters have happened - no doubt there are issues. But to think that CSD has just completely forgot how to build a roster or manage a culture is just not true. If that were the case we would be missing the tournament, not winning recruiting battles, not getting transfers, falling off like Kentucky did at the end of the Calipari era. Has not happened yet - although it's been disappointing the last 3 years, we are a long way from hitting the bottom.

Also, all of these one-and-done players that we have gotten were recruited by the same programs that have had better results than us in recent years, i.e. Duke, Kansas, Tennessee, Auburn, etc. We just happened to win the recruiting battle for those guys, so it's a farce to act like we have a recruiting strategy vastly different from everyone else. Our roster construction around some of those recruits has just not panned out. It's complete hindsight is 20/20 to act like our recruiting strategy (as far as elite 1-and-done, NBA prospect talent) has been a miscalculation.

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Our teams have steadily been getting worse and more flawed every year since the national championship. The fall-off is happening in front of our eyes.

And barring something near miraculous -- you can't recruit nine or 10 good players out of the portal and build a cohesive unit in six months -- it will continue next season.

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Maybe you'll get the hard reset next year you've been hoping for.

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That would require us to change our recruiting strategy, which we have seen no indication of so far.

And I'll believe that revenue sharing solves all of college athletics' myriad problems when I see it.

bear2be2 said:

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Mitch Henessey said:

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bear2be2 said:

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guadalupeoso said:

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bear2be2 said:

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IvanBear said:

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Chucky38 said:

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Its a business man. You can not blame Wright. You can not blame Drew. Baylor does not have the money to compete with the big dogs.

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We were top ten last year, I don't believe this. But I do agree drew isn't treating it like the business it is

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Half of our recruiting pitch these days is hyping the players who leave our program after one year with nothing of note to show for their time in Waco.

When you advertise yourself as a one-year stop off on the way to bigger and better things, you can't be surprised by the clientele you attract.

Tech: "Toughest team wins"
Houston: "If you don't want problems, don't recruit problems."
Baylor: "We'll help you achieve your dreams ... after your one mediocre year here, of course."

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I don't think this is the recruiting pitch at all. The program slogan has and will continue to be JOY. We have been a top 3 seed 4 out of the last 5 years and each of those has been well-deserved. Disappointing results in the tournament, injury luck, poorly constructed rosters have happened - no doubt there are issues. But to think that CSD has just completely forgot how to build a roster or manage a culture is just not true. If that were the case we would be missing the tournament, not winning recruiting battles, not getting transfers, falling off like Kentucky did at the end of the Calipari era. Has not happened yet - although it's been disappointing the last 3 years, we are a long way from hitting the bottom.

Also, all of these one-and-done players that we have gotten were recruited by the same programs that have had better results than us in recent years, i.e. Duke, Kansas, Tennessee, Auburn, etc. We just happened to win the recruiting battle for those guys, so it's a farce to act like we have a recruiting strategy vastly different from everyone else. Our roster construction around some of those recruits has just not panned out. It's complete hindsight is 20/20 to act like our recruiting strategy (as far as elite 1-and-done, NBA prospect talent) has been a miscalculation.

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Our teams have steadily been getting worse and more flawed every year since the national championship. The fall-off is happening in front of our eyes.

And barring something near miraculous -- you can't recruit nine or 10 good players out of the portal and build a cohesive unit in six months -- it will continue next season.

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Maybe you'll get the hard reset next year you've been hoping for.

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That would require us to change our recruiting strategy, which we have seen no indication of so far.

And I'll believe that revenue sharing solves all of college athletics' myriad problems when I see it.

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Amen revenue sharing just injects more money, it won't solve collectives and side deals manipulating the market

IvanBear said:

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I'm more mad at Drew. This isn't happening to other teams, no one loses their entire roster and most important pieces. This is completely indefensible from a coaching perspective.

But cool we'll get another 5 star next year. The word on the street has to be come to baylor to try and look good for the next level not learn to be a better player.

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This is happening to nearly every major team. There are certainly exceptions, like Houston. We were able to push out a few guys who didn't fit the culture. Rob was the one guy who not only fit the culture, but appeared to be content in his role. You honestly believe, what, that Scott Drew is responsible for a toxic environment?

