West Virginia Woman Fatally Shoots Gunman Who Opened Fire on Party Guests
A female attendee of an outdoor party in West Virginia fatally shot a gunman who opened fired into a crowd of guests on Wednesday.

She fatally shot the perpetrator, identified as Dennis Butler, after he began shooting at dozens of people gathered for a birthday/graduation party outside an apartment complex in Charleston, police said in a statement.

"Instead of running from the threat, she engaged with the threat and saved several lives last night," Chief of detectives Tony Hazelett told news outlets Thursday.
Authorities said Butler had driven around the apartment building earlier in the evening and was told to slow down because children were playing. He left, returned later, parked in front of the complex, and started shooting at people, they said. Hazelett told NBC Washington that no charges will be filed against the woman who intervened.
The woman's confrontation with the gunman comes amid a politically charged national conversation surrounding mass shootings, two of which shocked the nation this month.

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/west-virginia-woman-fatally-shoots-gunman-who-opened-fire-on-party-guests/

Osodecentx said:

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West Virginia Woman Fatally Shoots Gunman Who Opened Fire on Party Guests
A female attendee of an outdoor party in West Virginia fatally shot a gunman who opened fired into a crowd of guests on Wednesday.

She fatally shot the perpetrator, identified as Dennis Butler, after he began shooting at dozens of people gathered for a birthday/graduation party outside an apartment complex in Charleston, police said in a statement.

"Instead of running from the threat, she engaged with the threat and saved several lives last night," Chief of detectives Tony Hazelett told news outlets Thursday.
Authorities said Butler had driven around the apartment building earlier in the evening and was told to slow down because children were playing. He left, returned later, parked in front of the complex, and started shooting at people, they said. Hazelett told NBC Washington that no charges will be filed against the woman who intervened.
The woman's confrontation with the gunman comes amid a politically charged national conversation surrounding mass shootings, two of which shocked the nation this month.

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/west-virginia-woman-fatally-shoots-gunman-who-opened-fire-on-party-guests/

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That's great. 19 dead kids though.

19 trained "good" guys that couldn't do ****

She and all those people should be dead because 19 kids died?

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That's great. 19 dead kids though.

19 trained "good" guys that couldn't do ****

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Boy, you are an idiot.

BellCountyBear said:

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That's great. 19 dead kids though.

19 trained "good" guys that couldn't do ****

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Boy, you are an idiot.

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Not at all. These situations have shown the only good guys with guns are the ones that are brave enough to face the bullet, which isn't many.

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That's great. 19 dead kids though.

19 trained "good" guys that couldn't do ****

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Boy, you are an idiot.

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Not at all. These situations have shown the only good guys with guns are the ones that are brave enough to face the bullet, which isn't many.

19 "protect and serve" policeman with weapons did as much as you.

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Looks like Uvalde police screwed up

Therefore, nobody should defend themselves or others

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That's great. 19 dead kids though.

19 trained "good" guys that couldn't do ****

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Boy, you are an idiot.

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Not at all. These situations have shown the only good guys with guns are the ones that are brave enough to face the bullet, which isn't many.

19 "protect and serve" policeman with weapons did as much as you.

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Looks like Uvalde police screwed up

Therefore, nobody should defend themselves or others

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If you're saying the police are useless, maybe it's time to remove the "protect and serve" all on police cars, defund the police and push those funds towards arming citizens.

If the police cannot do their job they were tasked to do, at what point do we say the system is broken.

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That's great. 19 dead kids though.

19 trained "good" guys that couldn't do ****

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Boy, you are an idiot.

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Not at all. These situations have shown the only good guys with guns are the ones that are brave enough to face the bullet, which isn't many.

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Hard core truth here.


There are a lot of fat cops just drawing a paycheck.

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That's great. 19 dead kids though.

19 trained "good" guys that couldn't do ****

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Boy, you are an idiot.

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Not at all. These situations have shown the only good guys with guns are the ones that are brave enough to face the bullet, which isn't many.

19 "protect and serve" policeman with weapons did as much as you.

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Looks like Uvalde police screwed up

Therefore, nobody should defend themselves or others

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If you're saying the police are useless, maybe it's time to remove the "protect and serve" all on police cars, defund the police and push those funds towards arming citizens.

