bear2be2 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Bearupnobly said:

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The convention voted to request a referendum on the question of secession. That would be a dangerous step to take in our representative democracy.

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They've already seceded from reality.

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It's crazy to me that Republicans can watch all of this happen around them and not be concerned by the direction of their party. I can only conclude that most are along for the ride because they want to be at this point.

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They say 70 percent of Republicans believe Biden lost. Whether the party leaders believe it or they're just selling crazy for political gain, I don't know. Either thought is disturbing.

Sam Lowry said:

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Bearupnobly said:

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The convention voted to request a referendum on the question of secession. That would be a dangerous step to take in our representative democracy.

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They've already seceded from reality.

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funny Sam! i like funny Sam

bear2be2 said:

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Amal Shuq-Up said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Bearupnobly said:

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The convention voted to request a referendum on the question of secession. That would be a dangerous step to take in our representative democracy.

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They've already seceded from reality.

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It's crazy to me that Republicans can watch all of this happen around them and not be concerned by the direction of their party. I can only conclude that most are along for the ride because they want to be at this point.

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Take care of your own mess.

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I don't have a mess. I'm not beholden to any political party. I'm content to spend the rest of my life voting for moderates in primary elections writing in protest votes in the general. I'd rather not have to, but I'd prefer do that than overlook obvious insanity out of silly tribal affiliation.

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Yeah, right. You are of leftist persuasion and leftists have a home in today's Democrat party. Go try to influence that dumpster fire.

Get in where you fit in.

bear2be2 said:

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Scoffing at the "reality-based community," conjuring Iraqi WMD, denying a "plandemic," imagining coups where none exist...the GOP just keeps getting weirder.

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Yes, better sit out the remaining elections in protest, and ensure that an even more ridiculous and destructive party wins all future national elections.

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This post quite perfectly encapsulates the perils of a two-party political system and binary choice. It erodes accountability to the point that you devolve into what we have now, a literal race to the bottom.

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Democrats argue about policy. AOC / Sanders want a level of social support that's simply not possible or practical in today's America. Moderates (inclu me) want investments in infrastructure and policies to address climate change.

When Yellowstone Park is washing away, Houston, we got a problem.

But Republicans still won't acknowledge we need to do anything but ramp up fossil fuels and, maybe (lots of them didn't vote for infrastructure) build seawalls. Which, IMO, is like building sandcastle fortresses.

For Republicans, it's all about Trump.

Liz Cheney, one of the most fiscally conservative Republicans in Congress and a woman who threw her own lesbian sister under the bus to support GOP anti-gay social policies, is a RINO b/c she acknowledges that Trump lost the election and is actually interested in policy as opposed to slavish loyalty.

I am appalled that so many smart people (Cruz is smart, just corrupt and craven, and Abbott and Cornyn certainly know better but are too cowardly to buck the Trump red tide) have capitulated to Trump's leadership.

Liz Cheney, and to a much lesser degree, Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan, have earned my respect. Romney hasn't done enough to stop a once sensible, if overly hawkish, party from becoming the party of Trump, but he did vote to impeach Trump. Ryan saw the handwriting on the wall and got out rather than be a Trump tool when he could have taken a stand like Cheney.

We can start with the "both sides are culpable for running stupid cadidates" (indeed they are-until 2016, I'd voted both sides of the ticket for years in search of smart people whose vocation for public service and grasp of public policy was stronger than their desire for power and public adulation) and the "both sides fail to work together on sensible policies designed to move the country forward" arguments AFTER the GOP deals with its Trump problem.

Its failure to do that may cost us American democracy, and it's clear that lots of posters on this site have no problem whatsoever with that as long as Trump and his shameless puppets like Ted Cruz are in control.

J.B.Katz said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Scoffing at the "reality-based community," conjuring Iraqi WMD, denying a "plandemic," imagining coups where none exist...the GOP just keeps getting weirder.

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Yes, better sit out the remaining elections in protest, and ensure that an even more ridiculous and destructive party wins all future national elections.

---

This post quite perfectly encapsulates the perils of a two-party political system and binary choice. It erodes accountability to the point that you devolve into what we have now, a literal race to the bottom.

---

Democrats argue about policy. AOC / Sanders want a level of social support that's simply not possible or practical in today's America. Moderates (inclu me) want investments in infrastructure and policies to address climate change.

When Yellowstone Park is washing away, Houston, we got a problem.

But Republicans still won't acknowledge we need to do anything but ramp up fossil fuels and, maybe (lots of them didn't vote for infrastructure) build seawalls. Which, IMO, is like building sandcastle fortresses.

For Republicans, it's all about Trump.

Liz Cheney, one of the most fiscally conservative Republicans in Congress and a woman who threw her own lesbian sister under the bus to support GOP anti-gay social policies, is a RINO b/c she acknowledges that Trump lost the election and is actually interested in policy as opposed to slavish loyalty.

I am appalled that so many smart people (Cruz is smart, just corrupt and craven, and Abbott and Cornyn certainly know better but are too cowardly to buck the Trump red tide) have capitulated to Trump's leadership.

Liz Cheney, and to a much lesser degree, Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan, have earned my respect. Romney hasn't done enough to stop a once sensible, if overly hawkish, party from becoming the party of Trump, but he did vote to impeach Trump. Ryan saw the handwriting on the wall and got out rather than be a Trump tool when he could have taken a stand like Cheney.

We can start with the "both sides are culpable for running stupid cadidates" (indeed they are-until 2016, I'd voted both sides of the ticket for years in search of smart people whose vocation for public service and grasp of public policy was stronger than their desire for power and public adulation) and the "both sides fail to work together on sensible policies designed to move the country forward" arguments AFTER the GOP deals with its Trump problem.

Its failure to do that may cost us American democracy, and it's clear that lots of posters on this site have no problem whatsoever with that as long as Trump and his shameless puppets like Ted Cruz are in control.

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TLDR

Amal Shuq-Up said:

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J.B.Katz said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Scoffing at the "reality-based community," conjuring Iraqi WMD, denying a "plandemic," imagining coups where none exist...the GOP just keeps getting weirder.

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Yes, better sit out the remaining elections in protest, and ensure that an even more ridiculous and destructive party wins all future national elections.

---

This post quite perfectly encapsulates the perils of a two-party political system and binary choice. It erodes accountability to the point that you devolve into what we have now, a literal race to the bottom.

---

Democrats argue about policy. AOC / Sanders want a level of social support that's simply not possible or practical in today's America. Moderates (inclu me) want investments in infrastructure and policies to address climate change.

When Yellowstone Park is washing away, Houston, we got a problem.

But Republicans still won't acknowledge we need to do anything but ramp up fossil fuels and, maybe (lots of them didn't vote for infrastructure) build seawalls. Which, IMO, is like building sandcastle fortresses.

For Republicans, it's all about Trump.

