I believe Biden has handled Ukraine, Russia and NATO about right. This crisis required coalition and a coalition requires persuasion. I don't believe Trump could have brought NATYO and the rest of the world together on the sanctions.

We don't need a cowboy or a bully for this one.

So far, so good. Credit where credit is due.

Except for the minor little detail that had Trump still been the POTUS there wouldn't have been the need to build a coalition because Putin never would've invaded Ukraine and a whole lot of Ukrainians and for that matter a bunch of Russian soldiers wouldn't have lost their lives - not to mention the massive ongoing humanitarian refugee crises in Europe that wouldn't have happened.

Johnny Bear said:

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Except for the minor little detail that had Trump still been the POTUS there wouldn't have been the need to build a coalition because Putin never would've invaded Ukraine and a whole lot of Ukrainians and for that matter a bunch of Russian soldiers wouldn't have lost their lives - not to mention the massive ongoing humanitarian refugee crises in Europe that wouldn't have happened.

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Possible, but unknowable

Osodecentx said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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Except for the minor little detail that had Trump still been the POTUS there wouldn't have been the need to build a coalition because Putin never would've invaded Ukraine and a whole lot of Ukrainians and for that matter a bunch of Russian soldiers wouldn't have lost their lives - not to mention the massive ongoing humanitarian refugee crises in Europe that wouldn't have happened.

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Possible3, but unknowable

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LOL!!

B.S.

Johnny Bear said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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Except for the minor little detail that had Trump still been the POTUS there wouldn't have been the need to build a coalition because Putin never would've invaded Ukraine and a whole lot of Ukrainians and for that matter a bunch of Russian soldiers wouldn't have lost their lives - not to mention the massive ongoing humanitarian refugee crises in Europe that wouldn't have happened.

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Possible3, but unknowable

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LOL!!

B.S.

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And if I had invested in Apple, Microsoft, and Facebook 15 years ago I'd be retired

Biden is a idiot and Kamalla is a ding bat.

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Biden is a idiot and Kamalla is a ding bat.

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Not the words I would have chosen, but close to my sentiments

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Biden is a idiot and Kamalla is a ding bat.

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Not the words I would have chosen, but close to my sentiments

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And yet (assuming you're serious) you think he's done a good job with the Ukraine situation(??).

My problem with Biden are his public statements. He has destroyed any reason to believe he is making US policy.

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Osodecentx said:

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chriscbear said:

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Biden is a idiot and Kamalla is a ding bat.

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Not the words I would have chosen, but close to my sentiments

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And yet (assuming you're serious) you think he's done a good job with the Ukraine situation(??).

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Since Putin invaded, yes.

Many things could have and should have been done before that.

My evaluation starts since Putin invaded. I think Biden has don well since then. Trump couldn't have put this coalition together

Last time Putin invaded and bombed that part of the world, the same group was in the White House. Yeah, completely unknowable. How did some of you get out of elementary school?

cOinCiDeNcE!!!!!!

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cOinCiDeNcE!!!!!!

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Substance?
Make your argument

Osodecentx said:

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I believe Biden has handled Ukraine, Russia and NATO about right. This crisis required coalition and a coalition requires persuasion. I don't believe Trump could have brought NATYO and the rest of the world together on the sanctions.

We don't need a cowboy or a bully for this one.

So far, so good. Credit where credit is due.

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Except for one minor problem... Putin is still in Ukraine, and is gaining ground. How can you give him credit as if he accomplished something, when he has yet to achieve a single thing of relevance??
Forming a coalition that refuses to get involved... is NOT an accomplishment. Getting NATO to sit out of a war, is NOT something impressive.

I would give him credit, if he actual accomplished anything... but so far Biden is a horrible failure.

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Wangchung said:

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cOinCiDeNcE!!!!!!

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Substance?
Make your argument

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I was kind of making your argument, not mine. "It's a coincidence!" is a common refrain heard in defense of democrats.

