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Osodecentx said:

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ShooterTX said:

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Osodecentx said:

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I believe Biden has handled Ukraine, Russia and NATO about right. This crisis required coalition and a coalition requires persuasion. I don't believe Trump could have brought NATYO and the rest of the world together on the sanctions.

We don't need a cowboy or a bully for this one.

So far, so good. Credit where credit is due.

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Except for one minor problem... Putin is still in Ukraine, and is gaining ground. How can you give him credit as if he accomplished something, when he has yet to achieve a single thing of relevance??
Forming a coalition that refuses to get involved... is NOT an accomplishment. Getting NATO to sit out of a war, is NOT something impressive.

I would give him credit, if he actual accomplished anything... but so far Biden is a horrible failure.

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Substance?

Make your argument

I said there are many things that could have been done earlier, but weren't. Starting at the moment Putin invaded, I think Biden has done well

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You ask me for substance?
He has yet to accomplish anything. Where is YOUR substance? What has he accomplished? How has he done well?

NATO is held together by a decades old treaty... not by anything that Biden has done.
He has put together a coalition that has done nothing, and has promised to do nothing... hardly an accomplishment by any standard.

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So far, it is going about as well as can be expected. It appears the whole world is united against Russia and we aren't in a shooting war with Russia. I don't believe Trump could have done this

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Except for the minor little detail that had Trump still been the POTUS there wouldn't have been the need to build a coalition because Putin never would've invaded Ukraine and a whole lot of Ukrainians and for that matter a bunch of Russian soldiers wouldn't have lost their lives - not to mention the massive ongoing humanitarian refugee crises in Europe that wouldn't have happened.

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Possible, but unknowable

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2012 - Obama lets the chemical weapons use slide after making it his line in the sand comment.

2014 - Putin takes Crimea

4/4/2017 - Syria uses chemical weapons.
4/7/2017 - Trump sends 59 cruise missiles and tells Russia before he does it.
Rest of Trumps term, crickets...

Biden is elected

8/2021 - Afghan withdrawal
1/2022- minor incursion comment an no troops
2/2022 - Putin invades Ukraine

I dont think we need to speculate, we have history. We saw 4 years with no Russian invasion. How come that doesn't count? Oh yeah, its Trump.

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It is not knowable. We just can't know what would have happened if Trump had been elected.

It is possible that Putin would not have invaded if DJT were POTUS. However, since the invasion, I think Biden has handled it pretty well

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OP would also laud Neville Chamberlain for guaranteeing peace in our time.

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OP is a leftist dbag who lives to sell Covid panic. It's no wonder he's trying to back the dead president play here where the USA is made to look as weak as a new born baby and r3tarded as AOC. OP is an idiot.

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LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!

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Weak resolve in Afghanistan and Iran encouraged Putin that he'd never have a better chance than now. Sure, Biden hasn't made the situation worse by not jumping directly into the fight and rallying the rest of the world to do what they can without precipitating nuclear war, but its his weak ass that brought this on.

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I agree with this. JB's energy policy is horrible and is making things here worse. Germany's energy policy played into Putin's hands.

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Osodecentx said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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Except for the minor little detail that had Trump still been the POTUS there wouldn't have been the need to build a coalition because Putin never would've invaded Ukraine and a whole lot of Ukrainians and for that matter a bunch of Russian soldiers wouldn't have lost their lives - not to mention the massive ongoing humanitarian refugee crises in Europe that wouldn't have happened.

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Possible3, but unknowable

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LOL!!

B.S.

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And if I had invested in Apple, Microsoft, and Facebook 15 years ago I'd be retired

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That's hindsight, not alternate reality.

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Exactly. Trump isn't POTUS and we can't know what would have happened if he still were

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Osodecentx said:

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I believe Biden has handled Ukraine, Russia and NATO about right. This crisis required coalition and a coalition requires persuasion. I don't believe Trump could have brought NATYO and the rest of the world together on the sanctions.

We don't need a cowboy or a bully for this one.

So far, so good. Credit where credit is due.

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VP Harris was publicly encouraging the admission of Ukraine into NATO less than two weeks before Putin invaded .

Despite weeks of Putin's warnings, despite weeks of Putin positioning thousands of troops along the Ukrainian border..... ............the Biden administration went ahead and basically told Putin to 'stuff it' and continued to offer NATO membership to Ukraine.

' handled about right '

Ridiculous .

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Did we offer Ukraine NATO membership or insist that Ukraine, a sovereign country, had the right to decide whether to seek membership. There is a difference. Ukraine seeking membership (they didn't) is not an offer of membership.

I'm not defending this administration's actions prior to the invasion. Many things JB did encouraged Putin to think he could get away with it. However, since the invasion, I think JB has 'handled it about right'

Anyone thinking Biden is good at anything is delusional. he is fricking ass hat...kamala is part deux ass hat

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ShooterTX said:

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Osodecentx said:

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ShooterTX said:

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Osodecentx said:

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I believe Biden has handled Ukraine, Russia and NATO about right. This crisis required coalition and a coalition requires persuasion. I don't believe Trump could have brought NATYO and the rest of the world together on the sanctions.

We don't need a cowboy or a bully for this one.

So far, so good. Credit where credit is due.