Liz Cheney, one of the most fiscally conservative Republicans in Congress and a woman who threw her own lesbian sister under the bus to support GOP anti-gay social policies, is a RINO b/c she acknowledges that Trump lost the election and is actually interested in policy as opposed to slavish loyalty.

I am appalled that so many smart people (Cruz is smart, just corrupt and craven, and Abbott and Cornyn certainly know better but are too cowardly to buck the Trump red tide) have capitulated to Trump's leadership.

Liz Cheney, and to a much lesser degree, Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan, have earned my respect. Romney hasn't done enough to stop a once sensible, if overly hawkish, party from becoming the party of Trump, but he did vote to impeach Trump. Ryan saw the handwriting on the wall and got out rather than be a Trump tool when he could have taken a stand like Cheney.

We can start with the "both sides are culpable for running stupid cadidates" (indeed they are-until 2016, I'd voted both sides of the ticket for years in search of smart people whose vocation for public service and grasp of public policy was stronger than their desire for power and public adulation) and the "both sides fail to work together on sensible policies designed to move the country forward" arguments AFTER the GOP deals with its Trump problem.

Its failure to do that may cost us American democracy, and it's clear that lots of posters on this site have no problem whatsoever with that as long as Trump and his shameless puppets like Ted Cruz are in control.

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TLDR

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Son, do you read anything not published on right-wing Twitter, Fox or Brietbart?

J.B.Katz said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Scoffing at the "reality-based community," conjuring Iraqi WMD, denying a "plandemic," imagining coups where none exist...the GOP just keeps getting weirder.

---

Yes, better sit out the remaining elections in protest, and ensure that an even more ridiculous and destructive party wins all future national elections.

---

This post quite perfectly encapsulates the perils of a two-party political system and binary choice. It erodes accountability to the point that you devolve into what we have now, a literal race to the bottom.

---

Democrats argue about policy. AOC / Sanders want a level of social support that's simply not possible or practical in today's America. Moderates (inclu me) want investments in infrastructure and policies to address climate change.

When Yellowstone Park is washing away, Houston, we got a problem.

But Republicans still won't acknowledge we need to do anything but ramp up fossil fuels and, maybe (lots of them didn't vote for infrastructure) build seawalls. Which, IMO, is like building sandcastle fortresses.

For Republicans, it's all about Trump.

Liz Cheney, one of the most fiscally conservative Republicans in Congress and a woman who threw her own lesbian sister under the bus to support GOP anti-gay social policies, is a RINO b/c she acknowledges that Trump lost the election and is actually interested in policy as opposed to slavish loyalty.

I am appalled that so many smart people (Cruz is smart, just corrupt and craven, and Abbott and Cornyn certainly know better but are too cowardly to buck the Trump red tide) have capitulated to Trump's leadership.

Liz Cheney, and to a much lesser degree, Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan, have earned my respect. Romney hasn't done enough to stop a once sensible, if overly hawkish, party from becoming the party of Trump, but he did vote to impeach Trump. Ryan saw the handwriting on the wall and got out rather than be a Trump tool when he could have taken a stand like Cheney.

We can start with the "both sides are culpable for running stupid cadidates" (indeed they are-until 2016, I'd voted both sides of the ticket for years in search of smart people whose vocation for public service and grasp of public policy was stronger than their desire for power and public adulation) and the "both sides fail to work together on sensible policies designed to move the country forward" arguments AFTER the GOP deals with its Trump problem.

Its failure to do that may cost us American democracy, and it's clear that lots of posters on this site have no problem whatsoever with that as long as Trump and his shameless puppets like Ted Cruz are in control.

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I won't argue with you about who is the greatest threat right now. But if you don't think the Democrats have a host of their own issues, you're lying to yourself. Y'all's last two presidential candidates have been Hillary Clinton (the only candidate on the planet who could have lost to Trump in 2016) and Joe Biden (an almost 80-year-old career dufus). Most new ideas out of the left fall somewhere between naive and bad, and you can't unite your caucus enough to get anything done when in power.

The Democrats may be less bad than the Republicans right now, but they present no great alternative for anyone who is not already linked to that party by tribal affiliation.

J.B.Katz said:

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Amal Shuq-Up said:

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J.B.Katz said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Scoffing at the "reality-based community," conjuring Iraqi WMD, denying a "plandemic," imagining coups where none exist...the GOP just keeps getting weirder.

---

Yes, better sit out the remaining elections in protest, and ensure that an even more ridiculous and destructive party wins all future national elections.

---

This post quite perfectly encapsulates the perils of a two-party political system and binary choice. It erodes accountability to the point that you devolve into what we have now, a literal race to the bottom.

---

Democrats argue about policy. AOC / Sanders want a level of social support that's simply not possible or practical in today's America. Moderates (inclu me) want investments in infrastructure and policies to address climate change.

When Yellowstone Park is washing away, Houston, we got a problem.

But Republicans still won't acknowledge we need to do anything but ramp up fossil fuels and, maybe (lots of them didn't vote for infrastructure) build seawalls. Which, IMO, is like building sandcastle fortresses.

For Republicans, it's all about Trump.

Liz Cheney, one of the most fiscally conservative Republicans in Congress and a woman who threw her own lesbian sister under the bus to support GOP anti-gay social policies, is a RINO b/c she acknowledges that Trump lost the election and is actually interested in policy as opposed to slavish loyalty.

I am appalled that so many smart people (Cruz is smart, just corrupt and craven, and Abbott and Cornyn certainly know better but are too cowardly to buck the Trump red tide) have capitulated to Trump's leadership.

Liz Cheney, and to a much lesser degree, Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan, have earned my respect. Romney hasn't done enough to stop a once sensible, if overly hawkish, party from becoming the party of Trump, but he did vote to impeach Trump. Ryan saw the handwriting on the wall and got out rather than be a Trump tool when he could have taken a stand like Cheney.

We can start with the "both sides are culpable for running stupid cadidates" (indeed they are-until 2016, I'd voted both sides of the ticket for years in search of smart people whose vocation for public service and grasp of public policy was stronger than their desire for power and public adulation) and the "both sides fail to work together on sensible policies designed to move the country forward" arguments AFTER the GOP deals with its Trump problem.

Its failure to do that may cost us American democracy, and it's clear that lots of posters on this site have no problem whatsoever with that as long as Trump and his shameless puppets like Ted Cruz are in control.

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TLDR

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Son, do you read anything not published on right-wing Twitter, Fox or Brietbart?

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Yes granny. I read a lot of things. Just not verbose spam posted by the likes of you.

bear2be2 said:

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The Democrats may be less bad than the Republicans right now, but they present no great alternative for anyone who is not already linked to that party by tribal affiliation.

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You'll get no argument from me.

Republicans are dominated by one very bad personality who has forced unity, but to a bad purpose: His own personal power.

Democrats lack coherent, unified leadership.

