uhhh, huh. What is the most serious charge that has resulted in a conviction so far?C. Jordan said:
Plainly an insurrection.
Was Jan. 6 an insurrection or just a riot? Label fight rages a year
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Of course it's an insurrection. The radical right wingers have nothing, they just say "but it wasn't violent... enough" or "it wasn't organized/planned... enough."
Amal Shuq-Up said:uhhh, huh. What is the most serious charge that has resulted in a conviction so far?C. Jordan said:
Plainly an insurrection.
Quote:
Some legal scholars say that sedition charges could be justified but that prosecutors may be reluctant to bring them because of their legal complexity and the difficulty historically in securing convictions. Overzealousness in applying them going back centuries has also discredited their use. And defense attorneys say discussions of such charges only add to the hyperbole around the events of that day.
Overall, the bar for proving sedition isn't as high as it is for the related charge of treason. Still, sedition charges have been rare.
The last time U.S. prosecutors brought such a case was in 2010 in an alleged Michigan plot by members of the Hutaree militia to incite an uprising against the government. But a judge ordered acquittals on the sedition conspiracy charges at a 2012 trial, saying prosecutors relied too much on hateful diatribes protected by the First Amendment and didn't, as required, prove the accused ever had detailed plans for a rebellion.
Among the last successful convictions for seditious conspiracy stemmed from another, now largely forgotten storming of the Capitol in 1954 when four Puerto Rican nationalists opened fire on the House floor, wounding five representatives.
From
https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-government-and-politics-capitol-siege-61007f50fb3ebe15a07982112f05730c
you are consistent.. wrong alot but consistent.C. Jordan said:
Plainly an insurrection.
The fact that so many of you are in denial about it is scary.
This false equivalency dog won't hunt.
Democracy almost died on that day. One man, Mike Pence, stood between us and the abyss. He saved democracy merely by doing the right thing.
The President of the United States conspired to overturn a constitutionally valid election. That's what history will show.
Also scary is that a year later, the Insurrectionist in Chief, Donald Trump, has a cult-like stranglehold on the Republican Party. This means Republicans are no longer partners in the American Experiment.
If democracy survives in this country (and it looks doubtful at the moment) Republican leaders will be repudiated as the cowards and grifters they are.
Everything went as it should.. the people who breeched the capital with angry voices and cell phones basically prevented the govt officials from using the standard proceedures written in the US law to protest the electoral count. They instead reconvene in the middle of the night after the capital was secured and passed everything through. It worked exactly how the Dems wanted. It was planned by Dem leadership and the alphabet agencies and that plan is to continue to use it as a campaign for decency because that is what got them elected in 2020.. problem is public opinion has soured but they are too entrenched to move away from it.
The so called Trump movement has far less to do with Trump and far more to do with business as usual Washington. The people dont like it! Look at the polls, people are running to red states in mass, people are registering to vote republican in mass or shifting independent. America is divided not by republican and democrat but by freedom vs total govt rule and the govt rule group is losing ground daily
“Mix a little foolishness with your serious plans. It is lovely to be silly at the right moment.”
–Horace
“Insomnia sharpens your math skills because you spend all night calculating how much sleep you’ll get if you’re able to ‘fall asleep right now.’ “
–Horace
“Insomnia sharpens your math skills because you spend all night calculating how much sleep you’ll get if you’re able to ‘fall asleep right now.’ “
it was a mostly peaceful protest..Porteroso said:
Of course it's an insurrection. The radical right wingers have nothing, they just say "but it wasn't violent... enough" or "it wasn't organized/planned... enough."
“Mix a little foolishness with your serious plans. It is lovely to be silly at the right moment.”
–Horace
“Insomnia sharpens your math skills because you spend all night calculating how much sleep you’ll get if you’re able to ‘fall asleep right now.’ “
–Horace
“Insomnia sharpens your math skills because you spend all night calculating how much sleep you’ll get if you’re able to ‘fall asleep right now.’ “
That does not answer the question. What is the most serious conviction to come out of the January 6th prosecutions? Theft? Destruction of Government Property?Porteroso said:Amal Shuq-Up said:uhhh, huh. What is the most serious charge that has resulted in a conviction so far?C. Jordan said:
Plainly an insurrection.Quote:
Some legal scholars say that sedition charges could be justified but that prosecutors may be reluctant to bring them because of their legal complexity and the difficulty historically in securing convictions. Overzealousness in applying them going back centuries has also discredited their use. And defense attorneys say discussions of such charges only add to the hyperbole around the events of that day.
