Fixed it for you.Space Cutter said:
Let me pretend to understand how Baylor University, a Christian university with a Christian emphasis on living a Godly moral life but somehow we keep praising Ms Griner as the amazing Baylor alumnus, while revealing that I have no intention of actually understanding.
This is the same Ms Griner who got arrested overseas for using drugs, but amazingly learned to stand for our country's National Anthem after gaining her freedom. The same Ms. Griner who is living a gay lifestyle and now has come out naked to glorify her gay union. This is what Baylor is showcasing as their favorite female alumni.
Where is Baylor leadership taking this great university? It's time to quietly move away from praising Ms Griner.
I have never understood the homosexual lifestyle, but I saw at an early age growing up in the 50s that some kids just seemed "different" from me and most of my friends. None of them were "groomed" to be that way. And in that era there was certainly no media or other influence available to us kids in our rural town that even hinted that such a thing existed or would cause someone by choice to live in that manner. We didn't know what it was or what to call it, but we did see that some were just "different". It didn't mean we excluded them from our activities or didn't appreciate what they brought to our lives. Looking back we now understand what the situation was, but not then.DFW Bill said:
Spoken like a true forgiving and loving Christian, Space Cutter.
If you are concerned about Baylor "embracing lifestyles that are clearly defined in the Bible as immoral," then your bigger beef should be with Baylor embracing wealthy alums who horde money and contribute to systems that keep people poor and oppressed. That "lifestyle" is far more "clearly defined in the Bible" as immoral than the things you seem to be obsessed with.Space Cutter said:
Love comes with grace and truth. I have never met Ms Griner and harbor no hate towards her. Brittney can live her life anyway she pleases. So grace is all I have for her. Coach Art Briles was cleared by Baylor but he still is considered evil by many. I'm betting he will absolutely not be welcome to be honored along with the championship teams this fall.
My issue is with Baylor leadership pretending to be a Christian focused university while embracing lifestyles that are clearly defined in the Bible as immoral. Drug abuse, non Biblical marriage, and pornography Brittany now sharing should give Baylor leadership pause before they use Ms Griner's fame to promote Baylor U. The Bible is truth and grace. I would prefer Baylor stay true to God's word and have leaders who use their wisdom along with discernment to lead Baylor forward.
Most homosexual people I know had very abnormal, traumatic experiences/event in their early lives as a child.blackie said:I have never understood the homosexual lifestyle, but I saw at an early age growing up in the 50s that some kids just seemed "different" from me and most of my friends. None of them were "groomed" to be that way. And in that era there was certainly no media or other influence available to us kids in our rural town that even hinted that such a thing existed or would cause someone by choice to live in that manner. We didn't know what it was or what to call it, but we did see that some were just "different". It didn't mean we excluded them from our activities or didn't appreciate what they brought to our lives. Looking back we now understand what the situation was, but not then.DFW Bill said:
Spoken like a true forgiving and loving Christian, Space Cutter.
I have never understood why some were seemingly born that way. That is way above my pay grade. God does and I am in no position to judge.
The OP asks "Where is Baylor leadership taking this great university?". Hopefully to a place that shows the true meaning of love your neighbor as thyself and realizing that we have a plank in our own eyes. Over its history Baylor and its students have demonstrated its human sinful nature time and time again. Do we now pick and choose which "sins" as perceived by "Christians" warrant public criticism or deserve not recognizing student achievements where others that are equally sinful (as they all are) in God's eyes are swept under the carpet or ignored.
Perhaps if the university had been a little more unjudging and trying to portray ourselves as something that is not humanly possible we wouldn't have led ourselves into the internal structures and coverups that led to the 2015 debacle, both in PR and in human lives affected.
Space Cutter said:
Let me understand how Baylor University, a Christian university with a Christian emphasis on living a Godly moral life but somehow we keep praising Ms Griner as the amazing Baylor alumnus.
This is the same Ms Griner who got arrested overseas for using drugs, but amazingly learned to stand for our country's National Anthem after gaining her freedom. The same Ms. Griner who is living a gay lifestyle and now has come out naked to glorify her gay union. This is what Baylor is showcasing as their favorite female alumni.
Where is Baylor leadership taking this great university? It's time to quietly move away from praising Ms Griner.
