Jack Bauer said:

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$6 gallon for gas, its the fault of <checks notes> the religious right...

Or this is just a very,very, very bad impression of George Carlin.

“The religious right are responsible for the high gas prices.” She gets her information from @RBReich… pic.twitter.com/sM3war3Sx3

— Libs of TikTok (@libsoftiktok) June 19, 2022

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Why do I get the feeling that gash on her forehead wasn't from an accident?

whiterock said:

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and what's the plan for all these solar panels and wind mills at the end of their serviceable life?

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Fairly straightforward to recycle them with existing technology, but will not really an issue in the US for quite some time as the service life is pretty long and vast majority of installation is fairly recent.

whiterock said:

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RMF5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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and what's the plan for all these solar panels and wind mills at the end of their serviceable life?

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There is none, it is a knee-jerk reaction to the latest emergency.

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if they were made to BE the roof as well as a solar power generator, it wouldn't matter if they no longer generated a charge. They could just be the roofing material. Disposal in place as part of a long term asset.

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The biggest problem I have had with all of the move to the alternate fuel sources is the reason - Clean energy, Carbon footprint and Climate Change.

In and of themselves, I have no issue with any and like discussions, but they have become religious zealots over it. No alternate opinion is tolerated. So it is very difficult to have a conversation about it. I am watching market choices being determined based on pseudo-science and marketing. With no thought of the impacts. Musk is the Barnum of our times, great salesman. He is able to change the national direction on his word.

Are EVs good vehicles? I don't have a problem with them and even have a Volt (2nd). But this is not a market or a technological paradigm shift driving this move. It is political, the Government has entered the market to choose the winners and the losers. That bothers me. The fact their is no thoughts on how we move forward, sort of a mix of Govt intervention and let the market determine. Questions:

• What is being done to upgrade the electric grid to handle this move?
• Will it ultimately be more expensive than the current ICE set up? (Free ride is over for EVs, they are working on how to charge for it. No more loop hole)
• How will it be paid for and how will the consumer cost of re-charging batteries fit in?
• What will take the place of the gas tax? Will we end up paying twice? - Vehicle Miles Traveled AND energy cost to re-charge/
• Re-charging tech, will it ever get to the point to be competitive with refilling gas? 10 minutes vs 30 (and that is still not attainable for a full charge).
• Battery weight, Rare Earth Minerals, Disposal, Emergency Response and Toxic Chemicals - Questions not broached.
• Are there other techs like hydrogen that will make EV a transitory tech? Is it worth skipping and waiting to see what plays out.
• Is this move taking attention from what will need to be addressed if Climate Change is as bad as being advertised- Mitigation through infrastructure investments?
• Finally, will any of this have ANY impact on what they are trying to solve - Climate Change?

Jack Bauer said:

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$6 gallon for gas, its the fault of <checks notes> the religious right...

Or this is just a very,very, very bad impression of George Carlin.

“The religious right are responsible for the high gas prices.” She gets her information from @RBReich… pic.twitter.com/sM3war3Sx3

— Libs of TikTok (@libsoftiktok) June 19, 2022

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That's funny. She looks like she could be dressed and headed to work for her noon performance at the kiddie hour drag queen show

RMF5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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RMF5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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and what's the plan for all these solar panels and wind mills at the end of their serviceable life?

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There is none, it is a knee-jerk reaction to the latest emergency.

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if they were made to BE the roof as well as a solar power generator, it wouldn't matter if they no longer generated a charge. They could just be the roofing material. Disposal in place as part of a long term asset.

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The biggest problem I have had with all of the move to the alternate fuel sources is the reason - Clean energy, Carbon footprint and Climate Change.

In and of themselves, I have no issue with any and like discussions, but they have become religious zealots over it. No alternate opinion is tolerated. So it is very difficult to have a conversation about it. I am watching market choices being determined based on pseudo-science and marketing. With no thought of the impacts. Musk is the Barnum of our times, great salesman. He is able to change the national direction on his word.

Are EVs good vehicles? I don't have a problem with them and even have a Volt (2nd). But this is not a market or a technological paradigm shift driving this move. It is political, the Government has entered the market to choose the winners and the losers. That bothers me. The fact their is no thoughts on how we move forward, sort of a mix of Govt intervention and let the market determine. Questions:

• What is being done to upgrade the electric grid to handle this move?
• Will it ultimately be more expensive than the current ICE set up? (Free ride is over for EVs, they are working on how to charge for it. No more loop hole)
• How will it be paid for and how will the consumer cost of re-charging batteries fit in?
• What will take the place of the gas tax? Will we end up paying twice? - Vehicle Miles Traveled AND energy cost to re-charge/
• Re-charging tech, will it ever get to the point to be competitive with refilling gas? 10 minutes vs 30 (and that is still not attainable for a full charge).
• Battery weight, Rare Earth Minerals, Disposal, Emergency Response and Toxic Chemicals - Questions not broached.
• Are there other techs like hydrogen that will make EV a transitory tech? Is it worth skipping and waiting to see what plays out.
• Is this move taking attention from what will need to be addressed if Climate Change is as bad as being advertised- Mitigation through infrastructure investments?
• Finally, will any of this have ANY impact on what they are trying to solve - Climate Change?

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These are all good questions. To your final question, I think the answer is no this will not do anything for climate change. Climate change is an unsolvable problem. It was created for this very reason so that the govt could use it to tax you forever to fix this problem that mankind cannot solve. We should work to solve the pollution that we know is bad for us like plastics in the ocean, chemicals in our drinking water and air.

A number of windmills are at the end of service life and recycling them is not quick or easy.

25-30 year lifespan on photovoltaic panels and only about 10% are recycled as it costs more to recycle than to throw them away and make new. Most ends up as cullet at nominal value.

muddybrazos said:

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RMF5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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RMF5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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and what's the plan for all these solar panels and wind mills at the end of their serviceable life?

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There is none, it is a knee-jerk reaction to the latest emergency.

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if they were made to BE the roof as well as a solar power generator, it wouldn't matter if they no longer generated a charge. They could just be the roofing material. Disposal in place as part of a long term asset.

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The biggest problem I have had with all of the move to the alternate fuel sources is the reason - Clean energy, Carbon footprint and Climate Change.