I don't blame that on Biden. He's not a dynamo, but I have less contempt for Biden than I do on some old-school Senate and Congressional leaders who aren't grappling with the new reality of the clear and present danger to American democracy Judge Luttig identified.

Biden is genuinely trying to lead at a time when that's hard not only b/c Republicans have tried to delegitimize his presidency (a strategy they employed very successfully with Obama, who was too cerebral and cool and calm and collected to fight fire with fire and counter the obstruction and blatant racism he and his family dealt with effectively).

I envision Biden as the overly patient parent of a bunch of truculent toddlers who is trying to walk forward while they're clinging to his legs kicking and screaming. The Senate won't pass measures to combat inflation / price gouging / other economic ills cuz that might make Biden look good & they want him to look worse than they do at the mid-terms. The balancing act of helping Ukraine is a hard one, since we only have Europe working with us. https://giphy.com/gifs/chordoverstreet-chord-overstreet-26FLgGTPUDH6UGAbm

Infrastructure would seem a no-brainer, but Republicans wouldn't vote for it b/c it would make Biden look good. Trump's attempt at an infrastructure initiative was half-hearted and he blew it up himself.

Obstruction has been McConnell's strategy since Obama was elected. At some point, people get tired of angry theater, gay-bashing, dog-whistle racism and reducing women to the status of "vessels" and they want to see some progress on bridges that don't collapse and parks that reflect thousands of years of natural heritage washing away in a couple of days and want to see some progress on basic survival issues. What's the Republican plan for that? More laws stopping confused kids from using the wrong bathroom?

C. Jordan said:

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boognish_bear said:

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"We reject the certified results of the 2020 Presidential election, and we hold that acting President Joseph Robinette Biden Jr. was not legitimately elected by the people of the United States."

Texas GOP formally adopts platform that rejects legitimacy of Biden win. https://t.co/emtJ7y6GTG

— David Folkenflik (@davidfolkenflik) June 19, 2022

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Complete.

Insanity.

Lost their grip on reality.

Total transformation into a Trump cult.

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This hilarious. I said the exact same thing about BLM and the never Trump cult. Oh and the mask and vaccine cult too

bear2be2 said:

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J.B.Katz said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Scoffing at the "reality-based community," conjuring Iraqi WMD, denying a "plandemic," imagining coups where none exist...the GOP just keeps getting weirder.

---

Yes, better sit out the remaining elections in protest, and ensure that an even more ridiculous and destructive party wins all future national elections.

---

This post quite perfectly encapsulates the perils of a two-party political system and binary choice. It erodes accountability to the point that you devolve into what we have now, a literal race to the bottom.

---

Democrats argue about policy. AOC / Sanders want a level of social support that's simply not possible or practical in today's America. Moderates (inclu me) want investments in infrastructure and policies to address climate change.

When Yellowstone Park is washing away, Houston, we got a problem.

But Republicans still won't acknowledge we need to do anything but ramp up fossil fuels and, maybe (lots of them didn't vote for infrastructure) build seawalls. Which, IMO, is like building sandcastle fortresses.

For Republicans, it's all about Trump.

Liz Cheney, one of the most fiscally conservative Republicans in Congress and a woman who threw her own lesbian sister under the bus to support GOP anti-gay social policies, is a RINO b/c she acknowledges that Trump lost the election and is actually interested in policy as opposed to slavish loyalty.

I am appalled that so many smart people (Cruz is smart, just corrupt and craven, and Abbott and Cornyn certainly know better but are too cowardly to buck the Trump red tide) have capitulated to Trump's leadership.

Liz Cheney, and to a much lesser degree, Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan, have earned my respect. Romney hasn't done enough to stop a once sensible, if overly hawkish, party from becoming the party of Trump, but he did vote to impeach Trump. Ryan saw the handwriting on the wall and got out rather than be a Trump tool when he could have taken a stand like Cheney.

We can start with the "both sides are culpable for running stupid cadidates" (indeed they are-until 2016, I'd voted both sides of the ticket for years in search of smart people whose vocation for public service and grasp of public policy was stronger than their desire for power and public adulation) and the "both sides fail to work together on sensible policies designed to move the country forward" arguments AFTER the GOP deals with its Trump problem.

Its failure to do that may cost us American democracy, and it's clear that lots of posters on this site have no problem whatsoever with that as long as Trump and his shameless puppets like Ted Cruz are in control.

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I won't argue with you about who is the greatest threat right now. But if you don't think the Democrats have a host of their own issues, you're lying to yourself. Y'all's last two presidential candidates have been Hillary Clinton (the only candidate on the planet who could have lost to Trump in 2016) and Joe Biden (an almost 80-year-old career dufus). Most new ideas out of the left fall somewhere between naive and bad, and you can't unite your caucus enough to get anything done when in power.

The Democrats may be less bad than the Republicans right now, but they present no great alternative for anyone who is not already linked to that party by tribal affiliation.

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Democrats and Neocon Repubs are exactly the same. They just want big govt spending, wars and status quo. They hated Trump bc he is not one of them and was a threat to the system. This is why HW BUsh and GW Bush supported Hillary. They're a club and do not want to lose their power. It's pretty clear to most that using big tech to alter search result, the MSM to bury negative stories and changing the voter drop box rules they did just enough to get Bidens dead ass over the finish line.

bear2be2 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Bearupnobly said:

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The convention voted to request a referendum on the question of secession. That would be a dangerous step to take in our representative democracy.

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They've already seceded from reality.

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It's crazy to me that Republicans can watch all of this happen around them and not be concerned by the direction of their party. I can only conclude that most are along for the ride because they want to be at this point.

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Funny, I've said the exact same think about democrats and their party.

bear2be2 said:

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Amal Shuq-Up said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Bearupnobly said:

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The convention voted to request a referendum on the question of secession. That would be a dangerous step to take in our representative democracy.

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They've already seceded from reality.

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It's crazy to me that Republicans can watch all of this happen around them and not be concerned by the direction of their party. I can only conclude that most are along for the ride because they want to be at this point.

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Take care of your own mess.

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I don't have a mess. I'm not beholden to any political party. I'm content to spend the rest of my life voting for moderates in primary elections writing in protest votes in the general. I'd rather not have to, but I'd prefer do that than overlook obvious insanity out of silly tribal affiliation.

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So you won't be voting for biden again? How about hillary or kamal or buttigieg?

Sam Lowry said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Bearupnobly said:

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The convention voted to request a referendum on the question of secession. That would be a dangerous step to take in our representative democracy.

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They've already seceded from reality.

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It's crazy to me that Republicans can watch all of this happen around them and not be concerned by the direction of their party. I can only conclude that most are along for the ride because they want to be at this point.

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They say 70 percent of Republicans believe Biden lost. Whether the party leaders believe it or they're just selling crazy for political gain, I don't know. Either thought is disturbing.