I imagine any group of folks who have been told by society (and their families,) that who they were created to be to be was a "mental disorder," (long after, by the way, mental health professionals stopped labeling it as such), would grow up with pretty traumatic or abnormal experiences in their early lives.ZachTay said:Most homosexual people I know had very abnormal, traumatic experiences/event in their early lives as a child.blackie said:I have never understood the homosexual lifestyle, but I saw at an early age growing up in the 50s that some kids just seemed "different" from me and most of my friends. None of them were "groomed" to be that way. And in that era there was certainly no media or other influence available to us kids in our rural town that even hinted that such a thing existed or would cause someone by choice to live in that manner. We didn't know what it was or what to call it, but we did see that some were just "different". It didn't mean we excluded them from our activities or didn't appreciate what they brought to our lives. Looking back we now understand what the situation was, but not then.DFW Bill said:
Spoken like a true forgiving and loving Christian, Space Cutter.
I have never understood why some were seemingly born that way. That is way above my pay grade. God does and I am in no position to judge.
The OP asks "Where is Baylor leadership taking this great university?". Hopefully to a place that shows the true meaning of love your neighbor as thyself and realizing that we have a plank in our own eyes. Over its history Baylor and its students have demonstrated its human sinful nature time and time again. Do we now pick and choose which "sins" as perceived by "Christians" warrant public criticism or deserve not recognizing student achievements where others that are equally sinful (as they all are) in God's eyes are swept under the carpet or ignored.
Perhaps if the university had been a little more unjudging and trying to portray ourselves as something that is not humanly possible we wouldn't have led ourselves into the internal structures and coverups that led to the 2015 debacle, both in PR and in human lives affected.
I have found it to be a common denominator amongst them, at least for those I do/have know/n.
Homosexuality is a mental disorder, unfortunately like many many other mental disorders in this world today.
As far as what's "right" or what is "wrong", I'm not trying to weigh in on that. We are not the judge. We all will stand before God one day (1 on 1) to speak for our worldly lives.
So you are telling me a 5 to 6-year old kid starting first grade in the 1950s in a small rural Texas town with NO TV, born of heterosexual parents with heterosexual siblings and friends had homosexual tendencies that they chose to have because of all the outside influences he or she was exposed to?historian said:
No one was created homosexual or any other kind of sinner. They became that later. And anyone who voluntarily engages in such behaviors does so by choice. Sin is our nature but we were not created to sin. We were created in the image of God.
If the mental health profession cannot be honest about that then that's on them. Does the mental health profession also go along the team ideology? Can they honestly define "woman" or do they encourage fake women in their delusions? They Left destroys everything it touches, including the professions. Look at academia, the legal profession, Big Tech, corporate America, Hollywood, & all other major institutions. The examples are everywhere.
So, as you state, we are born into a sinful nature (see bolded above). We then have the choice to act on that nature or not. That is where the sin comes into play.historian said:
Homosexuality is a sin. That is undeniable, although some try & fail. Leviticus 18 & Romans 1 make that very clear, along with other passages. We are all sinners and born into that nature but God did not make a mistake with any of us. How that works in practice is beyond my ability. I am neither philosopher nor scientist. However, I am absolutely certain about this and that sinful behavior, whatever form it takes, is the result of choices we all make. There are no excuses, no way of escaping responsibility. There are plenty of scriptures on that point as well.
I am not the authority. God is. I just know some of what the Bible says and it is 100% ironclad truth. I am not trying to judge anyone since only God is qualified to do that. But I'm also not going to refrain from stating clear biblical truths just because they are unpopular in our culture today.
I don't disagree with any of what you said. I believe homosexual actions are sinful and that no excuses are being put forth for those homosexual actions. I have not tried to defend those actions in any way shape or form. But trying to objectively look as to how such a situation got started in the first place in my experience as a child, 70 years ago. I believe in many cases there is more to it than someone being lead that way via outside influencers.historian said:
I don't know if it's possible to know where such things come from except to say that sin does not come from God. Sin comes from Satan. Also everyone sins because they choose to sin. It is a voluntary choice. The point being, we are without excuse.
"where that tendency came from in the first place."blackie said:So, as you state, we are born into a sinful nature (see bolded above). We then have the choice to act on that nature or not. That is where the sin comes into play.historian said:
Homosexuality is a sin. That is undeniable, although some try & fail. Leviticus 18 & Romans 1 make that very clear, along with other passages. We are all sinners and born into that nature but God did not make a mistake with any of us. How that works in practice is beyond my ability. I am neither philosopher nor scientist. However, I am absolutely certain about this and that sinful behavior, whatever form it takes, is the result of choices we all make. There are no excuses, no way of escaping responsibility. There are plenty of scriptures on that point as well.