Overall, the bar for proving sedition isn't as high as it is for the related charge of treason. Still, sedition charges have been rare.
The last time U.S. prosecutors brought such a case was in 2010 in an alleged Michigan plot by members of the Hutaree militia to incite an uprising against the government. But a judge ordered acquittals on the sedition conspiracy charges at a 2012 trial, saying prosecutors relied too much on hateful diatribes protected by the First Amendment and didn't, as required, prove the accused ever had detailed plans for a rebellion.
Among the last successful convictions for seditious conspiracy stemmed from another, now largely forgotten storming of the Capitol in 1954 when four Puerto Rican nationalists opened fire on the House floor, wounding five representatives.
From
https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-government-and-politics-capitol-siege-61007f50fb3ebe15a07982112f05730c
The DOJ and the Federal Courts apparently disagree with your characterization of the events.
Amal Shuq-Up said:That does not answer the question. What is the most serious conviction to come out of the January 6th prosecutions? Theft? Destruction of Government Property?Porteroso said:Amal Shuq-Up said:uhhh, huh. What is the most serious charge that has resulted in a conviction so far?C. Jordan said:
Plainly an insurrection.Quote:
Some legal scholars say that sedition charges could be justified but that prosecutors may be reluctant to bring them because of their legal complexity and the difficulty historically in securing convictions. Overzealousness in applying them going back centuries has also discredited their use. And defense attorneys say discussions of such charges only add to the hyperbole around the events of that day.
Overall, the bar for proving sedition isn't as high as it is for the related charge of treason. Still, sedition charges have been rare.
The last time U.S. prosecutors brought such a case was in 2010 in an alleged Michigan plot by members of the Hutaree militia to incite an uprising against the government. But a judge ordered acquittals on the sedition conspiracy charges at a 2012 trial, saying prosecutors relied too much on hateful diatribes protected by the First Amendment and didn't, as required, prove the accused ever had detailed plans for a rebellion.
Among the last successful convictions for seditious conspiracy stemmed from another, now largely forgotten storming of the Capitol in 1954 when four Puerto Rican nationalists opened fire on the House floor, wounding five representatives.
From
https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-government-and-politics-capitol-siege-61007f50fb3ebe15a07982112f05730c
The DOJ and the Federal Courts apparently disagree with your characterization of the events.
Do you know how many federal judges called it an insurrection? Where do you get federal courts not thinking it was an insurrection?
MuddyBrazos and at least 4 others believe that these events were actually the work of Trump's opponents.C. Jordan said:
Plainly an insurrection.
The fact that so many of you are in denial about it is scary.
This false equivalency dog won't hunt.
Democracy almost died on that day. One man, Mike Pence, stood between us and the abyss. He saved democracy merely by doing the right thing.
The President of the United States conspired to overturn a constitutionally valid election. That's what history will show.
Also scary is that a year later, the Insurrectionist in Chief, Donald Trump, has a cult-like stranglehold on the Republican Party. This means Republicans are no longer partners in the American Experiment.
If democracy survives in this country (and it looks doubtful at the moment) Republican leaders will be repudiated as the cowards and grifters they are.
It is hard to have a conversation with delusionals. But nice attempt.
It does not matter what a federal judge calls "it." It only matters what the prosecutor and judge who hears the evidence calls it.Porteroso said:Amal Shuq-Up said:That does not answer the question. What is the most serious conviction to come out of the January 6th prosecutions? Theft? Destruction of Government Property?Porteroso said:Amal Shuq-Up said:uhhh, huh. What is the most serious charge that has resulted in a conviction so far?C. Jordan said:
Plainly an insurrection.Quote:
Some legal scholars say that sedition charges could be justified but that prosecutors may be reluctant to bring them because of their legal complexity and the difficulty historically in securing convictions. Overzealousness in applying them going back centuries has also discredited their use. And defense attorneys say discussions of such charges only add to the hyperbole around the events of that day.
Overall, the bar for proving sedition isn't as high as it is for the related charge of treason. Still, sedition charges have been rare.
The last time U.S. prosecutors brought such a case was in 2010 in an alleged Michigan plot by members of the Hutaree militia to incite an uprising against the government. But a judge ordered acquittals on the sedition conspiracy charges at a 2012 trial, saying prosecutors relied too much on hateful diatribes protected by the First Amendment and didn't, as required, prove the accused ever had detailed plans for a rebellion.
Among the last successful convictions for seditious conspiracy stemmed from another, now largely forgotten storming of the Capitol in 1954 when four Puerto Rican nationalists opened fire on the House floor, wounding five representatives.
