Jack Bauer said:
FWIW.
LSU getting beat by 18 by Ohio State in 3q.
Mulkey wearing another unique outfit ...
Whittled from 24 to 20.
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Whittled from 24 to 20.
Brian Ethridge said:Jack Bauer said:
FWIW.
LSU getting beat by 18 by Ohio State in 3q.
Mulkey wearing another unique outfit ...
Whittled from 24 to 20.
Got it down to 11 Ohio St shot the ball incredibly well. They also ran a full court press from the tip. I hope they take down the whorns next.
The 3s were falling.
Fun game.
Fun game.
LSU had a tough shooting night and Ohio State was dropping them from way outside the arc, especially two of their guards. They were just money and pushed it out to a 22pt lead.
To LSU's credit, they didn't give.up and got it to single digits.
But OSU got the stops they needed and wrapped it up.
Classic Mulkey - bling, fire, passion, class. She knows they overacheived but she had them believing and got it turned around from 9 win team to a second rounder. Loved the way she greeted the other coach and team after the game.
Mulk personally bought out the student section so kids could attend for free.
Moon's done, Mulk's done, MBB & WBB are done. Pleased with them all.
How is our baseball team? Golf in season? Need me some Baylor sports.
Sic'em!
To LSU's credit, they didn't give.up and got it to single digits.
But OSU got the stops they needed and wrapped it up.
Classic Mulkey - bling, fire, passion, class. She knows they overacheived but she had them believing and got it turned around from 9 win team to a second rounder. Loved the way she greeted the other coach and team after the game.
Mulk personally bought out the student section so kids could attend for free.
Moon's done, Mulk's done, MBB & WBB are done. Pleased with them all.
How is our baseball team? Golf in season? Need me some Baylor sports.
Sic'em!
Gee, and I was hoping to get on board with CNC. I guess we're supposed to choose sides in this divorce. The OP does CNC no favorsAdriacus Peratuun said:
With Baylor WBB winning the regular season B12 and reaching the finals in the B12 Tourney, the members of Team Mulkey are wiggling to explain themselves.
Reality: everything that the haters have been spewing since last Spring has been publicly proven to be utter nonsense. The Clan of the Clueless are trying to dance away from their idiotic positions but the internet is forever.
Reality: Coach Collen inherited a roster mess. She inherited 7 players and was able to obtain 2 more players at the late date. One of the inherited players was a complete malcontent. The staff succeeded anyway.
Reality: despite the limited numbers, the team was able to grow and thrive. despite the limited numbers, the staff was able to manage minutes in a workable manner.
Reality: Coach Collen inherited an incredibly undersized roster. Last year, the perimeter defenders were 6'1 Richards, 5'11 Carrington, and 5'6 Ursin (who could really jump). This year the perimeter defenders are 5'5, 5'5, and 5'6. None are great leapers. That lack of size causes defensive rotation issues, rebounding issues, and the rebounding issues impact the ability to create transition offense. The team nevertheless succeeded.
Reality: the staff was installing an entirely new style of offense. The new offense works. Allowing the posts players to catch the ball (1) on the move and (2) in space at the elbow, in the short corner, and at the mid post eliminates many of the constant double teams they faced last season. The idiots complaining about the O in December are rewriting history now.
Reality: the staff was installing a new defense, and it isn't the D they want to run. The roster is far too small to run the preferred Switch Everything Perimeter D. And if they ran Mulkey's switch nothing, go over every screen, soft show D……well that would be a disaster [still give up open 3s and wouldn't have any size on post help]. So the staff has done a nice job creating a Frankenstein D……sometimes over screens, sometimes under, sometimes switch. Sometime soft show, sometimes show, sometimes hedge, sometimes hard hedge. The team generally does a nice job making the right reads [Egbo continues to have issues].
Reality: Coach Collen has faced numerous hateful people in Waco. A Baylor coach going to lunch in Waco shouldn't have to listen to crap from the Angry Army of the former coach.
Reality: the staff obtained a Top 10 recruiting class is a super short window. The staff is fixing the damaged relationships with multiple summer programs left by Mulkey.
Reality: scheduling isn't easy when smaller schools who play for the $$$ are told that scheduling Baylor means that LSU is no longer an option. Spiteful nonsense.