If the police cannot do their job they were tasked to do, at what point do we say the system is broken.

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I don't think police are useless. I think the Uvalde police feared for their own lives and were not prepared to attack the classroom

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That's great. 19 dead kids though.

19 trained "good" guys that couldn't do ****

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Boy, you are an idiot.

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Not at all. These situations have shown the only good guys with guns are the ones that are brave enough to face the bullet, which isn't many.

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I agree

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That's great. 19 dead kids though.

19 trained "good" guys that couldn't do ****

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Boy, you are an idiot.

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Not at all. These situations have shown the only good guys with guns are the ones that are brave enough to face the bullet, which isn't many.

19 "protect and serve" policeman with weapons did as much as you.

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Looks like Uvalde police screwed up

Therefore, nobody should defend themselves or others

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If you're saying the police are useless, maybe it's time to remove the "protect and serve" all on police cars, defund the police and push those funds towards arming citizens.

If the police cannot do their job they were tasked to do, at what point do we say the system is broken.

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I don't think police are useless. I think the Uvalde police feared for their own lives and were not prepared to attack the classroom

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The problem with this response is it's well documented they had training 6 weeks prior and multiple times on this subject alone. If "fear" gets in the way of a "good guys" saving children, might be time to go back to the drawing board.

If the 1st cops on the scene won't go in ....

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That's great. 19 dead kids though.

19 trained "good" guys that couldn't do ****

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Boy, you are an idiot.

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Not at all. These situations have shown the only good guys with guns are the ones that are brave enough to face the bullet, which isn't many.

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Not a lot you can do other than decide which kind you're going to be.

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BylrFan said:

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That's great. 19 dead kids though.

19 trained "good" guys that couldn't do ****

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Boy, you are an idiot.

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Not at all. These situations have shown the only good guys with guns are the ones that are brave enough to face the bullet, which isn't many.

19 "protect and serve" policeman with weapons did as much as you.

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Looks like Uvalde police screwed up

Therefore, nobody should defend themselves or others

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If you're saying the police are useless, maybe it's time to remove the "protect and serve" all on police cars, defund the police and push those funds towards arming citizens.

If the police cannot do their job they were tasked to do, at what point do we say the system is broken.

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I don't think police are useless. I think the Uvalde police feared for their own lives and were not prepared to attack the classroom

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The problem with this response is it's well documented they had training 6 weeks prior and multiple times on this subject alone.

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Each of these Rambo clowns need to be fired .

When the test came they wimped out to a single 18 year old punk .

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That's great. 19 dead kids though.

19 trained "good" guys that couldn't do ****

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Boy, you are an idiot.

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Not at all. These situations have shown the only good guys with guns are the ones that are brave enough to face the bullet, which isn't many.

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Actually it's very many willing to sacrifice themselves. We never hear about these thousands of times a year because they stop the perp and that just isn't news.

When they royally screw up like this week we always hear about it. This week was shameful, there is no other way to put it.

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BylrFan said:

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That's great. 19 dead kids though.

19 trained "good" guys that couldn't do ****

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Boy, you are an idiot.

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Not at all. These situations have shown the only good guys with guns are the ones that are brave enough to face the bullet, which isn't many.

19 "protect and serve" policeman with weapons did as much as you.

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Looks like Uvalde police screwed up

Therefore, nobody should defend themselves or others

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If you're saying the police are useless, maybe it's time to remove the "protect and serve" all on police cars, defund the police and push those funds towards arming citizens.

If the police cannot do their job they were tasked to do, at what point do we say the system is broken.

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Maybe the system is and should be a combination of educated self-defense and trained law enforcement. I live just outside the city limits and it's going to take law enforcement 10-15 minutes to get to me if something happens. I'm prepared to do what I need to do until they arrive.

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BellCountyBear said:

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BylrFan said:

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That's great. 19 dead kids though.

19 trained "good" guys that couldn't do ****

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Boy, you are an idiot.

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Not at all. These situations have shown the only good guys with guns are the ones that are brave enough to face the bullet, which isn't many.

19 "protect and serve" policeman with weapons did as much as you.

