Well, if you're being honest you know its a vastly different situation between the two. Biden has everyone in the media covering for him and mostly has the support of his own party. Trump really had no party in 2016. The media was 100% against him and Trump being a novice politician made the mistake of trusting Reince Preibus to staff his admin. That was a huge mistake in hindsight bc he was staffed with a bunch of former bush admin that were also trying to destroy him by leaking everything to the press. This time around if he doesnt get the job done it will be on him bc he should know who he can trust.bear2be2 said:Those sound an awful lot like excuses. Not unlike the excuses being made by some Democrats for Biden.muddybrazos said:You made fun of Trump for accomplishing nothing when he had rinos like Mccain and Paul Ryan trying to destroy anything he did? He also had the fraudulent Russia collusion thing trying to take him out. The guy had guns trained on him from every direction and still managed to survive. I'm honestly surprised they didnt take him out and im sure they had that option on the table.bear2be2 said:He's had a majority in both houses of congress the last two years.J.B.Katz said:Joe Biden is a consensus builder.bear2be2 said:Genuinely trying to do something you've proven incapable of doing isn't really a virtue. And the presidency is a results-driven, pass/fail job. Joe Biden has never in his overlong political career been a leader, and he's been a total failure in that capacity as president. It's OK to admit that. In fact, it's vital if the Democrats hope to move in a more positive direction in the future.J.B.Katz said:You'll get no argument from me.bear2be2 said:
The Democrats may be less bad than the Republicans right now, but they present no great alternative for anyone who is not already linked to that party by tribal affiliation.
Republicans are dominated by one very bad personality who has forced unity, but to a bad purpose: His own personal power.
Democrats lack coherent, unified leadership.
I don't blame that on Biden. He's not a dynamo, but I have less contempt for Biden than I do on some old-school Senate and Congressional leaders who aren't grappling with the new reality of the clear and present danger to American democracy Judge Luttig identified.
Biden is genuinely trying to lead at a time when that's hard not only b/c Republicans have tried to delegitimize his presidency (a strategy they employed very successfully with Obama, who was too cerebral and cool and calm and collected to fight fire with fire and counter the obstruction and blatant racism he and his family dealt with effectively).
I envision Biden as the overly patient parent of a bunch of truculent toddlers who is trying to walk forward while they're clinging to his legs kicking and screaming. The Senate won't pass measures to combat inflation / price gouging / other economic ills cuz that might make Biden look good & they want him to look worse than they do at the mid-terms. The balancing act of helping Ukraine is a hard one, since we only have Europe working with us. https://giphy.com/gifs/chordoverstreet-chord-overstreet-26FLgGTPUDH6UGAbm
Infrastructure would seem a no-brainer, but Republicans wouldn't vote for it b/c it would make Biden look good. Trump's attempt at an infrastructure initiative was half-hearted and he blew it up himself.
Obstruction has been McConnell's strategy since Obama was elected. At some point, people get tired of angry theater, gay-bashing, dog-whistle racism and reducing women to the status of "vessels" and they want to see some progress on bridges that don't collapse and parks that reflect thousands of years of natural heritage washing away in a couple of days and want to see some progress on basic survival issues. What's the Republican plan for that? More laws stopping confused kids from using the wrong bathroom?
That's how he leads.
You can't build consensus when the other party refuses flatly to work with you, and denies, even though they know better, that you even won the election.
The miracle is that he's accomplished as much as he has given the fact that he's had to do it in dealing with a Congress where about a third of the members claim to believe the Big Lie and more than that refuse to act like Biden is president b/c they care more about winning their next election and not getting primaried by Trump than they do about dealing with a global pandemic, climate change, a worldwide economy in free-fall, Putin invading Ukraine and committing war crimes, Xi shutting down China if there's a hint of COVID (I'm strongly in favor of masks and vax, but China's response to COVID is bizarre), Yellowstone washing away, Lake Mead evaporating, etc etc.
These guys are behaving like there's no tomorrow. I hope the 1-6 commission succeeds in preventing Trump from running for office and then we'll see if Republicans are going to continue to cater to goons and loons.
We rightly made fun of Trump when he accomplished next to nothing legislatively with majorities in both houses of congress. We can't make excuses for Biden when the same thing happens.