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And 90%+ democrat lefties still to this day, will try to convince you that Trump was an illegitimate president because he colluded with Russia

J.B.Katz said:

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Amal Shuq-Up said:

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J.B.Katz said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Scoffing at the "reality-based community," conjuring Iraqi WMD, denying a "plandemic," imagining coups where none exist...the GOP just keeps getting weirder.

---

Yes, better sit out the remaining elections in protest, and ensure that an even more ridiculous and destructive party wins all future national elections.

---

This post quite perfectly encapsulates the perils of a two-party political system and binary choice. It erodes accountability to the point that you devolve into what we have now, a literal race to the bottom.

---

Democrats argue about policy. AOC / Sanders want a level of social support that's simply not possible or practical in today's America. Moderates (inclu me) want investments in infrastructure and policies to address climate change.

When Yellowstone Park is washing away, Houston, we got a problem.

But Republicans still won't acknowledge we need to do anything but ramp up fossil fuels and, maybe (lots of them didn't vote for infrastructure) build seawalls. Which, IMO, is like building sandcastle fortresses.

For Republicans, it's all about Trump.

Liz Cheney, one of the most fiscally conservative Republicans in Congress and a woman who threw her own lesbian sister under the bus to support GOP anti-gay social policies, is a RINO b/c she acknowledges that Trump lost the election and is actually interested in policy as opposed to slavish loyalty.

I am appalled that so many smart people (Cruz is smart, just corrupt and craven, and Abbott and Cornyn certainly know better but are too cowardly to buck the Trump red tide) have capitulated to Trump's leadership.

Liz Cheney, and to a much lesser degree, Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan, have earned my respect. Romney hasn't done enough to stop a once sensible, if overly hawkish, party from becoming the party of Trump, but he did vote to impeach Trump. Ryan saw the handwriting on the wall and got out rather than be a Trump tool when he could have taken a stand like Cheney.

We can start with the "both sides are culpable for running stupid cadidates" (indeed they are-until 2016, I'd voted both sides of the ticket for years in search of smart people whose vocation for public service and grasp of public policy was stronger than their desire for power and public adulation) and the "both sides fail to work together on sensible policies designed to move the country forward" arguments AFTER the GOP deals with its Trump problem.

Its failure to do that may cost us American democracy, and it's clear that lots of posters on this site have no problem whatsoever with that as long as Trump and his shameless puppets like Ted Cruz are in control.

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TLDR

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Son, do you read anything not published on right-wing Twitter, Fox or Brietbart?

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spoken like a true copy/paste queen

bear2be2 said:

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J.B.Katz said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Scoffing at the "reality-based community," conjuring Iraqi WMD, denying a "plandemic," imagining coups where none exist...the GOP just keeps getting weirder.

---

Yes, better sit out the remaining elections in protest, and ensure that an even more ridiculous and destructive party wins all future national elections.

---

This post quite perfectly encapsulates the perils of a two-party political system and binary choice. It erodes accountability to the point that you devolve into what we have now, a literal race to the bottom.

---

Democrats argue about policy. AOC / Sanders want a level of social support that's simply not possible or practical in today's America. Moderates (inclu me) want investments in infrastructure and policies to address climate change.

When Yellowstone Park is washing away, Houston, we got a problem.

But Republicans still won't acknowledge we need to do anything but ramp up fossil fuels and, maybe (lots of them didn't vote for infrastructure) build seawalls. Which, IMO, is like building sandcastle fortresses.

For Republicans, it's all about Trump.

Liz Cheney, one of the most fiscally conservative Republicans in Congress and a woman who threw her own lesbian sister under the bus to support GOP anti-gay social policies, is a RINO b/c she acknowledges that Trump lost the election and is actually interested in policy as opposed to slavish loyalty.

I am appalled that so many smart people (Cruz is smart, just corrupt and craven, and Abbott and Cornyn certainly know better but are too cowardly to buck the Trump red tide) have capitulated to Trump's leadership.

Liz Cheney, and to a much lesser degree, Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan, have earned my respect. Romney hasn't done enough to stop a once sensible, if overly hawkish, party from becoming the party of Trump, but he did vote to impeach Trump. Ryan saw the handwriting on the wall and got out rather than be a Trump tool when he could have taken a stand like Cheney.

We can start with the "both sides are culpable for running stupid cadidates" (indeed they are-until 2016, I'd voted both sides of the ticket for years in search of smart people whose vocation for public service and grasp of public policy was stronger than their desire for power and public adulation) and the "both sides fail to work together on sensible policies designed to move the country forward" arguments AFTER the GOP deals with its Trump problem.

Its failure to do that may cost us American democracy, and it's clear that lots of posters on this site have no problem whatsoever with that as long as Trump and his shameless puppets like Ted Cruz are in control.

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I won't argue with you about who is the greatest threat right now. But if you don't think the Democrats have a host of their own issues, you're lying to yourself. Y'all's last two presidential candidates have been Hillary Clinton (the only candidate on the planet who could have lost to Trump in 2016) and Joe Biden (an almost 80-year-old career dufus). Most new ideas out of the left fall somewhere between naive and bad, and you can't unite your caucus enough to get anything done when in power.

The Democrats may be less bad than the Republicans right now, but they present no great alternative for anyone who is not already linked to that party by tribal affiliation.

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democrats less bad than republicans? That's the funniest crap I've read all day

J.B.Katz said:

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bear2be2 said:

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The Democrats may be less bad than the Republicans right now, but they present no great alternative for anyone who is not already linked to that party by tribal affiliation.

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You'll get no argument from me.

Republicans are dominated by one very bad personality who has forced unity, but to a bad purpose: His own personal power.

Democrats lack coherent, unified leadership.

I don't blame that on Biden. He's not a dynamo, but I have less contempt for Biden than I do on some old-school Senate and Congressional leaders who aren't grappling with the new reality of the clear and present danger to American democracy Judge Luttig identified.

Biden is genuinely trying to lead at a time when that's hard not only b/c Republicans have tried to delegitimize his presidency (a strategy they employed very successfully with Obama, who was too cerebral and cool and calm and collected to fight fire with fire and counter the obstruction and blatant racism he and his family dealt with effectively).

I envision Biden as the overly patient parent of a bunch of truculent toddlers who is trying to walk forward while they're clinging to his legs kicking and screaming. The Senate won't pass measures to combat inflation / price gouging / other economic ills cuz that might make Biden look good & they want him to look worse than they do at the mid-terms. The balancing act of helping Ukraine is a hard one, since we only have Europe working with us. https://giphy.com/gifs/chordoverstreet-chord-overstreet-26FLgGTPUDH6UGAbm

Infrastructure would seem a no-brainer, but Republicans wouldn't vote for it b/c it would make Biden look good. Trump's attempt at an infrastructure initiative was half-hearted and he blew it up himself.