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Except for one minor problem... Putin is still in Ukraine, and is gaining ground. How can you give him credit as if he accomplished something, when he has yet to achieve a single thing of relevance??
Forming a coalition that refuses to get involved... is NOT an accomplishment. Getting NATO to sit out of a war, is NOT something impressive.

I would give him credit, if he actual accomplished anything... but so far Biden is a horrible failure.

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Substance?

Make your argument

I said there are many things that could have been done earlier, but weren't. Starting at the moment Putin invaded, I think Biden has done well

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You ask me for substance?
He has yet to accomplish anything. Where is YOUR substance? What has he accomplished? How has he done well?

NATO is held together by a decades old treaty... not by anything that Biden has done.
He has put together a coalition that has done nothing, and has promised to do nothing... hardly an accomplishment by any standard.

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So far, it is going about as well as can be expected. It appears the whole world is united against Russia and we aren't in a shooting war with Russia. I don't believe Trump could have done this

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LOL

substance?


The whole world was united against Russia LONG before anyone woke Joe up from his nap and gave him a script to read. Joe had nothing to do with uniting anyone... he just joined the club a few days later.

At best, Joe has been "leading" from behind. I will give him credit in that we have not had a nuclear detonation yet.

Biden hasn't been "mostly right" with respect to anything when it comes to Ukraine. The suggestion is laughable, especially when this is a crisis he shares much of the blame for creating.

ShooterTX said:

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Osodecentx said:

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ShooterTX said:

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Osodecentx said:

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ShooterTX said:

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Osodecentx said:

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I believe Biden has handled Ukraine, Russia and NATO about right. This crisis required coalition and a coalition requires persuasion. I don't believe Trump could have brought NATYO and the rest of the world together on the sanctions.

We don't need a cowboy or a bully for this one.

So far, so good. Credit where credit is due.

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Except for one minor problem... Putin is still in Ukraine, and is gaining ground. How can you give him credit as if he accomplished something, when he has yet to achieve a single thing of relevance??
Forming a coalition that refuses to get involved... is NOT an accomplishment. Getting NATO to sit out of a war, is NOT something impressive.

I would give him credit, if he actual accomplished anything... but so far Biden is a horrible failure.

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Substance?

Make your argument

I said there are many things that could have been done earlier, but weren't. Starting at the moment Putin invaded, I think Biden has done well

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You ask me for substance?
He has yet to accomplish anything. Where is YOUR substance? What has he accomplished? How has he done well?

NATO is held together by a decades old treaty... not by anything that Biden has done.
He has put together a coalition that has done nothing, and has promised to do nothing... hardly an accomplishment by any standard.

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So far, it is going about as well as can be expected. It appears the whole world is united against Russia and we aren't in a shooting war with Russia. I don't believe Trump could have done this

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LOL

substance?


The whole world was united against Russia LONG before anyone woke Joe up from his nap and gave him a script to read.

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I would not say everyone was against Russia....

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ShooterTX said:

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Osodecentx said:

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ShooterTX said:

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Osodecentx said:

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ShooterTX said:

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Osodecentx said:

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I believe Biden has handled Ukraine, Russia and NATO about right. This crisis required coalition and a coalition requires persuasion. I don't believe Trump could have brought NATYO and the rest of the world together on the sanctions.

We don't need a cowboy or a bully for this one.

So far, so good. Credit where credit is due.

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Except for one minor problem... Putin is still in Ukraine, and is gaining ground. How can you give him credit as if he accomplished something, when he has yet to achieve a single thing of relevance??
Forming a coalition that refuses to get involved... is NOT an accomplishment. Getting NATO to sit out of a war, is NOT something impressive.

I would give him credit, if he actual accomplished anything... but so far Biden is a horrible failure.

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Substance?

Make your argument

I said there are many things that could have been done earlier, but weren't. Starting at the moment Putin invaded, I think Biden has done well

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You ask me for substance?
He has yet to accomplish anything. Where is YOUR substance? What has he accomplished? How has he done well?

NATO is held together by a decades old treaty... not by anything that Biden has done.
He has put together a coalition that has done nothing, and has promised to do nothing... hardly an accomplishment by any standard.

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So far, it is going about as well as can be expected. It appears the whole world is united against Russia and we aren't in a shooting war with Russia. I don't believe Trump could have done this

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LOL

substance?


The whole world was united against Russia LONG before anyone woke Joe up from his nap and gave him a script to read.

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I would not say everyone was against Russia....

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Canada2017 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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I believe Biden has handled Ukraine, Russia and NATO about right. This crisis required coalition and a coalition requires persuasion. I don't believe Trump could have brought NATYO and the rest of the world together on the sanctions.

We don't need a cowboy or a bully for this one.

So far, so good. Credit where credit is due.

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VP Harris was publicly encouraging the admission of Ukraine into NATO less than two weeks before Putin invaded .

Despite weeks of Putin's warnings, despite weeks of Putin positioning thousands of troops along the Ukrainian border..... ............the Biden administration went ahead and basically told Putin to 'stuff it' and continued to offer NATO membership to Ukraine.

' handled about right '

Ridiculous .

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Many things JB did encouraged Putin to think he could get away with it. However, since the invasion, I think JB has 'handled it about right'

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Ridiculous position to take .

Biden's administration ignored repeated warnings from Putin , ignored his massive military buildup …..and STiILL voiced support for Ukraine membership in NATO.