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LOL!!! Dementia Joe Brandon is so catastrophically awful, even mind numbed brainwashed comrades like Katz and Jordan can't make up a good lie about ANYTHING the dementia man has accomplished, let alone five things. This imposed POTUS is a complete and utter disaster - everything he touches or even gets near turns to crap. Never thought in my lifetime I'd actually experience someone in the White House (legit or not) that would manage to underperform Jimmy Carter - and yet here we are!Mothra said:If you don't want to take me up on my challenge, I certainly understand. It would be difficult coming up with a few of his accomplishments, much less ten. But I tell you what, if it's too difficult for you to come up with 10 accomplishment, let's cut it in half. Can you name his 5 accomplishments that Americans should be "amazed" about?J.B.Katz said:First, what's your excuse for voting for Trump?Mothra said:Excuses are like *******s. Everyone has one, and they all stink.J.B.Katz said:Joe Biden is a consensus builder.bear2be2 said:Genuinely trying to do something you've proven incapable of doing isn't really a virtue. And the presidency is a results-driven, pass/fail job. Joe Biden has never in his overlong political career been a leader, and he's been a total failure in that capacity as president. It's OK to admit that. In fact, it's vital if the Democrats hope to move in a more positive direction in the future.J.B.Katz said:You'll get no argument from me.bear2be2 said:
The Democrats may be less bad than the Republicans right now, but they present no great alternative for anyone who is not already linked to that party by tribal affiliation.
Republicans are dominated by one very bad personality who has forced unity, but to a bad purpose: His own personal power.
Democrats lack coherent, unified leadership.
I don't blame that on Biden. He's not a dynamo, but I have less contempt for Biden than I do on some old-school Senate and Congressional leaders who aren't grappling with the new reality of the clear and present danger to American democracy Judge Luttig identified.
Biden is genuinely trying to lead at a time when that's hard not only b/c Republicans have tried to delegitimize his presidency (a strategy they employed very successfully with Obama, who was too cerebral and cool and calm and collected to fight fire with fire and counter the obstruction and blatant racism he and his family dealt with effectively).
I envision Biden as the overly patient parent of a bunch of truculent toddlers who is trying to walk forward while they're clinging to his legs kicking and screaming. The Senate won't pass measures to combat inflation / price gouging / other economic ills cuz that might make Biden look good & they want him to look worse than they do at the mid-terms. The balancing act of helping Ukraine is a hard one, since we only have Europe working with us. https://giphy.com/gifs/chordoverstreet-chord-overstreet-26FLgGTPUDH6UGAbm
Infrastructure would seem a no-brainer, but Republicans wouldn't vote for it b/c it would make Biden look good. Trump's attempt at an infrastructure initiative was half-hearted and he blew it up himself.
Obstruction has been McConnell's strategy since Obama was elected. At some point, people get tired of angry theater, gay-bashing, dog-whistle racism and reducing women to the status of "vessels" and they want to see some progress on bridges that don't collapse and parks that reflect thousands of years of natural heritage washing away in a couple of days and want to see some progress on basic survival issues. What's the Republican plan for that? More laws stopping confused kids from using the wrong bathroom?
That's how he leads.
You can't build consensus when the other party refuses flatly to work with you, and denies, even though they know better, that you even won the election.
The miracle is that he's accomplished as much as he has given the fact that he's had to do it in dealing with a Congress where about a third of the members claim to believe the Big Lie and more than that refuse to act like Biden is president b/c they care more about winning their next election and not getting primaried by Trump than they do about dealing with a global pandemic, climate change, a worldwide economy in free-fall, Putin invading Ukraine and committing war crimes, Xi shutting down China if there's a hint of COVID (I'm strongly in favor of masks and vax, but China's response to COVID is bizarre), Yellowstone washing away, Lake Mead evaporating, etc etc.
These guys are behaving like there's no tomorrow. I hope the 1-6 commission succeeds in preventing Trump from running for office and then we'll see if Republicans are going to continue to cater to goons and loons.
Please list Biden's top 10 accomplishments since January 2021. I will hang up and listen to what I should be "amazed" he has accomplished during that period.
Second, it's clear that you don't listen to the still small voice, as that requires an open heart and an open mind, neither of which you possess. So why would I ever assume you'd listen to me?