Obstruction has been McConnell's strategy since Obama was elected. At some point, people get tired of angry theater, gay-bashing, dog-whistle racism and reducing women to the status of "vessels" and they want to see some progress on bridges that don't collapse and parks that reflect thousands of years of natural heritage washing away in a couple of days and want to see some progress on basic survival issues. What's the Republican plan for that? More laws stopping confused kids from using the wrong bathroom?

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Genuinely trying to do something you've proven incapable of doing isn't really a virtue. And the presidency is a results-driven, pass/fail job. Joe Biden has never in his overlong political career been a leader, and he's been a total failure in that capacity as president. It's OK to admit that. In fact, it's vital if the Democrats hope to move in a more positive direction in the future.

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bear2be2 said:

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J.B.Katz said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Scoffing at the "reality-based community," conjuring Iraqi WMD, denying a "plandemic," imagining coups where none exist...the GOP just keeps getting weirder.

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Yes, better sit out the remaining elections in protest, and ensure that an even more ridiculous and destructive party wins all future national elections.

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This post quite perfectly encapsulates the perils of a two-party political system and binary choice. It erodes accountability to the point that you devolve into what we have now, a literal race to the bottom.

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Democrats argue about policy. AOC / Sanders want a level of social support that's simply not possible or practical in today's America. Moderates (inclu me) want investments in infrastructure and policies to address climate change.

When Yellowstone Park is washing away, Houston, we got a problem.

But Republicans still won't acknowledge we need to do anything but ramp up fossil fuels and, maybe (lots of them didn't vote for infrastructure) build seawalls. Which, IMO, is like building sandcastle fortresses.

For Republicans, it's all about Trump.

Liz Cheney, one of the most fiscally conservative Republicans in Congress and a woman who threw her own lesbian sister under the bus to support GOP anti-gay social policies, is a RINO b/c she acknowledges that Trump lost the election and is actually interested in policy as opposed to slavish loyalty.

I am appalled that so many smart people (Cruz is smart, just corrupt and craven, and Abbott and Cornyn certainly know better but are too cowardly to buck the Trump red tide) have capitulated to Trump's leadership.

Liz Cheney, and to a much lesser degree, Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan, have earned my respect. Romney hasn't done enough to stop a once sensible, if overly hawkish, party from becoming the party of Trump, but he did vote to impeach Trump. Ryan saw the handwriting on the wall and got out rather than be a Trump tool when he could have taken a stand like Cheney.

We can start with the "both sides are culpable for running stupid cadidates" (indeed they are-until 2016, I'd voted both sides of the ticket for years in search of smart people whose vocation for public service and grasp of public policy was stronger than their desire for power and public adulation) and the "both sides fail to work together on sensible policies designed to move the country forward" arguments AFTER the GOP deals with its Trump problem.

Its failure to do that may cost us American democracy, and it's clear that lots of posters on this site have no problem whatsoever with that as long as Trump and his shameless puppets like Ted Cruz are in control.

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I won't argue with you about who is the greatest threat right now. But if you don't think the Democrats have a host of their own issues, you're lying to yourself. Y'all's last two presidential candidates have been Hillary Clinton (the only candidate on the planet who could have lost to Trump in 2016) and Joe Biden (an almost 80-year-old career dufus). Most new ideas out of the left fall somewhere between naive and bad, and you can't unite your caucus enough to get anything done when in power.

The Democrats may be less bad than the Republicans right now, but they present no great alternative for anyone who is not already linked to that party by tribal affiliation.

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Democrats and Neocon Repubs are exactly the same. They just want big govt spending, wars and status quo. They hated Trump bc he is not one of them and was a threat to the system. This is why HW BUsh and GW Bush supported Hillary. They're a club and do not want to lose their power. It's pretty clear to most that using big tech to alter search result, the MSM to bury negative stories and changing the voter drop box rules they did just enough to get Bidens dead ass over the finish line.

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Are you trying to suggest Trump wasn't for big government spending? Odd take considering his record to the contrary.

bear2be2 said:

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muddybrazos said:

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bear2be2 said:

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J.B.Katz said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Scoffing at the "reality-based community," conjuring Iraqi WMD, denying a "plandemic," imagining coups where none exist...the GOP just keeps getting weirder.

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Yes, better sit out the remaining elections in protest, and ensure that an even more ridiculous and destructive party wins all future national elections.

---

This post quite perfectly encapsulates the perils of a two-party political system and binary choice. It erodes accountability to the point that you devolve into what we have now, a literal race to the bottom.

---

Democrats argue about policy. AOC / Sanders want a level of social support that's simply not possible or practical in today's America. Moderates (inclu me) want investments in infrastructure and policies to address climate change.

When Yellowstone Park is washing away, Houston, we got a problem.

But Republicans still won't acknowledge we need to do anything but ramp up fossil fuels and, maybe (lots of them didn't vote for infrastructure) build seawalls. Which, IMO, is like building sandcastle fortresses.

For Republicans, it's all about Trump.

Liz Cheney, one of the most fiscally conservative Republicans in Congress and a woman who threw her own lesbian sister under the bus to support GOP anti-gay social policies, is a RINO b/c she acknowledges that Trump lost the election and is actually interested in policy as opposed to slavish loyalty.

I am appalled that so many smart people (Cruz is smart, just corrupt and craven, and Abbott and Cornyn certainly know better but are too cowardly to buck the Trump red tide) have capitulated to Trump's leadership.

Liz Cheney, and to a much lesser degree, Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan, have earned my respect. Romney hasn't done enough to stop a once sensible, if overly hawkish, party from becoming the party of Trump, but he did vote to impeach Trump. Ryan saw the handwriting on the wall and got out rather than be a Trump tool when he could have taken a stand like Cheney.

We can start with the "both sides are culpable for running stupid cadidates" (indeed they are-until 2016, I'd voted both sides of the ticket for years in search of smart people whose vocation for public service and grasp of public policy was stronger than their desire for power and public adulation) and the "both sides fail to work together on sensible policies designed to move the country forward" arguments AFTER the GOP deals with its Trump problem.

Its failure to do that may cost us American democracy, and it's clear that lots of posters on this site have no problem whatsoever with that as long as Trump and his shameless puppets like Ted Cruz are in control.

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I won't argue with you about who is the greatest threat right now. But if you don't think the Democrats have a host of their own issues, you're lying to yourself. Y'all's last two presidential candidates have been Hillary Clinton (the only candidate on the planet who could have lost to Trump in 2016) and Joe Biden (an almost 80-year-old career dufus). Most new ideas out of the left fall somewhere between naive and bad, and you can't unite your caucus enough to get anything done when in power.

The Democrats may be less bad than the Republicans right now, but they present no great alternative for anyone who is not already linked to that party by tribal affiliation.