Reality: one side honestly follows the term of the separation agreement, one doesn't. The term guardhouse lawyer comes to mind.
Reality: many of the "I was wrong about Coach Collen" crowd only admit their error in conclusion but conveniently ignore the false statements that their conclusions were built upon, ignore the personal attacks they made toward anyone whom disagreed with their nonsense, and ignore the false data that they cited.
Reality: the same people that make idiotic comments about this staff's game attire willingly ignored the garish choices of the past.
Reality: throughout the entire Baylor athletic department, the happy dance continues. Addition by subtraction. The new staff is a great bonus. Everyone rowing together in the same direction and liking the people around them is a solid change.
Reality: the changes aren't even one year into the process. Imagine the progress by year 3.
Reality: ask former players what they think. Ask other Baylor coaches what they think [privately]. Ask the Admin [privately] what they think. Ask the coaches of Summer programs what they think.
Reality: look at the budget position.
Reality: the Clueless Clan owes a ton of public apologies. And not basic "I was wrong" apologies but detailed "here are the hundreds of ways that I was wrong and acted like an ass towards folks that knew much more than me" apologies.
Get started.
Anybody have the Cliff Notes?
We had a good coach. We probably have a good coachTimbear said:
Anybody have the Cliff Notes?
Osodecentx said:We had a good coach. We probably have a good coachTimbear said:
Anybody have the Cliff Notes?
We had great coach. We might have a great coach. No internet in Korea.
Can't wait until we talk less and less about KM other than the very occasional reference. Although I wish the Bears would have advanced further, I'm glad that both teams went out in the same round. That gives the anti-Collen crowd less ammunition and less vitriol to use. Now that this season is done, fans of both teams/coaches can hopefully go their separate ways more and more. I respect and appreciate what KM did for Baylor during her time here, but it's time for everyone to move on. It's clear that both KM and NC can coach, and let's just leave it at that.
Wise words Bearprof, my thoughts exactly
I ain't quite as dumb as I seem
-- (P.C. 1974)
-- (P.C. 1974)
There is a post on the Boneyard where other teams fans opine on whether or not Baylor would have gone further in the tournament with KM.
https://the-boneyard.com/threads/poll-would-baylor-have-won-if-kim-mulkey-was-still-the-head-coach.180106/
https://the-boneyard.com/threads/poll-would-baylor-have-won-if-kim-mulkey-was-still-the-head-coach.180106/
I agree.Bearprof said:
Can't wait until we talk less and less about KM other than the very occasional reference. Although I wish the Bears would have advanced further, I'm glad that both teams went out in the same round. That gives the anti-Collen crowd less ammunition and less vitriol to use. Now that this season is done, fans of both teams/coaches can hopefully go their separate ways more and more. I respect and appreciate what KM did for Baylor during her time here, but it's time for everyone to move on. It's clear that both KM and NC can coach, and let's just leave it at that.
Hope the author of the OP reads your post
Okay, that's an interesting take. Why would fans of Baylor WBB be anxious to distance themselves from HOF coach Kim Mulkey, the singular person who built Baylor WBB into a national power? IMO, Baylor should be praising Kim Mulkey, naming a building and erecting a statue. Arguably, she played a big part in saving Baylor sports when things were low. You might remember how Mulkey spoke after the 2005 championship and rallied everyone toward the idea that any program at Baylor could win a national championship. It sounded ludicrous at the time, but see where we are now.Bearprof said:
Can't wait until we talk less and less about KM other than the very occasional reference. Although I wish the Bears would have advanced further, I'm glad that both teams went out in the same round. That gives the anti-Collen crowd less ammunition and less vitriol to use. Now that this season is done, fans of both teams/coaches can hopefully go their separate ways more and more. I respect and appreciate what KM did for Baylor during her time here, but it's time for everyone to move on. It's clear that both KM and NC can coach, and let's just leave it at that.