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Looks like Uvalde police screwed up

Therefore, nobody should defend themselves or others

---

If you're saying the police are useless, maybe it's time to remove the "protect and serve" all on police cars, defund the police and push those funds towards arming citizens.

If the police cannot do their job they were tasked to do, at what point do we say the system is broken.

---

I don't think police are useless. I think the Uvalde police feared for their own lives and were not prepared to attack the classroom

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The problem with this response is it's well documented they had training 6 weeks prior and multiple times on this subject alone. If "fear" gets in the way of a "good guys" saving children, might be time to go back to the drawing board.

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You're right. Instead of taking out the bad guys with guns, we need to take the guns away from all the good guys with guns who aren't brave enough to take out the bad guys with guns. The question is, where do we find enough good guys with guns who are brave enough to take away the guns from the other good guys with guns who didn't take out the bad guys with guns? And if we do find them, why not just have them take out the bad guys? With guns.

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BylrFan said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Osodecentx said:

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BellCountyBear said:

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BylrFan said:

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That's great. 19 dead kids though.

19 trained "good" guys that couldn't do ****

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Boy, you are an idiot.

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Not at all. These situations have shown the only good guys with guns are the ones that are brave enough to face the bullet, which isn't many.

19 "protect and serve" policeman with weapons did as much as you.

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Looks like Uvalde police screwed up

Therefore, nobody should defend themselves or others

---

If you're saying the police are useless, maybe it's time to remove the "protect and serve" all on police cars, defund the police and push those funds towards arming citizens.

If the police cannot do their job they were tasked to do, at what point do we say the system is broken.

---

I don't think police are useless. I think the Uvalde police feared for their own lives and were not prepared to attack the classroom

---

The problem with this response is it's well documented they had training 6 weeks prior and multiple times on this subject alone. If "fear" gets in the way of a "good guys" saving children, might be time to go back to the drawing board.

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You're right. Instead of taking out the bad guys with guns, we need to take the guns away from all the good guys with guns who aren't brave enough to take out the bad guys with guns. The question is, where do we find enough good guys with guns who are brave enough to take away the guns from the other good guys with guns who didn't take out the bad guys with guns? And if we do find them, why not just have them take out the bad guys? With guns.

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I think there were plenty of "good guys with guns" ready to take out the Uvalde shooter. Problem is they were following orders to stand down by a totally inept Uvalde ISD police chief.

Honest question - was there supposed to be a school resource office on campus? Was he out on lunch break?

Jack Bauer said:

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Honest question - was there supposed to be a school resource office on campus? Was he out on lunch break?

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They only have 4 officers for 8 campuses.

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Sam Lowry said:

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Osodecentx said:

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BylrFan said:

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That's great. 19 dead kids though.

19 trained "good" guys that couldn't do ****

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Boy, you are an idiot.

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Not at all. These situations have shown the only good guys with guns are the ones that are brave enough to face the bullet, which isn't many.

19 "protect and serve" policeman with weapons did as much as you.

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Looks like Uvalde police screwed up

Therefore, nobody should defend themselves or others

---

If you're saying the police are useless, maybe it's time to remove the "protect and serve" all on police cars, defund the police and push those funds towards arming citizens.

If the police cannot do their job they were tasked to do, at what point do we say the system is broken.

---

I don't think police are useless. I think the Uvalde police feared for their own lives and were not prepared to attack the classroom

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The problem with this response is it's well documented they had training 6 weeks prior and multiple times on this subject alone. If "fear" gets in the way of a "good guys" saving children, might be time to go back to the drawing board.

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You're right. Instead of taking out the bad guys with guns, we need to take the guns away from all the good guys with guns who aren't brave enough to take out the bad guys with guns. The question is, where do we find enough good guys with guns who are brave enough to take away the guns from the other good guys with guns who didn't take out the bad guys with guns? And if we do find them, why not just have them take out the bad guys? With guns.

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I think there were plenty of "good guys with guns" ready to take out the Uvalde shooter. Problem is they were following orders to stand down by a totally inept Uvalde ISD police chief.