The dude spurned Kentucky and Louisville to stick with a program that struggles to sell out a 7,000 seat arena. He's probably done in a few years and if we aren't able to land Grant McCasland as his replacement, we're in deep ***** Just like the women's program. This is not the time to bail on the men's team.

Yes, I wish Drew would focus on younger 3-star and lower 4-star players who are committed long term. There's been a steep learning curve here, much like what happened when Mark Morefield was pushed out and our recruiting tanked. But they ended up figuring out that player development and cohesion is more valuable to team success than landing as many 5-star and high 4-star players as possible. You also have to realize that basically the entire coaching staff from a few years ago is gone.

Back to the subject of this thread, I remember reading a post earlier this season lamenting the way these players were treated by fans in the NIL/transfer portal era. I argued then that that comes with the territory in the strictly transactional environment of professional sports, and I feel even more strongly about that today.

When players were true student-athletes, I was all for tempering expectations, offering grace and being patient with their on- and off-court development. Those kids were Baylor Bears and deserved to be treated as such. Those days are so long gone it's not funny.

These players are dancing clowns at this point, running figure eights on the circus floor for our amusement and disposable at the end of the day. As a fan, there is no reason whatsoever to invest in these players or teams past the entertainment value they provide you. They certainly don't give a **** about us or our university.

bear2be2 said:

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Mitch Henessey said:

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bear2be2 said:

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guadalupeoso said:

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bear2be2 said:

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IvanBear said:

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Chucky38 said:

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Its a business man. You can not blame Wright. You can not blame Drew. Baylor does not have the money to compete with the big dogs.

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We were top ten last year, I don't believe this. But I do agree drew isn't treating it like the business it is

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Half of our recruiting pitch these days is hyping the players who leave our program after one year with nothing of note to show for their time in Waco.

When you advertise yourself as a one-year stop off on the way to bigger and better things, you can't be surprised by the clientele you attract.

Tech: "Toughest team wins"
Houston: "If you don't want problems, don't recruit problems."
Baylor: "We'll help you achieve your dreams ... after your one mediocre year here, of course."

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I don't think this is the recruiting pitch at all. The program slogan has and will continue to be JOY. We have been a top 3 seed 4 out of the last 5 years and each of those has been well-deserved. Disappointing results in the tournament, injury luck, poorly constructed rosters have happened - no doubt there are issues. But to think that CSD has just completely forgot how to build a roster or manage a culture is just not true. If that were the case we would be missing the tournament, not winning recruiting battles, not getting transfers, falling off like Kentucky did at the end of the Calipari era. Has not happened yet - although it's been disappointing the last 3 years, we are a long way from hitting the bottom.

Also, all of these one-and-done players that we have gotten were recruited by the same programs that have had better results than us in recent years, i.e. Duke, Kansas, Tennessee, Auburn, etc. We just happened to win the recruiting battle for those guys, so it's a farce to act like we have a recruiting strategy vastly different from everyone else. Our roster construction around some of those recruits has just not panned out. It's complete hindsight is 20/20 to act like our recruiting strategy (as far as elite 1-and-done, NBA prospect talent) has been a miscalculation.

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Our teams have steadily been getting worse and more flawed every year since the national championship. The fall-off is happening in front of our eyes.

And barring something near miraculous -- you can't recruit nine or 10 good players out of the portal and build a cohesive unit in six months -- it will continue next season.

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Maybe you'll get the hard reset next year you've been hoping for.

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That would require us to change our recruiting strategy, which we have seen no indication of so far.

And I'll believe that revenue sharing solves all of college athletics' myriad problems when I see it.

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No one, anywhere, on any thread, had said it will solve everything. You're just building straw men at this point.

But having a level playing field and actual rules in place in going to bring more stability. That's not to say we can just go back to the old team building strategy we had monster success with. The staff will have to adjust and tailor the team-building plan around the new landscape. I trust that they will. Acting like nothing changes with more structure, or that we're just clout-chasing instead of trying to win is a real decision on your part, though. Good luck with that.