In and of themselves, I have no issue with any and like discussions, but they have become religious zealots over it. No alternate opinion is tolerated. So it is very difficult to have a conversation about it. I am watching market choices being determined based on pseudo-science and marketing. With no thought of the impacts. Musk is the Barnum of our times, great salesman. He is able to change the national direction on his word.

Are EVs good vehicles? I don't have a problem with them and even have a Volt (2nd). But this is not a market or a technological paradigm shift driving this move. It is political, the Government has entered the market to choose the winners and the losers. That bothers me. The fact their is no thoughts on how we move forward, sort of a mix of Govt intervention and let the market determine. Questions:

• What is being done to upgrade the electric grid to handle this move?
• Will it ultimately be more expensive than the current ICE set up? (Free ride is over for EVs, they are working on how to charge for it. No more loop hole)
• How will it be paid for and how will the consumer cost of re-charging batteries fit in?
• What will take the place of the gas tax? Will we end up paying twice? - Vehicle Miles Traveled AND energy cost to re-charge/
• Re-charging tech, will it ever get to the point to be competitive with refilling gas? 10 minutes vs 30 (and that is still not attainable for a full charge).
• Battery weight, Rare Earth Minerals, Disposal, Emergency Response and Toxic Chemicals - Questions not broached.
• Are there other techs like hydrogen that will make EV a transitory tech? Is it worth skipping and waiting to see what plays out.
• Is this move taking attention from what will need to be addressed if Climate Change is as bad as being advertised- Mitigation through infrastructure investments?
• Finally, will any of this have ANY impact on what they are trying to solve - Climate Change?

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These are all good questions. To your final question, I think the answer is no this will not do anything for climate change. Climate change is an unsolvable problem. It was created for this very reason so that the govt could use it to tax you forever to fix this problem that mankind cannot solve. We should work to solve the pollution that we know is bad for us like plastics in the ocean, chemicals in our drinking water and air.

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I could not agree more with your final point. I have no issue contributing to the removal of plastics from the sea. Every pound of plastic removed, does something. Not just talk about it. Same with cleaning of beaches, planting trees, creating artificial reefs, etc. All tangible, real improvements that accomplish a positive move toward making things better, even if a minute difference in the total scale.

I belong to several sustainable infrastructure and resiliency committees and task forces. They have been taking over by the Carbon police. All we talk about is Carbon levels in 2050. Even the performance metrics feed their believes, such as % EVs in their fleet. That is the metric, no discussion of what that is actually doing! The ONLY one that I have been involved with that accomplishes anything is DoD. They get it, protect infrastructure (sustainability) and how quickly can we get it operational after a disaster (resiliency). I love working with them, we come up with projects that accomplish. No issue increasing road height, building sea walls, constructing crossovers, etc... There is so much we can be doing. Want to see people that are being pragmatic - Port Houston/Galveston. Love their foresight and use of tech to mitigate.

muddybrazos said:

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RMF5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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RMF5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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and what's the plan for all these solar panels and wind mills at the end of their serviceable life?

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There is none, it is a knee-jerk reaction to the latest emergency.

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if they were made to BE the roof as well as a solar power generator, it wouldn't matter if they no longer generated a charge. They could just be the roofing material. Disposal in place as part of a long term asset.

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The biggest problem I have had with all of the move to the alternate fuel sources is the reason - Clean energy, Carbon footprint and Climate Change.

In and of themselves, I have no issue with any and like discussions, but they have become religious zealots over it. No alternate opinion is tolerated. So it is very difficult to have a conversation about it. I am watching market choices being determined based on pseudo-science and marketing. With no thought of the impacts. Musk is the Barnum of our times, great salesman. He is able to change the national direction on his word.

Are EVs good vehicles? I don't have a problem with them and even have a Volt (2nd). But this is not a market or a technological paradigm shift driving this move. It is political, the Government has entered the market to choose the winners and the losers. That bothers me. The fact their is no thoughts on how we move forward, sort of a mix of Govt intervention and let the market determine. Questions:

• What is being done to upgrade the electric grid to handle this move?
• Will it ultimately be more expensive than the current ICE set up? (Free ride is over for EVs, they are working on how to charge for it. No more loop hole)
• How will it be paid for and how will the consumer cost of re-charging batteries fit in?
• What will take the place of the gas tax? Will we end up paying twice? - Vehicle Miles Traveled AND energy cost to re-charge/
• Re-charging tech, will it ever get to the point to be competitive with refilling gas? 10 minutes vs 30 (and that is still not attainable for a full charge).
• Battery weight, Rare Earth Minerals, Disposal, Emergency Response and Toxic Chemicals - Questions not broached.
• Are there other techs like hydrogen that will make EV a transitory tech? Is it worth skipping and waiting to see what plays out.
• Is this move taking attention from what will need to be addressed if Climate Change is as bad as being advertised- Mitigation through infrastructure investments?
• Finally, will any of this have ANY impact on what they are trying to solve - Climate Change?

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These are all good questions. To your final question, I think the answer is no this will not do anything for climate change. Climate change is an unsolvable problem. It was created for this very reason so that the govt could use it to tax you forever to fix this problem that mankind cannot solve. We should work to solve the pollution that we know is bad for us like plastics in the ocean, chemicals in our drinking water and air.

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It's better to think of it like reducing our impact upon the climate, I agree. I know people scream electric cars then drink only bottled water at home.

Electric will definitely reduce our impact upon the environment. Converting solar and heat to electricity is still in its infancy. Solar panels are very inefficient, and thermoelectric even further behind. But we shouldn't wait for them to reach maturity, we have to start getting people used to the idea of putting solar panels on their home.

I do think that roofing 50 years from now will look much differently. You could have a layer of solar panel tiles that more or less look normal, then a layer of thermoelectric to capture heat. The reason companies are slow on the uptake is the tech just isn't ready for mass production, at the efficiency levels needed. But it will be soon.

Porteroso said:

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muddybrazos said:

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RMF5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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RMF5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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and what's the plan for all these solar panels and wind mills at the end of their serviceable life?

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There is none, it is a knee-jerk reaction to the latest emergency.

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if they were made to BE the roof as well as a solar power generator, it wouldn't matter if they no longer generated a charge. They could just be the roofing material. Disposal in place as part of a long term asset.

