NIL and Baylor

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Dcheetah
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3:48p, 1/29/25
With all the comments about NIL and Baylor recruiting, I thought I would look back at the last few years and see what recruits we had visit and where they actually went.

Using the recent comments from Nicki on the UCF pregame chat about NIL and recruiting and taking comments from 2 people I have talked to intimately associated with our Wbb program who told me that we do not have the NIL capability of SEC and Big 10 schools - here is what I saw when trying to see which of our offers actually visited but didn't commit and where did they go. This does not include offers who never visited. I take this as a list of players we more reasonably might have gotten if everything had worked out. Nicki has also said she will only recruit from her A list and won't go to her B list

2022 top 50 offers who visited/didn't commit and where they ended up

Raven Johnson USCe
Rori Harmon Tx (loss)
Jersey Wolfenbarger Ark (now LSU)
Maryam Dauda Baylor then Ark and recently USCe
Latasha Lattimore Tx (can't remember if she actually visited but think so) - loss
Shyanne Day Sellers - not sure she visited but friends with Latasha L. and went to Maryland then Duke

2023 Top 71 offers who visited/didn't commit and where they ended up
Mikayla Williams LSU
Chloe Kitts USCe (don't think she ever visited but know Nicki really wanted her)
Kymora Johnson Virginia
Reniya Kelly UNC
Chloe Clardy Stanford
Sammie Wagner Baylor then Tx then Oregon
Laci Steele NC State
Maddie Cox NC State

2024 top 50 offers who visited/didn't commit and where they ended up

Jaloni Cambridge Ohio State (sister and HS teammate on team)
Joyce Edwards USCe
Justice Carlton Tx (SEC at that point)
Arianna Roberson Duke (from Tx and we were interested but not sure if visited)
Britt Prince Nebraska (her home state)
Adhel Tac USCe
Me Arah O'Neal Florida
Vivian Iwuchukwu USC
Rian Forestier USC (not sure if ever visited)
Taliyah Parker Texas A&M


2025 top offers who visited/didn't commit and where ended up

Mia Parker UTenn
Mya Parker UTenn
Aubrey Beckham Georgia (home state)
Jaida Civil UTenn
Jaliya Davis Kansas (home state)
Jocelyn Faison Georgia (home state)
Aniya Foy Kansas State
Bella Hines LSU (not sure if visited)
Destiny Jackson Illinois
Grace Mbugua Louisville (home state)
Keeley Parks Kansas (from Ok)
Deniya Prawl UTenn
Janiya Williams Oregon
Nylah Wilson Auburn


2026 top offers: 20 or more offers - the 8 below have visited - none have committed
Jacy Abii
Amari Byles
Kamora Pruitt
Rieyan Desouze
Bella Fleming
Amayah Garcia
Ashlyn Koupal
Jenica Raine

Certainly might have missed some.


Anyway, what I see:
Mostly SEC but almost all SEC/Big 10 last 2 yrs with occasional kids staying home
To me, looking at where the players we wanted ended up, it lends support to the argument that NIL matters.
We need more support
I'm checking out here but would welcome other thoughts.
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Bear3
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In reply to Dcheetah • 9:37p, 1/29/25
I agree with you. I have heard more than once that we cannot compete with NIL from SEC and Big 10 teams. As you have shown, this seems to be where majority of these recuits have gone the past 2 years .

NIL most definitely matters. Several hundred thousand dollars can be life changing for many of these recruits and their families. That are going where the money is and I can't blame them. We just can't compete with top schools right now.
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9:28a, 1/30/25
Interesting. Thanks for doing the work.
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10:43a, 1/30/25
In addition to NIL ramifications, CNC's recent comments made me realize a hidden group that NIL and transfer-porter has drastically affected: "Tier 2" high school players. I'd love to see data on the retention rates of ALL NCAA D-I (including mid-majors) athletes in recent years. Not retention rates for individual schools, but how many athletes continue in their sport throughout all 4-5 years of eligibility. I suspect it has skyrocketed, squeezing out spaces for traditional "diamonds in the rough" high school players who aren't on recruiting lists, but could be valuable players with the right development.
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DFW Bill
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11:29a, 1/30/25
Thank you Dcheetah for posting this most informative information. I know it takes a lot of time.
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Bear3
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2:28p, 1/30/25
For another telling fact about Big 10 and SEC NIL, look at roster of this year's McDonald All Americans. Almost everyone one of these players are going to SEC or Big 10 school! Only 2 are going to Big 12 schools.,,,,,,,,

Very sad what NIL has done to college athletics….
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franke
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In reply to Bear3 • 2:46p, 1/30/25
Like I have said in many posts here, NIL absolutely plays a part, but I hate that we constantly use that as an excuse. The other factor is that the BIG 12 has been a tier below as far as performance goes recently as well, especially with the exits of OU and UT. Latest Bracketology has the SEC and B10 with a combined 23 teams in the tourney and we have 7.

Unless I am blanking, we have ONE active coach in the league who has even been to a Final Four (and that was in the bubble). SEC/Big10 has a lot more recent success, even before NIL with USCe & MS State.
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In reply to franke • 3:08p, 1/30/25
franke said:
Like I have said in many posts here, NIL absolutely plays a part, but I hate that we constantly use that as an excuse. The other factor is that the BIG 12 has been a tier below as far as performance goes recently as well, especially with the exits of OU and UT. Latest Bracketology has the SEC and B10 with a combined 23 teams in the tourney and we have 7.

Unless I am blanking, we have ONE active coach in the league who has even been to a Final Four (and that was in the bubble). SEC/Big10 has a lot more recent success, even before NIL with USCe & MS State.
It's not an excuse if it is an overriding reason. But we don't know the numbers to know. Anything is nothing more than speculation. And we can't be in the recruits head to know for sure why they picked the school they picked.

The Big XII has always been considered a tier below. Even when we were going all guns blasting we often got a 2-seed or the lowest 1. It was considered Baylor and its children. Several times we had the best record going into the tournament and then got bounced in the E8. That didn't help perceptions.
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In reply to blackie • 3:13p, 1/30/25
You're right, so we (not necessarily you) need to stop saying it is only NIL when there are probably other factors too.

Texas Tech has tons of money (enough to pay the softball player a lot and maybe Chavez her ask too), AND have an ancient national championship, but they still stink. Maybe it's the coach, maybe it's the league, maybe it's Lubbock.

Saw your edit too, I think not having a dominant power in a conference still hurts the league as a whole. Can't really change the perception until teams start beating that power or beating good teams out of conference.
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In reply to blackie • 3:25p, 1/30/25
B12 has always been a tier below SEC and B10 in WBB but that gap wasn't big. Now it's huge. And sadly is probably going to continue widening.
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In reply to IowaBear • 3:42p, 1/30/25
IowaBear said:
B12 has always been a tier below SEC and B10 in WBB but that gap wasn't big. Now it's huge. And sadly is probably going to continue widening.


Totally agree.
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4:22p, 1/30/25
Except our commissioner is a proponent of making the Big 12 the preeminent basketball conference, and I think WBB is included in his vision. I think we need to keep asking the questions, but maybe be patient enough to see how things shake out in the next two years. Anything now is reactive. Better to be proactive or at least on the forward crest of the new wave…just don't know what that looks like, at the moment.
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