From
https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-government-and-politics-capitol-siege-61007f50fb3ebe15a07982112f05730c
The DOJ and the Federal Courts apparently disagree with your characterization of the events.
Do you know how many federal judges called it an insurrection? Where do you get federal courts not thinking it was an insurrection?
The evidence is there to (at the very least) question the role the FBI played. You can choose to ignore it. But you should be careful who you call delusional.Booray said:MuddyBrazos and at least 4 others believe that these events were actually the work of Trump's opponents.C. Jordan said:
Plainly an insurrection.
The fact that so many of you are in denial about it is scary.
This false equivalency dog won't hunt.
Democracy almost died on that day. One man, Mike Pence, stood between us and the abyss. He saved democracy merely by doing the right thing.
The President of the United States conspired to overturn a constitutionally valid election. That's what history will show.
Also scary is that a year later, the Insurrectionist in Chief, Donald Trump, has a cult-like stranglehold on the Republican Party. This means Republicans are no longer partners in the American Experiment.
If democracy survives in this country (and it looks doubtful at the moment) Republican leaders will be repudiated as the cowards and grifters they are.
It is hard to have a conversation with delusionals. But nice attempt.
Most liberals were happy to call anyone that didn't agree with them regarding Trump and Russia delusionsal.
You will often find FBI agents where criminal activity happens. That doesn't mean the FBI caused the criminal activity. Anyone who believes the mob was a "false flag" is delusional. Period.BearFan33 said:The evidence is there to (at the very least) question the role the FBI played. You can choose to ignore it. But you should be careful who you call delusional.Booray said:MuddyBrazos and at least 4 others believe that these events were actually the work of Trump's opponents.C. Jordan said:
Plainly an insurrection.
The fact that so many of you are in denial about it is scary.
This false equivalency dog won't hunt.
Democracy almost died on that day. One man, Mike Pence, stood between us and the abyss. He saved democracy merely by doing the right thing.
The President of the United States conspired to overturn a constitutionally valid election. That's what history will show.
Also scary is that a year later, the Insurrectionist in Chief, Donald Trump, has a cult-like stranglehold on the Republican Party. This means Republicans are no longer partners in the American Experiment.
If democracy survives in this country (and it looks doubtful at the moment) Republican leaders will be repudiated as the cowards and grifters they are.
It is hard to have a conversation with delusionals. But nice attempt.
Most liberals were happy to call anyone that didn't agree with them regarding Trump and Russia delusionsal.
lolC. Jordan said:
Plainly an insurrection.
The fact that so many of you are in denial about it is scary.
This false equivalency dog won't hunt.
Democracy almost died on that day. One man, Mike Pence, stood between us and the abyss. He saved democracy merely by doing the right thing.
The President of the United States conspired to overturn a constitutionally valid election. That's what history will show.
Also scary is that a year later, the Insurrectionist in Chief, Donald Trump, has a cult-like stranglehold on the Republican Party. This means Republicans are no longer partners in the American Experiment.
If democracy survives in this country (and it looks doubtful at the moment) Republican leaders will be repudiated as the cowards and grifters they are.
You think democracy won't survive because some people entered the capitol building and took selfies with cops while ignoring the fact that what occurred all last summer is the evidence why democracy wont' survive.
lol
The democrat sponsored and promoted blm/Antifa riots went on for a year. Not sure where the "last summer" thing started but it went on much longer.Rawhide said:lolC. Jordan said:
Plainly an insurrection.
The fact that so many of you are in denial about it is scary.
This false equivalency dog won't hunt.
Democracy almost died on that day. One man, Mike Pence, stood between us and the abyss. He saved democracy merely by doing the right thing.
The President of the United States conspired to overturn a constitutionally valid election. That's what history will show.
Also scary is that a year later, the Insurrectionist in Chief, Donald Trump, has a cult-like stranglehold on the Republican Party. This means Republicans are no longer partners in the American Experiment.
If democracy survives in this country (and it looks doubtful at the moment) Republican leaders will be repudiated as the cowards and grifters they are.
You think democracy won't survive because some people entered the capitol building and took selfies with cops while ignoring the fact that what occurred all last summer is the evidence why democracy wont' survive.
wake up people!!! Democrats in DC are the Enemy. if you support this movement and listen to the alphabet stations/ Media you have serious issues. you are misinformed.
You and many other boomers like you are deluded that you actually live in a real democracy. You live in a uniparty state. Trump wasnt supposed to happen and he damn sure wasnt allowed to happen twice.Booray said:MuddyBrazos and at least 4 others believe that these events were actually the work of Trump's opponents.C. Jordan said:
Plainly an insurrection.