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Democrats and Neocon Repubs are exactly the same. They just want big govt spending, wars and status quo. They hated Trump bc he is not one of them and was a threat to the system. This is why HW BUsh and GW Bush supported Hillary. They're a club and do not want to lose their power. It's pretty clear to most that using big tech to alter search result, the MSM to bury negative stories and changing the voter drop box rules they did just enough to get Bidens dead ass over the finish line.

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Are you trying to suggest Trump wasn't for big government spending? Odd take considering his record to the contrary.

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Yep, Trump spent big too. Pissed me off. But looking at the alternative (biden or hillary) I had zero problem with voting for him then and if his name is on the general ballot in 2024, I'll have zero problem voting for him again

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bear2be2 said:

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Amal Shuq-Up said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Bearupnobly said:

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The convention voted to request a referendum on the question of secession. That would be a dangerous step to take in our representative democracy.

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They've already seceded from reality.

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It's crazy to me that Republicans can watch all of this happen around them and not be concerned by the direction of their party. I can only conclude that most are along for the ride because they want to be at this point.

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Take care of your own mess.

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I don't have a mess. I'm not beholden to any political party. I'm content to spend the rest of my life voting for moderates in primary elections writing in protest votes in the general. I'd rather not have to, but I'd prefer do that than overlook obvious insanity out of silly tribal affiliation.

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So you won't be voting for biden again? How about hillary or kamal or buttigieg?

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The only person on that list I would vote for is Pete Buttigieg, and he's got no chance of being nominated or winning because of his severed relationship with an important bloc in the Democratic voter base.

Rawhide said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Bearupnobly said:

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The convention voted to request a referendum on the question of secession. That would be a dangerous step to take in our representative democracy.

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They've already seceded from reality.

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It's crazy to me that Republicans can watch all of this happen around them and not be concerned by the direction of their party. I can only conclude that most are along for the ride because they want to be at this point.

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They say 70 percent of Republicans believe Biden lost. Whether the party leaders believe it or they're just selling crazy for political gain, I don't know. Either thought is disturbing.

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And 90%+ democrat lefties still to this day, will try to convince you that Trump was an illegitimate president because he colluded with Russia

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"B-b-but whatabout the Dems???"

Easy.

Sam Lowry said:

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Rawhide said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Bearupnobly said:

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The convention voted to request a referendum on the question of secession. That would be a dangerous step to take in our representative democracy.

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They've already seceded from reality.

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It's crazy to me that Republicans can watch all of this happen around them and not be concerned by the direction of their party. I can only conclude that most are along for the ride because they want to be at this point.

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They say 70 percent of Republicans believe Biden lost. Whether the party leaders believe it or they're just selling crazy for political gain, I don't know. Either thought is disturbing.

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And 90%+ democrat lefties still to this day, will try to convince you that Trump was an illegitimate president because he colluded with Russia

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"B-b-but whatabout the Dems???"

Easy.

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Wow, how long did it take you to think up that one samuel? I bet a long time.

Rawhide said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Rawhide said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Bearupnobly said:

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The convention voted to request a referendum on the question of secession. That would be a dangerous step to take in our representative democracy.

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They've already seceded from reality.

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It's crazy to me that Republicans can watch all of this happen around them and not be concerned by the direction of their party. I can only conclude that most are along for the ride because they want to be at this point.

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They say 70 percent of Republicans believe Biden lost. Whether the party leaders believe it or they're just selling crazy for political gain, I don't know. Either thought is disturbing.

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And 90%+ democrat lefties still to this day, will try to convince you that Trump was an illegitimate president because he colluded with Russia

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"B-b-but whatabout the Dems???"

Easy.

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Wow, how long did it take you to think up that one samuel? I bet a long time.

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BWD? (But Whatabout Dems?)

Even easier. Just trying to help!

bear2be2 said:

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muddybrazos said:

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bear2be2 said:

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J.B.Katz said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Scoffing at the "reality-based community," conjuring Iraqi WMD, denying a "plandemic," imagining coups where none exist...the GOP just keeps getting weirder.

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Yes, better sit out the remaining elections in protest, and ensure that an even more ridiculous and destructive party wins all future national elections.

---

This post quite perfectly encapsulates the perils of a two-party political system and binary choice. It erodes accountability to the point that you devolve into what we have now, a literal race to the bottom.

---

Democrats argue about policy. AOC / Sanders want a level of social support that's simply not possible or practical in today's America. Moderates (inclu me) want investments in infrastructure and policies to address climate change.

When Yellowstone Park is washing away, Houston, we got a problem.

But Republicans still won't acknowledge we need to do anything but ramp up fossil fuels and, maybe (lots of them didn't vote for infrastructure) build seawalls. Which, IMO, is like building sandcastle fortresses.

For Republicans, it's all about Trump.

Liz Cheney, one of the most fiscally conservative Republicans in Congress and a woman who threw her own lesbian sister under the bus to support GOP anti-gay social policies, is a RINO b/c she acknowledges that Trump lost the election and is actually interested in policy as opposed to slavish loyalty.

I am appalled that so many smart people (Cruz is smart, just corrupt and craven, and Abbott and Cornyn certainly know better but are too cowardly to buck the Trump red tide) have capitulated to Trump's leadership.

Liz Cheney, and to a much lesser degree, Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan, have earned my respect. Romney hasn't done enough to stop a once sensible, if overly hawkish, party from becoming the party of Trump, but he did vote to impeach Trump. Ryan saw the handwriting on the wall and got out rather than be a Trump tool when he could have taken a stand like Cheney.

We can start with the "both sides are culpable for running stupid cadidates" (indeed they are-until 2016, I'd voted both sides of the ticket for years in search of smart people whose vocation for public service and grasp of public policy was stronger than their desire for power and public adulation) and the "both sides fail to work together on sensible policies designed to move the country forward" arguments AFTER the GOP deals with its Trump problem.

Its failure to do that may cost us American democracy, and it's clear that lots of posters on this site have no problem whatsoever with that as long as Trump and his shameless puppets like Ted Cruz are in control.

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I won't argue with you about who is the greatest threat right now. But if you don't think the Democrats have a host of their own issues, you're lying to yourself. Y'all's last two presidential candidates have been Hillary Clinton (the only candidate on the planet who could have lost to Trump in 2016) and Joe Biden (an almost 80-year-old career dufus). Most new ideas out of the left fall somewhere between naive and bad, and you can't unite your caucus enough to get anything done when in power.

The Democrats may be less bad than the Republicans right now, but they present no great alternative for anyone who is not already linked to that party by tribal affiliation.

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Democrats and Neocon Repubs are exactly the same. They just want big govt spending, wars and status quo. They hated Trump bc he is not one of them and was a threat to the system. This is why HW BUsh and GW Bush supported Hillary. They're a club and do not want to lose their power. It's pretty clear to most that using big tech to alter search result, the MSM to bury negative stories and changing the voter drop box rules they did just enough to get Bidens dead ass over the finish line.

