Texas GOP adopts platform rejecting legitimacy of Biden win

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Wrecks Quan Dough
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C. Jordan said:

Amal Shuq-Up said:

C. Jordan said:

Johnny Bear said:

I seem to recall that back when then Texas candidate for Governor, Clayton Williams, posed the infamous question about when rape is inevitable, why not just lay back and enjoy it(?) - he got excoriated, as he should have. Seems to me that the Texas GOP, after taking into account the evidence, including the multiple statistical anomalies related to the 2020 election that have virtually a 0% chance of legitimately happening, decided to take a stand and in affect NOT take good 'ole Clayton's advice - especially when you additionally consider what has happened to the country and the world in the year and a half since dementia Joe was imposed on all of us.

And for this many of you are characterizing them as "an embarrassment" and calling them "stupid", or "fringe wackos", etc. Guess you guys agree with good 'ole Clayton.

81 million votes - YOU BET!!


Clayton Williams had many faults, but at least he respected democracy, which today's GOP doesn't.




Dear Molly Ivins Jinx,

We know the only Republicans you like are the ones who lose their races.
Congrats Jinx.

He compared you to Molly Ivins. That's a high compliment in my book!
Of course, it is, Jinxy. I am sure bitter Democrats everywhere take it as a compliment.

And don't assume my gender.
C. Jordan
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J.B.Katz said:

C. Jordan said:




So which of the propositions do you find most believable:

1. State courts, federal courts, SCOTUS, (some of which included Trump appointees), plus Trump's own FBI, CIA, DOJ, and DHS, plus Trump's own family (namely Jared and Ivanka), plus Mitch McConnell, all, all conspired to sent the election to Biden

or

2. DJT, who declared fraud in every election he's ever lost and who can't abide being a loser, lost the election fair and square and has managed to dupe people into believing he won.

Seems like a no-brainer to me.

It's honestly no suprise to me that the same people who accept or even like and want to follow a man who is a bombastic leader in the pulpit, even if in small small corner of their minds that they try hard to squelch any questions about how a Minister of the Gospel travels on private jets and lives in a mansion while they shop at Walmart and deny those unsavory rumors of a mistress or a predeliction for underaged girls, fell hook line and sinker for Donald Trump and his loud, self-serving style of leadership.

If your religious leader is an authoritarian hypocrite who uses the authority of God to achieve personal wealth and whose control over the true believers in his orbit would make a thinking person with a functioning conscience uneasy, a political leader who exhibits similar qualities, including lots of salacious theater, not to mention vicious insults aimed at people you yourself hate, may seem like an answer to prayer.

The silence from Mitch McConnell is deafening.
There's definitely a link there.

Though I book I recently read showed from polling that though many of Trump's followers are Christian Nationalist Conservative Evangelicals, the Conservative Evangelicals most likely to follow Trump are those who don't go to church.

Conservative Evangelicals who attend church the most are less likely to support Trump than other evangelicals.

I think you would enjoy "Taking America Back for God" by Whitehead and Perry.
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bear2be2 said:

J.B.Katz said:

bear2be2 said:




The Democrats may be less bad than the Republicans right now, but they present no great alternative for anyone who is not already linked to that party by tribal affiliation.
You'll get no argument from me.

Republicans are dominated by one very bad personality who has forced unity, but to a bad purpose: His own personal power.

Democrats lack coherent, unified leadership.

I don't blame that on Biden. He's not a dynamo, but I have less contempt for Biden than I do on some old-school Senate and Congressional leaders who aren't grappling with the new reality of the clear and present danger to American democracy Judge Luttig identified.

Biden is genuinely trying to lead at a time when that's hard not only b/c Republicans have tried to delegitimize his presidency (a strategy they employed very successfully with Obama, who was too cerebral and cool and calm and collected to fight fire with fire and counter the obstruction and blatant racism he and his family dealt with effectively).

I envision Biden as the overly patient parent of a bunch of truculent toddlers who is trying to walk forward while they're clinging to his legs kicking and screaming. The Senate won't pass measures to combat inflation / price gouging / other economic ills cuz that might make Biden look good & they want him to look worse than they do at the mid-terms. The balancing act of helping Ukraine is a hard one, since we only have Europe working with us. https://giphy.com/gifs/chordoverstreet-chord-overstreet-26FLgGTPUDH6UGAbm

Infrastructure would seem a no-brainer, but Republicans wouldn't vote for it b/c it would make Biden look good. Trump's attempt at an infrastructure initiative was half-hearted and he blew it up himself.

Obstruction has been McConnell's strategy since Obama was elected. At some point, people get tired of angry theater, gay-bashing, dog-whistle racism and reducing women to the status of "vessels" and they want to see some progress on bridges that don't collapse and parks that reflect thousands of years of natural heritage washing away in a couple of days and want to see some progress on basic survival issues. What's the Republican plan for that? More laws stopping confused kids from using the wrong bathroom?
Genuinely trying to do something you've proven incapable of doing isn't really a virtue. And the presidency is a results-driven, pass/fail job. Joe Biden has never in his overlong political career been a leader, and he's been a total failure in that capacity as president. It's OK to admit that. In fact, it's vital if the Democrats hope to move in a more positive direction in the future.
Joe Biden is a consensus builder.

That's how he leads.

You can't build consensus when the other party refuses flatly to work with you, and denies, even though they know better, that you even won the election.

The miracle is that he's accomplished as much as he has given the fact that he's had to do it in dealing with a Congress where about a third of the members claim to believe the Big Lie and more than that refuse to act like Biden is president b/c they care more about winning their next election and not getting primaried by Trump than they do about dealing with a global pandemic, climate change, a worldwide economy in free-fall, Putin invading Ukraine and committing war crimes, Xi shutting down China if there's a hint of COVID (I'm strongly in favor of masks and vax, but China's response to COVID is bizarre), Yellowstone washing away, Lake Mead evaporating, etc etc.

These guys are behaving like there's no tomorrow. I hope the 1-6 commission succeeds in preventing Trump from running for office and then we'll see if Republicans are going to continue to cater to goons and loons.
C. Jordan
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Amal Shuq-Up said:

C. Jordan said:

Amal Shuq-Up said:

C. Jordan said:

Johnny Bear said:

I seem to recall that back when then Texas candidate for Governor, Clayton Williams, posed the infamous question about when rape is inevitable, why not just lay back and enjoy it(?) - he got excoriated, as he should have. Seems to me that the Texas GOP, after taking into account the evidence, including the multiple statistical anomalies related to the 2020 election that have virtually a 0% chance of legitimately happening, decided to take a stand and in affect NOT take good 'ole Clayton's advice - especially when you additionally consider what has happened to the country and the world in the year and a half since dementia Joe was imposed on all of us.

And for this many of you are characterizing them as "an embarrassment" and calling them "stupid", or "fringe wackos", etc. Guess you guys agree with good 'ole Clayton.

81 million votes - YOU BET!!


Clayton Williams had many faults, but at least he respected democracy, which today's GOP doesn't.




Dear Molly Ivins Jinx,

We know the only Republicans you like are the ones who lose their races.
Congrats Jinx.

He compared you to Molly Ivins. That's a high compliment in my book!
Of course, it is, Jinxy. I am sure bitter Democrats everywhere take it as a compliment.

And don't assume my gender.
Doc Holliday
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J.B.Katz said:

bear2be2 said:

Mothra said:

Sam Lowry said:

Scoffing at the "reality-based community," conjuring Iraqi WMD, denying a "plandemic," imagining coups where none exist...the GOP just keeps getting weirder.
Yes, better sit out the remaining elections in protest, and ensure that an even more ridiculous and destructive party wins all future national elections.
This post quite perfectly encapsulates the perils of a two-party political system and binary choice. It erodes accountability to the point that you devolve into what we have now, a literal race to the bottom.
Democrats argue about policy. AOC / Sanders want a level of social support that's simply not possible or practical in today's America. Moderates (inclu me) want investments in infrastructure and policies to address climate change.

When Yellowstone Park is washing away, Houston, we got a problem.

But Republicans still won't acknowledge we need to do anything but ramp up fossil fuels and, maybe (lots of them didn't vote for infrastructure) build seawalls. Which, IMO, is like building sandcastle fortresses.
You could give democrats all the funding and authority you want in order to combat climate or infrastructure and they will still fail and end up spending most of the money on pork and ripping off taxpayers.

Republicans will do the same thing, but they don't take as much from taxpayers.

In a nutshell, that's what we're stuck with.

Democrats should be known for championing moral goals and then backstabbing the public by appropriating taxpayer money into pet projects that get them reelected or into high paying firm positions when they leave office.


