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Bear8084
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muddybrazos said:

RMF5630 said:

muddybrazos said:

J.R. said:

muddybrazos said:

Booray said:

And 40 million more people would be under Putin's boot.

I am having a hard time adjusting to the fact that Russia is supposed to get free reign. Used to be our enemy.
Good point. We have to do everything in our power to bring Pride parades and BLM to Ukraine bc they are now the 51st state.
Are you that big of dumb ***** Educate your redneck self. Ukraine, Pride and BLM are not even in the same conversation . Are you really trying to conflate the 3? What is wrong with you?
Ya, I'm a dumb redneck bc our deep state created a color revolution in 2014 to install a nato puppet (Poraschenko) which began a civil war in the Russain regions of Ukraine. Sorry I dont want to get involved in a region that has been basically Russia since the year 1000. We dont have a very good track record of bringing "freedom" to foreign countries in the past 20 years. Ask Iraq, Libya or Syria how great their countries are since we came and left. If we were smart we wouldve made allies with Russia against China but the uniparty regime in DC is not smart. It seems to me and my dumb redneck world view that we enabled this whole war by pushing Nato right up to Putins doorstep and left him really no choice bc he cant be cut off from their Black sea ports.


There is a difference between bringing freedom to some Nation and supporting a Nation that is being invaded by supplying supplies. Ukraine is clearly fighting for its freedom and bearing the brunt of it.

Another difference is we are not the only ones providing supplies.

This isn't the CIA picking a third world nation and using US troops. If we cannot support a Ukraine in this situation who should we ever support!

Maybe you are one of those that think only an invasion of the continental US warrants military action, that is a very naive view.
No, If Russia attacked a nato country we would be right to respond. Until they have done that I dont think we need to be escalating a war with a nuclear power. ALso, I dont think the people running this regime have any clue what theyre doing (see iraq, afghan, syria, yemen, libya), What comes next if Putin is overtheown? You want a nuclear power failed state? A ground war in Russia? All of those things sounds like bad options. I think this is not our fight until he bombs Poland or another Nato country and I think Putin is fairly smart unlike our president. He has already come out ahead in this deal bc all of these sanctions have meant nothing.


Putin is smart? Lol! Yeah...no...
Bear8084
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J.R. said:

muddybrazos said:

J.R. said:

muddybrazos said:

Booray said:

And 40 million more people would be under Putin's boot.

I am having a hard time adjusting to the fact that Russia is supposed to get free reign. Used to be our enemy.
Good point. We have to do everything in our power to bring Pride parades and BLM to Ukraine bc they are now the 51st state.
Are you that big of dumb ***** Educate your redneck self. Ukraine, Pride and BLM are not even in the same conversation . Are you really trying to conflate the 3? What is wrong with you?
Ya, I'm a dumb redneck bc our deep state created a color revolution in 2014 to install a nato puppet (Poraschenko) which began a civil war in the Russain regions of Ukraine. Sorry I dont want to get involved in a region that has been basically Russia since the year 1000. We dont have a very good track record of bringing "freedom" to foreign countries in the past 20 years. Ask Iraq, Libya or Syria how great their countries are since we came and left. If we were smart we wouldve made allies with Russia against China but the uniparty regime in DC is not smart. It seems to me and my dumb redneck world view that we enabled this whole war by pushing Nato right up to Putins doorstep and left him really no choice bc he cant be cut off from their Black sea ports.
Again...Educate yourself.


This. Those are just Russian bot propaganda pieces trying to justify an extremely costly and unnecessary war of aggression.
muddybrazos
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Bear8084 said:

muddybrazos said:

RMF5630 said:

muddybrazos said:

J.R. said:

muddybrazos said:

Booray said:

And 40 million more people would be under Putin's boot.

I am having a hard time adjusting to the fact that Russia is supposed to get free reign. Used to be our enemy.
Good point. We have to do everything in our power to bring Pride parades and BLM to Ukraine bc they are now the 51st state.
Are you that big of dumb ***** Educate your redneck self. Ukraine, Pride and BLM are not even in the same conversation . Are you really trying to conflate the 3? What is wrong with you?
Ya, I'm a dumb redneck bc our deep state created a color revolution in 2014 to install a nato puppet (Poraschenko) which began a civil war in the Russain regions of Ukraine. Sorry I dont want to get involved in a region that has been basically Russia since the year 1000. We dont have a very good track record of bringing "freedom" to foreign countries in the past 20 years. Ask Iraq, Libya or Syria how great their countries are since we came and left. If we were smart we wouldve made allies with Russia against China but the uniparty regime in DC is not smart. It seems to me and my dumb redneck world view that we enabled this whole war by pushing Nato right up to Putins doorstep and left him really no choice bc he cant be cut off from their Black sea ports.


There is a difference between bringing freedom to some Nation and supporting a Nation that is being invaded by supplying supplies. Ukraine is clearly fighting for its freedom and bearing the brunt of it.

Another difference is we are not the only ones providing supplies.

This isn't the CIA picking a third world nation and using US troops. If we cannot support a Ukraine in this situation who should we ever support!

Maybe you are one of those that think only an invasion of the continental US warrants military action, that is a very naive view.
No, If Russia attacked a nato country we would be right to respond. Until they have done that I dont think we need to be escalating a war with a nuclear power. ALso, I dont think the people running this regime have any clue what theyre doing (see iraq, afghan, syria, yemen, libya), What comes next if Putin is overtheown? You want a nuclear power failed state? A ground war in Russia? All of those things sounds like bad options. I think this is not our fight until he bombs Poland or another Nato country and I think Putin is fairly smart unlike our president. He has already come out ahead in this deal bc all of these sanctions have meant nothing.


Putin is smart? Lol! Yeah...no...


You may not like him but he is not dumb. Go watch these Oliver Stone interviews.
Bear8084
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muddybrazos said:

Bear8084 said:

muddybrazos said:

RMF5630 said:

muddybrazos said:

J.R. said:

muddybrazos said:

Booray said:

And 40 million more people would be under Putin's boot.

I am having a hard time adjusting to the fact that Russia is supposed to get free reign. Used to be our enemy.
Good point. We have to do everything in our power to bring Pride parades and BLM to Ukraine bc they are now the 51st state.
Are you that big of dumb ***** Educate your redneck self. Ukraine, Pride and BLM are not even in the same conversation . Are you really trying to conflate the 3? What is wrong with you?
Ya, I'm a dumb redneck bc our deep state created a color revolution in 2014 to install a nato puppet (Poraschenko) which began a civil war in the Russain regions of Ukraine. Sorry I dont want to get involved in a region that has been basically Russia since the year 1000. We dont have a very good track record of bringing "freedom" to foreign countries in the past 20 years. Ask Iraq, Libya or Syria how great their countries are since we came and left. If we were smart we wouldve made allies with Russia against China but the uniparty regime in DC is not smart. It seems to me and my dumb redneck world view that we enabled this whole war by pushing Nato right up to Putins doorstep and left him really no choice bc he cant be cut off from their Black sea ports.


There is a difference between bringing freedom to some Nation and supporting a Nation that is being invaded by supplying supplies. Ukraine is clearly fighting for its freedom and bearing the brunt of it.

Another difference is we are not the only ones providing supplies.

This isn't the CIA picking a third world nation and using US troops. If we cannot support a Ukraine in this situation who should we ever support!