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Osodecentx said:

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I believe Biden has handled Ukraine, Russia and NATO about right. This crisis required coalition and a coalition requires persuasion. I don't believe Trump could have brought NATYO and the rest of the world together on the sanctions.

We don't need a cowboy or a bully for this one.

So far, so good. Credit where credit is due.

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Except for one minor problem... Putin is still in Ukraine, and is gaining ground. How can you give him credit as if he accomplished something, when he has yet to achieve a single thing of relevance??
Forming a coalition that refuses to get involved... is NOT an accomplishment. Getting NATO to sit out of a war, is NOT something impressive.

I would give him credit, if he actual accomplished anything... but so far Biden is a horrible failure.

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Substance?

Make your argument

I said there are many things that could have been done earlier, but weren't. Starting at the moment Putin invaded, I think Biden has done well

Wangchung said:

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Wangchung said:

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cOinCiDeNcE!!!!!!

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Substance?
Make your argument

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I was kind of making your argument, not mine. "It's a coincidence!" is a common refrain heard in defense of democrats.

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Substance?

Make your argument

Oh cute, you're going to ignore responses and copy and paste.

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Oh cute, you're going to ignore responses and copy and paste.

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Substance?

Make your argument

Well, okay: LOLOLOLOLOL!!!!

I think the only substance I need is to hear how JB is somehow solely responsible for this coalition. Other than just saying it needed to happen. (Something the rest of the world already knew when Putin attacked Ukraine.)

Yes, he sanctioned. And he's put the word out that the rest of the world needs to as well. So what. Nothing like stating the obvious.

But I heard it mentioned very early on that the reason the world is largely coming together on this is Putin.
Putin attacking a sovereign nation. And Zelensky being the powerhouse warrior he is, appealing to the world. Something he was doing even before the attack happened.

The USA is always a big player in these situations, and the world will look to us.

But to think the world has one ounce of respect for JB or KH based on their record over the past year, I need more substance and evidence that proves that to be the case too.

I'm sure they looked to the USA, and hoped...and prayed.. the leader wouldn't screw it up. He hasn't screwed it up exactly, and the free world can be at least content with that.

And I'm not going to say what DT would have done, or not done. I won't surmise what would have happened overseas had he been president. Who knows? But what we do know is that JB has a horrible track record here in the USA alone. You think the world is going to see him in some powerful light when his approval rating in his own country is abysmal?

Again, when Putin attacked Ukraine....THAT brought the free world together. JB agreeing and giving his support for sanctions at least proved he wouldn't screw up that part of it anyway.

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Osodecentx said:

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I believe Biden has handled Ukraine, Russia and NATO about right. This crisis required coalition and a coalition requires persuasion. I don't believe Trump could have brought NATYO and the rest of the world together on the sanctions.

We don't need a cowboy or a bully for this one.

So far, so good. Credit where credit is due.

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Except for one minor problem... Putin is still in Ukraine, and is gaining ground. How can you give him credit as if he accomplished something, when he has yet to achieve a single thing of relevance??
Forming a coalition that refuses to get involved... is NOT an accomplishment. Getting NATO to sit out of a war, is NOT something impressive.

I would give him credit, if he actual accomplished anything... but so far Biden is a horrible failure.

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Substance?

Make your argument

I said there are many things that could have been done earlier, but weren't. Starting at the moment Putin invaded, I think Biden has done well

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You ask me for substance?
He has yet to accomplish anything. Where is YOUR substance? What has he accomplished? How has he done well?

NATO is held together by a decades old treaty... not by anything that Biden has done.
He has put together a coalition that has done nothing, and has promised to do nothing... hardly an accomplishment by any standard.

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Johnny Bear said:

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Except for the minor little detail that had Trump still been the POTUS there wouldn't have been the need to build a coalition because Putin never would've invaded Ukraine and a whole lot of Ukrainians and for that matter a bunch of Russian soldiers wouldn't have lost their lives - not to mention the massive ongoing humanitarian refugee crises in Europe that wouldn't have happened.