Part of the problem is you and others have an insane amount of faith in our government and the worst problems we face today are generated out of government incompetence.
Mothra
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J.B.Katz said:

bear2be2 said:

J.B.Katz said:

bear2be2 said:




The Democrats may be less bad than the Republicans right now, but they present no great alternative for anyone who is not already linked to that party by tribal affiliation.
You'll get no argument from me.

Republicans are dominated by one very bad personality who has forced unity, but to a bad purpose: His own personal power.

Democrats lack coherent, unified leadership.

I don't blame that on Biden. He's not a dynamo, but I have less contempt for Biden than I do on some old-school Senate and Congressional leaders who aren't grappling with the new reality of the clear and present danger to American democracy Judge Luttig identified.

Biden is genuinely trying to lead at a time when that's hard not only b/c Republicans have tried to delegitimize his presidency (a strategy they employed very successfully with Obama, who was too cerebral and cool and calm and collected to fight fire with fire and counter the obstruction and blatant racism he and his family dealt with effectively).

I envision Biden as the overly patient parent of a bunch of truculent toddlers who is trying to walk forward while they're clinging to his legs kicking and screaming. The Senate won't pass measures to combat inflation / price gouging / other economic ills cuz that might make Biden look good & they want him to look worse than they do at the mid-terms. The balancing act of helping Ukraine is a hard one, since we only have Europe working with us. https://giphy.com/gifs/chordoverstreet-chord-overstreet-26FLgGTPUDH6UGAbm

Infrastructure would seem a no-brainer, but Republicans wouldn't vote for it b/c it would make Biden look good. Trump's attempt at an infrastructure initiative was half-hearted and he blew it up himself.

Obstruction has been McConnell's strategy since Obama was elected. At some point, people get tired of angry theater, gay-bashing, dog-whistle racism and reducing women to the status of "vessels" and they want to see some progress on bridges that don't collapse and parks that reflect thousands of years of natural heritage washing away in a couple of days and want to see some progress on basic survival issues. What's the Republican plan for that? More laws stopping confused kids from using the wrong bathroom?
Genuinely trying to do something you've proven incapable of doing isn't really a virtue. And the presidency is a results-driven, pass/fail job. Joe Biden has never in his overlong political career been a leader, and he's been a total failure in that capacity as president. It's OK to admit that. In fact, it's vital if the Democrats hope to move in a more positive direction in the future.
Joe Biden is a consensus builder.

That's how he leads.

You can't build consensus when the other party refuses flatly to work with you, and denies, even though they know better, that you even won the election.

The miracle is that he's accomplished as much as he has given the fact that he's had to do it in dealing with a Congress where about a third of the members claim to believe the Big Lie and more than that refuse to act like Biden is president b/c they care more about winning their next election and not getting primaried by Trump than they do about dealing with a global pandemic, climate change, a worldwide economy in free-fall, Putin invading Ukraine and committing war crimes, Xi shutting down China if there's a hint of COVID (I'm strongly in favor of masks and vax, but China's response to COVID is bizarre), Yellowstone washing away, Lake Mead evaporating, etc etc.

These guys are behaving like there's no tomorrow. I hope the 1-6 commission succeeds in preventing Trump from running for office and then we'll see if Republicans are going to continue to cater to goons and loons.
Excuses are like *******s. Everyone has one, and they all stink.

Please list Biden's top 10 accomplishments since January 2021. I will hang up and listen to what I should be "amazed" he has accomplished during that period.
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Amal Shuq-Up said:

C. Jordan said:

Amal Shuq-Up said:

C. Jordan said:

Johnny Bear said:

I seem to recall that back when then Texas candidate for Governor, Clayton Williams, posed the infamous question about when rape is inevitable, why not just lay back and enjoy it(?) - he got excoriated, as he should have. Seems to me that the Texas GOP, after taking into account the evidence, including the multiple statistical anomalies related to the 2020 election that have virtually a 0% chance of legitimately happening, decided to take a stand and in affect NOT take good 'ole Clayton's advice - especially when you additionally consider what has happened to the country and the world in the year and a half since dementia Joe was imposed on all of us.

And for this many of you are characterizing them as "an embarrassment" and calling them "stupid", or "fringe wackos", etc. Guess you guys agree with good 'ole Clayton.

81 million votes - YOU BET!!


Clayton Williams had many faults, but at least he respected democracy, which today's GOP doesn't.




Dear Molly Ivins Jinx,

We know the only Republicans you like are the ones who lose their races.
Congrats Jinx.

He compared you to Molly Ivins. That's a high compliment in my book!
Of course, it is, Jinxy. I am sure bitter Democrats everywhere take it as a compliment.

And don't assume my gender.
We'll just watch for which bathroom you use and if it doesn't look like the right choice to us, we'll rush in blowing whistles and summon members of the Ohio State legislature to conduct one of those inspections they're so eager to impose on children.
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Mothra said:

J.B.Katz said:

bear2be2 said:

J.B.Katz said:

bear2be2 said:




The Democrats may be less bad than the Republicans right now, but they present no great alternative for anyone who is not already linked to that party by tribal affiliation.
You'll get no argument from me.

Republicans are dominated by one very bad personality who has forced unity, but to a bad purpose: His own personal power.

Democrats lack coherent, unified leadership.

I don't blame that on Biden. He's not a dynamo, but I have less contempt for Biden than I do on some old-school Senate and Congressional leaders who aren't grappling with the new reality of the clear and present danger to American democracy Judge Luttig identified.

Biden is genuinely trying to lead at a time when that's hard not only b/c Republicans have tried to delegitimize his presidency (a strategy they employed very successfully with Obama, who was too cerebral and cool and calm and collected to fight fire with fire and counter the obstruction and blatant racism he and his family dealt with effectively).

I envision Biden as the overly patient parent of a bunch of truculent toddlers who is trying to walk forward while they're clinging to his legs kicking and screaming. The Senate won't pass measures to combat inflation / price gouging / other economic ills cuz that might make Biden look good & they want him to look worse than they do at the mid-terms. The balancing act of helping Ukraine is a hard one, since we only have Europe working with us. https://giphy.com/gifs/chordoverstreet-chord-overstreet-26FLgGTPUDH6UGAbm

Infrastructure would seem a no-brainer, but Republicans wouldn't vote for it b/c it would make Biden look good. Trump's attempt at an infrastructure initiative was half-hearted and he blew it up himself.

Obstruction has been McConnell's strategy since Obama was elected. At some point, people get tired of angry theater, gay-bashing, dog-whistle racism and reducing women to the status of "vessels" and they want to see some progress on bridges that don't collapse and parks that reflect thousands of years of natural heritage washing away in a couple of days and want to see some progress on basic survival issues. What's the Republican plan for that? More laws stopping confused kids from using the wrong bathroom?
Genuinely trying to do something you've proven incapable of doing isn't really a virtue. And the presidency is a results-driven, pass/fail job. Joe Biden has never in his overlong political career been a leader, and he's been a total failure in that capacity as president. It's OK to admit that. In fact, it's vital if the Democrats hope to move in a more positive direction in the future.
Joe Biden is a consensus builder.

That's how he leads.

You can't build consensus when the other party refuses flatly to work with you, and denies, even though they know better, that you even won the election.

The miracle is that he's accomplished as much as he has given the fact that he's had to do it in dealing with a Congress where about a third of the members claim to believe the Big Lie and more than that refuse to act like Biden is president b/c they care more about winning their next election and not getting primaried by Trump than they do about dealing with a global pandemic, climate change, a worldwide economy in free-fall, Putin invading Ukraine and committing war crimes, Xi shutting down China if there's a hint of COVID (I'm strongly in favor of masks and vax, but China's response to COVID is bizarre), Yellowstone washing away, Lake Mead evaporating, etc etc.

These guys are behaving like there's no tomorrow. I hope the 1-6 commission succeeds in preventing Trump from running for office and then we'll see if Republicans are going to continue to cater to goons and loons.
Excuses are like *******s. Everyone has one, and they all stink.

Please list Biden's top 10 accomplishments since January 2021. I will hang up and listen to what I should be "amazed" he has accomplished during that period.
I really cant think of any accomplishments he has had. Manchin & Sinema helped save us from 20% inflation by not voting for more money printing on build back better and thats all that I can think of. Every thing else has been an epic failure and then they double down and fail some more.
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Mothra said:

J.B.Katz said:

bear2be2 said:

J.B.Katz said:

bear2be2 said:




The Democrats may be less bad than the Republicans right now, but they present no great alternative for anyone who is not already linked to that party by tribal affiliation.
You'll get no argument from me.

Republicans are dominated by one very bad personality who has forced unity, but to a bad purpose: His own personal power.

Democrats lack coherent, unified leadership.

I don't blame that on Biden. He's not a dynamo, but I have less contempt for Biden than I do on some old-school Senate and Congressional leaders who aren't grappling with the new reality of the clear and present danger to American democracy Judge Luttig identified.

