You are describing managers, not leaders....

But with that said, we apparently now have what we wanted. We shall see.

Pecos 45 said:

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When you have a coach who came to a program that never made the NCAA tournament, and wins THREE Nat'l Championships, has done nothing but make Baylor proud, and NEVER embarrassed us, you keep her.

Pay her what she wants.
Name the arena after her.
But don't run her off in the misguided notion that you'll get a replacement who can win as much as her.

I am both shocked and embarrassed that we have people at the top who do not recognize solid gold when it is right in front of them.

Stop this stupid spin trying to find fault with Kim.
All she did was WIN......a lot.

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Agree 1000%

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Globalbear said:

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This is one of the worst moves--or lack of--by my cherished university that I have ever seen. We all get it...Kim is sometimes a load to deal with, but friends, she has earned much more respect and way more recognition than this university has given her.

I was there. I was working for Baylor when the athletic program was searching deeply for any kind of success, and then, as we all know, the horrific treatment by national press after what were certainly some MAJOR mistakes made by the men's basketball coach and a very sad incident involving two young men.

Kim's energy and, of course, the team's success changed the entire dialogue. All of a sudden a completely dismal environment changed dramatically when the women won the title in 2005. It is true that Baylor had won it's first national championship in men's tennis the year before, but, sadly, that just doesn't make national news. A #2 seed Baylor women's basketball beating three #1 seeds on the way to the championship did.

For that, and for all of the MANY successes--including being one of only 2 current coaches with multiple titles (and the whole list is very small)--she deserves better.

Yes, there was a lot of talk about the arena and much more. But, again, I contend that without the 2005 championship and the many years of women's basketball shining a positive light on Baylor athletics, we may not be where we are.

I love Scott Drew (and I am qualified to say that for many reasons), but I also knew Kim. While she is/was a "piece of work," she gave everything she had to bring a winning program to Baylor. She SHOULD be here still, planning the last years of a great career. Bad mistake, Baylor!

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Would you rather have a "piece of work" who wins, or a nice person who loses?

I never thought I would see the day we would lose a HOF coach for no good reason.

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That's a false choice. And we have a number of coaches on our current payroll that prove that.

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caesarscott said:

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rhoades dont care. hes not a baylor man.

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And Kim was a "Baylor woman?"

No, Kim was all about herself. Her ego forced her to take the LSU job because she's not a team player in the AD.

Glad she's gone. Get me a coach who wants to be apart of the solution, not the problem.

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She was here over 20 years!!!!

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What does that have to do with anything?

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It means she has spent more time invested and building and promoting Baylor than many in the current administration and AD. You say she isn't a "Baylor woman" but a lifetime career's worth of service says otherwise.

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She's been a major pain in the ass the last ten years and one thing I will concede is Ian is partly responsible for Kim's attitude because he let her walk all over him.

Now that we have a real AD, it's his job to make the athletic department money. Paying a coach $2.6M who is on the back end of her career to be a perpetual thorn in his paw isn't a smart investment.

Kim could have prevented this, but she chose her ego over Baylor.

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1. She has been the same that she ever was at Baylor. You can find her as annoying as you want, she got results and did it in a way that didn't embarrass the university in a national scale and garnered more positive attention to our university than any other coach we have. She may have been a *****, but she was our *****. If Mack had issues with her, he needed to learn to deflate his own ego before letting a Hall of Fame coach walk away. She worked well enough with multiple ADs prior to Mack. This split lies, at least in some portion, at Mack's feet for failing to do his job in managing his coaches.

2. She draws top level crowds for women's basketball. If you think the fanbase will be there with the same fervor without Mulkey, you are deluded. We can talk financials, but you aren't saving money by drastically dropping fan attendance at women's games.

3. Speaking of financials, college athletics isn't a money making prospect for most athletic departments. You will struggle to find any AD that makes significant profit off their women's programs. As far programs for, women's basketball is the closest you will find to a "money maker" in women's college athletics and it is certainly the most high profile event on the women's side. But, this isn't about money chasing, it's about keeping in place a structure that allowed for our women's athletes to have success athletically and academically. Kim was/and is an advocate for all her athletes and an advocate for Baylor to the media. If our AD is the type to run off a HOF coach in part to save a buck, then he is a penny wise and a pound foolish and will not be here much longer.

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This is one of the worst moves--or lack of--by my cherished university that I have ever seen. We all get it...Kim is sometimes a load to deal with, but friends, she has earned much more respect and way more recognition than this university has given her.

I was there. I was working for Baylor when the athletic program was searching deeply for any kind of success, and then, as we all know, the horrific treatment by national press after what were certainly some MAJOR mistakes made by the men's basketball coach and a very sad incident involving two young men.

Kim's energy and, of course, the team's success changed the entire dialogue. All of a sudden a completely dismal environment changed dramatically when the women won the title in 2005. It is true that Baylor had won it's first national championship in men's tennis the year before, but, sadly, that just doesn't make national news. A #2 seed Baylor women's basketball beating three #1 seeds on the way to the championship did.