I am not the authority. God is. I just know some of what the Bible says and it is 100% ironclad truth. I am not trying to judge anyone since only God is qualified to do that. But I'm also not going to refrain from stating clear biblical truths just because they are unpopular in our culture today.
But how a pre-school child in the 50's exposed to nothing but a heterosexual lifestyle with no access to TV (my family didn't have one until the late 50s), can't read newspapers and has no outside influences that even hint of homosexuality as I described in my post, "chooses" by the time they start kindergarten to be something he/she doesn't even know exists is beyond a stretch.
We are not debating whether or not a homosexual lifestyle and behavior is sinful. We are looking at where that tendency came from in the first place. We all know that children are born every day that have brain, heart and other defects that affects some aspect of their ability to be "normal". IMO, there is absolutely no reason to think that doesn't extend to at least seeing as a possibility for some that the process that gives us our sexual leanings is immune from similar abnormalities. We know that heterosexuals have varying degrees of sex drives. Something in their makeup outside of external influences likely causes that.
As I stated up front, I don't understand it. And I am with you in the belief that a homosexual lifestyle goes against Biblical teachings. What I am not so sure of is what started or caused some people to end up in that position in the first place. Where did that seed come from? The usual go-to boogeymen of media, social media, Hollywood, TV, the gay couple down the street, the "left", etc. was not even present to be a factor for the kids I knew in the 1950s coming into my kindergarten class whose mannerisms just didn't seem normal. Then later in life we knew why they seemed different.
ZachTay said:"where that tendency came from in the first place."blackie said:So, as you state, we are born into a sinful nature (see bolded above). We then have the choice to act on that nature or not. That is where the sin comes into play.historian said:
Homosexuality is a sin. That is undeniable, although some try & fail. Leviticus 18 & Romans 1 make that very clear, along with other passages. We are all sinners and born into that nature but God did not make a mistake with any of us. How that works in practice is beyond my ability. I am neither philosopher nor scientist. However, I am absolutely certain about this and that sinful behavior, whatever form it takes, is the result of choices we all make. There are no excuses, no way of escaping responsibility. There are plenty of scriptures on that point as well.
I am not the authority. God is. I just know some of what the Bible says and it is 100% ironclad truth. I am not trying to judge anyone since only God is qualified to do that. But I'm also not going to refrain from stating clear biblical truths just because they are unpopular in our culture today.
But how a pre-school child in the 50's exposed to nothing but a heterosexual lifestyle with no access to TV (my family didn't have one until the late 50s), can't read newspapers and has no outside influences that even hint of homosexuality as I described in my post, "chooses" by the time they start kindergarten to be something he/she doesn't even know exists is beyond a stretch.
We are not debating whether or not a homosexual lifestyle and behavior is sinful. We are looking at where that tendency came from in the first place. We all know that children are born every day that have brain, heart and other defects that affects some aspect of their ability to be "normal". IMO, there is absolutely no reason to think that doesn't extend to at least seeing as a possibility for some that the process that gives us our sexual leanings is immune from similar abnormalities. We know that heterosexuals have varying degrees of sex drives. Something in their makeup outside of external influences likely causes that.
As I stated up front, I don't understand it. And I am with you in the belief that a homosexual lifestyle goes against Biblical teachings. What I am not so sure of is what started or caused some people to end up in that position in the first place. Where did that seed come from? The usual go-to boogeymen of media, social media, Hollywood, TV, the gay couple down the street, the "left", etc. was not even present to be a factor for the kids I knew in the 1950s coming into my kindergarten class whose mannerisms just didn't seem normal. Then later in life we knew why they seemed different.
"what started or caused some people to end up in that position in the first place"
"Where did that seed come from?"
No one is looking for where that "tendency" came from. We all know. It's Satan, troll. Christianity 101.
A deacon in my former church used to say "God hates sin but loves the sinner".ScottS said:ZachTay said:"where that tendency came from in the first place."blackie said:So, as you state, we are born into a sinful nature (see bolded above). We then have the choice to act on that nature or not. That is where the sin comes into play.historian said:
Homosexuality is a sin. That is undeniable, although some try & fail. Leviticus 18 & Romans 1 make that very clear, along with other passages. We are all sinners and born into that nature but God did not make a mistake with any of us. How that works in practice is beyond my ability. I am neither philosopher nor scientist. However, I am absolutely certain about this and that sinful behavior, whatever form it takes, is the result of choices we all make. There are no excuses, no way of escaping responsibility. There are plenty of scriptures on that point as well.