Biden is genuinely trying to lead at a time when that's hard not only b/c Republicans have tried to delegitimize his presidency (a strategy they employed very successfully with Obama, who was too cerebral and cool and calm and collected to fight fire with fire and counter the obstruction and blatant racism he and his family dealt with effectively).

I envision Biden as the overly patient parent of a bunch of truculent toddlers who is trying to walk forward while they're clinging to his legs kicking and screaming. The Senate won't pass measures to combat inflation / price gouging / other economic ills cuz that might make Biden look good & they want him to look worse than they do at the mid-terms. The balancing act of helping Ukraine is a hard one, since we only have Europe working with us. https://giphy.com/gifs/chordoverstreet-chord-overstreet-26FLgGTPUDH6UGAbm

Infrastructure would seem a no-brainer, but Republicans wouldn't vote for it b/c it would make Biden look good. Trump's attempt at an infrastructure initiative was half-hearted and he blew it up himself.

Obstruction has been McConnell's strategy since Obama was elected. At some point, people get tired of angry theater, gay-bashing, dog-whistle racism and reducing women to the status of "vessels" and they want to see some progress on bridges that don't collapse and parks that reflect thousands of years of natural heritage washing away in a couple of days and want to see some progress on basic survival issues. What's the Republican plan for that? More laws stopping confused kids from using the wrong bathroom?
Genuinely trying to do something you've proven incapable of doing isn't really a virtue. And the presidency is a results-driven, pass/fail job. Joe Biden has never in his overlong political career been a leader, and he's been a total failure in that capacity as president. It's OK to admit that. In fact, it's vital if the Democrats hope to move in a more positive direction in the future.
Joe Biden is a consensus builder.

That's how he leads.

You can't build consensus when the other party refuses flatly to work with you, and denies, even though they know better, that you even won the election.

The miracle is that he's accomplished as much as he has given the fact that he's had to do it in dealing with a Congress where about a third of the members claim to believe the Big Lie and more than that refuse to act like Biden is president b/c they care more about winning their next election and not getting primaried by Trump than they do about dealing with a global pandemic, climate change, a worldwide economy in free-fall, Putin invading Ukraine and committing war crimes, Xi shutting down China if there's a hint of COVID (I'm strongly in favor of masks and vax, but China's response to COVID is bizarre), Yellowstone washing away, Lake Mead evaporating, etc etc.

These guys are behaving like there's no tomorrow. I hope the 1-6 commission succeeds in preventing Trump from running for office and then we'll see if Republicans are going to continue to cater to goons and loons.
Excuses are like *******s. Everyone has one, and they all stink.

Please list Biden's top 10 accomplishments since January 2021. I will hang up and listen to what I should be "amazed" he has accomplished during that period.
Hey, inflation in the United States is still lower than Zimbabwe's.
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Mothra said:

J.B.Katz said:

bear2be2 said:

J.B.Katz said:

bear2be2 said:




The Democrats may be less bad than the Republicans right now, but they present no great alternative for anyone who is not already linked to that party by tribal affiliation.
You'll get no argument from me.

Republicans are dominated by one very bad personality who has forced unity, but to a bad purpose: His own personal power.

Democrats lack coherent, unified leadership.

I don't blame that on Biden. He's not a dynamo, but I have less contempt for Biden than I do on some old-school Senate and Congressional leaders who aren't grappling with the new reality of the clear and present danger to American democracy Judge Luttig identified.

Biden is genuinely trying to lead at a time when that's hard not only b/c Republicans have tried to delegitimize his presidency (a strategy they employed very successfully with Obama, who was too cerebral and cool and calm and collected to fight fire with fire and counter the obstruction and blatant racism he and his family dealt with effectively).

I envision Biden as the overly patient parent of a bunch of truculent toddlers who is trying to walk forward while they're clinging to his legs kicking and screaming. The Senate won't pass measures to combat inflation / price gouging / other economic ills cuz that might make Biden look good & they want him to look worse than they do at the mid-terms. The balancing act of helping Ukraine is a hard one, since we only have Europe working with us. https://giphy.com/gifs/chordoverstreet-chord-overstreet-26FLgGTPUDH6UGAbm

Infrastructure would seem a no-brainer, but Republicans wouldn't vote for it b/c it would make Biden look good. Trump's attempt at an infrastructure initiative was half-hearted and he blew it up himself.

Obstruction has been McConnell's strategy since Obama was elected. At some point, people get tired of angry theater, gay-bashing, dog-whistle racism and reducing women to the status of "vessels" and they want to see some progress on bridges that don't collapse and parks that reflect thousands of years of natural heritage washing away in a couple of days and want to see some progress on basic survival issues. What's the Republican plan for that? More laws stopping confused kids from using the wrong bathroom?
Genuinely trying to do something you've proven incapable of doing isn't really a virtue. And the presidency is a results-driven, pass/fail job. Joe Biden has never in his overlong political career been a leader, and he's been a total failure in that capacity as president. It's OK to admit that. In fact, it's vital if the Democrats hope to move in a more positive direction in the future.
Joe Biden is a consensus builder.

That's how he leads.

You can't build consensus when the other party refuses flatly to work with you, and denies, even though they know better, that you even won the election.

The miracle is that he's accomplished as much as he has given the fact that he's had to do it in dealing with a Congress where about a third of the members claim to believe the Big Lie and more than that refuse to act like Biden is president b/c they care more about winning their next election and not getting primaried by Trump than they do about dealing with a global pandemic, climate change, a worldwide economy in free-fall, Putin invading Ukraine and committing war crimes, Xi shutting down China if there's a hint of COVID (I'm strongly in favor of masks and vax, but China's response to COVID is bizarre), Yellowstone washing away, Lake Mead evaporating, etc etc.

These guys are behaving like there's no tomorrow. I hope the 1-6 commission succeeds in preventing Trump from running for office and then we'll see if Republicans are going to continue to cater to goons and loons.
Excuses are like *******s. Everyone has one, and they all stink.

Please list Biden's top 10 accomplishments since January 2021. I will hang up and listen to what I should be "amazed" he has accomplished during that period.
First, what's your excuse for voting for Trump?

Second, it's clear that you don't listen to the still small voice, as that requires an open heart and an open mind, neither of which you possess. So why would I ever assume you'd listen to me?
Mothra
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J.B.Katz said:

Mothra said:

J.B.Katz said:

bear2be2 said:

J.B.Katz said:

bear2be2 said:




The Democrats may be less bad than the Republicans right now, but they present no great alternative for anyone who is not already linked to that party by tribal affiliation.
You'll get no argument from me.

Republicans are dominated by one very bad personality who has forced unity, but to a bad purpose: His own personal power.

Democrats lack coherent, unified leadership.

I don't blame that on Biden. He's not a dynamo, but I have less contempt for Biden than I do on some old-school Senate and Congressional leaders who aren't grappling with the new reality of the clear and present danger to American democracy Judge Luttig identified.

Biden is genuinely trying to lead at a time when that's hard not only b/c Republicans have tried to delegitimize his presidency (a strategy they employed very successfully with Obama, who was too cerebral and cool and calm and collected to fight fire with fire and counter the obstruction and blatant racism he and his family dealt with effectively).

I envision Biden as the overly patient parent of a bunch of truculent toddlers who is trying to walk forward while they're clinging to his legs kicking and screaming. The Senate won't pass measures to combat inflation / price gouging / other economic ills cuz that might make Biden look good & they want him to look worse than they do at the mid-terms. The balancing act of helping Ukraine is a hard one, since we only have Europe working with us. https://giphy.com/gifs/chordoverstreet-chord-overstreet-26FLgGTPUDH6UGAbm

Infrastructure would seem a no-brainer, but Republicans wouldn't vote for it b/c it would make Biden look good. Trump's attempt at an infrastructure initiative was half-hearted and he blew it up himself.

Obstruction has been McConnell's strategy since Obama was elected. At some point, people get tired of angry theater, gay-bashing, dog-whistle racism and reducing women to the status of "vessels" and they want to see some progress on bridges that don't collapse and parks that reflect thousands of years of natural heritage washing away in a couple of days and want to see some progress on basic survival issues. What's the Republican plan for that? More laws stopping confused kids from using the wrong bathroom?
Genuinely trying to do something you've proven incapable of doing isn't really a virtue. And the presidency is a results-driven, pass/fail job. Joe Biden has never in his overlong political career been a leader, and he's been a total failure in that capacity as president. It's OK to admit that. In fact, it's vital if the Democrats hope to move in a more positive direction in the future.
Joe Biden is a consensus builder.

That's how he leads.

You can't build consensus when the other party refuses flatly to work with you, and denies, even though they know better, that you even won the election.