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Are you trying to suggest Trump wasn't for big government spending? Odd take considering his record to the contrary.

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He has some work to do in that area. I would like to see him choose Rand as his VP. The hardcore maga coalition with MTG, Gosar, Sabbatini, Gaetz etc is gonna be a force that even scares Kevin Mcarthey. Im sure it gives jinx nightmares at night.

Sam Lowry said:

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Rawhide said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Rawhide said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Bearupnobly said:

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The convention voted to request a referendum on the question of secession. That would be a dangerous step to take in our representative democracy.

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They've already seceded from reality.

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It's crazy to me that Republicans can watch all of this happen around them and not be concerned by the direction of their party. I can only conclude that most are along for the ride because they want to be at this point.

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They say 70 percent of Republicans believe Biden lost. Whether the party leaders believe it or they're just selling crazy for political gain, I don't know. Either thought is disturbing.

---

And 90%+ democrat lefties still to this day, will try to convince you that Trump was an illegitimate president because he colluded with Russia

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"B-b-but whatabout the Dems???"

Easy.

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Wow, how long did it take you to think up that one samuel? I bet a long time.

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BWD? (But Whatabout Dems?)

Even easier. Just trying to help!

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bbb bu bb bbb bu but it was an insurrection I say!

Yeah, pretty easy

J.B.Katz said:

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Mothra said:

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Seems both parties are moving to the fringes. Dems started it, and Repubs are following suit.

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Democrats plus a minority of Never Trumpers like Max Boot elected Biden.

That is hardly a move to the fringe.

The fractious Sanders/AOC wing of the party doesn't control the Democrats.

The GOP is losing control to jerks like Matt Gaetz, Ted Cruz, Josh Hawley and Rand Paul, nuts like MTG and Paul Gosar and unqualified mouths like Lauren Boebert. When Liz Cheney gets branded as a RINO, Houston, you got a problem.

MAGA/Trump Republicans now own the Republican Party as they just demonstrated in your once proud state, which now is beset by:

a failing energy grid you're not repairing- https://www.texastribune.org/2022/05/17/texas-power-plant-failure-repairs-ercot/

a coast that's a bad hurricane away from disaster - https://www.texastribune.org/2022/01/21/texas-coastal-spine-storm-surge-houston-galveston/

police so incompetent and poorly trained they can't or won't cope with an 18-year-old mass shooter who's got them outgunned because he can buy a better gun than they've got and more ammo the instant he turns 18 - https://www.expressnews.com/news/local/article/Uvalde-classroom-doors-17251116.php

an attorney general who's under indictment - https://www.texastribune.org/2022/05/18/texas-attorney-general-ken-paxton-scandal-supporters/

And an ineffectual governor who now looks stupid because he was lied to by Uvalde law enforcement and went on camera praising them only to find out the Apple Dumpling Gang could have done a better job: https://www.kvue.com/article/news/special-reports/uvalde-school-shooting/uvalde-shooting-abbott-notes/269-468d47b9-1b71-4714-a1fd-561ed471f1ac

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Please...

When an avowed socialist like Sanders is the runner-up for Democrat nominee, your party has a problem. The primaries were a desperate attempt by the Dem candidates to out-woke one another. It was shocking to watch. AOC and Sanders have the most twitter followers of any member of congress.

When old stalwart liberals like Bill Maher are saying the Democrats have a huge problem, you might want to take notice:

https://katv.com/news/nation-world/bill-maher-argues-against-wokeness-says-dems-have-become-party-of-no-common-sense-woke-social-justice-cnn-chris-cuomo-cancel-culture-critical-race-theory-democrat-liberal-twitter-facebook

Time for you to just own it. Your party has been a total ****ing disaster, jinxy cat.

bear2be2 said:

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Scoffing at the "reality-based community," conjuring Iraqi WMD, denying a "plandemic," imagining coups where none exist...the GOP just keeps getting weirder.

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Yes, better sit out the remaining elections in protest, and ensure that an even more ridiculous and destructive party wins all future national elections.

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This post quite perfectly encapsulates the perils of a two-party political system and binary choice. It erodes accountability to the point that you devolve into what we have now, a literal race to the bottom.

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Don't disagree. The problem is, there's little chance of change.

bear2be2 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Bearupnobly said:

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The convention voted to request a referendum on the question of secession. That would be a dangerous step to take in our representative democracy.

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They've already seceded from reality.

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It's crazy to me that Republicans can watch all of this happen around them and not be concerned by the direction of their party. I can only conclude that most are along for the ride because they want to be at this point.

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I think many of the people in the Republican Party are nuts. Problem is, there is an equal number of nuts in the only viable alternative, and their values are the antithesis of mine. So what's a voter to do? Be pragmatic and vote for the lesser of the evils - the individual who will do the least harm? Or sit it out or vote for an even worse candidate in Biden?

When you think of it in those terms, it's not that difficult a decision for conservatives. The reason you are having difficulty fathoming it is because you're neither conservative nor liberal. If a lib gets elected, well, his policies aren't necessarily going to be as harmful given your worldview. It will be some good and some bad. Conservative gets elected - same thing.

Sam Lowry said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Bearupnobly said:

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The convention voted to request a referendum on the question of secession. That would be a dangerous step to take in our representative democracy.

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They've already seceded from reality.

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It's crazy to me that Republicans can watch all of this happen around them and not be concerned by the direction of their party. I can only conclude that most are along for the ride because they want to be at this point.

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They say 70 percent of Republicans believe Biden lost. Whether the party leaders believe it or they're just selling crazy for political gain, I don't know. Either thought is disturbing.

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They're wrong.

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I seem to recall that back when then Texas candidate for Governor, Clayton Williams, posed the infamous question about when rape is inevitable, why not just lay back and enjoy it(?) - he got excoriated, as he should have. Seems to me that the Texas GOP, after taking into account the evidence, including the multiple statistical anomalies related to the 2020 election that have virtually a 0% chance of legitimately happening, decided to take a stand and in affect NOT take good 'ole Clayton's advice - especially when you additionally consider what has happened to the country and the world in the year and a half since dementia Joe was imposed on all of us.

And for this many of you are characterizing them as "an embarrassment" and calling them "stupid", or "fringe wackos", etc. Guess you guys agree with good 'ole Clayton.

81 million votes - YOU BET!!

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It's an embarrassment because there are zero facts to back it up.

Clayton Williams had many faults, but at least he respected democracy, which today's GOP doesn't.

You present no facts at all.

So which of the propositions do you find most believable:

1. State courts, federal courts, SCOTUS, (some of which included Trump appointees), plus Trump's own FBI, CIA, DOJ, and DHS, plus Trump's own family (namely Jared and Ivanka), plus Mitch McConnell, all, all conspired to sent the election to Biden

or

2. DJT, who declared fraud in every election he's ever lost and who can't abide being a loser, lost the election fair and square and has managed to dupe people into believing he won.