Maybe you are one of those that think only an invasion of the continental US warrants military action, that is a very naive view.
No, If Russia attacked a nato country we would be right to respond. Until they have done that I dont think we need to be escalating a war with a nuclear power. ALso, I dont think the people running this regime have any clue what theyre doing (see iraq, afghan, syria, yemen, libya), What comes next if Putin is overtheown? You want a nuclear power failed state? A ground war in Russia? All of those things sounds like bad options. I think this is not our fight until he bombs Poland or another Nato country and I think Putin is fairly smart unlike our president. He has already come out ahead in this deal bc all of these sanctions have meant nothing.


Putin is smart? Lol! Yeah...no...


You may not like him but he is not dumb. Go watch these Oliver Stone interviews.


While they may have been good interviews then, he's had a change of heart since:

https://deadline.com/2022/03/oliver-stone-criticizes-putin-ukraine-1234973037/

And I still wouldn't buy anything from Putin's Botoxed mealy mouth.
J.R.
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Bear8084 said:

muddybrazos said:

Bear8084 said:

muddybrazos said:

RMF5630 said:

muddybrazos said:

J.R. said:

muddybrazos said:

Booray said:

And 40 million more people would be under Putin's boot.

I am having a hard time adjusting to the fact that Russia is supposed to get free reign. Used to be our enemy.
Good point. We have to do everything in our power to bring Pride parades and BLM to Ukraine bc they are now the 51st state.
Are you that big of dumb ***** Educate your redneck self. Ukraine, Pride and BLM are not even in the same conversation . Are you really trying to conflate the 3? What is wrong with you?
Ya, I'm a dumb redneck bc our deep state created a color revolution in 2014 to install a nato puppet (Poraschenko) which began a civil war in the Russain regions of Ukraine. Sorry I dont want to get involved in a region that has been basically Russia since the year 1000. We dont have a very good track record of bringing "freedom" to foreign countries in the past 20 years. Ask Iraq, Libya or Syria how great their countries are since we came and left. If we were smart we wouldve made allies with Russia against China but the uniparty regime in DC is not smart. It seems to me and my dumb redneck world view that we enabled this whole war by pushing Nato right up to Putins doorstep and left him really no choice bc he cant be cut off from their Black sea ports.


There is a difference between bringing freedom to some Nation and supporting a Nation that is being invaded by supplying supplies. Ukraine is clearly fighting for its freedom and bearing the brunt of it.

Another difference is we are not the only ones providing supplies.

This isn't the CIA picking a third world nation and using US troops. If we cannot support a Ukraine in this situation who should we ever support!

Maybe you are one of those that think only an invasion of the continental US warrants military action, that is a very naive view.
No, If Russia attacked a nato country we would be right to respond. Until they have done that I dont think we need to be escalating a war with a nuclear power. ALso, I dont think the people running this regime have any clue what theyre doing (see iraq, afghan, syria, yemen, libya), What comes next if Putin is overtheown? You want a nuclear power failed state? A ground war in Russia? All of those things sounds like bad options. I think this is not our fight until he bombs Poland or another Nato country and I think Putin is fairly smart unlike our president. He has already come out ahead in this deal bc all of these sanctions have meant nothing.


Putin is smart? Lol! Yeah...no...


You may not like him but he is not dumb. Go watch these Oliver Stone interviews.


Oliver Stone parroting Russian propaganda. No thanks.
No ***** He invoked Oliver Stone for Pete's sake....Is he really that dumb?
Bear8084
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J.R. said:

Bear8084 said:

muddybrazos said:

Bear8084 said:

muddybrazos said:

RMF5630 said:

muddybrazos said:

J.R. said:

muddybrazos said:

Booray said:

And 40 million more people would be under Putin's boot.

I am having a hard time adjusting to the fact that Russia is supposed to get free reign. Used to be our enemy.
Good point. We have to do everything in our power to bring Pride parades and BLM to Ukraine bc they are now the 51st state.
Are you that big of dumb ***** Educate your redneck self. Ukraine, Pride and BLM are not even in the same conversation . Are you really trying to conflate the 3? What is wrong with you?
Ya, I'm a dumb redneck bc our deep state created a color revolution in 2014 to install a nato puppet (Poraschenko) which began a civil war in the Russain regions of Ukraine. Sorry I dont want to get involved in a region that has been basically Russia since the year 1000. We dont have a very good track record of bringing "freedom" to foreign countries in the past 20 years. Ask Iraq, Libya or Syria how great their countries are since we came and left. If we were smart we wouldve made allies with Russia against China but the uniparty regime in DC is not smart. It seems to me and my dumb redneck world view that we enabled this whole war by pushing Nato right up to Putins doorstep and left him really no choice bc he cant be cut off from their Black sea ports.


There is a difference between bringing freedom to some Nation and supporting a Nation that is being invaded by supplying supplies. Ukraine is clearly fighting for its freedom and bearing the brunt of it.

Another difference is we are not the only ones providing supplies.

This isn't the CIA picking a third world nation and using US troops. If we cannot support a Ukraine in this situation who should we ever support!

Maybe you are one of those that think only an invasion of the continental US warrants military action, that is a very naive view.
No, If Russia attacked a nato country we would be right to respond. Until they have done that I dont think we need to be escalating a war with a nuclear power. ALso, I dont think the people running this regime have any clue what theyre doing (see iraq, afghan, syria, yemen, libya), What comes next if Putin is overtheown? You want a nuclear power failed state? A ground war in Russia? All of those things sounds like bad options. I think this is not our fight until he bombs Poland or another Nato country and I think Putin is fairly smart unlike our president. He has already come out ahead in this deal bc all of these sanctions have meant nothing.


Putin is smart? Lol! Yeah...no...


You may not like him but he is not dumb. Go watch these Oliver Stone interviews.


Oliver Stone parroting Russian propaganda. No thanks.
No ***** He invoked Oliver Stone for Pete's sake....Is he really that dumb?


https://deadline.com/2022/03/oliver-stone-criticizes-putin-ukraine-1234973037/

Even with some Russian excuses, Stone is still like "Yeah, that was dumb."
muddybrazos
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Bear8084 said:

muddybrazos said:

Bear8084 said:

muddybrazos said:

RMF5630 said:

muddybrazos said:

J.R. said:

muddybrazos said:

Booray said:

And 40 million more people would be under Putin's boot.

I am having a hard time adjusting to the fact that Russia is supposed to get free reign. Used to be our enemy.
Good point. We have to do everything in our power to bring Pride parades and BLM to Ukraine bc they are now the 51st state.
Are you that big of dumb ***** Educate your redneck self. Ukraine, Pride and BLM are not even in the same conversation . Are you really trying to conflate the 3? What is wrong with you?
Ya, I'm a dumb redneck bc our deep state created a color revolution in 2014 to install a nato puppet (Poraschenko) which began a civil war in the Russain regions of Ukraine. Sorry I dont want to get involved in a region that has been basically Russia since the year 1000. We dont have a very good track record of bringing "freedom" to foreign countries in the past 20 years. Ask Iraq, Libya or Syria how great their countries are since we came and left. If we were smart we wouldve made allies with Russia against China but the uniparty regime in DC is not smart. It seems to me and my dumb redneck world view that we enabled this whole war by pushing Nato right up to Putins doorstep and left him really no choice bc he cant be cut off from their Black sea ports.


There is a difference between bringing freedom to some Nation and supporting a Nation that is being invaded by supplying supplies. Ukraine is clearly fighting for its freedom and bearing the brunt of it.

Another difference is we are not the only ones providing supplies.

This isn't the CIA picking a third world nation and using US troops. If we cannot support a Ukraine in this situation who should we ever support!