The miracle is that he's accomplished as much as he has given the fact that he's had to do it in dealing with a Congress where about a third of the members claim to believe the Big Lie and more than that refuse to act like Biden is president b/c they care more about winning their next election and not getting primaried by Trump than they do about dealing with a global pandemic, climate change, a worldwide economy in free-fall, Putin invading Ukraine and committing war crimes, Xi shutting down China if there's a hint of COVID (I'm strongly in favor of masks and vax, but China's response to COVID is bizarre), Yellowstone washing away, Lake Mead evaporating, etc etc.

These guys are behaving like there's no tomorrow. I hope the 1-6 commission succeeds in preventing Trump from running for office and then we'll see if Republicans are going to continue to cater to goons and loons.
Excuses are like *******s. Everyone has one, and they all stink.

Please list Biden's top 10 accomplishments since January 2021. I will hang up and listen to what I should be "amazed" he has accomplished during that period.
First, what's your excuse for voting for Trump?

Second, it's clear that you don't listen to the still small voice, as that requires an open heart and an open mind, neither of which you possess. So why would I ever assume you'd listen to me?
Happy to answer your question. I have answered this same question numerous times, just FYI. You must not read these boards much.

I voted for Trump because I am a real conservative, and not someone who plays one on an internet message board, such as yourself. I value the life of babies. I value traditional family values and Judeo-Christian ethics. I value fiscal conservatism and am against out-of-control spending. I value peace with the world, as much as it depends on us. I value a foreign policy that doesn't get us into unnecessary wars or conflicts. I value a leader who puts America before the rest of the world. I value women not being forced to compete against members of the opposite biological sex. I value controlling and securing our borders. I value personal freedoms and autonomy. And I value trying to stay out of nuclear war.

For those reasons, I voted for Trump. Was he a perfect candidate? Of course not. There are numerous things I hated about him, and there were numerous occasions where his policies and actions did not fall in line with the above issues I found important. He was a constant source of frustration for me. And yet, despite these facts, he was very much the lesser of the evils for a real conservative, as Biden is the antithesis of every conservative value listed above. Again, I would not expect a liberal such as yourself to understand, just as I have difficulty fathoming anyone who favors the current incompetence over Trump.

Pretty ironic of you to say I don't listen to a still small voice when you closed off your ears to it years ago and blindly defend the current administration. Your defense of all things Biden is every bit as bad as the conservatives you decry who defend Trump. Hell, at least I can see Trump was pretty bad - the lesser of the evils as I have consistently called him - but bad nonetheless. You're actually praising Biden's accomplishments, saying we should be "amazed" by them. It's like you're reading Democrat talking points or something. Even most Democrats realize his presidency has been a total disaster. And yet, here you are, like the Iraqi foreign minister who claimed Iraq was winning the war as bombs were exploding in the background. You're as partisan as they come.

If you don't want to take me up on my challenge, I certainly understand. It would be difficult coming up with a few of his accomplishments, much less ten. But I tell you what, if it's too difficult for you to come up with 10 accomplishment, let's cut it in half. Can you name his 5 accomplishments that Americans should be "amazed" about?
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J.B.Katz said:

Mothra said:

J.B.Katz said:

bear2be2 said:

J.B.Katz said:

bear2be2 said:




The Democrats may be less bad than the Republicans right now, but they present no great alternative for anyone who is not already linked to that party by tribal affiliation.
You'll get no argument from me.

Republicans are dominated by one very bad personality who has forced unity, but to a bad purpose: His own personal power.

Democrats lack coherent, unified leadership.

I don't blame that on Biden. He's not a dynamo, but I have less contempt for Biden than I do on some old-school Senate and Congressional leaders who aren't grappling with the new reality of the clear and present danger to American democracy Judge Luttig identified.

Biden is genuinely trying to lead at a time when that's hard not only b/c Republicans have tried to delegitimize his presidency (a strategy they employed very successfully with Obama, who was too cerebral and cool and calm and collected to fight fire with fire and counter the obstruction and blatant racism he and his family dealt with effectively).

I envision Biden as the overly patient parent of a bunch of truculent toddlers who is trying to walk forward while they're clinging to his legs kicking and screaming. The Senate won't pass measures to combat inflation / price gouging / other economic ills cuz that might make Biden look good & they want him to look worse than they do at the mid-terms. The balancing act of helping Ukraine is a hard one, since we only have Europe working with us. https://giphy.com/gifs/chordoverstreet-chord-overstreet-26FLgGTPUDH6UGAbm

Infrastructure would seem a no-brainer, but Republicans wouldn't vote for it b/c it would make Biden look good. Trump's attempt at an infrastructure initiative was half-hearted and he blew it up himself.

Obstruction has been McConnell's strategy since Obama was elected. At some point, people get tired of angry theater, gay-bashing, dog-whistle racism and reducing women to the status of "vessels" and they want to see some progress on bridges that don't collapse and parks that reflect thousands of years of natural heritage washing away in a couple of days and want to see some progress on basic survival issues. What's the Republican plan for that? More laws stopping confused kids from using the wrong bathroom?
Genuinely trying to do something you've proven incapable of doing isn't really a virtue. And the presidency is a results-driven, pass/fail job. Joe Biden has never in his overlong political career been a leader, and he's been a total failure in that capacity as president. It's OK to admit that. In fact, it's vital if the Democrats hope to move in a more positive direction in the future.
Joe Biden is a consensus builder.

That's how he leads.

You can't build consensus when the other party refuses flatly to work with you, and denies, even though they know better, that you even won the election.

The miracle is that he's accomplished as much as he has given the fact that he's had to do it in dealing with a Congress where about a third of the members claim to believe the Big Lie and more than that refuse to act like Biden is president b/c they care more about winning their next election and not getting primaried by Trump than they do about dealing with a global pandemic, climate change, a worldwide economy in free-fall, Putin invading Ukraine and committing war crimes, Xi shutting down China if there's a hint of COVID (I'm strongly in favor of masks and vax, but China's response to COVID is bizarre), Yellowstone washing away, Lake Mead evaporating, etc etc.

These guys are behaving like there's no tomorrow. I hope the 1-6 commission succeeds in preventing Trump from running for office and then we'll see if Republicans are going to continue to cater to goons and loons.
Excuses are like *******s. Everyone has one, and they all stink.

Please list Biden's top 10 accomplishments since January 2021. I will hang up and listen to what I should be "amazed" he has accomplished during that period.
First, what's your excuse for voting for Trump?

Second, it's clear that you don't listen to the still small voice, as that requires an open heart and an open mind, neither of which you possess. So why would I ever assume you'd listen to me?
Easy, the other choice was for the most corrupt politician to ever run for office. The fact that you voted for her discredits you from ever holding a legitimate opinion.
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GrowlTowel said:

J.B.Katz said:

Mothra said:

J.B.Katz said:

bear2be2 said:

J.B.Katz said:

bear2be2 said:




The Democrats may be less bad than the Republicans right now, but they present no great alternative for anyone who is not already linked to that party by tribal affiliation.
You'll get no argument from me.

Republicans are dominated by one very bad personality who has forced unity, but to a bad purpose: His own personal power.

Democrats lack coherent, unified leadership.

I don't blame that on Biden. He's not a dynamo, but I have less contempt for Biden than I do on some old-school Senate and Congressional leaders who aren't grappling with the new reality of the clear and present danger to American democracy Judge Luttig identified.

Biden is genuinely trying to lead at a time when that's hard not only b/c Republicans have tried to delegitimize his presidency (a strategy they employed very successfully with Obama, who was too cerebral and cool and calm and collected to fight fire with fire and counter the obstruction and blatant racism he and his family dealt with effectively).

I envision Biden as the overly patient parent of a bunch of truculent toddlers who is trying to walk forward while they're clinging to his legs kicking and screaming. The Senate won't pass measures to combat inflation / price gouging / other economic ills cuz that might make Biden look good & they want him to look worse than they do at the mid-terms. The balancing act of helping Ukraine is a hard one, since we only have Europe working with us. https://giphy.com/gifs/chordoverstreet-chord-overstreet-26FLgGTPUDH6UGAbm

Infrastructure would seem a no-brainer, but Republicans wouldn't vote for it b/c it would make Biden look good. Trump's attempt at an infrastructure initiative was half-hearted and he blew it up himself.

Obstruction has been McConnell's strategy since Obama was elected. At some point, people get tired of angry theater, gay-bashing, dog-whistle racism and reducing women to the status of "vessels" and they want to see some progress on bridges that don't collapse and parks that reflect thousands of years of natural heritage washing away in a couple of days and want to see some progress on basic survival issues. What's the Republican plan for that? More laws stopping confused kids from using the wrong bathroom?
Genuinely trying to do something you've proven incapable of doing isn't really a virtue. And the presidency is a results-driven, pass/fail job. Joe Biden has never in his overlong political career been a leader, and he's been a total failure in that capacity as president. It's OK to admit that. In fact, it's vital if the Democrats hope to move in a more positive direction in the future.
Joe Biden is a consensus builder.

