Edgecombe...'I hate college basketball '

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Stefano DiMera
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On Paul George's podcast.

Interesting comment about Drew also..

https://www.instagram.com/p/DMsmZgUMlIy/?img_index=2&igsh=MW5kaDR2NGU3dzlqZA==
Mitch Henessey
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Clickbait. I'll have to listen to the actual context before I form an opinion. But what is posted in that Instagram link is pure clickbait.
Stefano DiMera
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If you scroll to the third or fourth screen you get the audio.
historian
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So what did he say about Drew?
“Incline my heart to your testimonies, and not to selfish gain!”
Psalm 119:36
Stefano DiMera
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That Drew is really big into analytics...so he doesn't like the mid range shots ..he believes in layups...dunks .and three pointers..

Which kinda contradicts his statement of hating college basketball because of all the bodies in the lane....all the NBA is now is dunks and 3s.
thebrandonlamar
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Our local HS coach where my son just graduated coaches the same way (I coach the JV and varsity in the summer so I coach the same way too). You score in the paint or you shoot from 3, those are the options. It's not as novel as it once was.
TWD 1974
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Stefano DiMera said:

That Drew is really big into analytics...so he doesn't like the mid range shots ..he believes in layups...dunks .and three pointers..

Which kinda contradicts his statement of hating college basketball because of all the bodies in the lane....all the NBA is now is dunks and 3s.

There is more space in the pro game for a player like VJ. I think he will do well with developing the mid range jumper. Also, scouts see him as becoming much more of a ball handler in the pros. I agree that the league is a lot about 3s and dunks, but when the NBA starts getting serious (playoffs) the better teams know they can take out a scorer who has only a couple of spots on the floor where he likes to shoot. Paul George is right, not having a mid range shot means they know you have to take it to the rim.
“No eye has seen, no ear has heard, and no mind has imagined what God has prepared for those who love Him.” 1 Corinthians 2:9
historian
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It might not happen often, but Baylor players do take midrange shots too.
“Incline my heart to your testimonies, and not to selfish gain!”
Psalm 119:36
Stefano DiMera
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Yep ..and you saw with a team that went farther than anyone thought...the Pacers...how they depend on the midrange jumper.

Carlisle coaches a master class in offense in these playoffs.
Chuckroast
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Our championship team took plenty of floaters and turnaround jumpers around the lane. Maybe what this refers to is the longer 2 pt jump shot
TWD 1974
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Chuckroast said:

Our championship team took plenty of floaters and turnaround jumpers around the lane. Maybe what this refers to is the longer 2 pt jump shot

Mid-range jumper normally refers to a shot 10-15ft. shot, from just beyond the lane to the 3 pt. lane. Any Michael Jordon highlight video of game-winning shots will give you the idea. Michael was never that great a 3pt shooter. His speed and verticality meant you had to stay home and guard the rim, which left the 15 footer as the potential game winner. I'm not suggesting VJ is the next MJ, but I use his examples because there are similarities to the way they play.

The 2021 team was able to spread the defense so effectively because they were like a pro team in that they had 3 guys on the floor that could kill you with the 3. If you are going for the jumper at the foul line or just beyond it when playing a top level defense, you are shooting over shot blockers. As good as those guys on the NC team were, they didn't have the size or verticality to make the 12 footer against heavy traffic.
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Crawfoso1973
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Chuckroast said:

Our championship team took plenty of floaters and turnaround jumpers around the lane. Maybe what this refers to is the longer 2 pt jump shot

Yes all of our guards were so elite at hitting those little runners and floaters and were especially adept at using the glass. All 5 of them including Flagler and Cryer.
Chucky38
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And SGA just won the MVP and the NBA Championship hitting mid range jump shots all day.
Robert Wilson
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thebrandonlamar said:

Our local HS coach where my son just graduated coaches the same way (I coach the JV and varsity in the summer so I coach the same way too). You score in the paint or you shoot from 3, those are the options. It's not as novel as it once was.

I can appreciate that from an analytics standpoint if you isolate just production, all things being equal. I think what that misses is that you're no longer forcing the defense to defend the entire floor. You eliminate the mid-range shot from your game, and your analytics over time are going to change based on defensive adjustments.
DallasBear9902
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Robert Wilson said:

thebrandonlamar said:

Our local HS coach where my son just graduated coaches the same way (I coach the JV and varsity in the summer so I coach the same way too). You score in the paint or you shoot from 3, those are the options. It's not as novel as it once was.

I can appreciate that from an analytics standpoint if you isolate just production, all things being equal. I think what that misses is that you're no longer forcing the defense to defend the entire floor. You eliminate the mid-range shot from your game, and your analytics over time are going to change based on defensive adjustments.


Not really. By spacing shooters corner to corner and the threat of the drive from all spots the defense is forced to cover the entire floor. Especially when you can use ball screens to get favorable matchups on the perimeter. Defenses can try to gimmick and explicitly give up the midrange. Recall, Gonzaga got our lead down to 10 before half in the National Championship game with their spread out 3-2. It took us half a dozen possessions to figure it out, but then Macio Teague settled in around the foul line and put an end to that strategy. Mark Few didn't try it in the second half.

The weakness with giving up the midrange is that a good shooting team will make you pay at the three point line but it will absolutely crush you in the midrange. So you are already forced to defend it by virtue of defending all the way out to the three point line.

If what you're saying is that the midrange is becoming undervalued and some guys will moneyball value out of the midrange, well, SGA combined the midrange with his foul merchant ways to an MVP Award. I don't know if it is as effective without the quick whistle.

My kids' club program is run by a high school coaching staff and they've been preaching "no long twos, threes and layups are what we want" since my youngest was in fourth grade. So my guess is this has been the mantra on the high school coaches convention/clinics for years.
BluesBear
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I would pull that kid from that club then....
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