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Nothing Sam enjoys more than authority figures lying down edicts and people following them, so I would assume he thinks that part went as it should. If the proper authorities aren't followed, chaos ensues.

Robert Wilson said:

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SIC EM 94 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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BylrFan said:

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That's great. 19 dead kids though.

19 trained "good" guys that couldn't do ****

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Boy, you are an idiot.

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Not at all. These situations have shown the only good guys with guns are the ones that are brave enough to face the bullet, which isn't many.

19 "protect and serve" policeman with weapons did as much as you.

---

Looks like Uvalde police screwed up

Therefore, nobody should defend themselves or others

---

If you're saying the police are useless, maybe it's time to remove the "protect and serve" all on police cars, defund the police and push those funds towards arming citizens.

If the police cannot do their job they were tasked to do, at what point do we say the system is broken.

---

I don't think police are useless. I think the Uvalde police feared for their own lives and were not prepared to attack the classroom

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The problem with this response is it's well documented they had training 6 weeks prior and multiple times on this subject alone. If "fear" gets in the way of a "good guys" saving children, might be time to go back to the drawing board.

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You're right. Instead of taking out the bad guys with guns, we need to take the guns away from all the good guys with guns who aren't brave enough to take out the bad guys with guns. The question is, where do we find enough good guys with guns who are brave enough to take away the guns from the other good guys with guns who didn't take out the bad guys with guns? And if we do find them, why not just have them take out the bad guys? With guns.

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I think there were plenty of "good guys with guns" ready to take out the Uvalde shooter. Problem is they were following orders to stand down by a totally inept Uvalde ISD police chief.

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Nothing Sam enjoys more than authority figures lying down edicts and people following them, so I would assume he thinks that part went as it should. If the proper authorities aren't followed, chaos ensues.

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That and people who don't get sarcasm. Definitely my two favorite things.

Sam Lowry said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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SIC EM 94 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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BylrFan said:

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Osodecentx said:

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BylrFan said:

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Osodecentx said:

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BellCountyBear said:

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BylrFan said:

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That's great. 19 dead kids though.

19 trained "good" guys that couldn't do ****

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Boy, you are an idiot.

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Not at all. These situations have shown the only good guys with guns are the ones that are brave enough to face the bullet, which isn't many.

19 "protect and serve" policeman with weapons did as much as you.

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Looks like Uvalde police screwed up

Therefore, nobody should defend themselves or others

---

If you're saying the police are useless, maybe it's time to remove the "protect and serve" all on police cars, defund the police and push those funds towards arming citizens.

If the police cannot do their job they were tasked to do, at what point do we say the system is broken.

---

I don't think police are useless. I think the Uvalde police feared for their own lives and were not prepared to attack the classroom

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The problem with this response is it's well documented they had training 6 weeks prior and multiple times on this subject alone. If "fear" gets in the way of a "good guys" saving children, might be time to go back to the drawing board.

---

You're right. Instead of taking out the bad guys with guns, we need to take the guns away from all the good guys with guns who aren't brave enough to take out the bad guys with guns. The question is, where do we find enough good guys with guns who are brave enough to take away the guns from the other good guys with guns who didn't take out the bad guys with guns? And if we do find them, why not just have them take out the bad guys? With guns.

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I think there were plenty of "good guys with guns" ready to take out the Uvalde shooter. Problem is they were following orders to stand down by a totally inept Uvalde ISD police chief.

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Nothing Sam enjoys more than authority figures lying down edicts and people following them, so I would assume he thinks that part went as it should. If the proper authorities aren't followed, chaos ensues.

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That and people who don't get sarcasm. Definitely my two favorite things.

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Definitely misunderstood your two year run of covid sarcasm and ministry of truth sarcasm.

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Honest question - was there supposed to be a school resource office on campus? Was he out on lunch break?

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Edit: wrong info. Law enforcement had said something they later retracted, I wasn't aware of the mistake.

Who is the anti gun crowd going to send to get our guns?

The police who are too afraid to engage with shooters or the military that couldn't secure Afghanistan in two decades?

It's a stupid argument by the left.

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Honest question - was there supposed to be a school resource office on campus? Was he out on lunch break?