That's how he leads.

You can't build consensus when the other party refuses flatly to work with you, and denies, even though they know better, that you even won the election.

The miracle is that he's accomplished as much as he has given the fact that he's had to do it in dealing with a Congress where about a third of the members claim to believe the Big Lie and more than that refuse to act like Biden is president b/c they care more about winning their next election and not getting primaried by Trump than they do about dealing with a global pandemic, climate change, a worldwide economy in free-fall, Putin invading Ukraine and committing war crimes, Xi shutting down China if there's a hint of COVID (I'm strongly in favor of masks and vax, but China's response to COVID is bizarre), Yellowstone washing away, Lake Mead evaporating, etc etc.

These guys are behaving like there's no tomorrow. I hope the 1-6 commission succeeds in preventing Trump from running for office and then we'll see if Republicans are going to continue to cater to goons and loons.
Excuses are like *******s. Everyone has one, and they all stink.

Please list Biden's top 10 accomplishments since January 2021. I will hang up and listen to what I should be "amazed" he has accomplished during that period.
First, what's your excuse for voting for Trump?

Second, it's clear that you don't listen to the still small voice, as that requires an open heart and an open mind, neither of which you possess. So why would I ever assume you'd listen to me?
Easy, the other choice was for the most corrupt politician to ever run for office. The fact that you voted for her discredits you from ever holding a legitimate opinion.
Granny Post-a-Lot voted for Granny Pantsuit. Whaddya expect?
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Johnny Bear said:

I seem to recall that back when then Texas candidate for Governor, Clayton Williams, posed the infamous question about when rape is inevitable, why not just lay back and enjoy it(?) - he got excoriated, as he should have. Seems to me that the Texas GOP, after taking into account the evidence, including the multiple statistical anomalies related to the 2020 election that have virtually a 0% chance of legitimately happening, decided to take a stand and in affect NOT take good 'ole Clayton's advice - especially when you additionally consider what has happened to the country and the world in the year and a half since dementia Joe was imposed on all of us.

And for this many of you are characterizing them as "an embarrassment" and calling them "stupid", or "fringe wackos", etc. Guess you guys agree with good 'ole Clayton.

81 million votes - YOU BET!!
Stupid fringe wackos who should be shunned. Their candidate got beat by millions of votes
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Osodecentx said:

Johnny Bear said:

I seem to recall that back when then Texas candidate for Governor, Clayton Williams, posed the infamous question about when rape is inevitable, why not just lay back and enjoy it(?) - he got excoriated, as he should have. Seems to me that the Texas GOP, after taking into account the evidence, including the multiple statistical anomalies related to the 2020 election that have virtually a 0% chance of legitimately happening, decided to take a stand and in affect NOT take good 'ole Clayton's advice - especially when you additionally consider what has happened to the country and the world in the year and a half since dementia Joe was imposed on all of us.

And for this many of you are characterizing them as "an embarrassment" and calling them "stupid", or "fringe wackos", etc. Guess you guys agree with good 'ole Clayton.

81 million votes - YOU BET!!
Stupid fringe wackos who should be shunned. Their candidate got beat by millions of votes
If you want, just put it in the mail with the other "votes."
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Rawhide said:

C. Jordan said:

boognish_bear said:

"We reject the certified results of the 2020 Presidential election, and we hold that acting President Joseph Robinette Biden Jr. was not legitimately elected by the people of the United States."


Complete.

Insanity.

Lost their grip on reality.

Total transformation into a Trump cult.
This hilarious. I said the exact same thing about BLM and the never Trump cult. Oh and the mask and vaccine cult too


Not to mention the CRT everything is white supremacy cult. You hear them every day on CNN MSNBC The View etc. They now call normal policy and normal politicians white supremacy.

There is a lot of extremism on both the right and left. To act like one side owns it, is foolishness or outright self deception
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Osodecentx said:

Johnny Bear said:

I seem to recall that back when then Texas candidate for Governor, Clayton Williams, posed the infamous question about when rape is inevitable, why not just lay back and enjoy it(?) - he got excoriated, as he should have. Seems to me that the Texas GOP, after taking into account the evidence, including the multiple statistical anomalies related to the 2020 election that have virtually a 0% chance of legitimately happening, decided to take a stand and in affect NOT take good 'ole Clayton's advice - especially when you additionally consider what has happened to the country and the world in the year and a half since dementia Joe was imposed on all of us.

And for this many of you are characterizing them as "an embarrassment" and calling them "stupid", or "fringe wackos", etc. Guess you guys agree with good 'ole Clayton.

81 million votes - YOU BET!!
Stupid fringe wackos who should be shunned even though Their candidate won by millions of votes, he still sucks!
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J.B.Katz said:

bear2be2 said:

J.B.Katz said:

bear2be2 said:




The Democrats may be less bad than the Republicans right now, but they present no great alternative for anyone who is not already linked to that party by tribal affiliation.
You'll get no argument from me.

Republicans are dominated by one very bad personality who has forced unity, but to a bad purpose: His own personal power.

Democrats lack coherent, unified leadership.

I don't blame that on Biden. He's not a dynamo, but I have less contempt for Biden than I do on some old-school Senate and Congressional leaders who aren't grappling with the new reality of the clear and present danger to American democracy Judge Luttig identified.

Biden is genuinely trying to lead at a time when that's hard not only b/c Republicans have tried to delegitimize his presidency (a strategy they employed very successfully with Obama, who was too cerebral and cool and calm and collected to fight fire with fire and counter the obstruction and blatant racism he and his family dealt with effectively).

I envision Biden as the overly patient parent of a bunch of truculent toddlers who is trying to walk forward while they're clinging to his legs kicking and screaming. The Senate won't pass measures to combat inflation / price gouging / other economic ills cuz that might make Biden look good & they want him to look worse than they do at the mid-terms. The balancing act of helping Ukraine is a hard one, since we only have Europe working with us. https://giphy.com/gifs/chordoverstreet-chord-overstreet-26FLgGTPUDH6UGAbm

Infrastructure would seem a no-brainer, but Republicans wouldn't vote for it b/c it would make Biden look good. Trump's attempt at an infrastructure initiative was half-hearted and he blew it up himself.

Obstruction has been McConnell's strategy since Obama was elected. At some point, people get tired of angry theater, gay-bashing, dog-whistle racism and reducing women to the status of "vessels" and they want to see some progress on bridges that don't collapse and parks that reflect thousands of years of natural heritage washing away in a couple of days and want to see some progress on basic survival issues. What's the Republican plan for that? More laws stopping confused kids from using the wrong bathroom?
Genuinely trying to do something you've proven incapable of doing isn't really a virtue. And the presidency is a results-driven, pass/fail job. Joe Biden has never in his overlong political career been a leader, and he's been a total failure in that capacity as president. It's OK to admit that. In fact, it's vital if the Democrats hope to move in a more positive direction in the future.
Joe Biden is a consensus builder.

That's how he leads.

You can't build consensus when the other party refuses flatly to work with you, and denies, even though they know better, that you even won the election.

The miracle is that he's accomplished as much as he has given the fact that he's had to do it in dealing with a Congress where about a third of the members claim to believe the Big Lie and more than that refuse to act like Biden is president b/c they care more about winning their next election and not getting primaried by Trump than they do about dealing with a global pandemic, climate change, a worldwide economy in free-fall, Putin invading Ukraine and committing war crimes, Xi shutting down China if there's a hint of COVID (I'm strongly in favor of masks and vax, but China's response to COVID is bizarre), Yellowstone washing away, Lake Mead evaporating, etc etc.

These guys are behaving like there's no tomorrow. I hope the 1-6 commission succeeds in preventing Trump from running for office and then we'll see if Republicans are going to continue to cater to goons and loons.
He's had a majority in both houses of congress the last two years.

We rightly made fun of Trump when he accomplished next to nothing legislatively with majorities in both houses of congress. We can't make excuses for Biden when the same thing happens.
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Doc Holliday said:

J.B.Katz said:

bear2be2 said:

Mothra said:

Sam Lowry said:

Scoffing at the "reality-based community," conjuring Iraqi WMD, denying a "plandemic," imagining coups where none exist...the GOP just keeps getting weirder.
Yes, better sit out the remaining elections in protest, and ensure that an even more ridiculous and destructive party wins all future national elections.
This post quite perfectly encapsulates the perils of a two-party political system and binary choice. It erodes accountability to the point that you devolve into what we have now, a literal race to the bottom.
Democrats argue about policy. AOC / Sanders want a level of social support that's simply not possible or practical in today's America. Moderates (inclu me) want investments in infrastructure and policies to address climate change.