Wow, if only the posters on our own site could discuss this comparison as level-headed and amicably as these outsiders.uglytobone said:
There is a post on the Boneyard where other teams fans opine on whether or not Baylor would have gone further in the tournament with KM.
https://the-boneyard.com/threads/poll-would-baylor-have-won-if-kim-mulkey-was-still-the-head-coach.180106/
I suspect we would have gone farther, but not because CNC is here and KM was not. I suspect we would have gone farther because we would not have had the depth problem, which is what I think finally did us in. A much fresher Baylor team would have beaten SD.....and probably UT in the conference tournament.uglytobone said:
There is a post on the Boneyard where other teams fans opine on whether or not Baylor would have gone further in the tournament with KM.
https://the-boneyard.com/threads/poll-would-baylor-have-won-if-kim-mulkey-was-still-the-head-coach.180106/
Which coach would have taken us farther with the roster we thought we were going to have? No way to know. We know Kim's teams have trouble with 3 point shooting teams and it seems that you run into that more and more now. That cannot be denied. Earlier than should have been NCAA exits in the past against Oregon State (twice), Louisville (still almost overcame) and almost South Dakota State provide ample evidence of that, and was apparent again with LSU's loss last night. We don't have enough evidence with Collen yet as to whether this will be a lingering problem or that is just the way it is. UT was able to shut down Utah, so it can be done. Perhaps with bigger guards and more consistent 3-point shooters of our own, we can overcome that history. I sure hope so.
Griz, I think in most cases you honor the people that retired from where they built that legacy. I think you see that in business all the time. As much as you appreciate a person for what they did there, I think it is rare indeed to see the honors you mention to be bestowed on someone that left of their own accord with no apparent professional need to do so, especially when there was no laid-out exit plan to insure a transition that doesn't have the potential to bring the whole thing down and then is now competing against you for talent.GrizBear said:Okay, that's an interesting take. Why would fans of Baylor WBB be anxious to distance themselves from HOF coach Kim Mulkey, the singular person who built Baylor WBB into a national power? IMO, Baylor should be praising Kim Mulkey, naming a building and erecting a statue. Arguably, she played a big part in saving Baylor sports when things were low. You might remember how Mulkey spoke after the 2005 championship and rallied everyone toward the idea that any program at Baylor could win a national championship. It sounded ludicrous at the time, but see where we are now.Bearprof said:
Can't wait until we talk less and less about KM other than the very occasional reference. Although I wish the Bears would have advanced further, I'm glad that both teams went out in the same round. That gives the anti-Collen crowd less ammunition and less vitriol to use. Now that this season is done, fans of both teams/coaches can hopefully go their separate ways more and more. I respect and appreciate what KM did for Baylor during her time here, but it's time for everyone to move on. It's clear that both KM and NC can coach, and let's just leave it at that.
It would be interesting to see Duke's reaction if Coach K had everyone believing that he would stay for his entire career and then a few years ago had just bolted to Kentucky, let's say, leaving Duke flapping in the breeze. That could also be seen the same for the iconic women's coaches (Tara, Gino, Pat, Muffet, etc.). There are not a lot of data points out there. You just don't see someone at a place 20 years with the success KM had here and with the love of the fans that just up and leaves. We can't even know for sure or agree on why she left.
Why would some want to distance themselves and let her go? Well it is not exactly the same thing, but it heavily rhymes with the feeling she had toward A&M after their out of the blue bolt to the SEC.
My wife and I traveled with the team during the 2005 run to Tempe and then onto Indianapolis. The few of us that were in Tempe were in the same hotel and attended the team functions that were outside of practice. We saw a young energetic, grateful for the opportunity coach that endeared many people to her, including us. In NC, I see the perspective I saw from Kim in 2005. Grateful for what Kim did for Baylor while she was here, but since this has occurred I am extremely happy in what we have with NC.
Thanks for this. Interesting to see other fan bases weigh in on this topic. I generally like to see Connecticut lose...and hope they do not make it to the Final Four---however, they have a very informed fan base on all things WBB, not just their own team.uglytobone said:
There is a post on the Boneyard where other teams fans opine on whether or not Baylor would have gone further in the tournament with KM.
https://the-boneyard.com/threads/poll-would-baylor-have-won-if-kim-mulkey-was-still-the-head-coach.180106/
GrizBear
"Okay, that's an interesting take. Why would fans of Baylor WBB be anxious to distance themselves from HOF coach Kim Mulkey, the singular person who built Baylor WBB into a national power? IMO, Baylor should be praising Kim Mulkey, naming a building and erecting a statue. Arguably, she played a big part in saving Baylor sports when things were low. You might remember how Mulkey spoke after the 2005 championship and rallied everyone toward the idea that any program at Baylor could win a national championship. It sounded ludicrous at the time, but see where we are now."