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The resource officer did confront the kid before he entered the building, but at the time the kid didn't have a visible weapon. Also the door was propped open apparently...

Many things went wrong on this one.

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No idea where you got this info…it is completely false. The resource officer was not even on campus, and when he did arrive he confused a teacher as the suspect. The teacher had propped the door open to get her cell phone. That teacher is very much to also blame in this tragedy.

SIC EM 94 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Jack Bauer said:

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Honest question - was there supposed to be a school resource office on campus? Was he out on lunch break?

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The resource officer did confront the kid before he entered the building, but at the time the kid didn't have a visible weapon. Also the door was propped open apparently...

Many things went wrong on this one.

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No idea where you got this info…it is completely false. The resource officer was not even on campus, and when he did arrive he confused a teacher as the suspect. The teacher had propped the door open to get her cell phone. That teacher is very much to also blame in this tragedy.

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She propped the door open a minute before this guy crashed his truck on campus. What unfortunate timing

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Robert Wilson said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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BylrFan said:

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That's great. 19 dead kids though.

19 trained "good" guys that couldn't do ****

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Boy, you are an idiot.

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Not at all. These situations have shown the only good guys with guns are the ones that are brave enough to face the bullet, which isn't many.

19 "protect and serve" policeman with weapons did as much as you.

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Looks like Uvalde police screwed up

Therefore, nobody should defend themselves or others

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If you're saying the police are useless, maybe it's time to remove the "protect and serve" all on police cars, defund the police and push those funds towards arming citizens.

If the police cannot do their job they were tasked to do, at what point do we say the system is broken.

---

I don't think police are useless. I think the Uvalde police feared for their own lives and were not prepared to attack the classroom

---

The problem with this response is it's well documented they had training 6 weeks prior and multiple times on this subject alone. If "fear" gets in the way of a "good guys" saving children, might be time to go back to the drawing board.

---

You're right. Instead of taking out the bad guys with guns, we need to take the guns away from all the good guys with guns who aren't brave enough to take out the bad guys with guns. The question is, where do we find enough good guys with guns who are brave enough to take away the guns from the other good guys with guns who didn't take out the bad guys with guns? And if we do find them, why not just have them take out the bad guys? With guns.

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I think there were plenty of "good guys with guns" ready to take out the Uvalde shooter. Problem is they were following orders to stand down by a totally inept Uvalde ISD police chief.

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Nothing Sam enjoys more than authority figures lying down edicts and people following them, so I would assume he thinks that part went as it should. If the proper authorities aren't followed, chaos ensues.

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That and people who don't get sarcasm. Definitely my two favorite things.

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Definitely misunderstood your two year run of covid sarcasm and ministry of truth sarcasm.

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You missed some of my best work. Should have seen the laughs I got when I said a million people could die.

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That's great. 19 dead kids though.

19 trained "good" guys that couldn't do ****

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Boy, you are an idiot.

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Not at all. These situations have shown the only good guys with guns are the ones that are brave enough to face the bullet, which isn't many.

19 "protect and serve" policeman with weapons did as much as you.

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Looks like Uvalde police screwed up

Therefore, nobody should defend themselves or others

---

If you're saying the police are useless, maybe it's time to remove the "protect and serve" all on police cars, defund the police and push those funds towards arming citizens.

If the police cannot do their job they were tasked to do, at what point do we say the system is broken.

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I don't think police are useless. I think the Uvalde police feared for their own lives and were not prepared to attack the classroom

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They were trained to do just that.

Time for a career change.

SIC EM 94 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Jack Bauer said:

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Honest question - was there supposed to be a school resource office on campus? Was he out on lunch break?

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The resource officer did confront the kid before he entered the building, but at the time the kid didn't have a visible weapon. Also the door was propped open apparently...

Many things went wrong on this one.

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No idea where you got this info…it is completely false. The resource officer was not even on campus, and when he did arrive he confused a teacher as the suspect. The teacher had propped the door open to get her cell phone. That teacher is very much to also blame in this tragedy.

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You're right, I was referring to what law enforcement originally said. I wasn't aware it was incorrect. They later corrected their narrative.

Edit: on topic, this woman is a hero.

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That's great. 19 dead kids though.