When Yellowstone Park is washing away, Houston, we got a problem.

But Republicans still won't acknowledge we need to do anything but ramp up fossil fuels and, maybe (lots of them didn't vote for infrastructure) build seawalls. Which, IMO, is like building sandcastle fortresses.
You could give democrats all the funding and authority you want in order to combat climate or infrastructure and they will still fail and end up spending most of the money on pork and ripping off taxpayers.

Republicans will do the same thing, but they don't take as much from taxpayers.

In a nutshell, that's what we're stuck with.

Democrats should be known for championing moral goals and then backstabbing the public by appropriating taxpayer money into pet projects that get them reelected or into high paying firm positions when they leave office.


Part of the problem is you and others have an insane amount of faith in our government and the worst problems we face today are generated out of government incompetence.
Sadly, there is a whole lot of truth to this.

That said, I don't think government incompetence has to be the norm. It would just require a whole bunch of deeply partisan voters to hold their own accountable.
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C. Jordan said:

Rawhide said:

C. Jordan said:

boognish_bear said:

"We reject the certified results of the 2020 Presidential election, and we hold that acting President Joseph Robinette Biden Jr. was not legitimately elected by the people of the United States."


Complete.

Insanity.

Lost their grip on reality.

Total transformation into a Trump cult.
This hilarious. I said the exact same thing about BLM and the never Trump cult. Oh and the mask and vaccine cult too
Yeah. It's really delusional to, like, follow medical science and stuff.


Speaking of science, how's the whole guy/girl being a girl/guy thing going? You know, men can get pregnant. And the whole gay thing.... not following the science.
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Rawhide said:

C. Jordan said:

Rawhide said:

C. Jordan said:

boognish_bear said:

"We reject the certified results of the 2020 Presidential election, and we hold that acting President Joseph Robinette Biden Jr. was not legitimately elected by the people of the United States."


Complete.

Insanity.

Lost their grip on reality.

Total transformation into a Trump cult.
This hilarious. I said the exact same thing about BLM and the never Trump cult. Oh and the mask and vaccine cult too
Yeah. It's really delusional to, like, follow medical science and stuff.


Speaking of science, how's the whole guy/girl being a girl/guy thing going? You know, men can get pregnant. And the whole gay thing.... not following the science.
Are you suggesting same-sex attraction is anti-science? You should take a biology course sometime. That's a naturally occurring phenomena in all sorts of species.
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bear2be2 said:

Rawhide said:

C. Jordan said:

Rawhide said:

C. Jordan said:

boognish_bear said:

"We reject the certified results of the 2020 Presidential election, and we hold that acting President Joseph Robinette Biden Jr. was not legitimately elected by the people of the United States."


Complete.

Insanity.

Lost their grip on reality.

Total transformation into a Trump cult.
This hilarious. I said the exact same thing about BLM and the never Trump cult. Oh and the mask and vaccine cult too
Yeah. It's really delusional to, like, follow medical science and stuff.


Speaking of science, how's the whole guy/girl being a girl/guy thing going? You know, men can get pregnant. And the whole gay thing.... not following the science.
Are you suggesting same-sex attraction is anti-science. You should take a biology course sometimes.
Biology says that ramming something up your rectum is bad, ummm kay.
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J.B.Katz said:


I love John Kasich. He's one of my favorite politicians of all time. Sadly, he (and I) have no place at the political table in this clown show of a country.
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He Hate Me said:

bear2be2 said:

Rawhide said:

C. Jordan said:

Rawhide said:

C. Jordan said:

boognish_bear said:

"We reject the certified results of the 2020 Presidential election, and we hold that acting President Joseph Robinette Biden Jr. was not legitimately elected by the people of the United States."


Complete.

Insanity.

Lost their grip on reality.

Total transformation into a Trump cult.
This hilarious. I said the exact same thing about BLM and the never Trump cult. Oh and the mask and vaccine cult too
Yeah. It's really delusional to, like, follow medical science and stuff.


Speaking of science, how's the whole guy/girl being a girl/guy thing going? You know, men can get pregnant. And the whole gay thing.... not following the science.
Are you suggesting same-sex attraction is anti-science. You should take a biology course sometimes.
Biology says that ramming something up your rectum is bad, ummm kay.
Biology says that homosexuality in humans is evolutionarily predictable. Because it occurs and has been observed in many, many species.

Fundies who get their science from Genesis should probably stay out of big boy conversations on science. That's a good way to make an ass of oneself.
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bear2be2 said:

J.B.Katz said:

bear2be2 said:

J.B.Katz said:

bear2be2 said:




The Democrats may be less bad than the Republicans right now, but they present no great alternative for anyone who is not already linked to that party by tribal affiliation.
You'll get no argument from me.

Republicans are dominated by one very bad personality who has forced unity, but to a bad purpose: His own personal power.

Democrats lack coherent, unified leadership.

I don't blame that on Biden. He's not a dynamo, but I have less contempt for Biden than I do on some old-school Senate and Congressional leaders who aren't grappling with the new reality of the clear and present danger to American democracy Judge Luttig identified.

Biden is genuinely trying to lead at a time when that's hard not only b/c Republicans have tried to delegitimize his presidency (a strategy they employed very successfully with Obama, who was too cerebral and cool and calm and collected to fight fire with fire and counter the obstruction and blatant racism he and his family dealt with effectively).

I envision Biden as the overly patient parent of a bunch of truculent toddlers who is trying to walk forward while they're clinging to his legs kicking and screaming. The Senate won't pass measures to combat inflation / price gouging / other economic ills cuz that might make Biden look good & they want him to look worse than they do at the mid-terms. The balancing act of helping Ukraine is a hard one, since we only have Europe working with us. https://giphy.com/gifs/chordoverstreet-chord-overstreet-26FLgGTPUDH6UGAbm

Infrastructure would seem a no-brainer, but Republicans wouldn't vote for it b/c it would make Biden look good. Trump's attempt at an infrastructure initiative was half-hearted and he blew it up himself.

Obstruction has been McConnell's strategy since Obama was elected. At some point, people get tired of angry theater, gay-bashing, dog-whistle racism and reducing women to the status of "vessels" and they want to see some progress on bridges that don't collapse and parks that reflect thousands of years of natural heritage washing away in a couple of days and want to see some progress on basic survival issues. What's the Republican plan for that? More laws stopping confused kids from using the wrong bathroom?
Genuinely trying to do something you've proven incapable of doing isn't really a virtue. And the presidency is a results-driven, pass/fail job. Joe Biden has never in his overlong political career been a leader, and he's been a total failure in that capacity as president. It's OK to admit that. In fact, it's vital if the Democrats hope to move in a more positive direction in the future.
Joe Biden is a consensus builder.

That's how he leads.

You can't build consensus when the other party refuses flatly to work with you, and denies, even though they know better, that you even won the election.

The miracle is that he's accomplished as much as he has given the fact that he's had to do it in dealing with a Congress where about a third of the members claim to believe the Big Lie and more than that refuse to act like Biden is president b/c they care more about winning their next election and not getting primaried by Trump than they do about dealing with a global pandemic, climate change, a worldwide economy in free-fall, Putin invading Ukraine and committing war crimes, Xi shutting down China if there's a hint of COVID (I'm strongly in favor of masks and vax, but China's response to COVID is bizarre), Yellowstone washing away, Lake Mead evaporating, etc etc.

These guys are behaving like there's no tomorrow. I hope the 1-6 commission succeeds in preventing Trump from running for office and then we'll see if Republicans are going to continue to cater to goons and loons.
He's had a majority in both houses of congress the last two years.

We rightly made fun of Trump when he accomplished next to nothing legislatively with majorities in both houses of congress. We can't make excuses for Biden when the same thing happens.
Biden has sort of had a majority.

Manchin is more of a Republican than Susan Collins and Lisa Murkowski are democrats. Nobody knows exactly what Kyrsten Sinema is. I think she's bought and paid for. https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/kyrsten-sinema-fundraising-republican-donors-1293087/

Plus he has the Sanders/AOC caucus which has proven willing to cut off a nose to spite a face if they don't get everything they want. Reagan had that right--a compromise means nobody gets everything they want. But we move forward.

I wouldn't have as much of a problem with Manchin as a moderating force if he weren't fighting for the deservedly dying coal industry out of naked financial self-interest. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/27/climate/manchin-coal-climate-conflicts.html

We need to deal with climate change. The worst thing Trump did was lie to people about starting up the coal industry again. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/sep/24/donald-trump-coal-miners-us-election =

We also have some procedural issues that need fixing. One senator should not be able to place a hold on an appointment out of spite. One senator should not be able to jeopardize the timing of aid to Ukraine.
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bear2be2 said:

He Hate Me said:

bear2be2 said:

Rawhide said:

C. Jordan said:

Rawhide said:

C. Jordan said:

boognish_bear said:

"We reject the certified results of the 2020 Presidential election, and we hold that acting President Joseph Robinette Biden Jr. was not legitimately elected by the people of the United States."