Thousands of people are dead as a result .

Nothing Biden has done since the invasion warrants any praise whatsoever.

As those thousands are irrevocably dead .

Canada2017 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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I believe Biden has handled Ukraine, Russia and NATO about right. This crisis required coalition and a coalition requires persuasion. I don't believe Trump could have brought NATYO and the rest of the world together on the sanctions.

We don't need a cowboy or a bully for this one.

So far, so good. Credit where credit is due.

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VP Harris was publicly encouraging the admission of Ukraine into NATO less than two weeks before Putin invaded .

Despite weeks of Putin's warnings, despite weeks of Putin positioning thousands of troops along the Ukrainian border..... ............the Biden administration went ahead and basically told Putin to 'stuff it' and continued to offer NATO membership to Ukraine.

' handled about right '

Ridiculous .

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Many things JB did encouraged Putin to think he could get away with it. However, since the invasion, I think JB has 'handled it about right'

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Ridiculous position to take .

Biden's administration ignored repeated warnings from Putin , ignored his massive military buildup …..and STiILL voiced support for Ukraine membership in NATO.

Thousands of people are dead as a result .

Nothing Biden has done since the invasion warrants any praise whatsoever.

As those thousands are irrevocably dead .

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I thought he started strong, but has floundered since. His first week was about on target to me, but since it has been more about not upsetting Putin than helping the millions of Ukrainians being impacted. Funny, how that is the one issue that keeps being left out, what the Ukrainians want.

Canada2017 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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I believe Biden has handled Ukraine, Russia and NATO about right. This crisis required coalition and a coalition requires persuasion. I don't believe Trump could have brought NATYO and the rest of the world together on the sanctions.

We don't need a cowboy or a bully for this one.

So far, so good. Credit where credit is due.

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VP Harris was publicly encouraging the admission of Ukraine into NATO less than two weeks before Putin invaded .

Despite weeks of Putin's warnings, despite weeks of Putin positioning thousands of troops along the Ukrainian border..... ............the Biden administration went ahead and basically told Putin to 'stuff it' and continued to offer NATO membership to Ukraine.

' handled about right '

Ridiculous .

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Many things JB did encouraged Putin to think he could get away with it. However, since the invasion, I think JB has 'handled it about right'

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Ridiculous position to take .

Biden's administration ignored repeated warnings from Putin , ignored his massive military buildup …..and STiILL voiced support for Ukraine membership in NATO.

Thousands of people are dead as a result .

Nothing Biden has done since the invasion warrants any praise whatsoever.

As those thousands are irrevocably dead .

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I guess we'll disagree.

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Biden hasn't been "mostly right" with respect to anything when it comes to Ukraine. The suggestion is laughable, especially when this is a crisis he shares much of the blame for creating.

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I agree that Biden deserves a lot of blame for the crisis.

That is why I limited my assessment to the time beginning with Putin's actual invasion. He has been mostly right since the invasion.

Osodecentx said:

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Mothra said:

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Biden hasn't been "mostly right" with respect to anything when it comes to Ukraine. The suggestion is laughable, especially when this is a crisis he shares much of the blame for creating.

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I agree that Biden deserves a lot of blame for the crisis.

That is why I limited my assessment to the time beginning with Putin's actual invasion. He has been mostly right since the invasion.

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Substance?
Make your argument

Osodecentx said:

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Mothra said:

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Biden hasn't been "mostly right" with respect to anything when it comes to Ukraine. The suggestion is laughable, especially when this is a crisis he shares much of the blame for creating.

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I agree that Biden deserves a lot of blame for the crisis.

That is why I limited my assessment to the time beginning with Putin's actual invasion. He has been mostly right since the invasion.

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I understand that in the small window between the time after Russia invaded and now you think Biden has done a good job. It's just an odd thread, when considering he is largely responsible for the situation.

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Osodecentx said:

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Mothra said:

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Biden hasn't been "mostly right" with respect to anything when it comes to Ukraine. The suggestion is laughable, especially when this is a crisis he shares much of the blame for creating.

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I agree that Biden deserves a lot of blame for the crisis.

That is why I limited my assessment to the time beginning with Putin's actual invasion. He has been mostly right since the invasion.

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I understand that in the small window between the time after Russia invaded and now you think Biden has done a good job. It's just an odd thread, when considering he is largely responsible for the situation.

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As heard on the Titanic: "Captain, I think you did a real good job of updating the Captain's Log immediately after we hit that iceberg."

Osodecentx said:

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Mothra said:

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Biden hasn't been "mostly right" with respect to anything when it comes to Ukraine. The suggestion is laughable, especially when this is a crisis he shares much of the blame for creating.

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I agree that Biden deserves a lot of blame for the crisis.

That is why I limited my assessment to the time beginning with Putin's actual invasion. He has been mostly right since the invasion.

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Based on WHAT ?

Russians are continuing to advance.

Ukrainian civilian casualties are escalating .

Holes are already appearing in the sanctions .

Harris continues to embarrass the government of the United States with absolutely bizarre statements .

Iran feels emboldened to attack a US consulate in Iraq with missiles .

China is now making fresh threats in regards to Taiwan .



So....... with respect.......just what in the world are you 'crediting' Biden with that remotely overshadows this self inflicted disaster ?