Oh wait.......maybe he has been a "unifier" of sorts. Despite having the MSM, Big Tech, Hollywood, the Never Trumper TDS'ers, and Academia all covering and covering up for him and his corrupt crime syndicate family, he's still managed to "unify" the vast majority of the country that he's the worst POTUS (legit or imposed) of at least the modern era and possibly for all time.
boognish_bear said:
"We reject the certified results of the 2020 Presidential election, and we hold that acting President Joseph Robinette Biden Jr. was not legitimately elected by the people of the United States."Texas GOP formally adopts platform that rejects legitimacy of Biden win. https://t.co/emtJ7y6GTG
— David Folkenflik (@davidfolkenflik) June 19, 2022
One of the 3 most accurate polling firms in the last 3 election cycles consistently shows a majority of the public believes fraud affected the outcome of the 2020 elections, so the statement by RPT is hardly outside of mainstream political thought, no matter how discomforting hearing such might be to the wizards of smart.
Rich Baris which is one of the most accurate pollsters agrees with them(if it isnt Rich you are refering to..)whiterock said:boognish_bear said:
"We reject the certified results of the 2020 Presidential election, and we hold that acting President Joseph Robinette Biden Jr. was not legitimately elected by the people of the United States."Texas GOP formally adopts platform that rejects legitimacy of Biden win. https://t.co/emtJ7y6GTG
— David Folkenflik (@davidfolkenflik) June 19, 2022
One of the 3 most accurate polling firms in the last 3 election cycles consistently shows a majority of the public believes fraud affected the outcome of the 2020 elections, so the statement by RPT is hardly outside of mainstream political thought, no matter how discomforting hearing such might be to the wizards of smart.
Robert at Tragalfar has been pretty good too but I dont know if he has asked that question..
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Link?whiterock said:boognish_bear said:
"We reject the certified results of the 2020 Presidential election, and we hold that acting President Joseph Robinette Biden Jr. was not legitimately elected by the people of the United States."Texas GOP formally adopts platform that rejects legitimacy of Biden win. https://t.co/emtJ7y6GTG
— David Folkenflik (@davidfolkenflik) June 19, 2022
One of the 3 most accurate polling firms in the last 3 election cycles consistently shows a majority of the public believes fraud affected the outcome of the 2020 elections, so the statement by RPT is hardly outside of mainstream political thought, no matter how discomforting hearing such might be to the wizards of smart.
C. Jordan said:Complete.boognish_bear said:
"We reject the certified results of the 2020 Presidential election, and we hold that acting President Joseph Robinette Biden Jr. was not legitimately elected by the people of the United States."Texas GOP formally adopts platform that rejects legitimacy of Biden win. https://t.co/emtJ7y6GTG
— David Folkenflik (@davidfolkenflik) June 19, 2022
Insanity.
Lost their grip on reality.
Total transformation into a Trump cult.
I'm not suggesting it. I'm stating it. There are perverts attracted to young children. You want to claim that's science too?bear2be2 said:Are you suggesting same-sex attraction is anti-science? You should take a biology course sometime. That's a naturally occurring phenomena in all sorts of species.Rawhide said:Speaking of science, how's the whole guy/girl being a girl/guy thing going? You know, men can get pregnant. And the whole gay thing.... not following the science.C. Jordan said:Yeah. It's really delusional to, like, follow medical science and stuff.Rawhide said:This hilarious. I said the exact same thing about BLM and the never Trump cult. Oh and the mask and vaccine cult tooC. Jordan said:Complete.boognish_bear said:
"We reject the certified results of the 2020 Presidential election, and we hold that acting President Joseph Robinette Biden Jr. was not legitimately elected by the people of the United States."Texas GOP formally adopts platform that rejects legitimacy of Biden win. https://t.co/emtJ7y6GTG
— David Folkenflik (@davidfolkenflik) June 19, 2022
Insanity.
Lost their grip on reality.
Total transformation into a Trump cult.
Someone born as a male who decides that they are a female... science too?
Well, you know, you may be right... mental illness is considered a science
Still six years behind the 2016 Dems ... always playing catch-up and copycat the GOP.