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Art_E_Guinn said:

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IvanBear said:

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I'm more mad at Drew. This isn't happening to other teams, no one loses their entire roster and most important pieces. This is completely indefensible from a coaching perspective.

But cool we'll get another 5 star next year. The word on the street has to be come to baylor to try and look good for the next level not learn to be a better player.

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This is happening to nearly every major team. There are certainly exceptions, like Houston. We were able to push out a few guys who didn't fit the culture. Rob was the one guy who not only fit the culture, but appeared to be content in his role. You honestly believe, what, that Scott Drew is responsible for a toxic environment?

The dude spurned Kentucky and Louisville to stick with a program that struggles to sell out a 7,000 seat arena. He's probably done in a few years and if we aren't able to land Grant McCasland as his replacement, we're in deep ***** Just like the women's program. This is not the time to bail on the men's team.

Yes, I wish Drew would focus on younger 3-star and lower 4-star players who are committed long term. There's been a steep learning curve here, much like what happened when Mark Morefield was pushed out and our recruiting tanked. But they ended up figuring out that player development and cohesion is more valuable to team success than landing as many 5-star and high 4-star players as possible. You also have to realize that basically the entire coaching staff from a few years ago is gone.

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We don't have a culture, we have no long term players who are developing into leaders and leading this program. Real culture is organic comes from the team. They can't be had with the way Drew has recruited since winning the natty.


Next year everyone will be figuring everything out for the first time, There will be no players to set the tone, know how to interact with the coaches, and leading the team. Lack of leadership has been a problem since Flagler kinda failed to be the leader he needed to be long term (great player but just not a leader). That is the culture problem we have. It's great the old guys come by but none of them will even know these guys or have any cross over. The family culture is imploding because Drew won't protect it.

IowaBear said:

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Why on earth would you even want him back?? **** Rob Wright. Dude was given the keys to the team. Drew and Staff turned away multiple high level transfers for him and he STILL left. I don't care how petty I sound. I hope he faceplants

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You're allowed to be petty. This one stings.

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PaperBear89 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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When you sign prima donnas, expect prima donna behavior.

Our star-chasing culture has come back to completely bite us in the ass.

Houston and Tech recruit and develop dogs. We raise show b1tches.

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THIS!!!! Give me a pissed off 3 star any day of the week.

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One good year from a 3* and they will dart for a NIL bag as well nobody's loyal anymore get that out of yalls heads

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Don't agree entirely. Yes, there are some sociopaths in that group who will jump at first chance, but I do think there is a different character make up between "Everybody wants me" and "These guys gave me an opportunity when others would not." Probably naive, and if so, humanity is generally f-c-ed.

Mitch Henessey said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Mitch Henessey said:

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bear2be2 said:

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guadalupeoso said:

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bear2be2 said:

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IvanBear said:

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Chucky38 said:

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Its a business man. You can not blame Wright. You can not blame Drew. Baylor does not have the money to compete with the big dogs.

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We were top ten last year, I don't believe this. But I do agree drew isn't treating it like the business it is

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Half of our recruiting pitch these days is hyping the players who leave our program after one year with nothing of note to show for their time in Waco.

When you advertise yourself as a one-year stop off on the way to bigger and better things, you can't be surprised by the clientele you attract.

Tech: "Toughest team wins"
Houston: "If you don't want problems, don't recruit problems."
Baylor: "We'll help you achieve your dreams ... after your one mediocre year here, of course."

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I don't think this is the recruiting pitch at all. The program slogan has and will continue to be JOY. We have been a top 3 seed 4 out of the last 5 years and each of those has been well-deserved. Disappointing results in the tournament, injury luck, poorly constructed rosters have happened - no doubt there are issues. But to think that CSD has just completely forgot how to build a roster or manage a culture is just not true. If that were the case we would be missing the tournament, not winning recruiting battles, not getting transfers, falling off like Kentucky did at the end of the Calipari era. Has not happened yet - although it's been disappointing the last 3 years, we are a long way from hitting the bottom.