Canada2017 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Mothra said:

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Biden hasn't been "mostly right" with respect to anything when it comes to Ukraine. The suggestion is laughable, especially when this is a crisis he shares much of the blame for creating.

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I agree that Biden deserves a lot of blame for the crisis.

That is why I limited my assessment to the time beginning with Putin's actual invasion. He has been mostly right since the invasion.

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Based on WHAT ?

Russians are continuing to advance.

Ukrainian civilian casualties are escalating .

Holes are already appearing in the sanctions .

Harris continues to embarrass the government of the United States with absolutely bizarre statements .

Iran feels emboldened to attack a US consulate in Iraq with missiles .

China is now making fresh threats in regards to Taiwan .



So....... with respect.......just what in the world are you 'crediting' Biden with that remotely overshadows this disaster ?

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So far ...
We're not in a shooting war with a nuclear power
NATO is united in opposition to Russian aggression
We're getting weapons to Ukraine
Financial sanctions have taken Russia's economy down to virtually zero. Every company except companies selling life saving drugs refuses to do business in Russia.

I don't believe Trump could have done this.

like I said, "so far".

Canada2017 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Mothra said:

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Biden hasn't been "mostly right" with respect to anything when it comes to Ukraine. The suggestion is laughable, especially when this is a crisis he shares much of the blame for creating.

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I agree that Biden deserves a lot of blame for the crisis.

That is why I limited my assessment to the time beginning with Putin's actual invasion. He has been mostly right since the invasion.

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Based on WHAT ?

Russians are continuing to advance.

Ukrainian civilian casualties are escalating .

Holes are already appearing in the sanctions .

Harris continues to embarrass the government of the United States with absolutely bizarre statements .

Iran feels emboldened to attack a US consulate in Iraq with missiles .

China is now making fresh threats in regards to Taiwan .



So....... with respect.......just what in the world are you 'crediting' Biden with that remotely overshadows this self inflicted disaster ?

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No mean tweets.

Osodecentx said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Mothra said:

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Biden hasn't been "mostly right" with respect to anything when it comes to Ukraine. The suggestion is laughable, especially when this is a crisis he shares much of the blame for creating.

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I agree that Biden deserves a lot of blame for the crisis.

That is why I limited my assessment to the time beginning with Putin's actual invasion. He has been mostly right since the invasion.

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Based on WHAT ?

Russians are continuing to advance.

Ukrainian civilian casualties are escalating .

Holes are already appearing in the sanctions .

Harris continues to embarrass the government of the United States with absolutely bizarre statements .

Iran feels emboldened to attack a US consulate in Iraq with missiles .

China is now making fresh threats in regards to Taiwan .



So....... with respect.......just what in the world are you 'crediting' Biden with that remotely overshadows this disaster ?

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So far ...
We're not in a shooting war with a nuclear power
NATO is united in opposition to Russian aggression
We're getting weapons to Ukraine
Financial sanctions have taken Russia's economy down to virtually zero. Every company except companies selling life saving drugs refuses to do business in Russia.

I don't believe Trump could have done this.

like I said, "so far".

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You don't believe Trump could have avoided a shooting war with Russia, gotten weapons to Ukraine, hit Russia with financial sanctions, etc.?

Weird. I am confident Trump could have done all of the above, including unite Nato. These types of things have a way of galvanizing allies, and most likely would have done so here.

But again, I suspect there's little chance anything like the above would have been necessary under Trump.

Mothra said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Mothra said:

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Biden hasn't been "mostly right" with respect to anything when it comes to Ukraine. The suggestion is laughable, especially when this is a crisis he shares much of the blame for creating.

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I agree that Biden deserves a lot of blame for the crisis.

That is why I limited my assessment to the time beginning with Putin's actual invasion. He has been mostly right since the invasion.

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Based on WHAT ?

Russians are continuing to advance.

Ukrainian civilian casualties are escalating .

Holes are already appearing in the sanctions .

Harris continues to embarrass the government of the United States with absolutely bizarre statements .

Iran feels emboldened to attack a US consulate in Iraq with missiles .

China is now making fresh threats in regards to Taiwan .



So....... with respect.......just what in the world are you 'crediting' Biden with that remotely overshadows this disaster ?

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So far ...
We're not in a shooting war with a nuclear power
NATO is united in opposition to Russian aggression
We're getting weapons to Ukraine
Financial sanctions have taken Russia's economy down to virtually zero. Every company except companies selling life saving drugs refuses to do business in Russia.

I don't believe Trump could have done this.

like I said, "so far".

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You don't believe Trump could have avoided a shooting war with Russia, gotten weapons to Ukraine, hit Russia with financial sanctions, etc.?

Weird. I am confident Trump could have done all of the above, including unite Nato. These types of things have a way of galvanizing allies, and most likely would have done so here.

But again, I suspect there's little chance anything like the above would have been necessary under Trump.

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Don't play his game. You don't have to suspect anything. Trump was president for four years. Putin didn't do ***** Everything beyond that truth concerning Trump is just his imagination.

Osodecentx said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Mothra said:

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Biden hasn't been "mostly right" with respect to anything when it comes to Ukraine. The suggestion is laughable, especially when this is a crisis he shares much of the blame for creating.

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I agree that Biden deserves a lot of blame for the crisis.