---

The biggest problem I have had with all of the move to the alternate fuel sources is the reason - Clean energy, Carbon footprint and Climate Change.

In and of themselves, I have no issue with any and like discussions, but they have become religious zealots over it. No alternate opinion is tolerated. So it is very difficult to have a conversation about it. I am watching market choices being determined based on pseudo-science and marketing. With no thought of the impacts. Musk is the Barnum of our times, great salesman. He is able to change the national direction on his word.

Are EVs good vehicles? I don't have a problem with them and even have a Volt (2nd). But this is not a market or a technological paradigm shift driving this move. It is political, the Government has entered the market to choose the winners and the losers. That bothers me. The fact their is no thoughts on how we move forward, sort of a mix of Govt intervention and let the market determine. Questions:

• What is being done to upgrade the electric grid to handle this move?
• Will it ultimately be more expensive than the current ICE set up? (Free ride is over for EVs, they are working on how to charge for it. No more loop hole)
• How will it be paid for and how will the consumer cost of re-charging batteries fit in?
• What will take the place of the gas tax? Will we end up paying twice? - Vehicle Miles Traveled AND energy cost to re-charge/
• Re-charging tech, will it ever get to the point to be competitive with refilling gas? 10 minutes vs 30 (and that is still not attainable for a full charge).
• Battery weight, Rare Earth Minerals, Disposal, Emergency Response and Toxic Chemicals - Questions not broached.
• Are there other techs like hydrogen that will make EV a transitory tech? Is it worth skipping and waiting to see what plays out.
• Is this move taking attention from what will need to be addressed if Climate Change is as bad as being advertised- Mitigation through infrastructure investments?
• Finally, will any of this have ANY impact on what they are trying to solve - Climate Change?

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These are all good questions. To your final question, I think the answer is no this will not do anything for climate change. Climate change is an unsolvable problem. It was created for this very reason so that the govt could use it to tax you forever to fix this problem that mankind cannot solve. We should work to solve the pollution that we know is bad for us like plastics in the ocean, chemicals in our drinking water and air.

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It's better to think of it like reducing our impact upon the climate, I agree. I know people scream electric cars then drink only bottled water at home.

Electric will definitely reduce our impact upon the environment. Converting solar and heat to electricity is still in its infancy. Solar panels are very inefficient, and thermoelectric even further behind. But we shouldn't wait for them to reach maturity, we have to start getting people used to the idea of putting solar panels on their home.

I do think that roofing 50 years from now will look much differently. You could have a layer of solar panel tiles that more or less look normal, then a layer of thermoelectric to capture heat. The reason companies are slow on the uptake is the tech just isn't ready for mass production, at the efficiency levels needed. But it will be soon.

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Well, i honestly do not believe that this switch to EVs is going to make any noticeable difference. Plus, you have China and India building more coal plants as fast as they can. They dont use clean coal over there nor do they care at all about environmental policies.

Porteroso said:

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muddybrazos said:

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RMF5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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RMF5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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and what's the plan for all these solar panels and wind mills at the end of their serviceable life?

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There is none, it is a knee-jerk reaction to the latest emergency.

---

if they were made to BE the roof as well as a solar power generator, it wouldn't matter if they no longer generated a charge. They could just be the roofing material. Disposal in place as part of a long term asset.

---

The biggest problem I have had with all of the move to the alternate fuel sources is the reason - Clean energy, Carbon footprint and Climate Change.

In and of themselves, I have no issue with any and like discussions, but they have become religious zealots over it. No alternate opinion is tolerated. So it is very difficult to have a conversation about it. I am watching market choices being determined based on pseudo-science and marketing. With no thought of the impacts. Musk is the Barnum of our times, great salesman. He is able to change the national direction on his word.

Are EVs good vehicles? I don't have a problem with them and even have a Volt (2nd). But this is not a market or a technological paradigm shift driving this move. It is political, the Government has entered the market to choose the winners and the losers. That bothers me. The fact their is no thoughts on how we move forward, sort of a mix of Govt intervention and let the market determine. Questions:

• What is being done to upgrade the electric grid to handle this move?
• Will it ultimately be more expensive than the current ICE set up? (Free ride is over for EVs, they are working on how to charge for it. No more loop hole)
• How will it be paid for and how will the consumer cost of re-charging batteries fit in?
• What will take the place of the gas tax? Will we end up paying twice? - Vehicle Miles Traveled AND energy cost to re-charge/
• Re-charging tech, will it ever get to the point to be competitive with refilling gas? 10 minutes vs 30 (and that is still not attainable for a full charge).
• Battery weight, Rare Earth Minerals, Disposal, Emergency Response and Toxic Chemicals - Questions not broached.
• Are there other techs like hydrogen that will make EV a transitory tech? Is it worth skipping and waiting to see what plays out.
• Is this move taking attention from what will need to be addressed if Climate Change is as bad as being advertised- Mitigation through infrastructure investments?
• Finally, will any of this have ANY impact on what they are trying to solve - Climate Change?

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These are all good questions. To your final question, I think the answer is no this will not do anything for climate change. Climate change is an unsolvable problem. It was created for this very reason so that the govt could use it to tax you forever to fix this problem that mankind cannot solve. We should work to solve the pollution that we know is bad for us like plastics in the ocean, chemicals in our drinking water and air.

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It's better to think of it like reducing our impact upon the climate, I agree. I know people scream electric cars then drink only bottled water at home.

Electric will definitely reduce our impact upon the environment. Converting solar and heat to electricity is still in its infancy. Solar panels are very inefficient, and thermoelectric even further behind. But we shouldn't wait for them to reach maturity, we have to start getting people used to the idea of putting solar panels on their home.

I do think that roofing 50 years from now will look much differently. You could have a layer of solar panel tiles that more or less look normal, then a layer of thermoelectric to capture heat. The reason companies are slow on the uptake is the tech just isn't ready for mass production, at the efficiency levels needed. But it will be soon.

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Reduce our impact? That is where I have an issue. What impact? Carbon? There is more to the environment than Carbon, it is not even the most destructive Greenhouse gas. EV's are just as destructive to the environment as a whole. They rely on petroleum based products to build. The REMs needs are horrific to mine, never mind China controls most. The electric is still being produced by LNG and Coal. Finally, they are facist as only the rich can afford, social justice nightmare no one brings up (But, try to built a toll lane!) : )

Are we really doing anything? Or is it a circle jerk to make everyone feel better...