I cited Rasmussen, who polls the question at least once per month. The "yes" answer has grown by about 10 percentage points since 6Jan21. All you have to do is follow them on Twitter. or you could watch for Trafalgar (Robert Kahaly), or Insider Advantage (Matt Towrey) polls. Those are your three most accurate pollsters the last 2 election cycles. They were within 2pts or less of final outcome of all the swing state results in 2020.Osodecentx said:Link?whiterock said:boognish_bear said:
"We reject the certified results of the 2020 Presidential election, and we hold that acting President Joseph Robinette Biden Jr. was not legitimately elected by the people of the United States."Texas GOP formally adopts platform that rejects legitimacy of Biden win. https://t.co/emtJ7y6GTG
— David Folkenflik (@davidfolkenflik) June 19, 2022
One of the 3 most accurate polling firms in the last 3 election cycles consistently shows a majority of the public believes fraud affected the outcome of the 2020 elections, so the statement by RPT is hardly outside of mainstream political thought, no matter how discomforting hearing such might be to the wizards of smart.
4th cites Peoples Pundit (Rich Baris). I follow them on Twitter but haven't noticed them asking that particular question.
Most of the other firms just don't ask the question or have a partisan lean. Yes, I know, you will hear 538 and alphabet media cite the three I mentioned as "Republican outlier polls" (stealing Sam's "debunked" thunder here) but the results are the results and those three were the most accurate. And some polling firms are just flat out partisan players themselves. I believe it was Monmouth that had Biden up by 17 in Wisconsin late in the game in 2020. When you see numbers like that, it begs questions about an "expectation game" going on (for any of several reasons).
A good one to follow if you want to check Democrat firms would be Zogby. Honest firm.
Rawhide said:Speaking of science, how's the whole guy/girl being a girl/guy thing going? You know, men can get pregnant. And the whole gay thing.... not following the science.C. Jordan said:Yeah. It's really delusional to, like, follow medical science and stuff.Rawhide said:This hilarious. I said the exact same thing about BLM and the never Trump cult. Oh and the mask and vaccine cult tooC. Jordan said:Complete.boognish_bear said:
"We reject the certified results of the 2020 Presidential election, and we hold that acting President Joseph Robinette Biden Jr. was not legitimately elected by the people of the United States."Texas GOP formally adopts platform that rejects legitimacy of Biden win. https://t.co/emtJ7y6GTG
— David Folkenflik (@davidfolkenflik) June 19, 2022
Insanity.
Lost their grip on reality.
Total transformation into a Trump cult.
C. Jordan said:Rawhide said:Speaking of science, how's the whole guy/girl being a girl/guy thing going? You know, men can get pregnant. And the whole gay thing.... not following the science.C. Jordan said:Yeah. It's really delusional to, like, follow medical science and stuff.Rawhide said:This hilarious. I said the exact same thing about BLM and the never Trump cult. Oh and the mask and vaccine cult tooC. Jordan said:Complete.boognish_bear said:
"We reject the certified results of the 2020 Presidential election, and we hold that acting President Joseph Robinette Biden Jr. was not legitimately elected by the people of the United States."Texas GOP formally adopts platform that rejects legitimacy of Biden win. https://t.co/emtJ7y6GTG
— David Folkenflik (@davidfolkenflik) June 19, 2022
Insanity.
Lost their grip on reality.
Total transformation into a Trump cult.
Let me help you out. He's referencing the Democrat and liberal tendency to ignore science when it comes to certain issues, such as transgenderism, while at the same time denigrating conservatives for being science deniers. We've heard for years that the different sexes, despite their biological differences, are interchangeable and that sex and gender are generally fungible, Despite the clear weight of scientific evidence saying just the contrary. In fact, there is no evidence that supports that point.
I suspect that's what he's referring to. Did you really not realize this? If so, I think the same meme could be asked of you.
Oh and by the way, I never got an answer to my question. If Trump is elected, can we put you on record as saying democracy will be destroyed? Inquiring minds want to know.
Yeah, what Mothra saidMothra said:C. Jordan said:Rawhide said:Speaking of science, how's the whole guy/girl being a girl/guy thing going? You know, men can get pregnant. And the whole gay thing.... not following the science.C. Jordan said:Yeah. It's really delusional to, like, follow medical science and stuff.Rawhide said:This hilarious. I said the exact same thing about BLM and the never Trump cult. Oh and the mask and vaccine cult tooC. Jordan said:Complete.boognish_bear said:
"We reject the certified results of the 2020 Presidential election, and we hold that acting President Joseph Robinette Biden Jr. was not legitimately elected by the people of the United States."Texas GOP formally adopts platform that rejects legitimacy of Biden win. https://t.co/emtJ7y6GTG
— David Folkenflik (@davidfolkenflik) June 19, 2022
Insanity.