Complete.

Insanity.

Lost their grip on reality.

Total transformation into a Trump cult.
This hilarious. I said the exact same thing about BLM and the never Trump cult. Oh and the mask and vaccine cult too
Yeah. It's really delusional to, like, follow medical science and stuff.


Speaking of science, how's the whole guy/girl being a girl/guy thing going? You know, men can get pregnant. And the whole gay thing.... not following the science.
Are you suggesting same-sex attraction is anti-science. You should take a biology course sometimes.
Biology says that ramming something up your rectum is bad, ummm kay.
Biology says that homosexuality in humans is evolutionarily predictable. Because it occurs and has been observed in many, many species.

Fundies who get their science from Genesis should probably stay out of big boy conversations on science. That's a good way to make an ass of oneself.
Evolution says that the species does not benefit from homosexuality. People who believe in macroevolution should refrain from talking positively about homosexuality. And people who think that it is biologically beneficial to engage in homosexual conduct are simply ignorant.
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He Hate Me said:

bear2be2 said:

He Hate Me said:

bear2be2 said:

Rawhide said:

C. Jordan said:

Rawhide said:

C. Jordan said:

boognish_bear said:

"We reject the certified results of the 2020 Presidential election, and we hold that acting President Joseph Robinette Biden Jr. was not legitimately elected by the people of the United States."


Complete.

Insanity.

Lost their grip on reality.

Total transformation into a Trump cult.
This hilarious. I said the exact same thing about BLM and the never Trump cult. Oh and the mask and vaccine cult too
Yeah. It's really delusional to, like, follow medical science and stuff.


Speaking of science, how's the whole guy/girl being a girl/guy thing going? You know, men can get pregnant. And the whole gay thing.... not following the science.
Are you suggesting same-sex attraction is anti-science. You should take a biology course sometimes.
Biology says that ramming something up your rectum is bad, ummm kay.
Biology says that homosexuality in humans is evolutionarily predictable. Because it occurs and has been observed in many, many species.

Fundies who get their science from Genesis should probably stay out of big boy conversations on science. That's a good way to make an ass of oneself.
Evolution says that the species does not benefit from homosexuality. People who believe in macroevolution should refrain from talking positively about homosexuality. And people who think that it is biologically beneficial to engage in homosexual conduct are simply ignorant.
Whether species benefit from it or not is irrelevant. It occurs, and it's observable. The notion that it wouldn't naturally occur in the human species when it does in so many others instinctively is the anti-science view.
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bear2be2 said:

Rawhide said:

C. Jordan said:

Rawhide said:

C. Jordan said:

boognish_bear said:

"We reject the certified results of the 2020 Presidential election, and we hold that acting President Joseph Robinette Biden Jr. was not legitimately elected by the people of the United States."


Complete.

Insanity.

Lost their grip on reality.

Total transformation into a Trump cult.
This hilarious. I said the exact same thing about BLM and the never Trump cult. Oh and the mask and vaccine cult too
Yeah. It's really delusional to, like, follow medical science and stuff.


Speaking of science, how's the whole guy/girl being a girl/guy thing going? You know, men can get pregnant. And the whole gay thing.... not following the science.
Are you suggesting same-sex attraction is anti-science? You should take a biology course sometime. That's a naturally occurring phenomena in all sorts of species.
What about men getting pregnant thing? Or if you born one sex, you can choose to be another sex?

2 men can't procreate, 2 women can't procreate.... that's kind of sciency
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bear2be2 said:

He Hate Me said:

bear2be2 said:

He Hate Me said:

bear2be2 said:

Rawhide said:

C. Jordan said:

Rawhide said:

C. Jordan said:

boognish_bear said:

"We reject the certified results of the 2020 Presidential election, and we hold that acting President Joseph Robinette Biden Jr. was not legitimately elected by the people of the United States."


Complete.

Insanity.

Lost their grip on reality.

Total transformation into a Trump cult.
This hilarious. I said the exact same thing about BLM and the never Trump cult. Oh and the mask and vaccine cult too
Yeah. It's really delusional to, like, follow medical science and stuff.


Speaking of science, how's the whole guy/girl being a girl/guy thing going? You know, men can get pregnant. And the whole gay thing.... not following the science.
Are you suggesting same-sex attraction is anti-science. You should take a biology course sometimes.
Biology says that ramming something up your rectum is bad, ummm kay.
Biology says that homosexuality in humans is evolutionarily predictable. Because it occurs and has been observed in many, many species.

Fundies who get their science from Genesis should probably stay out of big boy conversations on science. That's a good way to make an ass of oneself.
Evolution says that the species does not benefit from homosexuality. People who believe in macroevolution should refrain from talking positively about homosexuality. And people who think that it is biologically beneficial to engage in homosexual conduct are simply ignorant.
Whether species benefit from it or not is irrelevant.
You failed evolution 101, little johnny. You should not be discussing this regardless of how much you enjoy it.
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bear2be2 said:

J.B.Katz said:

bear2be2 said:

J.B.Katz said:

bear2be2 said:




The Democrats may be less bad than the Republicans right now, but they present no great alternative for anyone who is not already linked to that party by tribal affiliation.
You'll get no argument from me.

Republicans are dominated by one very bad personality who has forced unity, but to a bad purpose: His own personal power.

Democrats lack coherent, unified leadership.

I don't blame that on Biden. He's not a dynamo, but I have less contempt for Biden than I do on some old-school Senate and Congressional leaders who aren't grappling with the new reality of the clear and present danger to American democracy Judge Luttig identified.

Biden is genuinely trying to lead at a time when that's hard not only b/c Republicans have tried to delegitimize his presidency (a strategy they employed very successfully with Obama, who was too cerebral and cool and calm and collected to fight fire with fire and counter the obstruction and blatant racism he and his family dealt with effectively).

I envision Biden as the overly patient parent of a bunch of truculent toddlers who is trying to walk forward while they're clinging to his legs kicking and screaming. The Senate won't pass measures to combat inflation / price gouging / other economic ills cuz that might make Biden look good & they want him to look worse than they do at the mid-terms. The balancing act of helping Ukraine is a hard one, since we only have Europe working with us. https://giphy.com/gifs/chordoverstreet-chord-overstreet-26FLgGTPUDH6UGAbm

Infrastructure would seem a no-brainer, but Republicans wouldn't vote for it b/c it would make Biden look good. Trump's attempt at an infrastructure initiative was half-hearted and he blew it up himself.

Obstruction has been McConnell's strategy since Obama was elected. At some point, people get tired of angry theater, gay-bashing, dog-whistle racism and reducing women to the status of "vessels" and they want to see some progress on bridges that don't collapse and parks that reflect thousands of years of natural heritage washing away in a couple of days and want to see some progress on basic survival issues. What's the Republican plan for that? More laws stopping confused kids from using the wrong bathroom?
Genuinely trying to do something you've proven incapable of doing isn't really a virtue. And the presidency is a results-driven, pass/fail job. Joe Biden has never in his overlong political career been a leader, and he's been a total failure in that capacity as president. It's OK to admit that. In fact, it's vital if the Democrats hope to move in a more positive direction in the future.
Joe Biden is a consensus builder.

That's how he leads.

You can't build consensus when the other party refuses flatly to work with you, and denies, even though they know better, that you even won the election.

The miracle is that he's accomplished as much as he has given the fact that he's had to do it in dealing with a Congress where about a third of the members claim to believe the Big Lie and more than that refuse to act like Biden is president b/c they care more about winning their next election and not getting primaried by Trump than they do about dealing with a global pandemic, climate change, a worldwide economy in free-fall, Putin invading Ukraine and committing war crimes, Xi shutting down China if there's a hint of COVID (I'm strongly in favor of masks and vax, but China's response to COVID is bizarre), Yellowstone washing away, Lake Mead evaporating, etc etc.

These guys are behaving like there's no tomorrow. I hope the 1-6 commission succeeds in preventing Trump from running for office and then we'll see if Republicans are going to continue to cater to goons and loons.
He's had a majority in both houses of congress the last two years.