Maybe you are one of those that think only an invasion of the continental US warrants military action, that is a very naive view.
No, If Russia attacked a nato country we would be right to respond. Until they have done that I dont think we need to be escalating a war with a nuclear power. ALso, I dont think the people running this regime have any clue what theyre doing (see iraq, afghan, syria, yemen, libya), What comes next if Putin is overtheown? You want a nuclear power failed state? A ground war in Russia? All of those things sounds like bad options. I think this is not our fight until he bombs Poland or another Nato country and I think Putin is fairly smart unlike our president. He has already come out ahead in this deal bc all of these sanctions have meant nothing.


Putin is smart? Lol! Yeah...no...


You may not like him but he is not dumb. Go watch these Oliver Stone interviews.


While they may have been good interviews then, he's had a change of heart since:

https://deadline.com/2022/03/oliver-stone-criticizes-putin-ukraine-1234973037/

And I still wouldn't buy anything from Putin's Botoxed mealy mouth.
I never said he was a good guy just that he is smart. I dont trust Zelensky or Putin. Ukraine and Russia are both shady mafia countries run by gangsters. I think we should be doing our best to avoid conflict there unless Nato is attacked. Ukrainians are already selling javelins to the highest bidder on the deep web so all our tax dollars are just helping do more organized crime.
Bear8084
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muddybrazos said:

Bear8084 said:

muddybrazos said:

Bear8084 said:

muddybrazos said:

RMF5630 said:

muddybrazos said:

J.R. said:

muddybrazos said:

Booray said:

And 40 million more people would be under Putin's boot.

I am having a hard time adjusting to the fact that Russia is supposed to get free reign. Used to be our enemy.
Good point. We have to do everything in our power to bring Pride parades and BLM to Ukraine bc they are now the 51st state.
Are you that big of dumb ***** Educate your redneck self. Ukraine, Pride and BLM are not even in the same conversation . Are you really trying to conflate the 3? What is wrong with you?
Ya, I'm a dumb redneck bc our deep state created a color revolution in 2014 to install a nato puppet (Poraschenko) which began a civil war in the Russain regions of Ukraine. Sorry I dont want to get involved in a region that has been basically Russia since the year 1000. We dont have a very good track record of bringing "freedom" to foreign countries in the past 20 years. Ask Iraq, Libya or Syria how great their countries are since we came and left. If we were smart we wouldve made allies with Russia against China but the uniparty regime in DC is not smart. It seems to me and my dumb redneck world view that we enabled this whole war by pushing Nato right up to Putins doorstep and left him really no choice bc he cant be cut off from their Black sea ports.


There is a difference between bringing freedom to some Nation and supporting a Nation that is being invaded by supplying supplies. Ukraine is clearly fighting for its freedom and bearing the brunt of it.

Another difference is we are not the only ones providing supplies.

This isn't the CIA picking a third world nation and using US troops. If we cannot support a Ukraine in this situation who should we ever support!

Maybe you are one of those that think only an invasion of the continental US warrants military action, that is a very naive view.
No, If Russia attacked a nato country we would be right to respond. Until they have done that I dont think we need to be escalating a war with a nuclear power. ALso, I dont think the people running this regime have any clue what theyre doing (see iraq, afghan, syria, yemen, libya), What comes next if Putin is overtheown? You want a nuclear power failed state? A ground war in Russia? All of those things sounds like bad options. I think this is not our fight until he bombs Poland or another Nato country and I think Putin is fairly smart unlike our president. He has already come out ahead in this deal bc all of these sanctions have meant nothing.


Putin is smart? Lol! Yeah...no...


You may not like him but he is not dumb. Go watch these Oliver Stone interviews.


While they may have been good interviews then, he's had a change of heart since:

https://deadline.com/2022/03/oliver-stone-criticizes-putin-ukraine-1234973037/

And I still wouldn't buy anything from Putin's Botoxed mealy mouth.
I never said he was a good guy just that he is smart. I dont trust Zelensky or Putin. Ukraine and Russia are both shady mafia countries run by gangsters. I think we should be doing our best to avoid conflict there unless Nato is attacked. Ukrainians are already selling javelins to the highest bidder on the deep web so all our tax dollars are just helping do more organized crime.


Holy conspiracy theory...just no.

And no he is not smart. All he's helped do is kill and torture civilians, united the West, put two countries that are even more powerful than Ukraine and share larger borders right into NATO, lost 10+ generals, just about wiped out his officer corps, degraded the VDV, degraded the army, lost 31k+ soldiers and counting, sanctions, and has NOTHING to show for it other than blood and death.

The only thing I agree with is Russia is run by gangsters. That much is apparent.
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muddybrazos said:

RMF5630 said:

muddybrazos said:

J.R. said:

muddybrazos said:

Booray said:

And 40 million more people would be under Putin's boot.

I am having a hard time adjusting to the fact that Russia is supposed to get free reign. Used to be our enemy.
Good point. We have to do everything in our power to bring Pride parades and BLM to Ukraine bc they are now the 51st state.
Are you that big of dumb ***** Educate your redneck self. Ukraine, Pride and BLM are not even in the same conversation . Are you really trying to conflate the 3? What is wrong with you?
Ya, I'm a dumb redneck bc our deep state created a color revolution in 2014 to install a nato puppet (Poraschenko) which began a civil war in the Russain regions of Ukraine. Sorry I dont want to get involved in a region that has been basically Russia since the year 1000. We dont have a very good track record of bringing "freedom" to foreign countries in the past 20 years. Ask Iraq, Libya or Syria how great their countries are since we came and left. If we were smart we wouldve made allies with Russia against China but the uniparty regime in DC is not smart. It seems to me and my dumb redneck world view that we enabled this whole war by pushing Nato right up to Putins doorstep and left him really no choice bc he cant be cut off from their Black sea ports.


There is a difference between bringing freedom to some Nation and supporting a Nation that is being invaded by supplying supplies. Ukraine is clearly fighting for its freedom and bearing the brunt of it.

Another difference is we are not the only ones providing supplies.

This isn't the CIA picking a third world nation and using US troops. If we cannot support a Ukraine in this situation who should we ever support!

Maybe you are one of those that think only an invasion of the continental US warrants military action, that is a very naive view.
No, If Russia attacked a nato country we would be right to respond. Until they have done that I dont think we need to be escalating a war with a nuclear power. ALso, I dont think the people running this regime have any clue what theyre doing (see iraq, afghan, syria, yemen, libya), What comes next if Putin is overtheown? You want a nuclear power failed state? A ground war in Russia? All of those things sounds like bad options. I think this is not our fight until he bombs Poland or another Nato country and I think Putin is fairly smart unlike our president. He has already come out ahead in this deal bc all of these sanctions have meant nothing.



Overthrow Putin?? Who is talking the US overthrowing anyone?? We are supplying supplies and weapons, just like Russia does all over the world. US has not been involved, as if it were a NATO nation.

Your way seems to be just ask Putin and Xi what they want and let them take it. Why? Putin and Xi think nothing of supporting the enemies of the US.
muddybrazos
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RMF5630 said:

muddybrazos said:

RMF5630 said:

muddybrazos said:

J.R. said:

muddybrazos said:

Booray said:

And 40 million more people would be under Putin's boot.