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Possible, but unknowable

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2012 - Obama lets the chemical weapons use slide after making it his line in the sand comment.

2014 - Putin takes Crimea

4/4/2017 - Syria uses chemical weapons.
4/7/2017 - Trump sends 59 cruise missiles and tells Russia before he does it.
Rest of Trumps term, crickets...

Biden is elected

8/2021 - Afghan withdrawal
1/2022- minor incursion comment an no troops
2/2022 - Putin invades Ukraine

I dont think we need to speculate, we have history. We saw 4 years with no Russian invasion. How come that doesn't count? Oh yeah, its Trump.

It is a good thing many states run well on autopilot.

Osodecentx said:

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ShooterTX said:

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Osodecentx said:

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I believe Biden has handled Ukraine, Russia and NATO about right. This crisis required coalition and a coalition requires persuasion. I don't believe Trump could have brought NATYO and the rest of the world together on the sanctions.

We don't need a cowboy or a bully for this one.

So far, so good. Credit where credit is due.

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Except for one minor problem... Putin is still in Ukraine, and is gaining ground. How can you give him credit as if he accomplished something, when he has yet to achieve a single thing of relevance??
Forming a coalition that refuses to get involved... is NOT an accomplishment. Getting NATO to sit out of a war, is NOT something impressive.

I would give him credit, if he actual accomplished anything... but so far Biden is a horrible failure.

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Substance?

Make your argument

I said there are many things that could have been done earlier, but weren't. Starting at the moment Putin invaded, I think Biden has done well

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I think the doctors did a lot of things well trying to save JFK after Oswald shot him. Starting from the moment he was shot in the head, all actions were done well.

Unfortunately, he was shot in the head. Had he not been shot, we wouldn't have been able to pat the doctors on the back for a job well done.

Good grief.

OP would also laud Neville Chamberlain for guaranteeing peace in our time.

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Osodecentx said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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Except for the minor little detail that had Trump still been the POTUS there wouldn't have been the need to build a coalition because Putin never would've invaded Ukraine and a whole lot of Ukrainians and for that matter a bunch of Russian soldiers wouldn't have lost their lives - not to mention the massive ongoing humanitarian refugee crises in Europe that wouldn't have happened.

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Possible, but unknowable

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2012 - Obama lets the chemical weapons use slide after making it his line in the sand comment.

2014 - Putin takes Crimea

4/4/2017 - Syria uses chemical weapons.
4/7/2017 - Trump sends 59 cruise missiles and tells Russia before he does it.
Rest of Trumps term, crickets...

Biden is elected

8/2021 - Afghan withdrawal
1/2022- minor incursion comment an no troops
2/2022 - Putin invades Ukraine

I dont think we need to speculate, we have history. We saw 4 years with no Russian invasion. How come that doesn't count? Oh yeah, its Trump.

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Coincidence!

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OP would also laud Neville Chamberlain for guaranteeing peace in our time.

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OP is a leftist dbag who lives to sell Covid panic. It's no wonder he's trying to back the dead president play here where the USA is made to look as weak as a new born baby and r3tarded as AOC. OP is an idiot.

You know what else was unknowable? This clown show of an administration's hostility to the domestic oil and gas industry.

Weak resolve in Afghanistan and Iran encouraged Putin that he'd never have a better chance than now. Sure, Biden hasn't made the situation worse by not jumping directly into the fight and rallying the rest of the world to do what they can without precipitating nuclear war, but its his weak ass that brought this on.

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I believe Biden has handled Ukraine, Russia and NATO about right. This crisis required coalition and a coalition requires persuasion. I don't believe Trump could have brought NATYO and the rest of the world together on the sanctions.

We don't need a cowboy or a bully for this one.

So far, so good. Credit where credit is due.

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Thanks for your input Dr. Jill!