We rightly made fun of Trump when he accomplished next to nothing legislatively with majorities in both houses of congress. We can't make excuses for Biden when the same thing happens.
You made fun of Trump for accomplishing nothing when he had rinos like Mccain and Paul Ryan trying to destroy anything he did? He also had the fraudulent Russia collusion thing trying to take him out. The guy had guns trained on him from every direction and still managed to survive. I'm honestly surprised they didnt take him out and im sure they had that option on the table.
bear2be2
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Rawhide said:

bear2be2 said:

Rawhide said:

C. Jordan said:

Rawhide said:

C. Jordan said:

boognish_bear said:

"We reject the certified results of the 2020 Presidential election, and we hold that acting President Joseph Robinette Biden Jr. was not legitimately elected by the people of the United States."


Complete.

Insanity.

Lost their grip on reality.

Total transformation into a Trump cult.
This hilarious. I said the exact same thing about BLM and the never Trump cult. Oh and the mask and vaccine cult too
Yeah. It's really delusional to, like, follow medical science and stuff.


Speaking of science, how's the whole guy/girl being a girl/guy thing going? You know, men can get pregnant. And the whole gay thing.... not following the science.
Are you suggesting same-sex attraction is anti-science? You should take a biology course sometime. That's a naturally occurring phenomena in all sorts of species.
What about men getting pregnant thing? Or if you born one sex, you can choose to be another sex?

2 men can't procreate, 2 women can't procreate.... that's kind of sciency
Those are two separate conversations. But you're the one that introduced "the whole gay thing" into the anti-science conversation.
bear2be2
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He Hate Me said:

bear2be2 said:

He Hate Me said:

bear2be2 said:

He Hate Me said:

bear2be2 said:

Rawhide said:

C. Jordan said:

Rawhide said:

C. Jordan said:

boognish_bear said:

"We reject the certified results of the 2020 Presidential election, and we hold that acting President Joseph Robinette Biden Jr. was not legitimately elected by the people of the United States."


Complete.

Insanity.

Lost their grip on reality.

Total transformation into a Trump cult.
This hilarious. I said the exact same thing about BLM and the never Trump cult. Oh and the mask and vaccine cult too
Yeah. It's really delusional to, like, follow medical science and stuff.


Speaking of science, how's the whole guy/girl being a girl/guy thing going? You know, men can get pregnant. And the whole gay thing.... not following the science.
Are you suggesting same-sex attraction is anti-science. You should take a biology course sometimes.
Biology says that ramming something up your rectum is bad, ummm kay.
Biology says that homosexuality in humans is evolutionarily predictable. Because it occurs and has been observed in many, many species.

Fundies who get their science from Genesis should probably stay out of big boy conversations on science. That's a good way to make an ass of oneself.
Evolution says that the species does not benefit from homosexuality. People who believe in macroevolution should refrain from talking positively about homosexuality. And people who think that it is biologically beneficial to engage in homosexual conduct are simply ignorant.
Whether species benefit from it or not is irrelevant.
You failed evolution 101, little johnny. You should not be discussing this regardless of how much you enjoy it.
Evolutionary paradoxes are still part of the evolutionary process. People have studied these things. Do some reading.

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/why-is-same-sex-sexual-behavior-so-common-in-animals/

https://www.yalescientific.org/2012/03/do-animals-exhibit-homosexuality/

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/homosexual-animals-debate

https://phys.org/news/2019-05-scientists-explore-evolution-animal-homosexuality.html
bear2be2
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muddybrazos said:

bear2be2 said:

J.B.Katz said:

bear2be2 said:

J.B.Katz said:

bear2be2 said:




The Democrats may be less bad than the Republicans right now, but they present no great alternative for anyone who is not already linked to that party by tribal affiliation.
You'll get no argument from me.

Republicans are dominated by one very bad personality who has forced unity, but to a bad purpose: His own personal power.

Democrats lack coherent, unified leadership.

I don't blame that on Biden. He's not a dynamo, but I have less contempt for Biden than I do on some old-school Senate and Congressional leaders who aren't grappling with the new reality of the clear and present danger to American democracy Judge Luttig identified.

Biden is genuinely trying to lead at a time when that's hard not only b/c Republicans have tried to delegitimize his presidency (a strategy they employed very successfully with Obama, who was too cerebral and cool and calm and collected to fight fire with fire and counter the obstruction and blatant racism he and his family dealt with effectively).

I envision Biden as the overly patient parent of a bunch of truculent toddlers who is trying to walk forward while they're clinging to his legs kicking and screaming. The Senate won't pass measures to combat inflation / price gouging / other economic ills cuz that might make Biden look good & they want him to look worse than they do at the mid-terms. The balancing act of helping Ukraine is a hard one, since we only have Europe working with us. https://giphy.com/gifs/chordoverstreet-chord-overstreet-26FLgGTPUDH6UGAbm

Infrastructure would seem a no-brainer, but Republicans wouldn't vote for it b/c it would make Biden look good. Trump's attempt at an infrastructure initiative was half-hearted and he blew it up himself.

Obstruction has been McConnell's strategy since Obama was elected. At some point, people get tired of angry theater, gay-bashing, dog-whistle racism and reducing women to the status of "vessels" and they want to see some progress on bridges that don't collapse and parks that reflect thousands of years of natural heritage washing away in a couple of days and want to see some progress on basic survival issues. What's the Republican plan for that? More laws stopping confused kids from using the wrong bathroom?
Genuinely trying to do something you've proven incapable of doing isn't really a virtue. And the presidency is a results-driven, pass/fail job. Joe Biden has never in his overlong political career been a leader, and he's been a total failure in that capacity as president. It's OK to admit that. In fact, it's vital if the Democrats hope to move in a more positive direction in the future.
Joe Biden is a consensus builder.

That's how he leads.

You can't build consensus when the other party refuses flatly to work with you, and denies, even though they know better, that you even won the election.

The miracle is that he's accomplished as much as he has given the fact that he's had to do it in dealing with a Congress where about a third of the members claim to believe the Big Lie and more than that refuse to act like Biden is president b/c they care more about winning their next election and not getting primaried by Trump than they do about dealing with a global pandemic, climate change, a worldwide economy in free-fall, Putin invading Ukraine and committing war crimes, Xi shutting down China if there's a hint of COVID (I'm strongly in favor of masks and vax, but China's response to COVID is bizarre), Yellowstone washing away, Lake Mead evaporating, etc etc.

These guys are behaving like there's no tomorrow. I hope the 1-6 commission succeeds in preventing Trump from running for office and then we'll see if Republicans are going to continue to cater to goons and loons.
He's had a majority in both houses of congress the last two years.

We rightly made fun of Trump when he accomplished next to nothing legislatively with majorities in both houses of congress. We can't make excuses for Biden when the same thing happens.
You made fun of Trump for accomplishing nothing when he had rinos like Mccain and Paul Ryan trying to destroy anything he did? He also had the fraudulent Russia collusion thing trying to take him out. The guy had guns trained on him from every direction and still managed to survive. I'm honestly surprised they didnt take him out and im sure they had that option on the table.
Those sound an awful lot like excuses. Not unlike the excuses being made by some Democrats for Biden.
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bear2be2 said:

He Hate Me said:

bear2be2 said:

He Hate Me said:

bear2be2 said:

He Hate Me said:

bear2be2 said:

Rawhide said:

C. Jordan said:

Rawhide said:

C. Jordan said:

boognish_bear said:

"We reject the certified results of the 2020 Presidential election, and we hold that acting President Joseph Robinette Biden Jr. was not legitimately elected by the people of the United States."


Complete.

Insanity.

Lost their grip on reality.

Total transformation into a Trump cult.
This hilarious. I said the exact same thing about BLM and the never Trump cult. Oh and the mask and vaccine cult too
Yeah. It's really delusional to, like, follow medical science and stuff.


Speaking of science, how's the whole guy/girl being a girl/guy thing going? You know, men can get pregnant. And the whole gay thing.... not following the science.
Are you suggesting same-sex attraction is anti-science. You should take a biology course sometimes.
Biology says that ramming something up your rectum is bad, ummm kay.
Biology says that homosexuality in humans is evolutionarily predictable. Because it occurs and has been observed in many, many species.

Fundies who get their science from Genesis should probably stay out of big boy conversations on science. That's a good way to make an ass of oneself.
Evolution says that the species does not benefit from homosexuality. People who believe in macroevolution should refrain from talking positively about homosexuality. And people who think that it is biologically beneficial to engage in homosexual conduct are simply ignorant.
Whether species benefit from it or not is irrelevant.
You failed evolution 101, little johnny. You should not be discussing this regardless of how much you enjoy it.
Evolutionary paradoxes are still part of the evolutionary process. People have studied these things. Do some reading.

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/why-is-same-sex-sexual-behavior-so-common-in-animals/

https://www.yalescientific.org/2012/03/do-animals-exhibit-homosexuality/

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/homosexual-animals-debate

https://phys.org/news/2019-05-scientists-explore-evolution-animal-homosexuality.html


People may have studied these things, butt you are not one of them.
 
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