RMF5630 said:

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Are we really doing anything? Or is it a circle jerk to make everyone feel better...

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Covid response calling on line 2...

A circle jerk to make everyone feel better is primarily what we *want* to be doing.

Robert Wilson said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Are we really doing anything? Or is it a circle jerk to make everyone feel better...

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Covid response calling on line 2...

A circle jerk to make everyone feel better is primarily what we *want* to be doing.

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Seems to be our National Past Time the last several years. Except the Dems, they are using it to forward their agenda.

RMF5630 said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Are we really doing anything? Or is it a circle jerk to make everyone feel better...

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Covid response calling on line 2...

A circle jerk to make everyone feel better is primarily what we *want* to be doing.

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Seems to be our National Past Time the last several years. Except the Dems, they are using it to forward their agenda.

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Yep - good point.

muddybrazos said:

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Porteroso said:

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muddybrazos said:

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RMF5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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RMF5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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and what's the plan for all these solar panels and wind mills at the end of their serviceable life?

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There is none, it is a knee-jerk reaction to the latest emergency.

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if they were made to BE the roof as well as a solar power generator, it wouldn't matter if they no longer generated a charge. They could just be the roofing material. Disposal in place as part of a long term asset.

---

The biggest problem I have had with all of the move to the alternate fuel sources is the reason - Clean energy, Carbon footprint and Climate Change.

In and of themselves, I have no issue with any and like discussions, but they have become religious zealots over it. No alternate opinion is tolerated. So it is very difficult to have a conversation about it. I am watching market choices being determined based on pseudo-science and marketing. With no thought of the impacts. Musk is the Barnum of our times, great salesman. He is able to change the national direction on his word.

Are EVs good vehicles? I don't have a problem with them and even have a Volt (2nd). But this is not a market or a technological paradigm shift driving this move. It is political, the Government has entered the market to choose the winners and the losers. That bothers me. The fact their is no thoughts on how we move forward, sort of a mix of Govt intervention and let the market determine. Questions:

• What is being done to upgrade the electric grid to handle this move?
• Will it ultimately be more expensive than the current ICE set up? (Free ride is over for EVs, they are working on how to charge for it. No more loop hole)
• How will it be paid for and how will the consumer cost of re-charging batteries fit in?
• What will take the place of the gas tax? Will we end up paying twice? - Vehicle Miles Traveled AND energy cost to re-charge/
• Re-charging tech, will it ever get to the point to be competitive with refilling gas? 10 minutes vs 30 (and that is still not attainable for a full charge).
• Battery weight, Rare Earth Minerals, Disposal, Emergency Response and Toxic Chemicals - Questions not broached.
• Are there other techs like hydrogen that will make EV a transitory tech? Is it worth skipping and waiting to see what plays out.
• Is this move taking attention from what will need to be addressed if Climate Change is as bad as being advertised- Mitigation through infrastructure investments?
• Finally, will any of this have ANY impact on what they are trying to solve - Climate Change?

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These are all good questions. To your final question, I think the answer is no this will not do anything for climate change. Climate change is an unsolvable problem. It was created for this very reason so that the govt could use it to tax you forever to fix this problem that mankind cannot solve. We should work to solve the pollution that we know is bad for us like plastics in the ocean, chemicals in our drinking water and air.

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It's better to think of it like reducing our impact upon the climate, I agree. I know people scream electric cars then drink only bottled water at home.

Electric will definitely reduce our impact upon the environment. Converting solar and heat to electricity is still in its infancy. Solar panels are very inefficient, and thermoelectric even further behind. But we shouldn't wait for them to reach maturity, we have to start getting people used to the idea of putting solar panels on their home.

I do think that roofing 50 years from now will look much differently. You could have a layer of solar panel tiles that more or less look normal, then a layer of thermoelectric to capture heat. The reason companies are slow on the uptake is the tech just isn't ready for mass production, at the efficiency levels needed. But it will be soon.

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Well, i honestly do not believe that this switch to EVs is going to make any noticeable difference. Plus, you have China and India building more coal plants as fast as they can. They dont use clean coal over there nor do they care at all about environmental policies.

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The switch from a gas F150 to an F150 Lightning saves about 20 percent on cost of ownership. That is the "noticeable difference" that matters. Once the cost of solar is lower than your monthly electric bill, that is they "noticeable difference" that matters. It is getting closer.

D. C. Bear said:

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muddybrazos said:

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Porteroso said:

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muddybrazos said:

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RMF5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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RMF5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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and what's the plan for all these solar panels and wind mills at the end of their serviceable life?

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There is none, it is a knee-jerk reaction to the latest emergency.

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if they were made to BE the roof as well as a solar power generator, it wouldn't matter if they no longer generated a charge. They could just be the roofing material. Disposal in place as part of a long term asset.

---

The biggest problem I have had with all of the move to the alternate fuel sources is the reason - Clean energy, Carbon footprint and Climate Change.

In and of themselves, I have no issue with any and like discussions, but they have become religious zealots over it. No alternate opinion is tolerated. So it is very difficult to have a conversation about it. I am watching market choices being determined based on pseudo-science and marketing. With no thought of the impacts. Musk is the Barnum of our times, great salesman. He is able to change the national direction on his word.

Are EVs good vehicles? I don't have a problem with them and even have a Volt (2nd). But this is not a market or a technological paradigm shift driving this move. It is political, the Government has entered the market to choose the winners and the losers. That bothers me. The fact their is no thoughts on how we move forward, sort of a mix of Govt intervention and let the market determine. Questions:

• What is being done to upgrade the electric grid to handle this move?
• Will it ultimately be more expensive than the current ICE set up? (Free ride is over for EVs, they are working on how to charge for it. No more loop hole)
• How will it be paid for and how will the consumer cost of re-charging batteries fit in?
• What will take the place of the gas tax? Will we end up paying twice? - Vehicle Miles Traveled AND energy cost to re-charge/
• Re-charging tech, will it ever get to the point to be competitive with refilling gas? 10 minutes vs 30 (and that is still not attainable for a full charge).
• Battery weight, Rare Earth Minerals, Disposal, Emergency Response and Toxic Chemicals - Questions not broached.
• Are there other techs like hydrogen that will make EV a transitory tech? Is it worth skipping and waiting to see what plays out.
• Is this move taking attention from what will need to be addressed if Climate Change is as bad as being advertised- Mitigation through infrastructure investments?
• Finally, will any of this have ANY impact on what they are trying to solve - Climate Change?