I am having a hard time adjusting to the fact that Russia is supposed to get free reign. Used to be our enemy.
Good point. We have to do everything in our power to bring Pride parades and BLM to Ukraine bc they are now the 51st state.
Are you that big of dumb ***** Educate your redneck self. Ukraine, Pride and BLM are not even in the same conversation . Are you really trying to conflate the 3? What is wrong with you?
Ya, I'm a dumb redneck bc our deep state created a color revolution in 2014 to install a nato puppet (Poraschenko) which began a civil war in the Russain regions of Ukraine. Sorry I dont want to get involved in a region that has been basically Russia since the year 1000. We dont have a very good track record of bringing "freedom" to foreign countries in the past 20 years. Ask Iraq, Libya or Syria how great their countries are since we came and left. If we were smart we wouldve made allies with Russia against China but the uniparty regime in DC is not smart. It seems to me and my dumb redneck world view that we enabled this whole war by pushing Nato right up to Putins doorstep and left him really no choice bc he cant be cut off from their Black sea ports.


There is a difference between bringing freedom to some Nation and supporting a Nation that is being invaded by supplying supplies. Ukraine is clearly fighting for its freedom and bearing the brunt of it.

Another difference is we are not the only ones providing supplies.

This isn't the CIA picking a third world nation and using US troops. If we cannot support a Ukraine in this situation who should we ever support!

Maybe you are one of those that think only an invasion of the continental US warrants military action, that is a very naive view.
No, If Russia attacked a nato country we would be right to respond. Until they have done that I dont think we need to be escalating a war with a nuclear power. ALso, I dont think the people running this regime have any clue what theyre doing (see iraq, afghan, syria, yemen, libya), What comes next if Putin is overtheown? You want a nuclear power failed state? A ground war in Russia? All of those things sounds like bad options. I think this is not our fight until he bombs Poland or another Nato country and I think Putin is fairly smart unlike our president. He has already come out ahead in this deal bc all of these sanctions have meant nothing.



Overthrow Putin?? Who is talking the US overthrowing anyone?? We are supplying supplies and weapons, just like Russia does all over the world. US has not been involved, as if it were a NATO nation.

Your way seems to be just ask Putin and Xi what they want and let them take it. Why? Putin and Xi think nothing of supporting the enemies of the US.

Lindsey Graham
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muddybrazos said:

RMF5630 said:

muddybrazos said:

RMF5630 said:

muddybrazos said:

J.R. said:

muddybrazos said:

Booray said:

And 40 million more people would be under Putin's boot.

I am having a hard time adjusting to the fact that Russia is supposed to get free reign. Used to be our enemy.
Good point. We have to do everything in our power to bring Pride parades and BLM to Ukraine bc they are now the 51st state.
Are you that big of dumb ***** Educate your redneck self. Ukraine, Pride and BLM are not even in the same conversation . Are you really trying to conflate the 3? What is wrong with you?
Ya, I'm a dumb redneck bc our deep state created a color revolution in 2014 to install a nato puppet (Poraschenko) which began a civil war in the Russain regions of Ukraine. Sorry I dont want to get involved in a region that has been basically Russia since the year 1000. We dont have a very good track record of bringing "freedom" to foreign countries in the past 20 years. Ask Iraq, Libya or Syria how great their countries are since we came and left. If we were smart we wouldve made allies with Russia against China but the uniparty regime in DC is not smart. It seems to me and my dumb redneck world view that we enabled this whole war by pushing Nato right up to Putins doorstep and left him really no choice bc he cant be cut off from their Black sea ports.


There is a difference between bringing freedom to some Nation and supporting a Nation that is being invaded by supplying supplies. Ukraine is clearly fighting for its freedom and bearing the brunt of it.

Another difference is we are not the only ones providing supplies.

This isn't the CIA picking a third world nation and using US troops. If we cannot support a Ukraine in this situation who should we ever support!

Maybe you are one of those that think only an invasion of the continental US warrants military action, that is a very naive view.
No, If Russia attacked a nato country we would be right to respond. Until they have done that I dont think we need to be escalating a war with a nuclear power. ALso, I dont think the people running this regime have any clue what theyre doing (see iraq, afghan, syria, yemen, libya), What comes next if Putin is overtheown? You want a nuclear power failed state? A ground war in Russia? All of those things sounds like bad options. I think this is not our fight until he bombs Poland or another Nato country and I think Putin is fairly smart unlike our president. He has already come out ahead in this deal bc all of these sanctions have meant nothing.



Overthrow Putin?? Who is talking the US overthrowing anyone?? We are supplying supplies and weapons, just like Russia does all over the world. US has not been involved, as if it were a NATO nation.

Your way seems to be just ask Putin and Xi what they want and let them take it. Why? Putin and Xi think nothing of supporting the enemies of the US.

Lindsey Graham


Who brought up Lindsey Graham? He is in the minority party with no power. Who cares what he says? I am talking factual actions, not political rhetoric. According to Ilan Omar we should get involved in the Kashmir region. Should we now cut off relations with India
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muddybrazos said:

RMF5630 said:

muddybrazos said:

J.R. said:

muddybrazos said:

Booray said:

And 40 million more people would be under Putin's boot.

I am having a hard time adjusting to the fact that Russia is supposed to get free reign. Used to be our enemy.
Good point. We have to do everything in our power to bring Pride parades and BLM to Ukraine bc they are now the 51st state.
Are you that big of dumb ***** Educate your redneck self. Ukraine, Pride and BLM are not even in the same conversation . Are you really trying to conflate the 3? What is wrong with you?
Ya, I'm a dumb redneck bc our deep state created a color revolution in 2014 to install a nato puppet (Poraschenko) which began a civil war in the Russain regions of Ukraine. Sorry I dont want to get involved in a region that has been basically Russia since the year 1000. We dont have a very good track record of bringing "freedom" to foreign countries in the past 20 years. Ask Iraq, Libya or Syria how great their countries are since we came and left. If we were smart we wouldve made allies with Russia against China but the uniparty regime in DC is not smart. It seems to me and my dumb redneck world view that we enabled this whole war by pushing Nato right up to Putins doorstep and left him really no choice bc he cant be cut off from their Black sea ports.


There is a difference between bringing freedom to some Nation and supporting a Nation that is being invaded by supplying supplies. Ukraine is clearly fighting for its freedom and bearing the brunt of it.

Another difference is we are not the only ones providing supplies.

This isn't the CIA picking a third world nation and using US troops. If we cannot support a Ukraine in this situation who should we ever support!

Maybe you are one of those that think only an invasion of the continental US warrants military action, that is a very naive view.
No, If Russia attacked a nato country we would be right to respond. Until they have done that I dont think we need to be escalating a war with a nuclear power.
100% correct .

Plus the Biden administration owns much of the responsibility for Putin's attack on Ukraine.

Bares much of the responsibility for the thousands of Ukrainian dead .

Now these same idiots are escalating US aid in the face of repeated threats from Putin .



Until sooner or later....Putin is going to lash out ....with another military 'surprise' .

Which like the attack on Ukraine...will not be a real 'surprise' to anyone with an ounce of sense .
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OMG! A failed nuclear state!! Some of you must have a memory block or never heard about the late 80's/early 90's. Same people seem to think the Ukrainian situation started in 2014. You're off by over a decade.
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Canada2017 said:

muddybrazos said:

RMF5630 said:

muddybrazos said:

J.R. said:

muddybrazos said:

Booray said:

And 40 million more people would be under Putin's boot.