That is why I limited my assessment to the time beginning with Putin's actual invasion. He has been mostly right since the invasion.

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Based on WHAT ?

Russians are continuing to advance.

Ukrainian civilian casualties are escalating .

Holes are already appearing in the sanctions .

Harris continues to embarrass the government of the United States with absolutely bizarre statements .

Iran feels emboldened to attack a US consulate in Iraq with missiles .

China is now making fresh threats in regards to Taiwan .



So....... with respect.......just what in the world are you 'crediting' Biden with that remotely overshadows this disaster ?

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So far ...
We're not in a shooting war with a nuclear power
NATO is united in opposition to Russian aggression
We're getting weapons to Ukraine
Financial sanctions have taken Russia's economy down to virtually zero. Every company except companies selling life saving drugs refuses to do business in Russia.

I don't believe Trump could have done this.

like I said, "so far".

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We are far more likely to be in a shooting war with a nuclear power NOW than 2 months ago.

It was PUTIN's threats to the rest of Europe that united NATO more than anything the Biden administration did. Only a hyper partisan could possibly believe old man Biden could inspire anyone to action . For that matter no politician in NATO did more for the NATO alliance than Putin's own bluster.

We have provided minimal weapons to Ukraine......least of all heavy armor or jet aircraft. Takes time to ship and distribute the mega tons required. And Ukraine is bleeding to death NOW.

Russian economy is NOT remotely at 'zero'...that is a self serving fantasy. Russia is already expanding markets in Iran, India and China .

Biden's administration pulled colossal blunders in the weeks prior to Putin's invasion . Blaming or comparing to Trump is ridiculous .

I have not witnessed a bigger self inflicted foreign policy disaster since LBJ expanded the Vietnam War after the so called Guld of Tonkin 'incident '.

Canada2017 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Mothra said:

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Biden hasn't been "mostly right" with respect to anything when it comes to Ukraine. The suggestion is laughable, especially when this is a crisis he shares much of the blame for creating.

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I agree that Biden deserves a lot of blame for the crisis.

That is why I limited my assessment to the time beginning with Putin's actual invasion. He has been mostly right since the invasion.

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Based on WHAT ?

Russians are continuing to advance.

Ukrainian civilian casualties are escalating .

Holes are already appearing in the sanctions .

Harris continues to embarrass the government of the United States with absolutely bizarre statements .

Iran feels emboldened to attack a US consulate in Iraq with missiles .

China is now making fresh threats in regards to Taiwan .



So....... with respect.......just what in the world are you 'crediting' Biden with that remotely overshadows this disaster ?

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So far ...
We're not in a shooting war with a nuclear power
NATO is united in opposition to Russian aggression
We're getting weapons to Ukraine
Financial sanctions have taken Russia's economy down to virtually zero. Every company except companies selling life saving drugs refuses to do business in Russia.

I don't believe Trump could have done this.

like I said, "so far".

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We are far more likely to be in a shooting war with a nuclear power NOW than 2 months ago.

It was PUTIN's threats to the rest of Europe that united NATO more than anything the Biden administration did. Only a hyper partisan could possibly believe old man Biden could inspire anyone to action . For that matter no politician in NATO did more for the NATO alliance than Putin's bluster.

We have provided minimal weapons to Ukraine......least of all heavy armor or jet aircraft. Takes time to ship and distribute the mega tons required. And Ukraine is bleeding to death NOW.

Russian economy is NOT remotely at 'zero'...that is a self serving fantasy. Russia is already expanding markets in Iran, India and China .

Biden's administration pulled colossal blunders in the weeks prior to Putin's invasion . Blaming or comparing to Trump is ridiculous .

I have not witnessed a bigger self inflicted foreign policy disaster since LBJ expanded the Vietnam War after the so called Guld of Tonkin 'incident '.

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I respect your opinion

Osodecentx said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Mothra said:

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Biden hasn't been "mostly right" with respect to anything when it comes to Ukraine. The suggestion is laughable, especially when this is a crisis he shares much of the blame for creating.

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I agree that Biden deserves a lot of blame for the crisis.

That is why I limited my assessment to the time beginning with Putin's actual invasion. He has been mostly right since the invasion.

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Based on WHAT ?

Russians are continuing to advance.

Ukrainian civilian casualties are escalating .

Holes are already appearing in the sanctions .

Harris continues to embarrass the government of the United States with absolutely bizarre statements .

Iran feels emboldened to attack a US consulate in Iraq with missiles .

China is now making fresh threats in regards to Taiwan .



So....... with respect.......just what in the world are you 'crediting' Biden with that remotely overshadows this disaster ?

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So far ...
We're not in a shooting war with a nuclear power
NATO is united in opposition to Russian aggression
We're getting weapons to Ukraine
Financial sanctions have taken Russia's economy down to virtually zero. Every company except companies selling life saving drugs refuses to do business in Russia.

I don't believe Trump could have done this.

like I said, "so far".

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We are far more likely to be in a shooting war with a nuclear power NOW than 2 months ago.

It was PUTIN's threats to the rest of Europe that united NATO more than anything the Biden administration did. Only a hyper partisan could possibly believe old man Biden could inspire anyone to action . For that matter no politician in NATO did more for the NATO alliance than Putin's bluster.