Lost their grip on reality.
Total transformation into a Trump cult.
Let me help you out. He's referencing the Democrat and liberal tendency to ignore science when it comes to certain issues, such as transgenderism, while at the same time denigrating conservatives for being science deniers. We've heard for years that the different sexes, despite their biological differences, are interchangeable and that sex and gender are generally fungible, Despite the clear weight of scientific evidence saying just the contrary. In fact, there is no evidence that supports that point.
I suspect that's what he's referring to. Did you really not realize this? If so, I think the same meme could be asked of you.
whiterock said:boognish_bear said:
"We reject the certified results of the 2020 Presidential election, and we hold that acting President Joseph Robinette Biden Jr. was not legitimately elected by the people of the United States."Texas GOP formally adopts platform that rejects legitimacy of Biden win. https://t.co/emtJ7y6GTG
— David Folkenflik (@davidfolkenflik) June 19, 2022
One of the 3 most accurate polling firms in the last 3 election cycles consistently shows a majority of the public believes fraud affected the outcome of the 2020 elections, so the statement by RPT is hardly outside of mainstream political thought, no matter how discomforting hearing such might be to the wizards of smart.
In other words: Most of the GOP is delusional on this issue, so it is ok to be delusional on this issue.
you don't get to more than 50% in a poll without some of the Democrats and independents that are polled being "crazy" tooBooray said:whiterock said:boognish_bear said:
"We reject the certified results of the 2020 Presidential election, and we hold that acting President Joseph Robinette Biden Jr. was not legitimately elected by the people of the United States."Texas GOP formally adopts platform that rejects legitimacy of Biden win. https://t.co/emtJ7y6GTG
— David Folkenflik (@davidfolkenflik) June 19, 2022
One of the 3 most accurate polling firms in the last 3 election cycles consistently shows a majority of the public believes fraud affected the outcome of the 2020 elections, so the statement by RPT is hardly outside of mainstream political thought, no matter how discomforting hearing such might be to the wizards of smart.
In other words: Most of the GOP is delusional on this issue, so it is ok to be delusional on this issue.
If 100% of the GOP in a particular poll said that they believed that, which is never going to happen, you would still only be in the mid-30 percentile at best.
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So do you have a link or not?whiterock said:I cited Rasmussen, who polls the question at least once per month. The "yes" answer has grown by about 10 percentage points since 6Jan21. All you have to do is follow them on Twitter. or you could watch for Trafalgar (Robert Kahaly), or Insider Advantage (Matt Towrey) polls. Those are your three most accurate pollsters the last 2 election cycles. They were within 2pts or less of final outcome of all the swing state results in 2020.Osodecentx said:Link?whiterock said:boognish_bear said:
"We reject the certified results of the 2020 Presidential election, and we hold that acting President Joseph Robinette Biden Jr. was not legitimately elected by the people of the United States."Texas GOP formally adopts platform that rejects legitimacy of Biden win. https://t.co/emtJ7y6GTG
— David Folkenflik (@davidfolkenflik) June 19, 2022
One of the 3 most accurate polling firms in the last 3 election cycles consistently shows a majority of the public believes fraud affected the outcome of the 2020 elections, so the statement by RPT is hardly outside of mainstream political thought, no matter how discomforting hearing such might be to the wizards of smart.
4th cites Peoples Pundit (Rich Baris). I follow them on Twitter but haven't noticed them asking that particular question.
Most of the other firms just don't ask the question or have a partisan lean. Yes, I know, you will hear 538 and alphabet media cite the three I mentioned as "Republican outlier polls" (stealing Sam's "debunked" thunder here) but the results are the results and those three were the most accurate. And some polling firms are just flat out partisan players themselves. I believe it was Monmouth that had Biden up by 17 in Wisconsin late in the game in 2020. When you see numbers like that, it begs questions about an "expectation game" going on (for any of several reasons).