I don't think it's about distancing ourselves from the accomplishments that KM had in the past. However, they are now in the past. It's that the anti-Collen crowd just assumed that with the roster that NC was left with, KM would have done much better. There is zero evidence, if past is prologue, that this would have been the case. There was going to be zero front court depth this year no matter who the coach was going to be (that's on KM), so there had to be a much greater emphasis on the back court and outside shooting... Egbo is a 4 playing a 5. There's your post players this year. That's it.
I hope there is significant recognition (statue, huge plaque, whatever) for KM after she retires and returns to Waco to be near her grandchildren. However, she chose to leave BU, not the other way around. That will forever taint her Baylor legacy. Those are the facts. It's not about distancing from her. It's about recognizing the excellent staff we have now and the skill and expertise which got this program yet another Big 12 Championship. They could have caved, but didn't, and Smith, Andrews, Bickle, and Owens improved significantly from past years. I hope KM has success, and I don't wish her ill at all. But she's not here anymore. That's what I mean about moving on.
"Okay, that's an interesting take. Why would fans of Baylor WBB be anxious to distance themselves from HOF coach Kim Mulkey, the singular person who built Baylor WBB into a national power? IMO, Baylor should be praising Kim Mulkey, naming a building and erecting a statue. Arguably, she played a big part in saving Baylor sports when things were low. You might remember how Mulkey spoke after the 2005 championship and rallied everyone toward the idea that any program at Baylor could win a national championship. It sounded ludicrous at the time, but see where we are now."
I don't think it's about distancing ourselves from the accomplishments that KM had in the past. However, they are now in the past. It's that the anti-Collen crowd just assumed that with the roster that NC was left with, KM would have done much better. There is zero evidence, if past is prologue, that this would have been the case. There was going to be zero front court depth this year no matter who the coach was going to be (that's on KM), so there had to be a much greater emphasis on the back court and outside shooting... Egbo is a 4 playing a 5. There's your post players this year. That's it.
I hope there is significant recognition (statue, huge plaque, whatever) for KM after she retires and returns to Waco to be near her grandchildren. However, she chose to leave BU, not the other way around. That will forever taint her Baylor legacy. Those are the facts. It's not about distancing from her. It's about recognizing the excellent staff we have now and the skill and expertise which got this program yet another Big 12 Championship. They could have caved, but didn't, and Smith, Andrews, Bickle, and Owens improved significantly from past years. I hope KM has success, and I don't wish her ill at all. But she's not here anymore. That's what I mean about moving on.
AP is my favorite poster. Welcome back!
I read these boards for inside scoop from people who know more than I do. I find it very interesting that we are being negatively recruited against and that some are not abiding by separation agreements. Would love to hear more...
Extremely thankful for the fun that Mulkey's teams provided but I don't miss her antics. I love everything about Coach Nicki and it's pretty extraordinary what they accomplished this year under the circumstances.
I will admit early in the year I never thought a B12 Title would be possible.
Excited now to see how recruiting unfolds. Sic'em!
I read these boards for inside scoop from people who know more than I do. I find it very interesting that we are being negatively recruited against and that some are not abiding by separation agreements. Would love to hear more...
Extremely thankful for the fun that Mulkey's teams provided but I don't miss her antics. I love everything about Coach Nicki and it's pretty extraordinary what they accomplished this year under the circumstances.
I will admit early in the year I never thought a B12 Title would be possible.
Excited now to see how recruiting unfolds. Sic'em!
She left BU, it isn't obvious to me whose legacy is tainted.Bearprof said:
However, she chose to leave BU, not the other way around. That will forever taint her Baylor legacy. Those are the facts. It's not about distancing from her.
I want to be on the CNC team, but these anti-CKM posts are a problem. I'm just one person, so no big deal.