Also, all of these one-and-done players that we have gotten were recruited by the same programs that have had better results than us in recent years, i.e. Duke, Kansas, Tennessee, Auburn, etc. We just happened to win the recruiting battle for those guys, so it's a farce to act like we have a recruiting strategy vastly different from everyone else. Our roster construction around some of those recruits has just not panned out. It's complete hindsight is 20/20 to act like our recruiting strategy (as far as elite 1-and-done, NBA prospect talent) has been a miscalculation.

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Our teams have steadily been getting worse and more flawed every year since the national championship. The fall-off is happening in front of our eyes.

And barring something near miraculous -- you can't recruit nine or 10 good players out of the portal and build a cohesive unit in six months -- it will continue next season.

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Maybe you'll get the hard reset next year you've been hoping for.

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That would require us to change our recruiting strategy, which we have seen no indication of so far.

And I'll believe that revenue sharing solves all of college athletics' myriad problems when I see it.

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No one, anywhere, on any thread, had said it will solve everything. You're just building straw men at this point.

But having a level playing field and actual rules in place in going to bring more stability. That's not to say we can just go back to the old team building strategy we had monster success with. The staff will have to adjust and tailor the team-building plan around the new landscape. I trust that they will. Acting like nothing changes with more structure, or that we're just clout-chasing instead of trying to win is a real decision on your part, though. Good luck with that.

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I don't think it will ever get off the floor the way people are talking about, so I dismiss the idea out front of any sort of level playing field being created.

I think it's pie in the sky thinking to believe that this revenue sharing plan won't be an abject disaster if it's planned and implemented by the same people who got us where we are today.

If I'm wrong, I'll own it. But I'll believe it when I see it.

bear2be2 said:

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Mitch Henessey said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Mitch Henessey said:

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bear2be2 said:

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guadalupeoso said:

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bear2be2 said:

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IvanBear said:

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Chucky38 said:

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Its a business man. You can not blame Wright. You can not blame Drew. Baylor does not have the money to compete with the big dogs.

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We were top ten last year, I don't believe this. But I do agree drew isn't treating it like the business it is

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Half of our recruiting pitch these days is hyping the players who leave our program after one year with nothing of note to show for their time in Waco.

When you advertise yourself as a one-year stop off on the way to bigger and better things, you can't be surprised by the clientele you attract.

Tech: "Toughest team wins"
Houston: "If you don't want problems, don't recruit problems."
Baylor: "We'll help you achieve your dreams ... after your one mediocre year here, of course."

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I don't think this is the recruiting pitch at all. The program slogan has and will continue to be JOY. We have been a top 3 seed 4 out of the last 5 years and each of those has been well-deserved. Disappointing results in the tournament, injury luck, poorly constructed rosters have happened - no doubt there are issues. But to think that CSD has just completely forgot how to build a roster or manage a culture is just not true. If that were the case we would be missing the tournament, not winning recruiting battles, not getting transfers, falling off like Kentucky did at the end of the Calipari era. Has not happened yet - although it's been disappointing the last 3 years, we are a long way from hitting the bottom.

Also, all of these one-and-done players that we have gotten were recruited by the same programs that have had better results than us in recent years, i.e. Duke, Kansas, Tennessee, Auburn, etc. We just happened to win the recruiting battle for those guys, so it's a farce to act like we have a recruiting strategy vastly different from everyone else. Our roster construction around some of those recruits has just not panned out. It's complete hindsight is 20/20 to act like our recruiting strategy (as far as elite 1-and-done, NBA prospect talent) has been a miscalculation.

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Our teams have steadily been getting worse and more flawed every year since the national championship. The fall-off is happening in front of our eyes.

And barring something near miraculous -- you can't recruit nine or 10 good players out of the portal and build a cohesive unit in six months -- it will continue next season.

---

Maybe you'll get the hard reset next year you've been hoping for.

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That would require us to change our recruiting strategy, which we have seen no indication of so far.

And I'll believe that revenue sharing solves all of college athletics' myriad problems when I see it.

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No one, anywhere, on any thread, had said it will solve everything. You're just building straw men at this point.

But having a level playing field and actual rules in place in going to bring more stability. That's not to say we can just go back to the old team building strategy we had monster success with. The staff will have to adjust and tailor the team-building plan around the new landscape. I trust that they will. Acting like nothing changes with more structure, or that we're just clout-chasing instead of trying to win is a real decision on your part, though. Good luck with that.