The fact that so many of you are in denial about it is scary.
This false equivalency dog won't hunt.
Democracy almost died on that day. One man, Mike Pence, stood between us and the abyss. He saved democracy merely by doing the right thing.
The President of the United States conspired to overturn a constitutionally valid election. That's what history will show.
Also scary is that a year later, the Insurrectionist in Chief, Donald Trump, has a cult-like stranglehold on the Republican Party. This means Republicans are no longer partners in the American Experiment.
If democracy survives in this country (and it looks doubtful at the moment) Republican leaders will be repudiated as the cowards and grifters they are.
It is hard to have a conversation with delusionals. But nice attempt.
Democracy cannot survive unless America likes Walter more.Cobretti said:
We certainly live in a democracy. the fact that the democracy has chosen to vote for either of two parties that are not very far off from each other does not change that fact. Its what the majority wants, that is the will of the people.muddybrazos said:You and many other boomers like you are deluded that you actually live in a real democracy. You live in a uniparty state. Trump wasnt supposed to happen and he damn sure wasnt allowed to happen twice.Booray said:MuddyBrazos and at least 4 others believe that these events were actually the work of Trump's opponents.C. Jordan said:
Plainly an insurrection.
The fact that so many of you are in denial about it is scary.
This false equivalency dog won't hunt.
Democracy almost died on that day. One man, Mike Pence, stood between us and the abyss. He saved democracy merely by doing the right thing.
The President of the United States conspired to overturn a constitutionally valid election. That's what history will show.
Also scary is that a year later, the Insurrectionist in Chief, Donald Trump, has a cult-like stranglehold on the Republican Party. This means Republicans are no longer partners in the American Experiment.
If democracy survives in this country (and it looks doubtful at the moment) Republican leaders will be repudiated as the cowards and grifters they are.
It is hard to have a conversation with delusionals. But nice attempt.
The only person that prevented Donald Trump from being re-elected was Donald Trump.
Obvisoulsy he was seen as a threat to the DC system or else they wouldnt have spent everyday trying to impeach and get rid of him. The feds absolutely had assets in the crowd that were trying to incite this whole thing. If that werent true then all of these people who are on video from the 6th would be locked up in jail with the rest of the selfie takers.Booray said:We certainly live in a democracy. the fact that the democracy has chosen to vote for either of two parties that are not very far off from each other does not change that fact. Its what the majority wants, that is the will of the people.muddybrazos said:You and many other boomers like you are deluded that you actually live in a real democracy. You live in a uniparty state. Trump wasnt supposed to happen and he damn sure wasnt allowed to happen twice.Booray said:MuddyBrazos and at least 4 others believe that these events were actually the work of Trump's opponents.C. Jordan said:
Plainly an insurrection.
The fact that so many of you are in denial about it is scary.
This false equivalency dog won't hunt.
Democracy almost died on that day. One man, Mike Pence, stood between us and the abyss. He saved democracy merely by doing the right thing.
The President of the United States conspired to overturn a constitutionally valid election. That's what history will show.
Also scary is that a year later, the Insurrectionist in Chief, Donald Trump, has a cult-like stranglehold on the Republican Party. This means Republicans are no longer partners in the American Experiment.
If democracy survives in this country (and it looks doubtful at the moment) Republican leaders will be repudiated as the cowards and grifters they are.
It is hard to have a conversation with delusionals. But nice attempt.
The only person that prevented Donald Trump from being re-elected was Donald Trump.
7 people died? What a bunch of BS!
One year ago today, a MAGA mob stormed the U.S. Capitol, in a terrorist attack that ultimately left seven people dead. Their goal was insurrection: to overturn the November election and keep the defeated president, Donald Trump, in power. #NeverForget https://t.co/6xyrmN8bqJ
— Joy-Ann (Pro-Democracy) Reid 😷 (@JoyAnnReid) January 6, 2022
Clearly, this is sarcasm... right?C. Jordan said:
Plainly an insurrection.
The fact that so many of you are in denial about it is scary.
This false equivalency dog won't hunt.
Democracy almost died on that day. One man, Mike Pence, stood between us and the abyss. He saved democracy merely by doing the right thing.
The President of the United States conspired to overturn a constitutionally valid election. That's what history will show.
Also scary is that a year later, the Insurrectionist in Chief, Donald Trump, has a cult-like stranglehold on the Republican Party. This means Republicans are no longer partners in the American Experiment.
If democracy survives in this country (and it looks doubtful at the moment) Republican leaders will be repudiated as the cowards and grifters they are.