We have provided minimal weapons to Ukraine......least of all heavy armor or jet aircraft. Takes time to ship and distribute the mega tons required. And Ukraine is bleeding to death NOW.

Russian economy is NOT remotely at 'zero'...that is a self serving fantasy. Russia is already expanding markets in Iran, India and China .

Biden's administration pulled colossal blunders in the weeks prior to Putin's invasion . Blaming or comparing to Trump is ridiculous .

I have not witnessed a bigger self inflicted foreign policy disaster since LBJ expanded the Vietnam War after the so called Guld of Tonkin 'incident '.

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I respect your opinion

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Have always enjoyed our previous discussions .


Cannot in good conscious pretend to respect your vague assertions in this particular thread.


Thousands have died......and thousands ( possibly millions ) more will die in the coming weeks .

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Mothra said:

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Biden hasn't been "mostly right" with respect to anything when it comes to Ukraine. The suggestion is laughable, especially when this is a crisis he shares much of the blame for creating.

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I agree that Biden deserves a lot of blame for the crisis.

That is why I limited my assessment to the time beginning with Putin's actual invasion. He has been mostly right since the invasion.

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Based on WHAT ?

Russians are continuing to advance.

Ukrainian civilian casualties are escalating .

Holes are already appearing in the sanctions .

Harris continues to embarrass the government of the United States with absolutely bizarre statements .

Iran feels emboldened to attack a US consulate in Iraq with missiles .

China is now making fresh threats in regards to Taiwan .



So....... with respect.......just what in the world are you 'crediting' Biden with that remotely overshadows this disaster ?

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So far ...
We're not in a shooting war with a nuclear power
NATO is united in opposition to Russian aggression
We're getting weapons to Ukraine
Financial sanctions have taken Russia's economy down to virtually zero. Every company except companies selling life saving drugs refuses to do business in Russia.

I don't believe Trump could have done this.

like I said, "so far".

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We are far more likely to be in a shooting war with a nuclear power NOW than 2 months ago.

It was PUTIN's threats to the rest of Europe that united NATO more than anything the Biden administration did. Only a hyper partisan could possibly believe old man Biden could inspire anyone to action . For that matter no politician in NATO did more for the NATO alliance than Putin's bluster.

We have provided minimal weapons to Ukraine......least of all heavy armor or jet aircraft. Takes time to ship and distribute the mega tons required. And Ukraine is bleeding to death NOW.

Russian economy is NOT remotely at 'zero'...that is a self serving fantasy. Russia is already expanding markets in Iran, India and China .

Biden's administration pulled colossal blunders in the weeks prior to Putin's invasion . Blaming or comparing to Trump is ridiculous .

I have not witnessed a bigger self inflicted foreign policy disaster since LBJ expanded the Vietnam War after the so called Guld of Tonkin 'incident '.

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I respect your opinion

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But of course have no retort.

Mothra said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Mothra said:

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Biden hasn't been "mostly right" with respect to anything when it comes to Ukraine. The suggestion is laughable, especially when this is a crisis he shares much of the blame for creating.

---

I agree that Biden deserves a lot of blame for the crisis.

That is why I limited my assessment to the time beginning with Putin's actual invasion. He has been mostly right since the invasion.

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Based on WHAT ?

Russians are continuing to advance.

Ukrainian civilian casualties are escalating .

Holes are already appearing in the sanctions .

Harris continues to embarrass the government of the United States with absolutely bizarre statements .

Iran feels emboldened to attack a US consulate in Iraq with missiles .

China is now making fresh threats in regards to Taiwan .



So....... with respect.......just what in the world are you 'crediting' Biden with that remotely overshadows this disaster ?

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So far ...
We're not in a shooting war with a nuclear power
NATO is united in opposition to Russian aggression
We're getting weapons to Ukraine
Financial sanctions have taken Russia's economy down to virtually zero. Every company except companies selling life saving drugs refuses to do business in Russia.

I don't believe Trump could have done this.

like I said, "so far".

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We are far more likely to be in a shooting war with a nuclear power NOW than 2 months ago.

It was PUTIN's threats to the rest of Europe that united NATO more than anything the Biden administration did. Only a hyper partisan could possibly believe old man Biden could inspire anyone to action . For that matter no politician in NATO did more for the NATO alliance than Putin's bluster.

We have provided minimal weapons to Ukraine......least of all heavy armor or jet aircraft. Takes time to ship and distribute the mega tons required. And Ukraine is bleeding to death NOW.

Russian economy is NOT remotely at 'zero'...that is a self serving fantasy. Russia is already expanding markets in Iran, India and China .

Biden's administration pulled colossal blunders in the weeks prior to Putin's invasion . Blaming or comparing to Trump is ridiculous .

I have not witnessed a bigger self inflicted foreign policy disaster since LBJ expanded the Vietnam War after the so called Guld of Tonkin 'incident '.

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I respect your opinion

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But of course have no retort.

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I outlined my position in my earlier post to him and in my OP. I'm not going to change his mind and I consider him to be a good poster.

I don't feel the need to keep repeating my position or stoop to insults,

Osodecentx said:

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Mothra said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Mothra said:

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Biden hasn't been "mostly right" with respect to anything when it comes to Ukraine. The suggestion is laughable, especially when this is a crisis he shares much of the blame for creating.