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I don't think it will ever get off the floor the way people are talking about, so I dismiss the idea out front of any sort of level playing field being created.

I think it's pie in the sky thinking to believe that this revenue sharing plan won't be an abject disaster if it's planned and implemented by the same people who got us where we are today.

If I'm wrong, I'll own it. But I'll believe it when I see it.

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That's a fair viewpoint to have, I think.

IvanBear said:

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Art_E_Guinn said:

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IvanBear said:

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I'm more mad at Drew. This isn't happening to other teams, no one loses their entire roster and most important pieces. This is completely indefensible from a coaching perspective.

But cool we'll get another 5 star next year. The word on the street has to be come to baylor to try and look good for the next level not learn to be a better player.

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This is happening to nearly every major team. There are certainly exceptions, like Houston. We were able to push out a few guys who didn't fit the culture. Rob was the one guy who not only fit the culture, but appeared to be content in his role. You honestly believe, what, that Scott Drew is responsible for a toxic environment?

The dude spurned Kentucky and Louisville to stick with a program that struggles to sell out a 7,000 seat arena. He's probably done in a few years and if we aren't able to land Grant McCasland as his replacement, we're in deep ***** Just like the women's program. This is not the time to bail on the men's team.

Yes, I wish Drew would focus on younger 3-star and lower 4-star players who are committed long term. There's been a steep learning curve here, much like what happened when Mark Morefield was pushed out and our recruiting tanked. But they ended up figuring out that player development and cohesion is more valuable to team success than landing as many 5-star and high 4-star players as possible. You also have to realize that basically the entire coaching staff from a few years ago is gone.

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We don't have a culture, we have no long term players who are developing into leaders and leading this program. Real culture is organic comes from the team. They can't be had with the way Drew has recruited since winning the natty.


Next year everyone will be figuring everything out for the first time, There will be no players to set the tone, know how to interact with the coaches, and leading the team. Lack of leadership has been a problem since Flagler kinda failed to be the leader he needed to be long term (great player but just not a leader). That is the culture problem we have. It's great the old guys come by but none of them will even know these guys or have any cross over. The family culture is imploding because Drew won't protect it.

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That wasn't on Adam Flagler IMO. That was on allowing Keyonte George to usurp Flagler's on- and off-court leadership by assuming a role he wasn't remotely prepared to hold. But he had to get his minutes and shots up or he might not go as high in the draft as he wanted.

We've been giving prima donnas the keys to our program over program guys since the national title team and are somehow surprised by the baby-**** soft product it has created.

And now we're at rock bottom. We've run literally every program guy out.

I agree, I don't want to blame Flagler, again I almost blame drew more for not realizing he lacked an alpha dog leader for his team and getting that. Flagler isn't an alpha it's unfair to ask him to be he was incredible at his role. Drew not getting leaders on the roster is the real issue - prioritizing stars and meaningless talent over execution.

I don't know this for a fact, but I am assuming that a lot of this has to do with promising a certain amount of minutes or a role on the team. In the case of George, I would assume it was the ability to run point as a starter from day one. I think that is what coach Drew, or Baylor promised a number of our five star recruits. It's tough, I love having talent, but we all know that hasn't lead to success in the tournament.

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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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All you "the players should be paid" people, here you go, it's all yours. Eat it up.

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And those are the same people who say "Other schools were doing it all along and now it's just legal" Bullcrap! Yes, there were and always will be cheaters, but most programs played roughly within the rules. The state of college sports today is because the NCAA got their balls chopped off in court, plain and simple. Now the biggest bag wins. The things coaches used to sell and recruit for -- culture, fit, potential-- don't make a rat's @$$ of difference.

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Exactly right, and what's rich is that these people are the same ones biching the most about it now. They had horse blinders on and couldn't see 2 inches in front of their faces. And now not only does the program culture, fit, and potential not make a difference anymore, the school itself doesn't matter anymore. So why should alumns care? Why should I care about wins that are bought and players that are pure commodities now rather than fellow Baylor students?

DR0941 said:

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Turned down multiple elite guards relying on him staying.
Whos our best option to replace him now? Dude screwed us over so badly.