Trying to elevate CNC by tearing down CKM in Waco doesn't help anyone.
Very well said...I think those folks who think they are helping CNC by putting down Kim are just making it worse.Osodecentx said:She left BU, it isn't obvious to me whose legacy is tainted.Bearprof said:
However, she chose to leave BU, not the other way around. That will forever taint her Baylor legacy. Those are the facts. It's not about distancing from her.
I want to be on the CNC team, but these anti-CKM posts are a problem. I'm just one person, so no big deal.
Trying to elevate CNC by tearing down CKM in Waco doesn't help anyone.
Glad for WBB success in Big12 Conference. Season is over and will be looking forward to the next. Referencing a post from an early thread back when the previous coach left... anxiously awaiting to see IF BU is a "Destination School", "Elite Program", "not worried, we're not going anywhere!" Today starts a whole new ball game.
LMFAO. When the Mulkey Army attacks the new staff and someone dares to point out the myriad of issues inherited, overcome, and continuing for the new staff……….the new talking point is "you are harming CNC".
Again, LMFAO.
The new staff inherited 7 players. Fact.
1 sophomore, 1 junior, & the remainder were seniors or COVID super seniors. Fact.
Simply having healthy bodies to practice & play was an endeavor. Fact.
The new staff performed admirably achieving a B12 regular season title. Fact.
Recognizing indisputable facts is being realistic. Acknowledging the hurdles overcome/being faced isn't an attack. The only attack is what has been done to the current staff.
The new staff can never be fairly evaluated and recognized until the true state of the program they inherited is accepted. Despite on court success, the then existing off court issues in recruiting, athletic department cohesion, etc. were significant. The new staff has done an admirable job given what they inherited. Those realities aren't attacks. They are acknowledgments.
Again, LMFAO.
The new staff inherited 7 players. Fact.
1 sophomore, 1 junior, & the remainder were seniors or COVID super seniors. Fact.
Simply having healthy bodies to practice & play was an endeavor. Fact.
The new staff performed admirably achieving a B12 regular season title. Fact.
Recognizing indisputable facts is being realistic. Acknowledging the hurdles overcome/being faced isn't an attack. The only attack is what has been done to the current staff.
The new staff can never be fairly evaluated and recognized until the true state of the program they inherited is accepted. Despite on court success, the then existing off court issues in recruiting, athletic department cohesion, etc. were significant. The new staff has done an admirable job given what they inherited. Those realities aren't attacks. They are acknowledgments.
Whose attacking the new staff? The only people I see doing any attacking are those choosing to attack Kim in order to talk up CNC which isn't needed contrary to believe we can all talk CNC up without tearing down the coach who literally built BU WBB
I don't know whether they are delusional or dishonest some of both I suppose?
So when can they be fairly evaluated ? After the 22-23 season ? After the 23-24 season ? After the 24-25 season ? Just want to know when it's okay and it'll stop being all KM fault.Adriacus Peratuun said:
LMFAO. When the Mulkey Army attacks the new staff and someone dares to point out the myriad of issues inherited, overcome, and continuing for the new staff……….the new talking point is "you are harming CNC".
Again, LMFAO.
The new staff inherited 7 players. Fact.
1 sophomore, 1 junior, & the remainder were seniors or COVID super seniors. Fact.
Simply having healthy bodies to practice & play was an endeavor. Fact.
The new staff performed admirably achieving a B12 regular season title. Fact.
Recognizing indisputable facts is being realistic. Acknowledging the hurdles overcome/being faced isn't an attack. The only attack is what has been done to the current staff.
The new staff can never be fairly evaluated and recognized until the true state of the program they inherited is accepted. Despite on court success, the then existing off court issues in recruiting, athletic department cohesion, etc. were significant. The new staff has done an admirable job given what they inherited. Those realities aren't attacks. They are acknowledgments.
I've wondered if AP is a UT plant posting here to sow dissensionbaylor1984 said:So when can they be fairly evaluated ? After the 22-23 season ? After the 23-24 season ? After the 24-25 season ? Just want to know when it's okay and it'll stop being all KM fault.Adriacus Peratuun said:
LMFAO. When the Mulkey Army attacks the new staff and someone dares to point out the myriad of issues inherited, overcome, and continuing for the new staff……….the new talking point is "you are harming CNC".