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These are all good questions. To your final question, I think the answer is no this will not do anything for climate change. Climate change is an unsolvable problem. It was created for this very reason so that the govt could use it to tax you forever to fix this problem that mankind cannot solve. We should work to solve the pollution that we know is bad for us like plastics in the ocean, chemicals in our drinking water and air.

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It's better to think of it like reducing our impact upon the climate, I agree. I know people scream electric cars then drink only bottled water at home.

Electric will definitely reduce our impact upon the environment. Converting solar and heat to electricity is still in its infancy. Solar panels are very inefficient, and thermoelectric even further behind. But we shouldn't wait for them to reach maturity, we have to start getting people used to the idea of putting solar panels on their home.

I do think that roofing 50 years from now will look much differently. You could have a layer of solar panel tiles that more or less look normal, then a layer of thermoelectric to capture heat. The reason companies are slow on the uptake is the tech just isn't ready for mass production, at the efficiency levels needed. But it will be soon.

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Well, i honestly do not believe that this switch to EVs is going to make any noticeable difference. Plus, you have China and India building more coal plants as fast as they can. They dont use clean coal over there nor do they care at all about environmental policies.

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The switch from a gas F150 to an F150 Lightning saves about 20 percent on cost of ownership. That is the "noticeable difference" that matters. Once the cost of solar is lower than your monthly electric bill, that is they "noticeable difference" that matters. It is getting closer.

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Well, by noticeable difference I was referring to the climate. I guess I will just take your word for it on cost of ownership but how much do replacment batteries cost? I know on a golf cart you have to spend 3-5k every 4-5 years for a new battery.

D. C. Bear said:

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muddybrazos said:

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Porteroso said:

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muddybrazos said:

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RMF5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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RMF5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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and what's the plan for all these solar panels and wind mills at the end of their serviceable life?

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There is none, it is a knee-jerk reaction to the latest emergency.

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if they were made to BE the roof as well as a solar power generator, it wouldn't matter if they no longer generated a charge. They could just be the roofing material. Disposal in place as part of a long term asset.

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The biggest problem I have had with all of the move to the alternate fuel sources is the reason - Clean energy, Carbon footprint and Climate Change.

In and of themselves, I have no issue with any and like discussions, but they have become religious zealots over it. No alternate opinion is tolerated. So it is very difficult to have a conversation about it. I am watching market choices being determined based on pseudo-science and marketing. With no thought of the impacts. Musk is the Barnum of our times, great salesman. He is able to change the national direction on his word.

Are EVs good vehicles? I don't have a problem with them and even have a Volt (2nd). But this is not a market or a technological paradigm shift driving this move. It is political, the Government has entered the market to choose the winners and the losers. That bothers me. The fact their is no thoughts on how we move forward, sort of a mix of Govt intervention and let the market determine. Questions:

• What is being done to upgrade the electric grid to handle this move?
• Will it ultimately be more expensive than the current ICE set up? (Free ride is over for EVs, they are working on how to charge for it. No more loop hole)
• How will it be paid for and how will the consumer cost of re-charging batteries fit in?
• What will take the place of the gas tax? Will we end up paying twice? - Vehicle Miles Traveled AND energy cost to re-charge/
• Re-charging tech, will it ever get to the point to be competitive with refilling gas? 10 minutes vs 30 (and that is still not attainable for a full charge).
• Battery weight, Rare Earth Minerals, Disposal, Emergency Response and Toxic Chemicals - Questions not broached.
• Are there other techs like hydrogen that will make EV a transitory tech? Is it worth skipping and waiting to see what plays out.
• Is this move taking attention from what will need to be addressed if Climate Change is as bad as being advertised- Mitigation through infrastructure investments?
• Finally, will any of this have ANY impact on what they are trying to solve - Climate Change?

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These are all good questions. To your final question, I think the answer is no this will not do anything for climate change. Climate change is an unsolvable problem. It was created for this very reason so that the govt could use it to tax you forever to fix this problem that mankind cannot solve. We should work to solve the pollution that we know is bad for us like plastics in the ocean, chemicals in our drinking water and air.

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It's better to think of it like reducing our impact upon the climate, I agree. I know people scream electric cars then drink only bottled water at home.

Electric will definitely reduce our impact upon the environment. Converting solar and heat to electricity is still in its infancy. Solar panels are very inefficient, and thermoelectric even further behind. But we shouldn't wait for them to reach maturity, we have to start getting people used to the idea of putting solar panels on their home.

I do think that roofing 50 years from now will look much differently. You could have a layer of solar panel tiles that more or less look normal, then a layer of thermoelectric to capture heat. The reason companies are slow on the uptake is the tech just isn't ready for mass production, at the efficiency levels needed. But it will be soon.

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Well, i honestly do not believe that this switch to EVs is going to make any noticeable difference. Plus, you have China and India building more coal plants as fast as they can. They dont use clean coal over there nor do they care at all about environmental policies.

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The switch from a gas F150 to an F150 Lightning saves about 20 percent on cost of ownership. That is the "noticeable difference" that matters. Once the cost of solar is lower than your monthly electric bill, that is they "noticeable difference" that matters. It is getting closer.

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Until sticker price gets comparable, not going to matter. Can show all the analysis you want, if the majority of people can't get into one it will not matter. For foreseeable future, well to do toy.

RMF5630 said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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muddybrazos said:

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Porteroso said:

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muddybrazos said:

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RMF5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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RMF5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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and what's the plan for all these solar panels and wind mills at the end of their serviceable life?

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There is none, it is a knee-jerk reaction to the latest emergency.

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if they were made to BE the roof as well as a solar power generator, it wouldn't matter if they no longer generated a charge. They could just be the roofing material. Disposal in place as part of a long term asset.

---

The biggest problem I have had with all of the move to the alternate fuel sources is the reason - Clean energy, Carbon footprint and Climate Change.