A good one to follow if you want to check Democrat firms would be Zogby. Honest firm.
I've posted links & graphics on that here at least a half dozen times over the year. You could follow them, too, if not to see it for yourself then be better prepared for the immediate "debunked" non-debunk response. They poll that question, "affected the outcome," about once per month. And for the last several months it's been in the high 50's. Or you can stick your head in the sand and pretend it doesn't exist because I won't do your homework for you for the 7th or 8th time. But it's there, openly available if you want to look for yourself.Sam Lowry said:So do you have a link or not?whiterock said:I cited Rasmussen, who polls the question at least once per month. The "yes" answer has grown by about 10 percentage points since 6Jan21. All you have to do is follow them on Twitter. or you could watch for Trafalgar (Robert Kahaly), or Insider Advantage (Matt Towrey) polls. Those are your three most accurate pollsters the last 2 election cycles. They were within 2pts or less of final outcome of all the swing state results in 2020.Osodecentx said:Link?whiterock said:boognish_bear said:
"We reject the certified results of the 2020 Presidential election, and we hold that acting President Joseph Robinette Biden Jr. was not legitimately elected by the people of the United States."Texas GOP formally adopts platform that rejects legitimacy of Biden win. https://t.co/emtJ7y6GTG
— David Folkenflik (@davidfolkenflik) June 19, 2022
One of the 3 most accurate polling firms in the last 3 election cycles consistently shows a majority of the public believes fraud affected the outcome of the 2020 elections, so the statement by RPT is hardly outside of mainstream political thought, no matter how discomforting hearing such might be to the wizards of smart.
4th cites Peoples Pundit (Rich Baris). I follow them on Twitter but haven't noticed them asking that particular question.
Most of the other firms just don't ask the question or have a partisan lean. Yes, I know, you will hear 538 and alphabet media cite the three I mentioned as "Republican outlier polls" (stealing Sam's "debunked" thunder here) but the results are the results and those three were the most accurate. And some polling firms are just flat out partisan players themselves. I believe it was Monmouth that had Biden up by 17 in Wisconsin late in the game in 2020. When you see numbers like that, it begs questions about an "expectation game" going on (for any of several reasons).
A good one to follow if you want to check Democrat firms would be Zogby. Honest firm.
Your choice.
actually, most of the country is delusional on the question, if we are to borrow Booray's construction.4th and Inches said:you don't get to more than 50% in a poll without some of the Democrats and independents that are polled being "crazy" tooBooray said:whiterock said:boognish_bear said:
"We reject the certified results of the 2020 Presidential election, and we hold that acting President Joseph Robinette Biden Jr. was not legitimately elected by the people of the United States."Texas GOP formally adopts platform that rejects legitimacy of Biden win. https://t.co/emtJ7y6GTG
— David Folkenflik (@davidfolkenflik) June 19, 2022
One of the 3 most accurate polling firms in the last 3 election cycles consistently shows a majority of the public believes fraud affected the outcome of the 2020 elections, so the statement by RPT is hardly outside of mainstream political thought, no matter how discomforting hearing such might be to the wizards of smart.
In other words: Most of the GOP is delusional on this issue, so it is ok to be delusional on this issue.
If 100% of the GOP in a particular poll said that they believed that, which is never going to happen, you would still only be in the mid-30 percentile at best.
And also apparently the Texas GOP....C. Jordan said:Johnny Bear said:
I seem to recall that back when then Texas candidate for Governor, Clayton Williams, posed the infamous question about when rape is inevitable, why not just lay back and enjoy it(?) - he got excoriated, as he should have. Seems to me that the Texas GOP, after taking into account the evidence, including the multiple statistical anomalies related to the 2020 election that have virtually a 0% chance of legitimately happening, decided to take a stand and in affect NOT take good 'ole Clayton's advice - especially when you additionally consider what has happened to the country and the world in the year and a half since dementia Joe was imposed on all of us.
And for this many of you are characterizing them as "an embarrassment" and calling them "stupid", or "fringe wackos", etc. Guess you guys agree with good 'ole Clayton.
81 million votes - YOU BET!!
So all you have on your side are Trump himself and nut jobs like Rudy and Sidney.