I am having a hard time adjusting to the fact that Russia is supposed to get free reign. Used to be our enemy.
Good point. We have to do everything in our power to bring Pride parades and BLM to Ukraine bc they are now the 51st state.
Are you that big of dumb ***** Educate your redneck self. Ukraine, Pride and BLM are not even in the same conversation . Are you really trying to conflate the 3? What is wrong with you?
Ya, I'm a dumb redneck bc our deep state created a color revolution in 2014 to install a nato puppet (Poraschenko) which began a civil war in the Russain regions of Ukraine. Sorry I dont want to get involved in a region that has been basically Russia since the year 1000. We dont have a very good track record of bringing "freedom" to foreign countries in the past 20 years. Ask Iraq, Libya or Syria how great their countries are since we came and left. If we were smart we wouldve made allies with Russia against China but the uniparty regime in DC is not smart. It seems to me and my dumb redneck world view that we enabled this whole war by pushing Nato right up to Putins doorstep and left him really no choice bc he cant be cut off from their Black sea ports.


There is a difference between bringing freedom to some Nation and supporting a Nation that is being invaded by supplying supplies. Ukraine is clearly fighting for its freedom and bearing the brunt of it.

Another difference is we are not the only ones providing supplies.

This isn't the CIA picking a third world nation and using US troops. If we cannot support a Ukraine in this situation who should we ever support!

Maybe you are one of those that think only an invasion of the continental US warrants military action, that is a very naive view.
No, If Russia attacked a nato country we would be right to respond. Until they have done that I dont think we need to be escalating a war with a nuclear power.
100% correct .

Plus the Biden administration owns much of the responsibility for Putin's attack on Ukraine.

Bares much of the responsibility for the thousands of Ukrainian dead .

Now these same idiots are escalating US aid in the face of repeated threats from Putin .



Until sooner or later....Putin is going to lash out ....with another military 'surprise' .

Which like the attack on Ukraine...will not be a real 'surprise' to anyone with an ounce of sense .
We have discussed before and disagree on this one.

The US has not committed troops, nor have we crossed into Ukrainian territory. Supplying weapons to Ukraine, Japan, or any other allie is not escalating. The US and NATO have not supplied long range weapons and Ukraine has agreed not to attack into Russia. Russia does this daily to multiple spots on the globe, see Venezuela. Turnabout is fair play. Putin needs to learn he cannot do whatever he wants without consequences.

This is about recognizing and respecting sovereignty. If you give in here, it does not stop. The full blame for this mess is Obama, if he would have had the balls to do something with Crimea, besides send blankets, this would not be happening. I won't even go into Georgia. This has been coming BECAUSE of attitudes like yours of appeasement.

Russia is not going to pop a nuke over Ukraine. If they do so, every Nation in the world, including China, will turn on them even more than now. They will have a multi-front war with numerous nuclear powers to contend with, so no the nuclear option is not going to happen. They cannot win a nuclear war or even survive, there is more than the US and China to contend.
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RMF5630 said:

Canada2017 said:

muddybrazos said:

RMF5630 said:

muddybrazos said:

J.R. said:

muddybrazos said:

Booray said:

And 40 million more people would be under Putin's boot.

I am having a hard time adjusting to the fact that Russia is supposed to get free reign. Used to be our enemy.
Good point. We have to do everything in our power to bring Pride parades and BLM to Ukraine bc they are now the 51st state.
Are you that big of dumb ***** Educate your redneck self. Ukraine, Pride and BLM are not even in the same conversation . Are you really trying to conflate the 3? What is wrong with you?
Ya, I'm a dumb redneck bc our deep state created a color revolution in 2014 to install a nato puppet (Poraschenko) which began a civil war in the Russain regions of Ukraine. Sorry I dont want to get involved in a region that has been basically Russia since the year 1000. We dont have a very good track record of bringing "freedom" to foreign countries in the past 20 years. Ask Iraq, Libya or Syria how great their countries are since we came and left. If we were smart we wouldve made allies with Russia against China but the uniparty regime in DC is not smart. It seems to me and my dumb redneck world view that we enabled this whole war by pushing Nato right up to Putins doorstep and left him really no choice bc he cant be cut off from their Black sea ports.


There is a difference between bringing freedom to some Nation and supporting a Nation that is being invaded by supplying supplies. Ukraine is clearly fighting for its freedom and bearing the brunt of it.

Another difference is we are not the only ones providing supplies.

This isn't the CIA picking a third world nation and using US troops. If we cannot support a Ukraine in this situation who should we ever support!

Maybe you are one of those that think only an invasion of the continental US warrants military action, that is a very naive view.
No, If Russia attacked a nato country we would be right to respond. Until they have done that I dont think we need to be escalating a war with a nuclear power.
100% correct .

Plus the Biden administration owns much of the responsibility for Putin's attack on Ukraine.

Bares much of the responsibility for the thousands of Ukrainian dead .

Now these same idiots are escalating US aid in the face of repeated threats from Putin .



Until sooner or later....Putin is going to lash out ....with another military 'surprise' .

Which like the attack on Ukraine...will not be a real 'surprise' to anyone with an ounce of sense .
We have discussed before and disagree on this one.

The US has not committed troops, nor have we crossed into Ukrainian territory. Supplying weapons to Ukraine, Japan, or any other allie is not escalating. The US and NATO have not supplied long range weapons and Ukraine has agreed not to attack into Russia. Russia does this daily to multiple spots on the globe, see Venezuela. Turnabout is fair play. Putin needs to learn he cannot do whatever he wants without consequences.

This is about recognizing and respecting sovereignty. If you give in here, it does not stop. The full blame for this mess is Obama, if he would have had the balls to do something with Crimea, besides send blankets, this would not be happening. I won't even go into Georgia. This has been coming BECAUSE of attitudes like yours of appeasement.

Russia is not going to pop a nuke over Ukraine. If they do so, every Nation in the world, including China, will turn on them even more than now. They will have a multi-front war with numerous nuclear powers to contend with, so no the nuclear option is not going to happen. They cannot win a nuclear war or even survive, there is more than the US and China to contend.
Ridiculous to risk the deaths of American servicemen and civilians over a country not directly associated with the national security of the United States .

Period

Of course if the tens of thousands of casualties associated with Korea, Vietnam , and the Middle East hasn't opened your eyes to the waste and futility of playing the world's policeman ............

neither will this Ukrainian idiocy .
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Canada2017 said:

RMF5630 said:

Canada2017 said:

muddybrazos said:

RMF5630 said:

muddybrazos said:

J.R. said:

muddybrazos said:

Booray said:

And 40 million more people would be under Putin's boot.

I am having a hard time adjusting to the fact that Russia is supposed to get free reign. Used to be our enemy.
Good point. We have to do everything in our power to bring Pride parades and BLM to Ukraine bc they are now the 51st state.
Are you that big of dumb ***** Educate your redneck self. Ukraine, Pride and BLM are not even in the same conversation . Are you really trying to conflate the 3? What is wrong with you?
Ya, I'm a dumb redneck bc our deep state created a color revolution in 2014 to install a nato puppet (Poraschenko) which began a civil war in the Russain regions of Ukraine. Sorry I dont want to get involved in a region that has been basically Russia since the year 1000. We dont have a very good track record of bringing "freedom" to foreign countries in the past 20 years. Ask Iraq, Libya or Syria how great their countries are since we came and left. If we were smart we wouldve made allies with Russia against China but the uniparty regime in DC is not smart. It seems to me and my dumb redneck world view that we enabled this whole war by pushing Nato right up to Putins doorstep and left him really no choice bc he cant be cut off from their Black sea ports.


There is a difference between bringing freedom to some Nation and supporting a Nation that is being invaded by supplying supplies. Ukraine is clearly fighting for its freedom and bearing the brunt of it.

Another difference is we are not the only ones providing supplies.

This isn't the CIA picking a third world nation and using US troops. If we cannot support a Ukraine in this situation who should we ever support!