In and of themselves, I have no issue with any and like discussions, but they have become religious zealots over it. No alternate opinion is tolerated. So it is very difficult to have a conversation about it. I am watching market choices being determined based on pseudo-science and marketing. With no thought of the impacts. Musk is the Barnum of our times, great salesman. He is able to change the national direction on his word.

Are EVs good vehicles? I don't have a problem with them and even have a Volt (2nd). But this is not a market or a technological paradigm shift driving this move. It is political, the Government has entered the market to choose the winners and the losers. That bothers me. The fact their is no thoughts on how we move forward, sort of a mix of Govt intervention and let the market determine. Questions:

• What is being done to upgrade the electric grid to handle this move?
• Will it ultimately be more expensive than the current ICE set up? (Free ride is over for EVs, they are working on how to charge for it. No more loop hole)
• How will it be paid for and how will the consumer cost of re-charging batteries fit in?
• What will take the place of the gas tax? Will we end up paying twice? - Vehicle Miles Traveled AND energy cost to re-charge/
• Re-charging tech, will it ever get to the point to be competitive with refilling gas? 10 minutes vs 30 (and that is still not attainable for a full charge).
• Battery weight, Rare Earth Minerals, Disposal, Emergency Response and Toxic Chemicals - Questions not broached.
• Are there other techs like hydrogen that will make EV a transitory tech? Is it worth skipping and waiting to see what plays out.
• Is this move taking attention from what will need to be addressed if Climate Change is as bad as being advertised- Mitigation through infrastructure investments?
• Finally, will any of this have ANY impact on what they are trying to solve - Climate Change?

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These are all good questions. To your final question, I think the answer is no this will not do anything for climate change. Climate change is an unsolvable problem. It was created for this very reason so that the govt could use it to tax you forever to fix this problem that mankind cannot solve. We should work to solve the pollution that we know is bad for us like plastics in the ocean, chemicals in our drinking water and air.

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It's better to think of it like reducing our impact upon the climate, I agree. I know people scream electric cars then drink only bottled water at home.

Electric will definitely reduce our impact upon the environment. Converting solar and heat to electricity is still in its infancy. Solar panels are very inefficient, and thermoelectric even further behind. But we shouldn't wait for them to reach maturity, we have to start getting people used to the idea of putting solar panels on their home.

I do think that roofing 50 years from now will look much differently. You could have a layer of solar panel tiles that more or less look normal, then a layer of thermoelectric to capture heat. The reason companies are slow on the uptake is the tech just isn't ready for mass production, at the efficiency levels needed. But it will be soon.

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Well, i honestly do not believe that this switch to EVs is going to make any noticeable difference. Plus, you have China and India building more coal plants as fast as they can. They dont use clean coal over there nor do they care at all about environmental policies.

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The switch from a gas F150 to an F150 Lightning saves about 20 percent on cost of ownership. That is the "noticeable difference" that matters. Once the cost of solar is lower than your monthly electric bill, that is they "noticeable difference" that matters. It is getting closer.

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Until sticker price gets comparable, not going to matter. Can show all the analysis you want, if the majority of people can't get into one it will not matter. For foreseeable future, well to do toy.

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So I'm in a position where an EV would be really practical. I wasn't for the last 5 years but I am now.

If you're driving 100 miles a day then you can pretty easily justify the cost. If you're driving 10 miles a day then cost probably isn't the main driver of the purchase.

Not that you can get them but the sticker price really isn't appreciably different in most cases

RMF5630 said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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muddybrazos said:

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Porteroso said:

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muddybrazos said:

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RMF5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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RMF5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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and what's the plan for all these solar panels and wind mills at the end of their serviceable life?

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There is none, it is a knee-jerk reaction to the latest emergency.

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if they were made to BE the roof as well as a solar power generator, it wouldn't matter if they no longer generated a charge. They could just be the roofing material. Disposal in place as part of a long term asset.

---

The biggest problem I have had with all of the move to the alternate fuel sources is the reason - Clean energy, Carbon footprint and Climate Change.

In and of themselves, I have no issue with any and like discussions, but they have become religious zealots over it. No alternate opinion is tolerated. So it is very difficult to have a conversation about it. I am watching market choices being determined based on pseudo-science and marketing. With no thought of the impacts. Musk is the Barnum of our times, great salesman. He is able to change the national direction on his word.

Are EVs good vehicles? I don't have a problem with them and even have a Volt (2nd). But this is not a market or a technological paradigm shift driving this move. It is political, the Government has entered the market to choose the winners and the losers. That bothers me. The fact their is no thoughts on how we move forward, sort of a mix of Govt intervention and let the market determine. Questions:

• What is being done to upgrade the electric grid to handle this move?
• Will it ultimately be more expensive than the current ICE set up? (Free ride is over for EVs, they are working on how to charge for it. No more loop hole)
• How will it be paid for and how will the consumer cost of re-charging batteries fit in?
• What will take the place of the gas tax? Will we end up paying twice? - Vehicle Miles Traveled AND energy cost to re-charge/
• Re-charging tech, will it ever get to the point to be competitive with refilling gas? 10 minutes vs 30 (and that is still not attainable for a full charge).
• Battery weight, Rare Earth Minerals, Disposal, Emergency Response and Toxic Chemicals - Questions not broached.
• Are there other techs like hydrogen that will make EV a transitory tech? Is it worth skipping and waiting to see what plays out.
• Is this move taking attention from what will need to be addressed if Climate Change is as bad as being advertised- Mitigation through infrastructure investments?
• Finally, will any of this have ANY impact on what they are trying to solve - Climate Change?

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These are all good questions. To your final question, I think the answer is no this will not do anything for climate change. Climate change is an unsolvable problem. It was created for this very reason so that the govt could use it to tax you forever to fix this problem that mankind cannot solve. We should work to solve the pollution that we know is bad for us like plastics in the ocean, chemicals in our drinking water and air.

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It's better to think of it like reducing our impact upon the climate, I agree. I know people scream electric cars then drink only bottled water at home.

Electric will definitely reduce our impact upon the environment. Converting solar and heat to electricity is still in its infancy. Solar panels are very inefficient, and thermoelectric even further behind. But we shouldn't wait for them to reach maturity, we have to start getting people used to the idea of putting solar panels on their home.