For that, and for all of the MANY successes--including being one of only 2 current coaches with multiple titles (and the whole list is very small)--she deserves better.

Yes, there was a lot of talk about the arena and much more. But, again, I contend that without the 2005 championship and the many years of women's basketball shining a positive light on Baylor athletics, we may not be where we are.

I love Scott Drew (and I am qualified to say that for many reasons), but I also knew Kim. While she is/was a "piece of work," she gave everything she had to bring a winning program to Baylor. She SHOULD be here still, planning the last years of a great career. Bad mistake, Baylor!

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Kim was not a load to deal with. Kim's raw honesty was a load to deal with. Baylor has turned into a university run by a group of outsider, woke snowflakes. Kim Mulkey cut across their grain. Due to her high achievement, she attained too much popularity, power and influence wherever she went. And those now in control of the knobs couldn't handle it, were jealous of it...and they hated her for it. Until we as a Baylor family begin to toss these people out...and begin to quit allowing these black widows into positions of influence at Baylor..we will continue to pay the heavy-type price that we paid today. How much more do you people want of this? Take Baylor back.

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rhoades dont care. hes not a baylor man.

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Winner!!!!

gobears20 said:

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I’m frustrated I played in the 90’s we couldn’t get people to come in the Ferrell center we were awful. To think you can replace her with some junior college coach makes me sick

— Nichelle Holloway (@BUBear22) April 26, 2021

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I am right here with Nichelle Holloway... I was a Lady Bear in the mid-90's, and we were lucky to have 500 people in attendance at our games. Now, yes, much of that was because we had a poor excuse for a coach, but it was also because we had no following or fan base. Baylor WBB will return to the mediocrity that was the mid-90's. They will be back to passing out free tickets, pizza, t-shirts, etc. just to get butts in the seats. We will be back to being the whipping post of the conference and a complete ghost at the national level. This is a huge loss for Baylor in so many ways, but I'm glad CKM had enough respect for herself to walk out the door given the situation. Livingstone and Rhoades should be ashamed of themselves. I hope all the candidates for the position take a good hard look at what their future looks like and how disposable they will be to top-level brass at Baylor... Our only chance at salvaging this program is to start removing those at the top who are making poor, jealously motivated and ego-driven decisions.

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gobears20 said:

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I’m frustrated I played in the 90’s we couldn’t get people to come in the Ferrell center we were awful. To think you can replace her with some junior college coach makes me sick

— Nichelle Holloway (@BUBear22) April 26, 2021

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I am right here with Nichelle Holloway... I was a Lady Bear in the mid-90's, and we were lucky to have 500 people in attendance at our games. Now, yes, much of that was because we had a poor excuse for a coach, but it was also because we had no following or fan base. Baylor WBB will return to the mediocrity that was the mid-90's. They will be back to passing out free tickets, pizza, t-shirts, etc. just to get butts in the seats. We will be back to being the whipping post of the conference and a complete ghost at the national level. This is a huge loss for Baylor in so many ways, but I'm glad CKM had enough respect for herself to walk out the door given the situation. Livingstone and Rhoades should be ashamed of themselves. I hope all the candidates for the position take a good hard look at what their future looks like and how disposable they will be to top-level brass at Baylor... Our only chance at salvaging this program is to start removing those at the top who are making poor, jealously motivated and ego-driven decisions.

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Thanks baylorbears33 for both of your former player perspectives. Thanks for what you went through because women's BB was not valued at the time. Its always the kids who get hurt and pay the price when the supposed adults act like kids.
This drama reminds me of a heated conversation I had with Jack Patterson (must be Rhodes DNA source) back in the late seventies when he was willing to sacrifice two years of WBB players eligibility to get Olga Fallon out.
Amazing how history really does repeat itself

You are a total nut job.

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You are a total nut job.

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Coming from an intellectual midget like you ....that's a compliment ...THANKS

Yes we have lost our minds.

blueeyedbear -- you're a forum regular, but apparently you've not really noticed how the software works. Big Bear was calling Bear15 a total nut job, not you. You can look at the top right hand corner of a post and see the name of the poster to whom someone is replying.

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blueeyedbear -- you're a forum regular, but apparently you've not really noticed how the software works. Big Bear was calling Bear15 a total nut job, not you. You can look at the top right hand corner of a post and see the name of the poster to whom someone is replying.

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MY BAD, Sorry BIGBEAR

Teaff, Briles, Mulkey. At Baylor, when a winning coach gets too uppity, they have to go, regardless of on the field performance. Drew is the Unicorn.