Maybe you are one of those that think only an invasion of the continental US warrants military action, that is a very naive view.
No, If Russia attacked a nato country we would be right to respond. Until they have done that I dont think we need to be escalating a war with a nuclear power.
100% correct .

Plus the Biden administration owns much of the responsibility for Putin's attack on Ukraine.

Bares much of the responsibility for the thousands of Ukrainian dead .

Now these same idiots are escalating US aid in the face of repeated threats from Putin .



Until sooner or later....Putin is going to lash out ....with another military 'surprise' .

Which like the attack on Ukraine...will not be a real 'surprise' to anyone with an ounce of sense .
We have discussed before and disagree on this one.

The US has not committed troops, nor have we crossed into Ukrainian territory. Supplying weapons to Ukraine, Japan, or any other allie is not escalating. The US and NATO have not supplied long range weapons and Ukraine has agreed not to attack into Russia. Russia does this daily to multiple spots on the globe, see Venezuela. Turnabout is fair play. Putin needs to learn he cannot do whatever he wants without consequences.

This is about recognizing and respecting sovereignty. If you give in here, it does not stop. The full blame for this mess is Obama, if he would have had the balls to do something with Crimea, besides send blankets, this would not be happening. I won't even go into Georgia. This has been coming BECAUSE of attitudes like yours of appeasement.

Russia is not going to pop a nuke over Ukraine. If they do so, every Nation in the world, including China, will turn on them even more than now. They will have a multi-front war with numerous nuclear powers to contend with, so no the nuclear option is not going to happen. They cannot win a nuclear war or even survive, there is more than the US and China to contend.
Ridiculous to risk the deaths of American servicemen and civilians over a country not directly associated with the national security of the United States .

Period

Of course if the tens of thousands of casualties associated with Korea, Vietnam , and the Middle East hasn't opened your eyes to the waste and futility of playing the world's policeman ............

neither will this Ukrainian idiocy .
How many troops have been committed???
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RMF5630 said:

Canada2017 said:

muddybrazos said:

RMF5630 said:

muddybrazos said:

J.R. said:

muddybrazos said:

Booray said:

And 40 million more people would be under Putin's boot.

I am having a hard time adjusting to the fact that Russia is supposed to get free reign. Used to be our enemy.
Good point. We have to do everything in our power to bring Pride parades and BLM to Ukraine bc they are now the 51st state.
Are you that big of dumb ***** Educate your redneck self. Ukraine, Pride and BLM are not even in the same conversation . Are you really trying to conflate the 3? What is wrong with you?
Ya, I'm a dumb redneck bc our deep state created a color revolution in 2014 to install a nato puppet (Poraschenko) which began a civil war in the Russain regions of Ukraine. Sorry I dont want to get involved in a region that has been basically Russia since the year 1000. We dont have a very good track record of bringing "freedom" to foreign countries in the past 20 years. Ask Iraq, Libya or Syria how great their countries are since we came and left. If we were smart we wouldve made allies with Russia against China but the uniparty regime in DC is not smart. It seems to me and my dumb redneck world view that we enabled this whole war by pushing Nato right up to Putins doorstep and left him really no choice bc he cant be cut off from their Black sea ports.


There is a difference between bringing freedom to some Nation and supporting a Nation that is being invaded by supplying supplies. Ukraine is clearly fighting for its freedom and bearing the brunt of it.

Another difference is we are not the only ones providing supplies.

This isn't the CIA picking a third world nation and using US troops. If we cannot support a Ukraine in this situation who should we ever support!

Maybe you are one of those that think only an invasion of the continental US warrants military action, that is a very naive view.
No, If Russia attacked a nato country we would be right to respond. Until they have done that I dont think we need to be escalating a war with a nuclear power.
100% correct .

Plus the Biden administration owns much of the responsibility for Putin's attack on Ukraine.

Bares much of the responsibility for the thousands of Ukrainian dead .

Now these same idiots are escalating US aid in the face of repeated threats from Putin .



Until sooner or later....Putin is going to lash out ....with another military 'surprise' .

Which like the attack on Ukraine...will not be a real 'surprise' to anyone with an ounce of sense .
We have discussed before and disagree on this one.

The US has not committed troops, nor have we crossed into Ukrainian territory. Supplying weapons to Ukraine, Japan, or any other allie is not escalating. The US and NATO have not supplied long range weapons and Ukraine has agreed not to attack into Russia. Russia does this daily to multiple spots on the globe, see Venezuela. Turnabout is fair play. Putin needs to learn he cannot do whatever he wants without consequences.

This is about recognizing and respecting sovereignty. If you give in here, it does not stop. The full blame for this mess is Obama, if he would have had the balls to do something with Crimea, besides send blankets, this would not be happening. I won't even go into Georgia. This has been coming BECAUSE of attitudes like yours of appeasement.

Russia is not going to pop a nuke over Ukraine. If they do so, every Nation in the world, including China, will turn on them even more than now. They will have a multi-front war with numerous nuclear powers to contend with, so no the nuclear option is not going to happen. They cannot win a nuclear war or even survive, there is more than the US and China to contend.


Pretty close. Though Putin has held Ukraine in a negative light for quite some time. An invasion was coming eventually. This is a war of annihilation, to wipe Ukraine and their culture off the map, and then it will be the Baltics and Poland that may be in the crossfire next.

Thankfully the West has been supporting and supplying Ukraine to break the teeth of the Russian war machine so Putin and his successors think twice before pulling off such a foolish move again.
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RMF5630 said:

Canada2017 said:

muddybrazos said:

RMF5630 said:

muddybrazos said:

J.R. said:

muddybrazos said:

Booray said:

And 40 million more people would be under Putin's boot.

I am having a hard time adjusting to the fact that Russia is supposed to get free reign. Used to be our enemy.
Good point. We have to do everything in our power to bring Pride parades and BLM to Ukraine bc they are now the 51st state.
Are you that big of dumb ***** Educate your redneck self. Ukraine, Pride and BLM are not even in the same conversation . Are you really trying to conflate the 3? What is wrong with you?
Ya, I'm a dumb redneck bc our deep state created a color revolution in 2014 to install a nato puppet (Poraschenko) which began a civil war in the Russain regions of Ukraine. Sorry I dont want to get involved in a region that has been basically Russia since the year 1000. We dont have a very good track record of bringing "freedom" to foreign countries in the past 20 years. Ask Iraq, Libya or Syria how great their countries are since we came and left. If we were smart we wouldve made allies with Russia against China but the uniparty regime in DC is not smart. It seems to me and my dumb redneck world view that we enabled this whole war by pushing Nato right up to Putins doorstep and left him really no choice bc he cant be cut off from their Black sea ports.


There is a difference between bringing freedom to some Nation and supporting a Nation that is being invaded by supplying supplies. Ukraine is clearly fighting for its freedom and bearing the brunt of it.

Another difference is we are not the only ones providing supplies.

This isn't the CIA picking a third world nation and using US troops. If we cannot support a Ukraine in this situation who should we ever support!

Maybe you are one of those that think only an invasion of the continental US warrants military action, that is a very naive view.
No, If Russia attacked a nato country we would be right to respond. Until they have done that I dont think we need to be escalating a war with a nuclear power.
100% correct .

Plus the Biden administration owns much of the responsibility for Putin's attack on Ukraine.

Bares much of the responsibility for the thousands of Ukrainian dead .

Now these same idiots are escalating US aid in the face of repeated threats from Putin .



Until sooner or later....Putin is going to lash out ....with another military 'surprise' .