I do think that roofing 50 years from now will look much differently. You could have a layer of solar panel tiles that more or less look normal, then a layer of thermoelectric to capture heat. The reason companies are slow on the uptake is the tech just isn't ready for mass production, at the efficiency levels needed. But it will be soon.

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Well, i honestly do not believe that this switch to EVs is going to make any noticeable difference. Plus, you have China and India building more coal plants as fast as they can. They dont use clean coal over there nor do they care at all about environmental policies.

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The switch from a gas F150 to an F150 Lightning saves about 20 percent on cost of ownership. That is the "noticeable difference" that matters. Once the cost of solar is lower than your monthly electric bill, that is they "noticeable difference" that matters. It is getting closer.

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Until sticker price gets comparable, not going to matter. Can show all the analysis you want, if the majority of people can't get into one it will not matter. For foreseeable future, well to do toy.

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It is going to be a long time before "the majority of people" can get into an electric vehicle, but the F 150 Lightning is a great option for those looking to buy a truck in that price range (there's (only) a 10K premium on the lower end models). If you finance it for 60 months and drive the US average of 15K miles per year you will have made up the difference and then some by the time you pay it off. The truck will also power your house in the event of a power outage and it has lots of extra storage where the gas engine used to be.

It's amazing to watch messaging from this garbage-fire administration veer madly between "you're just imagining all this economic pain, we're doing great" and "you deserve to suffer because it will force you to buy electric cars." America is trapped in an abusive relationship. https://t.co/UtxzXViwEL

— John Hayward (@Doc_0) June 20, 2022

Doc Holliday said:

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It's amazing to watch messaging from this garbage-fire administration veer madly between "you're just imagining all this economic pain, we're doing great" and "you deserve to suffer because it will force you to buy electric cars." America is trapped in an abusive relationship. https://t.co/UtxzXViwEL

— John Hayward (@Doc_0) June 20, 2022

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Lying comes so naturally to him.

D. C. Bear said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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It's amazing to watch messaging from this garbage-fire administration veer madly between "you're just imagining all this economic pain, we're doing great" and "you deserve to suffer because it will force you to buy electric cars." America is trapped in an abusive relationship. https://t.co/UtxzXViwEL

— John Hayward (@Doc_0) June 20, 2022

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Lying comes so naturally to him.

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Lying is synonymous with politician.

Doc Holliday said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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It's amazing to watch messaging from this garbage-fire administration veer madly between "you're just imagining all this economic pain, we're doing great" and "you deserve to suffer because it will force you to buy electric cars." America is trapped in an abusive relationship. https://t.co/UtxzXViwEL

— John Hayward (@Doc_0) June 20, 2022

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Lying comes so naturally to him.

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Lying is synonymous with politician.

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He goes above and beyond the standard.

It's not lying. I think he genuinely believes it.

nein51 said:

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It's not lying. I think he genuinely believes it.

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Strongly doubt it .


The old fella has the belch out the company line at all times.

RMF5630 said:

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Porteroso said:

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muddybrazos said:

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RMF5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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RMF5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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and what's the plan for all these solar panels and wind mills at the end of their serviceable life?

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There is none, it is a knee-jerk reaction to the latest emergency.

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if they were made to BE the roof as well as a solar power generator, it wouldn't matter if they no longer generated a charge. They could just be the roofing material. Disposal in place as part of a long term asset.

---

The biggest problem I have had with all of the move to the alternate fuel sources is the reason - Clean energy, Carbon footprint and Climate Change.

In and of themselves, I have no issue with any and like discussions, but they have become religious zealots over it. No alternate opinion is tolerated. So it is very difficult to have a conversation about it. I am watching market choices being determined based on pseudo-science and marketing. With no thought of the impacts. Musk is the Barnum of our times, great salesman. He is able to change the national direction on his word.

Are EVs good vehicles? I don't have a problem with them and even have a Volt (2nd). But this is not a market or a technological paradigm shift driving this move. It is political, the Government has entered the market to choose the winners and the losers. That bothers me. The fact their is no thoughts on how we move forward, sort of a mix of Govt intervention and let the market determine. Questions:

• What is being done to upgrade the electric grid to handle this move?
• Will it ultimately be more expensive than the current ICE set up? (Free ride is over for EVs, they are working on how to charge for it. No more loop hole)
• How will it be paid for and how will the consumer cost of re-charging batteries fit in?
• What will take the place of the gas tax? Will we end up paying twice? - Vehicle Miles Traveled AND energy cost to re-charge/
• Re-charging tech, will it ever get to the point to be competitive with refilling gas? 10 minutes vs 30 (and that is still not attainable for a full charge).
• Battery weight, Rare Earth Minerals, Disposal, Emergency Response and Toxic Chemicals - Questions not broached.
• Are there other techs like hydrogen that will make EV a transitory tech? Is it worth skipping and waiting to see what plays out.
• Is this move taking attention from what will need to be addressed if Climate Change is as bad as being advertised- Mitigation through infrastructure investments?
• Finally, will any of this have ANY impact on what they are trying to solve - Climate Change?

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These are all good questions. To your final question, I think the answer is no this will not do anything for climate change. Climate change is an unsolvable problem. It was created for this very reason so that the govt could use it to tax you forever to fix this problem that mankind cannot solve. We should work to solve the pollution that we know is bad for us like plastics in the ocean, chemicals in our drinking water and air.

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It's better to think of it like reducing our impact upon the climate, I agree. I know people scream electric cars then drink only bottled water at home.

Electric will definitely reduce our impact upon the environment. Converting solar and heat to electricity is still in its infancy. Solar panels are very inefficient, and thermoelectric even further behind. But we shouldn't wait for them to reach maturity, we have to start getting people used to the idea of putting solar panels on their home.

I do think that roofing 50 years from now will look much differently. You could have a layer of solar panel tiles that more or less look normal, then a layer of thermoelectric to capture heat. The reason companies are slow on the uptake is the tech just isn't ready for mass production, at the efficiency levels needed. But it will be soon.

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Reduce our impact? That is where I have an issue. What impact? Carbon? There is more to the environment than Carbon, it is not even the most destructive Greenhouse gas. EV's are just as destructive to the environment as a whole. They rely on petroleum based products to build. The REMs needs are horrific to mine, never mind China controls most. The electric is still being produced by LNG and Coal. Finally, they are facist as only the rich can afford, social justice nightmare no one brings up (But, try to built a toll lane!) : )

Are we really doing anything? Or is it a circle jerk to make everyone feel better...

