Oldbear83 said:

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I have been reading lately on the definition of the 'gentleman', and found this bit from Mathias Holzfeller:

"Being a gentleman, the masculine hero of every male child born between 1660 and 1960, entails learning when to speak, when to listen, when to assert, and when to fight. A gentleman chooses his battles, wins often, and loses rarely, but never brags. He is the epitome of refined confidence. A gentleman knows when to discuss his issues with someone who will understand them, but never breaks down and lets them overwhelm him. In the back when times, this is what was known as "masculinity" or "manliness."

Today, much of this has been lost in young men and replaced with what many think is masculinity. There is a stiff upper lip and bravado, but both of them fall away and reveal an unconfident, soft core which results in unnecessary violence and harm against the friends and family of the man, traits that are inherently not manly, as masculinity entails the protection and care for the "tribe" at any and all costs, even the death of the man in question. To go back on this role and instead become dangerous to the "tribe" is the ultimate form of betrayal."

I quite like it.

I also like his thoughts on modern men:

"Modern men fight. They fight a lot. They:

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Do not have the same code of honor,

Pick fights over trivial things,

Pick the wrong time to start fights,

Brag when they win, but complain when they lose.

They refuse to concede when they have lost.

[/ol]All five of these are wrong.
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You fight, you lose, you admit defeat. You fight, you win, you respect your foe. This is the code of gentlemanly, masculine honor. You never fight a fight that has already been won, and you never pick a target that you know has no chance. When the fight is over, that's that. You pack up and call it a day.

You never fight over anything that does not absolutely need to be fought over.

If something requires a fight, you only fight fairly, when both parties are facing one another like men. You never throw a swing at the back of a man's head.

You never brag about winning. You never complain about losing. You shake hands and respect one another.

You take a loss without allowing it to overwhelm you, and then you come back stronger."

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What do you think? What defines a gentleman?

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Oldbear83 said:

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Now for the hard part; living up to that standard.

I have a way to go.

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Oldbear83 said:

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Now for the hard part; living up to that standard.

I have a way to go.

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tommie said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Now for the hard part; living up to that standard.

I have a way to go.

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Who you fighting, 83?

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Oldbear83 said:

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tommie said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Now for the hard part; living up to that standard.

I have a way to go.

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Who you fighting, 83?

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modern trends and old habits. Same as most of us, I believe.

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tommie said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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tommie said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Now for the hard part; living up to that standard.

I have a way to go.

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Who you fighting, 83?

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modern trends and old habits. Same as most of us, I believe.

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Not me. I met this post menopausal (who just transitioned) claiming she's having my baby.

I go to court April 6.

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ABC BEAR said:

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A gentleman is always fully clothed during Zoom meetings.

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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"The forbearing use of power does not only form a touchstone, but the manner in which an individual enjoys certain advantages over others is a test of a true gentleman. The power which the strong have over the weak, the employer over the employed, the educated over the unlettered, the experienced over the confiding, even the clever over the sillythe forbearing or inoffensive use of all this power or authority, or a total abstinence from it when the case admits it, will show the gentleman in a plain light. The gentleman does not needlessly remind an offender of a wrong he may have committed against him. He cannot only forgive, he can forget; and he strives for that nobleness of self and mildness of character which impart sufficient strength to let the past be but the past. A true man of honor feels humbled himself when he cannot help humbling others."

Robert E. Lee



My favorite

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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"The forbearing use of power does not only form a touchstone, but the manner in which an individual enjoys certain advantages over others is a test of a true gentleman. The power which the strong have over the weak, the employer over the employed, the educated over the unlettered, the experienced over the confiding, even the clever over the sillythe forbearing or inoffensive use of all this power or authority, or a total abstinence from it when the case admits it, will show the gentleman in a plain light. The gentleman does not needlessly remind an offender of a wrong he may have committed against him. He cannot only forgive, he can forget; and he strives for that nobleness of self and mildness of character which impart sufficient strength to let the past be but the past. A true man of honor feels humbled himself when he cannot help humbling others."

Robert E. Lee



My favorite

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Oldbear83 said:

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Now for the hard part; living up to that standard.

I have a way to go.

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Oldbear83 said:

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I have been reading lately on the definition of the 'gentleman', and found this bit from Mathias Holzfeller:

"Being a gentleman, the masculine hero of every male child born between 1660 and 1960, entails learning when to speak, when to listen, when to assert, and when to fight. A gentleman chooses his battles, wins often, and loses rarely, but never brags. He is the epitome of refined confidence. A gentleman knows when to discuss his issues with someone who will understand them, but never breaks down and lets them overwhelm him. In the back when times, this is what was known as "masculinity" or "manliness."

Today, much of this has been lost in young men and replaced with what many think is masculinity. There is a stiff upper lip and bravado, but both of them fall away and reveal an unconfident, soft core which results in unnecessary violence and harm against the friends and family of the man, traits that are inherently not manly, as masculinity entails the protection and care for the "tribe" at any and all costs, even the death of the man in question. To go back on this role and instead become dangerous to the "tribe" is the ultimate form of betrayal."

I quite like it.

I also like his thoughts on modern men:

"Modern men fight. They fight a lot. They:

[ol]

Do not have the same code of honor,

Pick fights over trivial things,

Pick the wrong time to start fights,

Brag when they win, but complain when they lose.

They refuse to concede when they have lost.

[/ol]All five of these are wrong.
[ol]

You fight, you lose, you admit defeat. You fight, you win, you respect your foe. This is the code of gentlemanly, masculine honor. You never fight a fight that has already been won, and you never pick a target that you know has no chance. When the fight is over, that's that. You pack up and call it a day.

You never fight over anything that does not absolutely need to be fought over.

If something requires a fight, you only fight fairly, when both parties are facing one another like men. You never throw a swing at the back of a man's head.

You never brag about winning. You never complain about losing. You shake hands and respect one another.

You take a loss without allowing it to overwhelm you, and then you come back stronger."

[/ol]
What do you think? What defines a gentleman?

Quotes from Quora.com

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Golem said:

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"So live your life that the fear of death can never enter your heart. Trouble no one about their religion; respect others in their view, and demand that they respect yours. Love your life, perfect your life, beautify all things in your life. Seek to make your life long and its purpose in the service of your people. Prepare a noble death song for the day when you go over the great divide. Always give a word or a sign of salute when meeting or passing a friend, even a stranger, when in a lonely place. Show respect to all people and grovel to none. When you arise in the morning give thanks for the food and for the joy of living. If you see no reason for giving thanks, the fault lies only in yourself. Abuse no one and no thing, for abuse turns the wise ones to fools and robs the spirit of its vision. When it comes your time to die, be not like those whose hearts are filled with the fear of death, so that when their time comes they weep and pray for a little more time to live their lives over again in a different way. Sing your death song and die like a hero going home." - Tecumseh

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