Which like the attack on Ukraine...will not be a real 'surprise' to anyone with an ounce of sense .
We have discussed before and disagree on this one.

The US has not committed troops, nor have we crossed into Ukrainian territory. Supplying weapons to Ukraine, Japan, or any other allie is not escalating. The US and NATO have not supplied long range weapons and Ukraine has agreed not to attack into Russia. Russia does this daily to multiple spots on the globe, see Venezuela. Turnabout is fair play. Putin needs to learn he cannot do whatever he wants without consequences.

This is about recognizing and respecting sovereignty. If you give in here, it does not stop. The full blame for this mess is Obama, if he would have had the balls to do something with Crimea, besides send blankets, this would not be happening. I won't even go into Georgia. This has been coming BECAUSE of attitudes like yours of appeasement.

Russia is not going to pop a nuke over Ukraine. If they do so, every Nation in the world, including China, will turn on them even more than now. They will have a multi-front war with numerous nuclear powers to contend with, so no the nuclear option is not going to happen. They cannot win a nuclear war or even survive, there is more than the US and China to contend.
I do agree, that Barry has blood on his hands for drawing the red line which was not to be crossed via Crimea.....He did absolutely nothing. That gave Putin the green light. Shameful.
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Bear8084 said:

RMF5630 said:

Canada2017 said:

muddybrazos said:

RMF5630 said:

muddybrazos said:

J.R. said:

muddybrazos said:

Booray said:

And 40 million more people would be under Putin's boot.

I am having a hard time adjusting to the fact that Russia is supposed to get free reign. Used to be our enemy.
Good point. We have to do everything in our power to bring Pride parades and BLM to Ukraine bc they are now the 51st state.
Are you that big of dumb ***** Educate your redneck self. Ukraine, Pride and BLM are not even in the same conversation . Are you really trying to conflate the 3? What is wrong with you?
Ya, I'm a dumb redneck bc our deep state created a color revolution in 2014 to install a nato puppet (Poraschenko) which began a civil war in the Russain regions of Ukraine. Sorry I dont want to get involved in a region that has been basically Russia since the year 1000. We dont have a very good track record of bringing "freedom" to foreign countries in the past 20 years. Ask Iraq, Libya or Syria how great their countries are since we came and left. If we were smart we wouldve made allies with Russia against China but the uniparty regime in DC is not smart. It seems to me and my dumb redneck world view that we enabled this whole war by pushing Nato right up to Putins doorstep and left him really no choice bc he cant be cut off from their Black sea ports.


There is a difference between bringing freedom to some Nation and supporting a Nation that is being invaded by supplying supplies. Ukraine is clearly fighting for its freedom and bearing the brunt of it.

Another difference is we are not the only ones providing supplies.

This isn't the CIA picking a third world nation and using US troops. If we cannot support a Ukraine in this situation who should we ever support!

Maybe you are one of those that think only an invasion of the continental US warrants military action, that is a very naive view.
No, If Russia attacked a nato country we would be right to respond. Until they have done that I dont think we need to be escalating a war with a nuclear power.
100% correct .

Plus the Biden administration owns much of the responsibility for Putin's attack on Ukraine.

Bares much of the responsibility for the thousands of Ukrainian dead .

Now these same idiots are escalating US aid in the face of repeated threats from Putin .



Until sooner or later....Putin is going to lash out ....with another military 'surprise' .

Which like the attack on Ukraine...will not be a real 'surprise' to anyone with an ounce of sense .
We have discussed before and disagree on this one.

The US has not committed troops, nor have we crossed into Ukrainian territory. Supplying weapons to Ukraine, Japan, or any other allie is not escalating. The US and NATO have not supplied long range weapons and Ukraine has agreed not to attack into Russia. Russia does this daily to multiple spots on the globe, see Venezuela. Turnabout is fair play. Putin needs to learn he cannot do whatever he wants without consequences.

This is about recognizing and respecting sovereignty. If you give in here, it does not stop. The full blame for this mess is Obama, if he would have had the balls to do something with Crimea, besides send blankets, this would not be happening. I won't even go into Georgia. This has been coming BECAUSE of attitudes like yours of appeasement.

Russia is not going to pop a nuke over Ukraine. If they do so, every Nation in the world, including China, will turn on them even more than now. They will have a multi-front war with numerous nuclear powers to contend with, so no the nuclear option is not going to happen. They cannot win a nuclear war or even survive, there is more than the US and China to contend.


Pretty close. Though Putin has held Ukraine in a negative light for quite some time. An invasion was coming eventually. This is a war of annihilation, to wipe Ukraine and their culture off the map, and then it will be the Baltics and Poland that may be in the crossfire next.

Thankfully the West has been supporting and supplying Ukraine to break the teeth of the Russian war machine so Putin and his successors think twice before pulling off such a foolish move again.
We are on same page.
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FLBear5630
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Cobretti said:


What happened to "Lexus Lanes"? Remember when toll roads were evil because it allowed the rich to pay to get out of traffic? Now, EVs are cool? Even though the majority of the population can't afford them. Isn't this the same thing?
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Cobretti said:


See. All of us luzerz just have to purchase a $70,000 electric vehicle and stress the power grid a little more.
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I'll take $6 gas over getting sent to the front lines as cannon fodder
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jupiter said:

I'll take $6 gas over getting sent to the front lines as cannon fodder
Fine for you. For those that were already barely making ends meet, tripling their gasoline bill will push them over the edge.

I have noticed for people that have an excess of disposable income, the gas prices are no big deal, for everybody else if these prices are maintained for a long period you will start seeing a shrinking of the economy as poorer folks savings run out first and then their available credit is maxed out. They will simply have to stop spending.
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J.R. said:

RMF5630 said:

muddybrazos said:

Booray said:

And 40 million more people would be under Putin's boot.

I am having a hard time adjusting to the fact that Russia is supposed to get free reign. Used to be our enemy.
Good point. We have to do everything in our power to bring Pride parades and BLM to Ukraine bc they are now the 51st state.
We have not committed troops and have stayed out like the now Dove-ish GOP wants. I can't stand Biden, but he has not done a bad job on Ukraine. Will I vote for him, no way in hell. But, when someone does something well, they deserve credit.

If any Nation has shown they deserve support it is Ukraine they have laid it on the line and clearly want to survive, unlike other places we did go!

Yeah, we used to work and help those fighting to be free.
Now, it is too much of a bother. Easier to just let Putin and Xi take what they want.
I'm right there with you. I'm not a Biden fan, per se, but I do think he has to ok relative to that tough situation. We cannot allow Putin to do that to people for no reason other than his own pathology . You are correct. We (US/Nato) have to blunt Putin and Xi now or they will not stop. I have skin in the game as we had a Ukrainian exchange student live with us for 2 years while my kids and she were in HS (2017-2018). She lives in Warsaw and is an attorney, but her parents lived about 15 kls outside of Kiev. Their home was destroyed and they had to flee to live with my friend. Totally heartbreaking. As far as Ukraine being our 51st state, is just uniformed and dumb. We fight for freedom or not. Somewhere down the road, it very well may be us. The Ukrainians and a wonderful and tough people and yes, I have been there to visit the family.
Yeah unless your of age to be drafted IDGAF what you think about war. I'm not going to war over a corrupt country I couldn't have pointed to on a map 3 months ago. No reason to escalate for a country we are not contractually bound to. We are not the world police, and we don't need to send our young to die for Ukraine
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RMF5630 said:

muddybrazos said:

Booray said:

And 40 million more people would be under Putin's boot.