---

I agree that Biden deserves a lot of blame for the crisis.

That is why I limited my assessment to the time beginning with Putin's actual invasion. He has been mostly right since the invasion.

---

Based on WHAT ?

Russians are continuing to advance.

Ukrainian civilian casualties are escalating .

Holes are already appearing in the sanctions .

Harris continues to embarrass the government of the United States with absolutely bizarre statements .

Iran feels emboldened to attack a US consulate in Iraq with missiles .

China is now making fresh threats in regards to Taiwan .



So....... with respect.......just what in the world are you 'crediting' Biden with that remotely overshadows this disaster ?

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So far ...
We're not in a shooting war with a nuclear power
NATO is united in opposition to Russian aggression
We're getting weapons to Ukraine
Financial sanctions have taken Russia's economy down to virtually zero. Every company except companies selling life saving drugs refuses to do business in Russia.

I don't believe Trump could have done this.

like I said, "so far".

---

We are far more likely to be in a shooting war with a nuclear power NOW than 2 months ago.

It was PUTIN's threats to the rest of Europe that united NATO more than anything the Biden administration did. Only a hyper partisan could possibly believe old man Biden could inspire anyone to action . For that matter no politician in NATO did more for the NATO alliance than Putin's bluster.

We have provided minimal weapons to Ukraine......least of all heavy armor or jet aircraft. Takes time to ship and distribute the mega tons required. And Ukraine is bleeding to death NOW.

Russian economy is NOT remotely at 'zero'...that is a self serving fantasy. Russia is already expanding markets in Iran, India and China .

Biden's administration pulled colossal blunders in the weeks prior to Putin's invasion . Blaming or comparing to Trump is ridiculous .

I have not witnessed a bigger self inflicted foreign policy disaster since LBJ expanded the Vietnam War after the so called Guld of Tonkin 'incident '.

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I respect your opinion

---

But of course have no retort.

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I outlined my position in my earlier post to him and in my OP. I'm not going to change his mind and I consider him to be a good poster.

I don't feel the need to keep repeating my position or stoop to insults,

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I agree no need to keep repeating the same thoroughly refuted position. Typically in those circumstances, you either concede your position or provide a retort that addresses his points.

Interestingly, you've done neither.

Mothra said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Mothra said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Mothra said:

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Biden hasn't been "mostly right" with respect to anything when it comes to Ukraine. The suggestion is laughable, especially when this is a crisis he shares much of the blame for creating.

---

I agree that Biden deserves a lot of blame for the crisis.

That is why I limited my assessment to the time beginning with Putin's actual invasion. He has been mostly right since the invasion.

---

Based on WHAT ?

Russians are continuing to advance.

Ukrainian civilian casualties are escalating .

Holes are already appearing in the sanctions .

Harris continues to embarrass the government of the United States with absolutely bizarre statements .

Iran feels emboldened to attack a US consulate in Iraq with missiles .

China is now making fresh threats in regards to Taiwan .



So....... with respect.......just what in the world are you 'crediting' Biden with that remotely overshadows this disaster ?

---

So far ...
We're not in a shooting war with a nuclear power
NATO is united in opposition to Russian aggression
We're getting weapons to Ukraine
Financial sanctions have taken Russia's economy down to virtually zero. Every company except companies selling life saving drugs refuses to do business in Russia.

I don't believe Trump could have done this.

like I said, "so far".

---

We are far more likely to be in a shooting war with a nuclear power NOW than 2 months ago.

It was PUTIN's threats to the rest of Europe that united NATO more than anything the Biden administration did. Only a hyper partisan could possibly believe old man Biden could inspire anyone to action . For that matter no politician in NATO did more for the NATO alliance than Putin's bluster.

We have provided minimal weapons to Ukraine......least of all heavy armor or jet aircraft. Takes time to ship and distribute the mega tons required. And Ukraine is bleeding to death NOW.

Russian economy is NOT remotely at 'zero'...that is a self serving fantasy. Russia is already expanding markets in Iran, India and China .

Biden's administration pulled colossal blunders in the weeks prior to Putin's invasion . Blaming or comparing to Trump is ridiculous .

I have not witnessed a bigger self inflicted foreign policy disaster since LBJ expanded the Vietnam War after the so called Guld of Tonkin 'incident '.

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I respect your opinion

---

But of course have no retort.

---

I outlined my position in my earlier post to him and in my OP. I'm not going to change his mind and I consider him to be a good poster.

I don't feel the need to keep repeating my position or stoop to insults,

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I agree no need to keep repeating the same thoroughly refuted position. Typically in those circumstances, you either concede your position or provide a retort that addresses his points.

Interestingly, you've done neither.

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Canada understands my position even if you don't

Osodecentx said:

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Mothra said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Mothra said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Mothra said:

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Biden hasn't been "mostly right" with respect to anything when it comes to Ukraine. The suggestion is laughable, especially when this is a crisis he shares much of the blame for creating.

---

I agree that Biden deserves a lot of blame for the crisis.

That is why I limited my assessment to the time beginning with Putin's actual invasion. He has been mostly right since the invasion.

---

Based on WHAT ?

Russians are continuing to advance.

Ukrainian civilian casualties are escalating .

Holes are already appearing in the sanctions .

Harris continues to embarrass the government of the United States with absolutely bizarre statements .