19 trained "good" guys that couldn't do ****

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Boy, you are an idiot.

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Not at all. These situations have shown the only good guys with guns are the ones that are brave enough to face the bullet, which isn't many.

19 "protect and serve" policeman with weapons did as much as you.

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Looks like Uvalde police screwed up

Therefore, nobody should defend themselves or others

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If you're saying the police are useless, maybe it's time to remove the "protect and serve" all on police cars, defund the police and push those funds towards arming citizens.

If the police cannot do their job they were tasked to do, at what point do we say the system is broken.

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I don't think police are useless. I think the Uvalde police feared for their own lives and were not prepared to attack the classroom

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They were trained to do just that.

Time for a career change.

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Sounds like it

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SIC EM 94 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Jack Bauer said:

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Honest question - was there supposed to be a school resource office on campus? Was he out on lunch break?

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The resource officer did confront the kid before he entered the building, but at the time the kid didn't have a visible weapon. Also the door was propped open apparently...

Many things went wrong on this one.

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No idea where you got this info…it is completely false. The resource officer was not even on campus, and when he did arrive he confused a teacher as the suspect. The teacher had propped the door open to get her cell phone. That teacher is very much to also blame in this tragedy.

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She propped the door open a minute before this guy crashed his truck on campus. What unfortunate timing

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No doubt…the timing is crazy! The fact she propped open a door, despite the school in fact being on lockdown, should be criminal!

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Sam Lowry said:

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That's great. 19 dead kids though.

19 trained "good" guys that couldn't do ****

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Boy, you are an idiot.

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Not at all. These situations have shown the only good guys with guns are the ones that are brave enough to face the bullet, which isn't many.

19 "protect and serve" policeman with weapons did as much as you.

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Looks like Uvalde police screwed up

Therefore, nobody should defend themselves or others

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If you're saying the police are useless, maybe it's time to remove the "protect and serve" all on police cars, defund the police and push those funds towards arming citizens.

If the police cannot do their job they were tasked to do, at what point do we say the system is broken.

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I don't think police are useless. I think the Uvalde police feared for their own lives and were not prepared to attack the classroom

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The problem with this response is it's well documented they had training 6 weeks prior and multiple times on this subject alone. If "fear" gets in the way of a "good guys" saving children, might be time to go back to the drawing board.

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You're right. Instead of taking out the bad guys with guns, we need to take the guns away from all the good guys with guns who aren't brave enough to take out the bad guys with guns. The question is, where do we find enough good guys with guns who are brave enough to take away the guns from the other good guys with guns who didn't take out the bad guys with guns? And if we do find them, why not just have them take out the bad guys? With guns.

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I think there were plenty of "good guys with guns" ready to take out the Uvalde shooter. Problem is they were following orders to stand down by a totally inept Uvalde ISD police chief.

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Nothing Sam enjoys more than authority figures lying down edicts and people following them, so I would assume he thinks that part went as it should. If the proper authorities aren't followed, chaos ensues.

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That and people who don't get sarcasm. Definitely my two favorite things.

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Definitely misunderstood your two year run of covid sarcasm and ministry of truth sarcasm.

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You missed some of my best work. Should have seen the laughs I got when I said a million people could die.

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Not in California or NY

They locked down real hard so I'm sure they saved everyone

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Honest question - was there supposed to be a school resource office on campus? Was he out on lunch break?

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The resource officer did confront the kid before he entered the building, but at the time the kid didn't have a visible weapon. Also the door was propped open apparently...

Many things went wrong on this one.

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No idea where you got this info…it is completely false. The resource officer was not even on campus, and when he did arrive he confused a teacher as the suspect. The teacher had propped the door open to get her cell phone. That teacher is very much to also blame in this tragedy.

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She propped the door open a minute before this guy crashed his truck on campus. What unfortunate timing

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No doubt…the timing is crazy! The fact she propped open a door, despite the school in fact being on lockdown, should be criminal!

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Terrible timing that she propped it open minutes before he arrived. So many things went wrong at exactly the wrong time. If only the wreck, which looked pretty bad, would have disabled the shooter. If the door hadn't been wedged. If the officer's hadn't backed down. This may not have happened.