I am not the authority. God is. I just know some of what the Bible says and it is 100% ironclad truth. I am not trying to judge anyone since only God is qualified to do that. But I'm also not going to refrain from stating clear biblical truths just because they are unpopular in our culture today.
But how a pre-school child in the 50's exposed to nothing but a heterosexual lifestyle with no access to TV (my family didn't have one until the late 50s), can't read newspapers and has no outside influences that even hint of homosexuality as I described in my post, "chooses" by the time they start kindergarten to be something he/she doesn't even know exists is beyond a stretch.
We are not debating whether or not a homosexual lifestyle and behavior is sinful. We are looking at where that tendency came from in the first place. We all know that children are born every day that have brain, heart and other defects that affects some aspect of their ability to be "normal". IMO, there is absolutely no reason to think that doesn't extend to at least seeing as a possibility for some that the process that gives us our sexual leanings is immune from similar abnormalities. We know that heterosexuals have varying degrees of sex drives. Something in their makeup outside of external influences likely causes that.
As I stated up front, I don't understand it. And I am with you in the belief that a homosexual lifestyle goes against Biblical teachings. What I am not so sure of is what started or caused some people to end up in that position in the first place. Where did that seed come from? The usual go-to boogeymen of media, social media, Hollywood, TV, the gay couple down the street, the "left", etc. was not even present to be a factor for the kids I knew in the 1950s coming into my kindergarten class whose mannerisms just didn't seem normal. Then later in life we knew why they seemed different.
"what started or caused some people to end up in that position in the first place"
"Where did that seed come from?"
No one is looking for where that "tendency" came from. We all know. It's Satan, troll. Christianity 101.
[churchLadyVoice]Maybe Satan[/churchLadyVoice]
Space Cutter said:
Let me understand how Baylor University, a Christian university with a Christian emphasis on living a Godly moral life but somehow we keep praising Ms Griner as the amazing Baylor alumnus.
This is the same Ms Griner who got arrested overseas for using drugs, but amazingly learned to stand for our country's National Anthem after gaining her freedom. The same Ms. Griner who is living a gay lifestyle and now has come out naked to glorify her gay union. This is what Baylor is showcasing as their favorite female alumni.
Where is Baylor leadership taking this great university? It's time to quietly move away from praising Ms Griner.
Brittney Griner started to get emotional as she received her gold medal and listened to the USA national anthem 🥺🇺🇸 pic.twitter.com/97r52YHDUC
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UNBELIEVABLE ENDING IN PARIS. 😱
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ZachTay said:Most homosexual people I know had very abnormal, traumatic experiences/event in their early lives as a child.blackie said:I have never understood the homosexual lifestyle, but I saw at an early age growing up in the 50s that some kids just seemed "different" from me and most of my friends. None of them were "groomed" to be that way. And in that era there was certainly no media or other influence available to us kids in our rural town that even hinted that such a thing existed or would cause someone by choice to live in that manner. We didn't know what it was or what to call it, but we did see that some were just "different". It didn't mean we excluded them from our activities or didn't appreciate what they brought to our lives. Looking back we now understand what the situation was, but not then.DFW Bill said:
Spoken like a true forgiving and loving Christian, Space Cutter.
I have never understood why some were seemingly born that way. That is way above my pay grade. God does and I am in no position to judge.
The OP asks "Where is Baylor leadership taking this great university?". Hopefully to a place that shows the true meaning of love your neighbor as thyself and realizing that we have a plank in our own eyes. Over its history Baylor and its students have demonstrated its human sinful nature time and time again. Do we now pick and choose which "sins" as perceived by "Christians" warrant public criticism or deserve not recognizing student achievements where others that are equally sinful (as they all are) in God's eyes are swept under the carpet or ignored.
Perhaps if the university had been a little more unjudging and trying to portray ourselves as something that is not humanly possible we wouldn't have led ourselves into the internal structures and coverups that led to the 2015 debacle, both in PR and in human lives affected.
I have found it to be a common denominator amongst them, at least for those I do/have know/n.
Homosexuality is a mental disorder, unfortunately like many many other mental disorders in this world today.
As far as what's "right" or what is "wrong", I'm not trying to weigh in on that. We are not the judge. We all will stand before God one day (1 on 1) to speak for our worldly lives.