Iran feels emboldened to attack a US consulate in Iraq with missiles .

China is now making fresh threats in regards to Taiwan .



So....... with respect.......just what in the world are you 'crediting' Biden with that remotely overshadows this disaster ?

---

So far ...
We're not in a shooting war with a nuclear power
NATO is united in opposition to Russian aggression
We're getting weapons to Ukraine
Financial sanctions have taken Russia's economy down to virtually zero. Every company except companies selling life saving drugs refuses to do business in Russia.

I don't believe Trump could have done this.

like I said, "so far".

---

We are far more likely to be in a shooting war with a nuclear power NOW than 2 months ago.

It was PUTIN's threats to the rest of Europe that united NATO more than anything the Biden administration did. Only a hyper partisan could possibly believe old man Biden could inspire anyone to action . For that matter no politician in NATO did more for the NATO alliance than Putin's bluster.

We have provided minimal weapons to Ukraine......least of all heavy armor or jet aircraft. Takes time to ship and distribute the mega tons required. And Ukraine is bleeding to death NOW.

Russian economy is NOT remotely at 'zero'...that is a self serving fantasy. Russia is already expanding markets in Iran, India and China .

Biden's administration pulled colossal blunders in the weeks prior to Putin's invasion . Blaming or comparing to Trump is ridiculous .

I have not witnessed a bigger self inflicted foreign policy disaster since LBJ expanded the Vietnam War after the so called Guld of Tonkin 'incident '.

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I respect your opinion

---

But of course have no retort.

---

I outlined my position in my earlier post to him and in my OP. I'm not going to change his mind and I consider him to be a good poster.

I don't feel the need to keep repeating my position or stoop to insults,

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I agree no need to keep repeating the same thoroughly refuted position. Typically in those circumstances, you either concede your position or provide a retort that addresses his points.

Interestingly, you've done neither.

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Canada understands my position even if you don't

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I consider you a friend and good poster..........but no..........I do not understand your position in this particular regard.

Apparently, short of lobbing nukes at Russia, anything Biden did would be praised here because, despite the fact that Putin didn't do anything during Trump's presidency, if Trump were president Putin would have done far worse and Trump would have exacerbated everything.

Wangchung said:

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Apparently, short of lobbing nukes at Russia, anything Biden did would be praised here because, despite the fact that Putin didn't do anything during Trump's presidency, if Trump were president Putin would have done far worse and Trump would have exacerbated everything.

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Amazing isn't it.

Under Biden the bar is so low that Putin only taking Ukraine and not going nuclear is Nobel Peace Prize material. Maybe if Xi waits until next year and take Taiwan by conventional means he will win back to back Nobel prizes...

Osodecentx said:

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Mothra said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Mothra said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Mothra said:

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Biden hasn't been "mostly right" with respect to anything when it comes to Ukraine. The suggestion is laughable, especially when this is a crisis he shares much of the blame for creating.

---

I agree that Biden deserves a lot of blame for the crisis.

That is why I limited my assessment to the time beginning with Putin's actual invasion. He has been mostly right since the invasion.

---

Based on WHAT ?

Russians are continuing to advance.

Ukrainian civilian casualties are escalating .

Holes are already appearing in the sanctions .

Harris continues to embarrass the government of the United States with absolutely bizarre statements .

Iran feels emboldened to attack a US consulate in Iraq with missiles .

China is now making fresh threats in regards to Taiwan .



So....... with respect.......just what in the world are you 'crediting' Biden with that remotely overshadows this disaster ?

---

So far ...
We're not in a shooting war with a nuclear power
NATO is united in opposition to Russian aggression
We're getting weapons to Ukraine
Financial sanctions have taken Russia's economy down to virtually zero. Every company except companies selling life saving drugs refuses to do business in Russia.

I don't believe Trump could have done this.

like I said, "so far".

---

We are far more likely to be in a shooting war with a nuclear power NOW than 2 months ago.

It was PUTIN's threats to the rest of Europe that united NATO more than anything the Biden administration did. Only a hyper partisan could possibly believe old man Biden could inspire anyone to action . For that matter no politician in NATO did more for the NATO alliance than Putin's bluster.

We have provided minimal weapons to Ukraine......least of all heavy armor or jet aircraft. Takes time to ship and distribute the mega tons required. And Ukraine is bleeding to death NOW.

Russian economy is NOT remotely at 'zero'...that is a self serving fantasy. Russia is already expanding markets in Iran, India and China .

Biden's administration pulled colossal blunders in the weeks prior to Putin's invasion . Blaming or comparing to Trump is ridiculous .

I have not witnessed a bigger self inflicted foreign policy disaster since LBJ expanded the Vietnam War after the so called Guld of Tonkin 'incident '.

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I respect your opinion

---

But of course have no retort.

---

I outlined my position in my earlier post to him and in my OP. I'm not going to change his mind and I consider him to be a good poster.

I don't feel the need to keep repeating my position or stoop to insults,

---

I agree no need to keep repeating the same thoroughly refuted position. Typically in those circumstances, you either concede your position or provide a retort that addresses his points.

Interestingly, you've done neither.

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Canada understands my position even if you don't

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I understand your position. I simply believe it's wrong, and you've done little to improve upon it or explain it any better over the course of this thread.