Seems like a no-brainer to me.

On top of all this the January 6 committee has shown conclusively that the election was fair and NEARLY ALL TRUMP'S ADVISORS particularly the legal ones believe Biden won fairly.

So all you have on your side are Trump himself and nut jobs like Rudy and Sidney.

Rudy's conduct on this subject has been so egregious, he's already been suspended from the bar.

J.B.Katz said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Scoffing at the "reality-based community," conjuring Iraqi WMD, denying a "plandemic," imagining coups where none exist...the GOP just keeps getting weirder.

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Yes, better sit out the remaining elections in protest, and ensure that an even more ridiculous and destructive party wins all future national elections.

---

This post quite perfectly encapsulates the perils of a two-party political system and binary choice. It erodes accountability to the point that you devolve into what we have now, a literal race to the bottom.

---

Democrats argue about policy. AOC / Sanders want a level of social support that's simply not possible or practical in today's America. Moderates (inclu me) want investments in infrastructure and policies to address climate change.

When Yellowstone Park is washing away, Houston, we got a problem.

But Republicans still won't acknowledge we need to do anything but ramp up fossil fuels and, maybe (lots of them didn't vote for infrastructure) build seawalls. Which, IMO, is like building sandcastle fortresses.

For Republicans, it's all about Trump.

Liz Cheney, one of the most fiscally conservative Republicans in Congress and a woman who threw her own lesbian sister under the bus to support GOP anti-gay social policies, is a RINO b/c she acknowledges that Trump lost the election and is actually interested in policy as opposed to slavish loyalty.

I am appalled that so many smart people (Cruz is smart, just corrupt and craven, and Abbott and Cornyn certainly know better but are too cowardly to buck the Trump red tide) have capitulated to Trump's leadership.

Liz Cheney, and to a much lesser degree, Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan, have earned my respect. Romney hasn't done enough to stop a once sensible, if overly hawkish, party from becoming the party of Trump, but he did vote to impeach Trump. Ryan saw the handwriting on the wall and got out rather than be a Trump tool when he could have taken a stand like Cheney.

We can start with the "both sides are culpable for running stupid cadidates" (indeed they are-until 2016, I'd voted both sides of the ticket for years in search of smart people whose vocation for public service and grasp of public policy was stronger than their desire for power and public adulation) and the "both sides fail to work together on sensible policies designed to move the country forward" arguments AFTER the GOP deals with its Trump problem.

Its failure to do that may cost us American democracy, and it's clear that lots of posters on this site have no problem whatsoever with that as long as Trump and his shameless puppets like Ted Cruz are in control.

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Well said.

The Republican Party platform has been reduced to one sentence: We will believe whatever Trump says and do whatever he says.

Don't get me started on Cruz. Trump attacks his father and wife, and Cruz just bends over and takes it.

How can you respect any "leader" like that?

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Johnny Bear said:

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I seem to recall that back when then Texas candidate for Governor, Clayton Williams, posed the infamous question about when rape is inevitable, why not just lay back and enjoy it(?) - he got excoriated, as he should have. Seems to me that the Texas GOP, after taking into account the evidence, including the multiple statistical anomalies related to the 2020 election that have virtually a 0% chance of legitimately happening, decided to take a stand and in affect NOT take good 'ole Clayton's advice - especially when you additionally consider what has happened to the country and the world in the year and a half since dementia Joe was imposed on all of us.

And for this many of you are characterizing them as "an embarrassment" and calling them "stupid", or "fringe wackos", etc. Guess you guys agree with good 'ole Clayton.

81 million votes - YOU BET!!

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Clayton Williams had many faults, but at least he respected democracy, which today's GOP doesn't.

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Dear Molly Ivins Jinx,

We know the only Republicans you like are the ones who lose their races.

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C. Jordan said:

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boognish_bear said:

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"We reject the certified results of the 2020 Presidential election, and we hold that acting President Joseph Robinette Biden Jr. was not legitimately elected by the people of the United States."

Texas GOP formally adopts platform that rejects legitimacy of Biden win. https://t.co/emtJ7y6GTG

— David Folkenflik (@davidfolkenflik) June 19, 2022

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Complete.

Insanity.

Lost their grip on reality.

Total transformation into a Trump cult.

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This hilarious. I said the exact same thing about BLM and the never Trump cult. Oh and the mask and vaccine cult too

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Yeah. It's really delusional to, like, follow medical science and stuff.

Amal Shuq-Up said:

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C. Jordan said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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I seem to recall that back when then Texas candidate for Governor, Clayton Williams, posed the infamous question about when rape is inevitable, why not just lay back and enjoy it(?) - he got excoriated, as he should have. Seems to me that the Texas GOP, after taking into account the evidence, including the multiple statistical anomalies related to the 2020 election that have virtually a 0% chance of legitimately happening, decided to take a stand and in affect NOT take good 'ole Clayton's advice - especially when you additionally consider what has happened to the country and the world in the year and a half since dementia Joe was imposed on all of us.

And for this many of you are characterizing them as "an embarrassment" and calling them "stupid", or "fringe wackos", etc. Guess you guys agree with good 'ole Clayton.

81 million votes - YOU BET!!

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Clayton Williams had many faults, but at least he respected democracy, which today's GOP doesn't.

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Dear Molly Ivins Jinx,

We know the only Republicans you like are the ones who lose their races.

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You've posted so much BS, you can't keep up with who you're talking to!

Step away from the computer, man. That thing's gonna blow!

C. Jordan said:

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So which of the propositions do you find most believable:

1. State courts, federal courts, SCOTUS, (some of which included Trump appointees), plus Trump's own FBI, CIA, DOJ, and DHS, plus Trump's own family (namely Jared and Ivanka), plus Mitch McConnell, all, all conspired to sent the election to Biden

or

2. DJT, who declared fraud in every election he's ever lost and who can't abide being a loser, lost the election fair and square and has managed to dupe people into believing he won.

Seems like a no-brainer to me.

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It's honestly no suprise to me that the same people who accept or even like and want to follow a man who is a bombastic leader in the pulpit, even if in small small corner of their minds that they try hard to squelch any questions about how a Minister of the Gospel travels on private jets and lives in a mansion while they shop at Walmart and deny those unsavory rumors of a mistress or a predeliction for underaged girls, fell hook line and sinker for Donald Trump and his loud, self-serving style of leadership.

If your religious leader is an authoritarian hypocrite who uses the authority of God to achieve personal wealth and whose control over the true believers in his orbit would make a thinking person with a functioning conscience uneasy, a political leader who exhibits similar qualities, including lots of salacious theater, not to mention vicious insults aimed at people you yourself hate, may seem like an answer to prayer.

The silence from Mitch McConnell is deafening.