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We already have a massive impact. I can't help you if you can't find sound scientists to listen to.

EVs may not be a lot better than gasoline cars now, but gas cars have had quite some time to improve. EVs will far outstrip them in the next 20 years. Again, beginning a gradual transition is more important than the near term result.

I am no huge lover of EVs. I have an old project car I'm going to drive till it's dust. But at a certain price point, and gas price point, I'll be tempted for the second car.

Porteroso said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Porteroso said:

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muddybrazos said:

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RMF5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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RMF5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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and what's the plan for all these solar panels and wind mills at the end of their serviceable life?

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My point is we need to look at the full impacts, not cherry pick. Any manufacturing will have negative impacts, there is no magic bullet. EVs do somethings better and some worse than ICE. We need a mature discussion, not emotional or marketing.

There is none, it is a knee-jerk reaction to the latest emergency.

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if they were made to BE the roof as well as a solar power generator, it wouldn't matter if they no longer generated a charge. They could just be the roofing material. Disposal in place as part of a long term asset.

---

The biggest problem I have had with all of the move to the alternate fuel sources is the reason - Clean energy, Carbon footprint and Climate Change.

In and of themselves, I have no issue with any and like discussions, but they have become religious zealots over it. No alternate opinion is tolerated. So it is very difficult to have a conversation about it. I am watching market choices being determined based on pseudo-science and marketing. With no thought of the impacts. Musk is the Barnum of our times, great salesman. He is able to change the national direction on his word.

Are EVs good vehicles? I don't have a problem with them and even have a Volt (2nd). But this is not a market or a technological paradigm shift driving this move. It is political, the Government has entered the market to choose the winners and the losers. That bothers me. The fact their is no thoughts on how we move forward, sort of a mix of Govt intervention and let the market determine. Questions:

• What is being done to upgrade the electric grid to handle this move?
• Will it ultimately be more expensive than the current ICE set up? (Free ride is over for EVs, they are working on how to charge for it. No more loop hole)
• How will it be paid for and how will the consumer cost of re-charging batteries fit in?
• What will take the place of the gas tax? Will we end up paying twice? - Vehicle Miles Traveled AND energy cost to re-charge/
• Re-charging tech, will it ever get to the point to be competitive with refilling gas? 10 minutes vs 30 (and that is still not attainable for a full charge).
• Battery weight, Rare Earth Minerals, Disposal, Emergency Response and Toxic Chemicals - Questions not broached.
• Are there other techs like hydrogen that will make EV a transitory tech? Is it worth skipping and waiting to see what plays out.
• Is this move taking attention from what will need to be addressed if Climate Change is as bad as being advertised- Mitigation through infrastructure investments?
• Finally, will any of this have ANY impact on what they are trying to solve - Climate Change?

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These are all good questions. To your final question, I think the answer is no this will not do anything for climate change. Climate change is an unsolvable problem. It was created for this very reason so that the govt could use it to tax you forever to fix this problem that mankind cannot solve. We should work to solve the pollution that we know is bad for us like plastics in the ocean, chemicals in our drinking water and air.

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It's better to think of it like reducing our impact upon the climate, I agree. I know people scream electric cars then drink only bottled water at home.

Electric will definitely reduce our impact upon the environment. Converting solar and heat to electricity is still in its infancy. Solar panels are very inefficient, and thermoelectric even further behind. But we shouldn't wait for them to reach maturity, we have to start getting people used to the idea of putting solar panels on their home.

I do think that roofing 50 years from now will look much differently. You could have a layer of solar panel tiles that more or less look normal, then a layer of thermoelectric to capture heat. The reason companies are slow on the uptake is the tech just isn't ready for mass production, at the efficiency levels needed. But it will be soon.

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Reduce our impact? That is where I have an issue. What impact? Carbon? There is more to the environment than Carbon, it is not even the most destructive Greenhouse gas. EV's are just as destructive to the environment as a whole. They rely on petroleum based products to build. The REMs needs are horrific to mine, never mind China controls most. The electric is still being produced by LNG and Coal. Finally, they are facist as only the rich can afford, social justice nightmare no one brings up (But, try to built a toll lane!) : )

Are we really doing anything? Or is it a circle jerk to make everyone feel better...

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We already have a massive impact. I can't help you if you can't find sound scientists to listen to.

EVs may not be a lot better than gasoline cars now, but gas cars have had quite some time to improve. EVs will far outstrip them in the next 20 years. Again, beginning a gradual transition is more important than the near term result.

I am no huge lover of EVs. I have an old project car I'm going to drive till it's dust. But at a certain price point, and gas price point, I'll be tempted for the second car.

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If only half your car, house, life wasn't plastic/silicon from slaves in China right? Then you'd really have the moral high road!

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Rawhide said:

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If only half your car, house, life wasn't plastic/silicon from slaves in China right? Then you'd really have the moral high road!

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I'm in complete support of having all my stuff Made in America. Now, if only all the companies felt the same way. Moral high road still intact.

But I digress.... so, your line of reasoning is that child slaves are fine as long as there are other child slaves building other stuff too?

pic.twitter.com/YhpHKcCYXz

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) June 21, 2022

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pic.twitter.com/YhpHKcCYXz

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) June 21, 2022

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its even more amusing with the "synergy" on the sign

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jupiter said:

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pic.twitter.com/YhpHKcCYXz

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) June 21, 2022

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its even more amusing with the "synergy" on the sign

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The prophecy has come to pass.

He Hate Me said:

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4th and Inches said:

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jupiter said:

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pic.twitter.com/YhpHKcCYXz

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) June 21, 2022

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its even more amusing with the "synergy" on the sign

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The prophecy has come to pass.

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TODAY - 7/11
TOMORROW - The Double Digit Club!!!!

Mitch Hedberg. It's just so damned literal.

President Biden responds to Chevron CEO Michael Wirth complaining about the Biden administration criticizing oil companies:

“He’s mildly sensitive. I didn’t know they get their feelings hurt that quickly.” pic.twitter.com/a6ga4KKCn7

— The Recount (@therecount) June 21, 2022