I really like Rich because they crowd source funding and let the populous chose the polling topics. They really dig in because they arent on the same time constraints as the big polling guys who are paid by people like wapo or ABC/NBC etc..whiterock said:I cited Rasmussen, who polls the question at least once per month. The "yes" answer has grown by about 10 percentage points since 6Jan21. All you have to do is follow them on Twitter. or you could watch for Trafalgar (Robert Kahaly), or Insider Advantage (Matt Towrey) polls. Those are your three most accurate pollsters the last 2 election cycles. They were within 2pts or less of final outcome of all the swing state results in 2020.Osodecentx said:Link?whiterock said:boognish_bear said:
"We reject the certified results of the 2020 Presidential election, and we hold that acting President Joseph Robinette Biden Jr. was not legitimately elected by the people of the United States."Texas GOP formally adopts platform that rejects legitimacy of Biden win. https://t.co/emtJ7y6GTG
— David Folkenflik (@davidfolkenflik) June 19, 2022
One of the 3 most accurate polling firms in the last 3 election cycles consistently shows a majority of the public believes fraud affected the outcome of the 2020 elections, so the statement by RPT is hardly outside of mainstream political thought, no matter how discomforting hearing such might be to the wizards of smart.
4th cites Peoples Pundit (Rich Baris). I follow them on Twitter but haven't noticed them asking that particular question.
Most of the other firms just don't ask the question or have a partisan lean. Yes, I know, you will hear 538 and alphabet media cite the three I mentioned as "Republican outlier polls" (stealing Sam's "debunked" thunder here) but the results are the results and those three were the most accurate. And some polling firms are just flat out partisan players themselves. I believe it was Monmouth that had Biden up by 17 in Wisconsin late in the game in 2020. When you see numbers like that, it begs questions about an "expectation game" going on (for any of several reasons).
A good one to follow if you want to check Democrat firms would be Zogby. Honest firm.
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Thanks, I don't doTwitter but I'll try to look at a couple of thosewhiterock said:I cited Rasmussen, who polls the question at least once per month. The "yes" answer has grown by about 10 percentage points since 6Jan21. All you have to do is follow them on Twitter. or you could watch for Trafalgar (Robert Kahaly), or Insider Advantage (Matt Towrey) polls. Those are your three most accurate pollsters the last 2 election cycles. They were within 2pts or less of final outcome of all the swing state results in 2020.Osodecentx said:Link?whiterock said:boognish_bear said:
"We reject the certified results of the 2020 Presidential election, and we hold that acting President Joseph Robinette Biden Jr. was not legitimately elected by the people of the United States."Texas GOP formally adopts platform that rejects legitimacy of Biden win. https://t.co/emtJ7y6GTG
— David Folkenflik (@davidfolkenflik) June 19, 2022
One of the 3 most accurate polling firms in the last 3 election cycles consistently shows a majority of the public believes fraud affected the outcome of the 2020 elections, so the statement by RPT is hardly outside of mainstream political thought, no matter how discomforting hearing such might be to the wizards of smart.
4th cites Peoples Pundit (Rich Baris). I follow them on Twitter but haven't noticed them asking that particular question.
Most of the other firms just don't ask the question or have a partisan lean. Yes, I know, you will hear 538 and alphabet media cite the three I mentioned as "Republican outlier polls" (stealing Sam's "debunked" thunder here) but the results are the results and those three were the most accurate. And some polling firms are just flat out partisan players themselves. I believe it was Monmouth that had Biden up by 17 in Wisconsin late in the game in 2020. When you see numbers like that, it begs questions about an "expectation game" going on (for any of several reasons).
A good one to follow if you want to check Democrat firms would be Zogby. Honest firm.