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Turned down? Really? multiple elite? Who might they be?

I believe Scott Drew will lead us through the current chaos and figure things out. I'm not as sure that the NIL $$$$$$ can continue to flow. I'm glad President Livingstone's NCAA board membership and presidency is ending in August. That entity is a disaster.

Again, per my son, the rumor on campus and off twitter is that Alvin Brooks III and Kentucky are the tampering team, and have been for awhile.

(1) Rob was a lot of fun to watch, and I'm disappointed we won't get to see him next year;
(2) I wish him all the best;
(3) If it wasn't worth it for him to stay her for a little less money as part of a truly unique culture and coach and university, it is probably for the best for the team anyway. They can use that money elsewhere and will.
(4) It stinks to be buying a completely new team next year, but college basketball has become something very close to a university sponsored bad minor league basketball team. Either we can embrace that and enjoy it for what it is or find other hobbies.

Duke has ZERO titles since 2015-16 despite having:
Brandon Ingram
Luke Kennard
Jayson Tatum
Marvin Bagley III
Gary Trent Jr.
Wendell Carter Jr.
Zion Williamson
RJ Barrett
Cam Reddish
Vernon Carey Jr.
Paolo Banchero
Mark Williams
Jared McCain
Cooper Flagg
Kon Knueppel
Khaman…

— Great Day Tar Heel (@GreatDayTarHeel) April 6, 2025

If it's Brooks that's pretty low. Kentucky is hard to pass up, but Drew did. If he goes and falters he better be prepared for next level scrutiny. That fan base is ruthless.

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Again, per my son, the rumor on campus and off twitter is that Alvin Brooks III and Kentucky are the tampering team, and have been for awhile.

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Losing Brooks which many myself included thought was a good thing, may turn out to be one of the biggest disasters.

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Turned down multiple elite guards relying on him staying.
Whos our best option to replace him now? Dude screwed us over so badly.

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Turned down? Really? multiple elite? Who might they be?

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Would love to know I don't think there are multiple elite guards in the portal this year.

At this point, I'm not mad at Drew for only going after one year rentals since that seems to be what would happen if we go after underclassmen anyway. Maybe we somehow upgrade at the PG spot for next year and land someone like Xaivian Lee? I can only hope….

Wow... I am late the party on this one. I thought he was the key returning player for next season. I guess not. He would have been fun to watch. I guess time to move on and use his money on multiple players and some depth.

There's multiple elite guards yearly… and often times they come from small schools

If he signed a contract why was it so easy for him to get out of? What is the point of the contract?

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If he signed a contract why was it so easy for him to get out of? What is the point of the contract?

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NIL can't be paid based on playing. That's how

We get some recruits who we plan to be 2-3 year players and we lose them: Sochan, Missi, and now Bob.

We get one year rentals and everyone freaks out about culture and roster turnover.

I would like to build a team like Houston but CSD has had some bad luck along with some roster construction mistakes. If a collective from Kentucky or Duke reached out and said we will 2x whatever Baylor is offering there's not much we can do. We have deep pockets but those schools can outbid damn near anyone when it comes to basketball.

It's frustrating and I'm not criticizing anyone's opinions here but I'm not seeing any great answers because there aren't any. Construct a team of 1 year players and hope they gel come March? Risky and may create depth issues. Create a team of hungry 3* and 4* guys? They may end up bouncing like Bob or blowing up like Sochan and Missi and leaving early.

Dubravcic and Asemota were supposed to be dudes we coach up and they hit the portal. Iowa State had a deep team and some of those guys hit the portal for more minutes and money. It's a completely different ball game out there with no rules except when the actual game of basketball is being played.

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If he signed a contract why was it so easy for him to get out of? What is the point of the contract?

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It may have to be addressed contractually at some point, but the problem is, some of these kids are only 17 when they're making their decision which makes a contract voidable. Pro sports athletes are bound by their long-term contracts, but I don't know if there is the appetite to bind such young men to these type of contracts. It looks like most players are essentially operating under one year deals and are free to do whatever they want year to year. No sports league can really operate well or fairly with everyone being a free agent every year, but college basketball is trying to do just that.