Osodecentx said:

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I believe Biden has handled Ukraine, Russia and NATO about right. This crisis required coalition and a coalition requires persuasion. I don't believe Trump could have brought NATYO and the rest of the world together on the sanctions.

We don't need a cowboy or a bully for this one.

So far, so good. Credit where credit is due.

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VP Harris was publicly encouraging the admission of Ukraine into NATO less than two weeks before Putin invaded .

Despite weeks of Putin's warnings, despite weeks of Putin positioning thousands of troops along the Ukrainian border..... ............the Biden administration went ahead and basically told Putin to 'stuff it' and continued to offer NATO membership to Ukraine.

' handled about right '

Ridiculous .

Osodecentx said:

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ShooterTX said:

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Osodecentx said:

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I believe Biden has handled Ukraine, Russia and NATO about right. This crisis required coalition and a coalition requires persuasion. I don't believe Trump could have brought NATYO and the rest of the world together on the sanctions.

We don't need a cowboy or a bully for this one.

So far, so good. Credit where credit is due.

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Except for one minor problem... Putin is still in Ukraine, and is gaining ground. How can you give him credit as if he accomplished something, when he has yet to achieve a single thing of relevance??
Forming a coalition that refuses to get involved... is NOT an accomplishment. Getting NATO to sit out of a war, is NOT something impressive.

I would give him credit, if he actual accomplished anything... but so far Biden is a horrible failure.

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Substance?

Make your argument

I said there are many things that could have been done earlier, but weren't. Starting at the moment Putin invaded, I think Biden has done well

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So if we ignore that Russia invaded Ukraine on Biden's watch and he did little to prevent it and even telegraphed our plan not to commit troops weeks before the invasion but look at the small window between after Russia invaded and now Biden's done a good job?

Cool thread.

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Johnny Bear said:

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Except for the minor little detail that had Trump still been the POTUS there wouldn't have been the need to build a coalition because Putin never would've invaded Ukraine and a whole lot of Ukrainians and for that matter a bunch of Russian soldiers wouldn't have lost their lives - not to mention the massive ongoing humanitarian refugee crises in Europe that wouldn't have happened.

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Possible3, but unknowable

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LOL!!

B.S.

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And if I had invested in Apple, Microsoft, and Facebook 15 years ago I'd be retired

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That's hindsight, not alternate reality.

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Osodecentx said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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Except for the minor little detail that had Trump still been the POTUS there wouldn't have been the need to build a coalition because Putin never would've invaded Ukraine and a whole lot of Ukrainians and for that matter a bunch of Russian soldiers wouldn't have lost their lives - not to mention the massive ongoing humanitarian refugee crises in Europe that wouldn't have happened.

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Possible3, but unknowable

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LOL!!

B.S.

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And if I had invested in Apple, Microsoft, and Facebook 15 years ago I'd be retired

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That's hindsight, not alternate reality.

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Shhhh….[whispers] He's trying to be clever.

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Osodecentx said:

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I believe Biden has handled Ukraine, Russia and NATO about right. This crisis required coalition and a coalition requires persuasion. I don't believe Trump could have brought NATYO and the rest of the world together on the sanctions.

We don't need a cowboy or a bully for this one.

So far, so good. Credit where credit is due.

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VP Harris was publicly encouraging the admission of Ukraine into NATO less than two weeks before Putin invaded .

Despite weeks of Putin's warnings, despite weeks of Putin positioning thousands of troops along the Ukrainian border..... ............the Biden administration went ahead and basically told Putin to 'stuff it' and continued to offer NATO membership to Ukraine.

' handled about right '

Ridiculous .

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Well, we know your position is because Russia has nuclear weapons they should set policy in Europe, what Ukraine or the rest of the west wants is immaterial. Can't agree with that. Ukraine should have the same opportunity to go to NATO as the Baltics, Romania, Poland, and others. Putin is not part of the decision process.