Russian Senator Olga Kovitidi says that Texas will have a vote on secession in 2023 and then could recognize the people's republics. Russian disinformation networks have stoked support for Texas separatism for years, much like Scottish and Catalan nationalism. pic.twitter.com/6zsia8hGpy
— Samuel Ramani (@SamRamani2) June 30, 2022
hello? Industry of truth yes I'd like to report some Russian misinformation being spreadHuMcK said:Russian Senator Olga Kovitidi says that Texas will have a vote on secession in 2023 and then could recognize the people's republics. Russian disinformation networks have stoked support for Texas separatism for years, much like Scottish and Catalan nationalism. pic.twitter.com/6zsia8hGpy
— Samuel Ramani (@SamRamani2) June 30, 2022
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Russia Russia Russia!HuMcK said:Russian Senator Olga Kovitidi says that Texas will have a vote on secession in 2023 and then could recognize the people's republics. Russian disinformation networks have stoked support for Texas separatism for years, much like Scottish and Catalan nationalism. pic.twitter.com/6zsia8hGpy
— Samuel Ramani (@SamRamani2) June 30, 2022
I thought that 1980s called and wanted their foreign policy back
Rawhide said:Russia Russia Russia!HuMcK said:Russian Senator Olga Kovitidi says that Texas will have a vote on secession in 2023 and then could recognize the people's republics. Russian disinformation networks have stoked support for Texas separatism for years, much like Scottish and Catalan nationalism. pic.twitter.com/6zsia8hGpy
— Samuel Ramani (@SamRamani2) June 30, 2022
I thought that 1980s called and wanted their foreign policy back
They wouldn't have been nearly the problem they are today if y'all hadn't gotten in bed with them.
If Hillary can dream it, her supporters can believe it.HuMcK said:Rawhide said:Russia Russia Russia!HuMcK said:Russian Senator Olga Kovitidi says that Texas will have a vote on secession in 2023 and then could recognize the people's republics. Russian disinformation networks have stoked support for Texas separatism for years, much like Scottish and Catalan nationalism. pic.twitter.com/6zsia8hGpy
— Samuel Ramani (@SamRamani2) June 30, 2022
I thought that 1980s called and wanted their foreign policy back
They wouldn't have been nearly the problem they are today if y'all hadn't gotten in bed with them.
Last time I checked, Reagan was the one to successfully win the cold war and clinton was the one to get $500,000 in speaking fees and millions of dollars into their clinton foundation money launderying scheme. It's funny now all those foreign donations dried up when hillary lostHuMcK said:Rawhide said:Russia Russia Russia!HuMcK said:Russian Senator Olga Kovitidi says that Texas will have a vote on secession in 2023 and then could recognize the people's republics. Russian disinformation networks have stoked support for Texas separatism for years, much like Scottish and Catalan nationalism. pic.twitter.com/6zsia8hGpy
— Samuel Ramani (@SamRamani2) June 30, 2022
I thought that 1980s called and wanted their foreign policy back
They wouldn't have been nearly the problem they are today if y'all hadn't gotten in bed with them.
HuMcK said:Russian Senator Olga Kovitidi says that Texas will have a vote on secession in 2023 and then could recognize the people's republics. Russian disinformation networks have stoked support for Texas separatism for years, much like Scottish and Catalan nationalism. pic.twitter.com/6zsia8hGpy
— Samuel Ramani (@SamRamani2) June 30, 2022
Is there any particular reason why we should care about what Russian Senator Olga Kovitidi says? I certainly can't think of one.
well done4th and Inches said:hello? Industry of truth yes I'd like to report some Russian misinformation being spreadHuMcK said:Russian Senator Olga Kovitidi says that Texas will have a vote on secession in 2023 and then could recognize the people's republics. Russian disinformation networks have stoked support for Texas separatism for years, much like Scottish and Catalan nationalism. pic.twitter.com/6zsia8hGpy
— Samuel Ramani (@SamRamani2) June 30, 2022
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President Obama: "On all these issues, but particularly missile defense, this, this can be solved but it's important for him to give me space."HuMcK said:Rawhide said:Russia Russia Russia!HuMcK said:Russian Senator Olga Kovitidi says that Texas will have a vote on secession in 2023 and then could recognize the people's republics. Russian disinformation networks have stoked support for Texas separatism for years, much like Scottish and Catalan nationalism. pic.twitter.com/6zsia8hGpy
— Samuel Ramani (@SamRamani2) June 30, 2022
I thought that 1980s called and wanted their foreign policy back
They wouldn't have been nearly the problem they are today if y'all hadn't gotten in bed with them.
President Medvedev: "Yeah, I understand. I understand your message about space. Space for you…"
President Obama: "This is my last election. After my election I have more flexibility."
President Medvedev: "I understand. I will transmit this information to Vladimir, and I stand with you."
Our vibrations were getting nasty. But why? I was puzzled, frustrated... Had we deteriorated to the level of dumb beasts?