Again, LMFAO.
The new staff inherited 7 players. Fact.
1 sophomore, 1 junior, & the remainder were seniors or COVID super seniors. Fact.
Simply having healthy bodies to practice & play was an endeavor. Fact.
The new staff performed admirably achieving a B12 regular season title. Fact.
Recognizing indisputable facts is being realistic. Acknowledging the hurdles overcome/being faced isn't an attack. The only attack is what has been done to the current staff.
The new staff can never be fairly evaluated and recognized until the true state of the program they inherited is accepted. Despite on court success, the then existing off court issues in recruiting, athletic department cohesion, etc. were significant. The new staff has done an admirable job given what they inherited. Those realities aren't attacks. They are acknowledgments.
Doubt he'll answer that way he can keep moving the goalposts and assessing blame to KM no matter what. She'll be gone from Baylor for many years and he'd find a way to pin it on her.Osodecentx said:I've wondered if AP is a UT plant posting here to sow dissensionbaylor1984 said:So when can they be fairly evaluated ? After the 22-23 season ? After the 23-24 season ? After the 24-25 season ? Just want to know when it's okay and it'll stop being all KM fault.Adriacus Peratuun said:
LMFAO. When the Mulkey Army attacks the new staff and someone dares to point out the myriad of issues inherited, overcome, and continuing for the new staff……….the new talking point is "you are harming CNC".
Again, LMFAO.
The new staff inherited 7 players. Fact.
1 sophomore, 1 junior, & the remainder were seniors or COVID super seniors. Fact.
Simply having healthy bodies to practice & play was an endeavor. Fact.
The new staff performed admirably achieving a B12 regular season title. Fact.
Recognizing indisputable facts is being realistic. Acknowledging the hurdles overcome/being faced isn't an attack. The only attack is what has been done to the current staff.
The new staff can never be fairly evaluated and recognized until the true state of the program they inherited is accepted. Despite on court success, the then existing off court issues in recruiting, athletic department cohesion, etc. were significant. The new staff has done an admirable job given what they inherited. Those realities aren't attacks. They are acknowledgments.
SMH……how many Baylor games did you attend at the HOT Horse Barn? I was Baylor long before you.Osodecentx said:I've wondered if AP is a UT plant posting here to sow dissensionbaylor1984 said:So when can they be fairly evaluated ? After the 22-23 season ? After the 23-24 season ? After the 24-25 season ? Just want to know when it's okay and it'll stop being all KM fault.Adriacus Peratuun said:
LMFAO. When the Mulkey Army attacks the new staff and someone dares to point out the myriad of issues inherited, overcome, and continuing for the new staff……….the new talking point is "you are harming CNC".
Again, LMFAO.
The new staff inherited 7 players. Fact.
1 sophomore, 1 junior, & the remainder were seniors or COVID super seniors. Fact.
Simply having healthy bodies to practice & play was an endeavor. Fact.
The new staff performed admirably achieving a B12 regular season title. Fact.
Recognizing indisputable facts is being realistic. Acknowledging the hurdles overcome/being faced isn't an attack. The only attack is what has been done to the current staff.
The new staff can never be fairly evaluated and recognized until the true state of the program they inherited is accepted. Despite on court success, the then existing off court issues in recruiting, athletic department cohesion, etc. were significant. The new staff has done an admirable job given what they inherited. Those realities aren't attacks. They are acknowledgments.
If you're talking to me plenty of games. Hell I was the janitor at Lake Air Mall for 3 years while I was at Baylor.
Weak. Weak.baylor1984 said:Doubt he'll answer that way he can keep moving the goalposts and assessing blame to KM no matter what. She'll be gone from Baylor for many years and he'd find a way to pin it on her.Osodecentx said:I've wondered if AP is a UT plant posting here to sow dissensionbaylor1984 said:So when can they be fairly evaluated ? After the 22-23 season ? After the 23-24 season ? After the 24-25 season ? Just want to know when it's okay and it'll stop being all KM fault.Adriacus Peratuun said:
LMFAO. When the Mulkey Army attacks the new staff and someone dares to point out the myriad of issues inherited, overcome, and continuing for the new staff……….the new talking point is "you are harming CNC".