I am having a hard time adjusting to the fact that Russia is supposed to get free reign. Used to be our enemy.
Good point. We have to do everything in our power to bring Pride parades and BLM to Ukraine bc they are now the 51st state.
We have not committed troops and have stayed out like the now Dove-ish GOP wants. I can't stand Biden, but he has not done a bad job on Ukraine. Will I vote for him, no way in hell. But, when someone does something well, they deserve credit.

If any Nation has shown they deserve support it is Ukraine they have laid it on the line and clearly want to survive, unlike other places we did go!

Yeah, we used to work and help those fighting to be free.
Now, it is too much of a bother. Easier to just let Putin and Xi take what they want.


The ghosts of my Hungarian ancestors tell me that Russian expansionism should be resisted, and I am inclined to agree.
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Cobretti said:


What Kind of EV does she drive? She had to stop somewhere to recharge
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Cobretti said:


How much baby formula can she fit in her trunk?
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At todays current gas prices it will cost me $514 round trip to fill up my Yukon XL for my road trip to Orange Beach, AL this summer. At $6 it will cost me $672 round trip. Oh well, it's still cheaper than flying the whole family.
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muddybrazos said:

J.R. said:

muddybrazos said:

Booray said:

And 40 million more people would be under Putin's boot.

I am having a hard time adjusting to the fact that Russia is supposed to get free reign. Used to be our enemy.
Good point. We have to do everything in our power to bring Pride parades and BLM to Ukraine bc they are now the 51st state.
Are you that big of dumb ***** Educate your redneck self. Ukraine, Pride and BLM are not even in the same conversation . Are you really trying to conflate the 3? What is wrong with you?
Ya, I'm a dumb redneck bc our deep state created a color revolution in 2014 to install a nato puppet (Poraschenko) which began a civil war in the Russain regions of Ukraine. Sorry I dont want to get involved in a region that has been basically Russia since the year 1000. We dont have a very good track record of bringing "freedom" to foreign countries in the past 20 years. Ask Iraq, Libya or Syria how great their countries are since we came and left. If we were smart we wouldve made allies with Russia against China but the uniparty regime in DC is not smart. It seems to me and my dumb redneck world view that we enabled this whole war by pushing Nato right up to Putins doorstep and left him really no choice bc he cant be cut off from their Black sea ports.
This really isn't the forum for rational thinking. Either go off halfcocked or hold your piece.
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GrowlTowel said:

muddybrazos said:

J.R. said:

muddybrazos said:

Booray said:

And 40 million more people would be under Putin's boot.

I am having a hard time adjusting to the fact that Russia is supposed to get free reign. Used to be our enemy.
Good point. We have to do everything in our power to bring Pride parades and BLM to Ukraine bc they are now the 51st state.
Are you that big of dumb ***** Educate your redneck self. Ukraine, Pride and BLM are not even in the same conversation . Are you really trying to conflate the 3? What is wrong with you?
Ya, I'm a dumb redneck bc our deep state created a color revolution in 2014 to install a nato puppet (Poraschenko) which began a civil war in the Russain regions of Ukraine. Sorry I dont want to get involved in a region that has been basically Russia since the year 1000. We dont have a very good track record of bringing "freedom" to foreign countries in the past 20 years. Ask Iraq, Libya or Syria how great their countries are since we came and left. If we were smart we wouldve made allies with Russia against China but the uniparty regime in DC is not smart. It seems to me and my dumb redneck world view that we enabled this whole war by pushing Nato right up to Putins doorstep and left him really no choice bc he cant be cut off from their Black sea ports.
This really isn't the forum for rational thinking. Either go off halfcocked or hold your piece.
That is rational thinking, give Putin what he wants. Go figure...
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RMF5630 said:

GrowlTowel said:

muddybrazos said:

J.R. said:

muddybrazos said:

Booray said:

And 40 million more people would be under Putin's boot.

I am having a hard time adjusting to the fact that Russia is supposed to get free reign. Used to be our enemy.
Good point. We have to do everything in our power to bring Pride parades and BLM to Ukraine bc they are now the 51st state.
Are you that big of dumb ***** Educate your redneck self. Ukraine, Pride and BLM are not even in the same conversation . Are you really trying to conflate the 3? What is wrong with you?
Ya, I'm a dumb redneck bc our deep state created a color revolution in 2014 to install a nato puppet (Poraschenko) which began a civil war in the Russain regions of Ukraine. Sorry I dont want to get involved in a region that has been basically Russia since the year 1000. We dont have a very good track record of bringing "freedom" to foreign countries in the past 20 years. Ask Iraq, Libya or Syria how great their countries are since we came and left. If we were smart we wouldve made allies with Russia against China but the uniparty regime in DC is not smart. It seems to me and my dumb redneck world view that we enabled this whole war by pushing Nato right up to Putins doorstep and left him really no choice bc he cant be cut off from their Black sea ports.
This really isn't the forum for rational thinking. Either go off halfcocked or hold your piece.
That is rational thinking, give Putin what he wants. Go figure...
I know you're a boomer military guy but tell us what your plan is? Start another war? That strategy has not work yet except for Raytheon shareholders.
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muddybrazos said:

RMF5630 said:

GrowlTowel said:

muddybrazos said:

J.R. said:

muddybrazos said:

Booray said:

And 40 million more people would be under Putin's boot.

I am having a hard time adjusting to the fact that Russia is supposed to get free reign. Used to be our enemy.
Good point. We have to do everything in our power to bring Pride parades and BLM to Ukraine bc they are now the 51st state.
Are you that big of dumb ***** Educate your redneck self. Ukraine, Pride and BLM are not even in the same conversation . Are you really trying to conflate the 3? What is wrong with you?
Ya, I'm a dumb redneck bc our deep state created a color revolution in 2014 to install a nato puppet (Poraschenko) which began a civil war in the Russain regions of Ukraine. Sorry I dont want to get involved in a region that has been basically Russia since the year 1000. We dont have a very good track record of bringing "freedom" to foreign countries in the past 20 years. Ask Iraq, Libya or Syria how great their countries are since we came and left. If we were smart we wouldve made allies with Russia against China but the uniparty regime in DC is not smart. It seems to me and my dumb redneck world view that we enabled this whole war by pushing Nato right up to Putins doorstep and left him really no choice bc he cant be cut off from their Black sea ports.
This really isn't the forum for rational thinking. Either go off halfcocked or hold your piece.
That is rational thinking, give Putin what he wants. Go figure...
I know you're a boomer military guy but tell us what your plan is? Start another war? That strategy has not work yet except for Raytheon shareholders.
The US has not started anything, nor has Ukraine for that matter. This is 100% on Putin, he invaded a sovereign nation period. A nation that does not want to be annexed, has its own culture and economy. The US has done nothing but support Ukraine, no troops, no air action and no direct action versus Russia. So how is this starting a war? Russia already started one! Actually in 2014, but Obama just curled up and went away.

I give Biden credit for standing up to Putin. If Russia doesn't want a war, pull their troops back to Russian territory. All under Russia's power what occurs going forward.

You mellenial/Gen Xers seem to think that sovereignty means nothing. This is not a humanitarian effort to free a people, no it is a land grab. The real question for you appeasement, give Putin what he wants crowd is why? When is history has giving into an act of aggression worked to instill peace? Every time, they go for more. Why should we and NATO not support Ukraine? My case is pretty solid.

What is yours besides the rhetoric of avoiding a war that is already occurring or he has nukes (8 other nations have nukes, give them what they want too?).
 
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