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Wouldn't know personally but it sounds like the premium side is practically throwing a party with the news she's leaving. Personally that bunch sounds like a bunch of ****ing idiots excuse my language

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For the most part they are are and a huge majority of them are

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The premium board doesn't represent the majority of Baylor fans and certainly not the Lady Bears fans. They are a bunch of mostly younger and middle-aged males who have been jealous of the success of Mulkey's program over the years. It's sad really that they are so bothered by a successful women's basketball program that they think it somehow takes away from the men's program. These are the same people who have issues with an opinionated, strong-headed female. You know -- the Mack Rhoades types.

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Didn't you recently say you were an LSU fan now?

Have you ever met or interacted with Kim? She is a nightmare to be around if you're not one of her coaches or players. An absolute nightmare.

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Teaff, Briles, Mulkey. At Baylor, when a winning coach gets too uppity, they have to go, regardless of on the field performance. Drew is the Unicorn.

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Teaff, Briles, and Kim. That's a diverse list.

By "uppity," do you mean letting "bad dudes" run loose? Recruiting guys of, uh, shady character? Or finding creative ways to avoid positive drug screens? Because that was Briles to a tee (much like Dave Bliss).

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The premium board doesn't represent the majority of Baylor fans and certainly not the Lady Bears fans. They are a bunch of mostly younger and middle-aged males who have been jealous of the success of Mulkey's program over the years. It's sad really that they are so bothered by a successful women's basketball program that they think it somehow takes away from the men's program. These are the same people who have issues with an opinionated, strong-headed female. You know -- the Mack Rhoades types.

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Didn't you recently say you were an LSU fan now?

Have you ever met or interacted with Kim? She is a nightmare to be around if you're not one of her coaches or players. An absolute nightmare.

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Have you ever thought she just might not have liked you?

Not going to debate it. We'll just agree to disagree.

I love the opinions that Kim was so mistreated. Please... she was making over $2,000,000, already great facilities and getting an even better one in about three years, and was beloved in the community. Unless there is a lawsuit coming forth detailing physical/verbal abuse, I can't see how she was anymore mistreated than anyone else in the workplace. I wish she were still coaching here but she's not. Again, a very bad look for her to have left less than a month after the men win a championship.

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Oh good I'm in the minority then because I'm middle aged or on the slightly younger side haha. But I respect the hell out of what Kim did.

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Me too I'm middle-aged white guy :-)

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#metoo

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Yes, they are very excited over there patting each other on the back and following up on each other's smart-ass remarks deflating women's sports and referring to Mulkey as a witch. I am male, on the older side, and honestly, do enjoy watching men's basketball more than women's- but I did not miss one women's or men's game this year via television or ESPN plus. and I thought both seasons were thrilling. There is some feeling over there that somehow the degrading of the women's team and Mulkey makes the men's team more important and special at Baylor. I can not comprehend why Baylor fans can't be supportive of both programs and why they feel that there is some reason to thrown nasty grams about women's athletics in general.

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I certainly can't see how those facts bode well for WBB's future. Obviously, they don't seem to care if the future is successful or not.

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The premium board doesn't represent the majority of Baylor fans and certainly not the Lady Bears fans. They are a bunch of mostly younger and middle-aged males who have been jealous of the success of Mulkey's program over the years. It's sad really that they are so bothered by a successful women's basketball program that they think it somehow takes away from the men's program. These are the same people who have issues with an opinionated, strong-headed female. You know -- the Mack Rhoades types.

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Didn't you recently say you were an LSU fan now?

Have you ever met or interacted with Kim? She is a nightmare to be around if you're not one of her coaches or players. An absolute nightmare.

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I said I will always be a Baylor fan but now am a Lady Tigers fan also.

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The premium board doesn't represent the majority of Baylor fans and certainly not the Lady Bears fans. They are a bunch of mostly younger and middle-aged males who have been jealous of the success of Mulkey's program over the years. It's sad really that they are so bothered by a successful women's basketball program that they think it somehow takes away from the men's program. These are the same people who have issues with an opinionated, strong-headed female. You know -- the Mack Rhoades types.

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Didn't you recently say you were an LSU fan now?

Have you ever met or interacted with Kim? She is a nightmare to be around if you're not one of her coaches or players. An absolute nightmare.

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Have you ever thought she just might not have liked you?

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Yes. Yes, I have.

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I love the opinions that Kim was so mistreated. Please... she was making over $2,000,000, already great facilities and getting an even better one in about three years, and was beloved in the community. Unless there is a lawsuit coming forth detailing physical/verbal abuse, I can't see how she was anymore mistreated than anyone else in the workplace. I wish she were still coaching here but she's not. Again, a very bad look for her to have left less than a month after the men win a championship.

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I love the opinions that Baylor was so mistreated by Kim's head coaching tenure here.
Maybe we can explain why she was so "difficult" when she gets inducted into the Naismith Basketball Hall of Fame.....with Michael Jordan giving her intro speech.

It's a shame that we couldn't get any big names to introduce her.

But that's what happens when you win games instead of teaching Sunday school.

(Stop me if I'm too politically incorrect.)