Again, LMFAO.
The new staff inherited 7 players. Fact.
1 sophomore, 1 junior, & the remainder were seniors or COVID super seniors. Fact.
Simply having healthy bodies to practice & play was an endeavor. Fact.
The new staff performed admirably achieving a B12 regular season title. Fact.
Recognizing indisputable facts is being realistic. Acknowledging the hurdles overcome/being faced isn't an attack. The only attack is what has been done to the current staff.
The new staff can never be fairly evaluated and recognized until the true state of the program they inherited is accepted. Despite on court success, the then existing off court issues in recruiting, athletic department cohesion, etc. were significant. The new staff has done an admirable job given what they inherited. Those realities aren't attacks. They are acknowledgments.
Generally in BB 3 "full" recruiting cycles makes a program "belong" to the new coach absent some extenuating circumstances. Scott Drew had extenuating circumstances.
Baylor WBB will truly be Collen's program [to fairly evaluate her] when the bulk of the roster are her recruits. That said, the Transfer Portal is accelerating timelines for Admins and Fans. Maybe fairly, maybe not.
Next season will likely be the first season where she has the size to play the preferred D schemes. First season in any scheme [O or D] is a steep learning curve.
2024-2025 [possibly one year sooner] will likely be the "this is what she built" season. Obviously, injuries/conference realignment/NCAA rules [do we see men playing WBB?]/etc. can all change the dynamic.
Another anonymous internet toughie. I'll see your BS and raise it.Adriacus Peratuun said:SMH……how many Baylor games did you attend at the HOT Horse Barn? I was Baylor long before you.Osodecentx said:I've wondered if AP is a UT plant posting here to sow dissensionbaylor1984 said:So when can they be fairly evaluated ? After the 22-23 season ? After the 23-24 season ? After the 24-25 season ? Just want to know when it's okay and it'll stop being all KM fault.Adriacus Peratuun said:
LMFAO. When the Mulkey Army attacks the new staff and someone dares to point out the myriad of issues inherited, overcome, and continuing for the new staff……….the new talking point is "you are harming CNC".
Again, LMFAO.
The new staff inherited 7 players. Fact.
1 sophomore, 1 junior, & the remainder were seniors or COVID super seniors. Fact.
Simply having healthy bodies to practice & play was an endeavor. Fact.
The new staff performed admirably achieving a B12 regular season title. Fact.
Recognizing indisputable facts is being realistic. Acknowledging the hurdles overcome/being faced isn't an attack. The only attack is what has been done to the current staff.
The new staff can never be fairly evaluated and recognized until the true state of the program they inherited is accepted. Despite on court success, the then existing off court issues in recruiting, athletic department cohesion, etc. were significant. The new staff has done an admirable job given what they inherited. Those realities aren't attacks. They are acknowledgments.
I'm knew Judge Baylor. He was a friend of mine. Tryon ate Sunday lunch with us.
I attended games at Marrs McLean
Adriacus Peratuun said:Weak. Weak.baylor1984 said:Doubt he'll answer that way he can keep moving the goalposts and assessing blame to KM no matter what. She'll be gone from Baylor for many years and he'd find a way to pin it on her.Osodecentx said:I've wondered if AP is a UT plant posting here to sow dissensionbaylor1984 said:So when can they be fairly evaluated ? After the 22-23 season ? After the 23-24 season ? After the 24-25 season ? Just want to know when it's okay and it'll stop being all KM fault.Adriacus Peratuun said:
LMFAO. When the Mulkey Army attacks the new staff and someone dares to point out the myriad of issues inherited, overcome, and continuing for the new staff……….the new talking point is "you are harming CNC".
Again, LMFAO.
The new staff inherited 7 players. Fact.
1 sophomore, 1 junior, & the remainder were seniors or COVID super seniors. Fact.
Simply having healthy bodies to practice & play was an endeavor. Fact.
The new staff performed admirably achieving a B12 regular season title. Fact.
Recognizing indisputable facts is being realistic. Acknowledging the hurdles overcome/being faced isn't an attack. The only attack is what has been done to the current staff.