You really can't be this stupid, can you?
ShooterTX
Maybe the reason 500+ arrested January 6 rioters aren’t being charged with “insurrection” is because it wasn’t an insurrection.
— Steve Krakauer (@SteveKrak) January 6, 2022
Pearl Harbor and 9/11 wasn't good enough an analogy, we need to go bigger!
MSNBC Guest likens capturing January 6th footage to filming Holocaust camps, and says that "it is like December 7th, Pearl Harbor, it is like the 9/11 tragedy." pic.twitter.com/hX7Sf1rDWr
— Townhall.com (@townhallcom) January 6, 2022
That should help ratchet down the inflammatory political rhetoric.Jack Bauer said:
Pearl Harbor and 9/11 wasn't good enough an analogy, we need to go bigger!MSNBC Guest likens capturing January 6th footage to filming Holocaust camps, and says that "it is like December 7th, Pearl Harbor, it is like the 9/11 tragedy." pic.twitter.com/hX7Sf1rDWr
— Townhall.com (@townhallcom) January 6, 2022
An insurrection is what happened when Joe Biden screwed up Afghanistan, got several US citizens and soldiers killed and the country was overtaken by the world's largest terrorist organization.C. Jordan said:
Plainly an insurrection.
Democracy almost died on that day.
Can you give me an example of how democracy could have almost died? You'll have to explain how the events would have unfolded to cause the entire federal government to pledge loyalty and obey a group of trespassers.
January 6, 2021 was a shameful day in American history. And it should disqualify Trump and the folks who bought into the stolen election theories from any future leadership. If it was not for Jan 6th and the aftermath of the MAGA crowd, both senators from Georgia would be in the GOP. As it sits now, only Joe Mancin can save this country from socialist financial and cultural ruin.
But to call the events anything more than a bunch of half cocked rednecks acting like fools is laughable. So a bunch of MAGA tards storming the capital is going to take over the government of the worlds largest nuclear power. Really?
The endless riots of 2020 were a much greater threat to the future of America and society than the debacle on January 6th. It is funny how the MSM will make such a big deal about the potential loss of life and property damage of the events of Jan 6 but still to this day do not give a rats rear end about the damage of the endless riots.
But to call the events anything more than a bunch of half cocked rednecks acting like fools is laughable. So a bunch of MAGA tards storming the capital is going to take over the government of the worlds largest nuclear power. Really?
The endless riots of 2020 were a much greater threat to the future of America and society than the debacle on January 6th. It is funny how the MSM will make such a big deal about the potential loss of life and property damage of the events of Jan 6 but still to this day do not give a rats rear end about the damage of the endless riots.
So when nothing happens today (like ever other date in the last year there was supposed to be some sort of uprising or right-wing violent event), is anyone in the MSM, congress, the white house walk back any of their rhetoric?
I know the answer, but wanted to bring it up.
I know the answer, but wanted to bring it up.
If you don't give Chuck Schumer $5, democracy as we know it will vanish!!!
"Five people were killed" - The F??
"Five people were killed" - The F??
next we have @SenSchumer recounting "the horrific events" and asking people to donate to "not allow history to be erased." pic.twitter.com/jsHsxIArsI
— Beth Baumann (@eb454) January 6, 2022
Ghouls.
For further reference, this is more what an actual insurrection / coup / revolution looks like:
https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/troops-protesters-clash-almaty-main-square-kazakhstan-shots-heard-2022-01-06/
https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/troops-protesters-clash-almaty-main-square-kazakhstan-shots-heard-2022-01-06/
You can't blame the Dems for making a big deal out of January 6th. They're using the ammunition they've been given. That's what Dems do. It's smart politics. Instead blame the hapless Republicans for refusing to do the same thing with the BLM riots.
Incredible to think that less than 2 years ago, liberal lawmakers were openly supporting riots that resulted in at least 40+ deaths, $2 billion + of damage, and attacks against state & federal buildings and law enforcement officers.
"It pretends to persecute no one. It pretends to fear nothing. It pretends to pretend nothing"
Incredible to think that less than 2 years ago, liberal lawmakers were openly supporting riots that resulted in at least 40+ deaths, $2 billion + of damage, and attacks against state & federal buildings and law enforcement officers.
"It pretends to persecute no one. It pretends to fear nothing. It pretends to pretend nothing"
NYT: Help Me Find Trump's 'Anarchists' in Portland
Perception :
Reality
Perception :
Reality
Democrats are now shaking hands with....DICK CHENEY...on the House Floor.