The new staff can never be fairly evaluated and recognized until the true state of the program they inherited is accepted. Despite on court success, the then existing off court issues in recruiting, athletic department cohesion, etc. were significant. The new staff has done an admirable job given what they inherited. Those realities aren't attacks. They are acknowledgments.
Generally in BB 3 "full" recruiting cycles makes a program "belong" to the new coach absent some extenuating circumstances. Scott Drew had extenuating circumstances.
Baylor WBB will truly be Collen's program [to fairly evaluate her] when the bulk of the roster are her recruits. That said, the Transfer Portal is accelerating timelines for Admins and Fans. Maybe fairly, maybe not.
Next season will likely be the first season where she has the size to play the preferred D schemes. First season in any scheme [O or D] is a steep learning curve.
2024-2025 [possibly one year sooner] will likely be the "this is what she built" season. Obviously, injuries/conference realignment/NCAA rules [do we see men playing WBB?]/etc. can all change the dynamic.
23-24 season she will have one holdover from KM Sarah Andrews. At the end of that season we should all know what we got. The only variable I could see effected this is the trans issue. Conference realignment or what conference your in doesn't really mean much in WBB.Adriacus Peratuun said:Weak. Weak.baylor1984 said:Doubt he'll answer that way he can keep moving the goalposts and assessing blame to KM no matter what. She'll be gone from Baylor for many years and he'd find a way to pin it on her.Osodecentx said:I've wondered if AP is a UT plant posting here to sow dissensionbaylor1984 said:So when can they be fairly evaluated ? After the 22-23 season ? After the 23-24 season ? After the 24-25 season ? Just want to know when it's okay and it'll stop being all KM fault.Adriacus Peratuun said:
LMFAO. When the Mulkey Army attacks the new staff and someone dares to point out the myriad of issues inherited, overcome, and continuing for the new staff……….the new talking point is "you are harming CNC".
Again, LMFAO.
The new staff inherited 7 players. Fact.
1 sophomore, 1 junior, & the remainder were seniors or COVID super seniors. Fact.
Simply having healthy bodies to practice & play was an endeavor. Fact.
The new staff performed admirably achieving a B12 regular season title. Fact.
Recognizing indisputable facts is being realistic. Acknowledging the hurdles overcome/being faced isn't an attack. The only attack is what has been done to the current staff.
The new staff can never be fairly evaluated and recognized until the true state of the program they inherited is accepted. Despite on court success, the then existing off court issues in recruiting, athletic department cohesion, etc. were significant. The new staff has done an admirable job given what they inherited. Those realities aren't attacks. They are acknowledgments.
Generally in BB 3 "full" recruiting cycles makes a program "belong" to the new coach absent some extenuating circumstances. Scott Drew had extenuating circumstances.
Baylor WBB will truly be Collen's program [to fairly evaluate her] when the bulk of the roster are her recruits. That said, the Transfer Portal is accelerating timelines for Admins and Fans. Maybe fairly, maybe not.
Next season will likely be the first season where she has the size to play the preferred D schemes. First season in any scheme [O or D] is a steep learning curve.
2024-2025 [possibly one year sooner] will likely be the "this is what she built" season. Obviously, injuries/conference realignment/NCAA rules [do we see men playing WBB?]/etc. can all change the dynamic.
20th verse, same as the 1st..For us old folk, it's like that Herman's Hermits song, Henry the Eight I am
KM BAD, KM LEAVE PANTRY EMPTY, KIM BAD, KIM REAL BAD, CNC DID GREAT; CNC WILL DO BETTER WITH HER OWN PLAYERS-KM BAD-KM NEEDED TO GO. i UNDERSTAND-YOU DON'T-KM BAD,
Second verse, same as the First
YAWN, exhausting. next subject.
KM BAD, KM LEAVE PANTRY EMPTY, KIM BAD, KIM REAL BAD, CNC DID GREAT; CNC WILL DO BETTER WITH HER OWN PLAYERS-KM BAD-KM NEEDED TO GO. i UNDERSTAND-YOU DON'T-KM BAD,
Second verse, same as the First
YAWN, exhausting. next subject.
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