You realize you're proving my point, right? The DOJ is only concerned with the criminal aspect. If Trump or Biden committed crimes, that's one thing. If not then I'll ask again -- why should anyone care?4th and Inches said:nobody should take the jan 6th committee investigation seriously..Sam Lowry said:So…you think we should take the Jan. 6 investigation seriously regardless of whether Trump committed crimes?Oldbear83 said:Sam Lowry said:It's not my opinion at all. It's the opinion I've been seeing on every Donald Trump thread for the last three months.Oldbear83 said:Thank you for your opinion, Mr. Schiff.Sam Lowry said:
Did they break the law? Have they been charged with a crime? Why should anyone care?
If that is what you see on every thread involving Trump, get an eye exam and lay off the hallucinogens.
We should take the jan 6th DOJ investigation seriously. There will be one but its where we should have started, not where we are now.. most of the last 20 years is look over here while we do dumb sh.. over there. This is a new level of that..
DOJ proves the intent, congress uses 14th to bar him.. politics restored to norms. Instead they just said hold my beer.
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Sam Lowry said:
Did they break the law? Have they been charged with a crime? Why should anyone care?
If someone is using his or her office to personally enrich family members, yes, that can be a crime, and we should care because corruption is bad for all of us.
there is no other aspect, the rest is feelings.. care if you want toSam Lowry said:You realize you're proving my point, right? The DOJ is only concerned with the criminal aspect. If Trump or Biden committed crimes, that's one thing. If not then I'll ask again -- why should anyone care?4th and Inches said:nobody should take the jan 6th committee investigation seriously..Sam Lowry said:So…you think we should take the Jan. 6 investigation seriously regardless of whether Trump committed crimes?Oldbear83 said:Sam Lowry said:It's not my opinion at all. It's the opinion I've been seeing on every Donald Trump thread for the last three months.Oldbear83 said:Thank you for your opinion, Mr. Schiff.Sam Lowry said:
Did they break the law? Have they been charged with a crime? Why should anyone care?
If that is what you see on every thread involving Trump, get an eye exam and lay off the hallucinogens.
We should take the jan 6th DOJ investigation seriously. There will be one but its where we should have started, not where we are now.. most of the last 20 years is look over here while we do dumb sh.. over there. This is a new level of that..
DOJ proves the intent, congress uses 14th to bar him.. politics restored to norms. Instead they just said hold my beer.
The DOJ gives them what they want except they dont think they can climb that hill so they attempt to sour the public feelings on him. They did it for the last 6 years.. they will continue to dog and pony show until he says not running or he loses again
“Mix a little foolishness with your serious plans. It is lovely to be silly at the right moment.”
–Horace
“Insomnia sharpens your math skills because you spend all night calculating how much sleep you’ll get if you’re able to ‘fall asleep right now.’ “
–Horace
“Insomnia sharpens your math skills because you spend all night calculating how much sleep you’ll get if you’re able to ‘fall asleep right now.’ “
Corruption is bad for all of us, but not all of it is covered by the criminal law. I'm sure the Bidens are skilled at walking that line.D. C. Bear said:Sam Lowry said:
Did they break the law? Have they been charged with a crime? Why should anyone care?
If someone is using his or her office to personally enrich family members, yes, that can be a crime, and we should care because corruption is bad for all of us.
As long as you call that political kangaroo court an "investigation", Sam, no one should take you seriously.Sam Lowry said:So…you think we should take the Jan. 6 investigation seriously regardless of whether Trump committed crimes?Oldbear83 said:Sam Lowry said:It's not my opinion at all. It's the opinion I've been seeing on every Donald Trump thread for the last three months.Oldbear83 said:Thank you for your opinion, Mr. Schiff.Sam Lowry said:
Did they break the law? Have they been charged with a crime? Why should anyone care?
If that is what you see on every thread involving Trump, get an eye exam and lay off the hallucinogens.
It's one thing to look at what happened January 6th, by all relevant parties including Capitol Police and the FBI and the media, and determine appropriate consequences for genuine violence and appropriate actions to protect officials in future elections.
The events of this committee, however, have no such interests.
So no, any rational person would recognize this is a waste of time, resources and focus, is fashioned purely for political malice, and should be given less interest than the latest Elvis sighting.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
Would you support a congressional investigation of the Bidens and their business in China?Oldbear83 said:As long as you call that political kangaroo court an "investigation", Sam, no one should take you seriously.Sam Lowry said:So…you think we should take the Jan. 6 investigation seriously regardless of whether Trump committed crimes?Oldbear83 said:Sam Lowry said:It's not my opinion at all. It's the opinion I've been seeing on every Donald Trump thread for the last three months.Oldbear83 said:Thank you for your opinion, Mr. Schiff.Sam Lowry said:
Did they break the law? Have they been charged with a crime? Why should anyone care?
If that is what you see on every thread involving Trump, get an eye exam and lay off the hallucinogens.
It's one thing to look at what happened January 6th, by all relevant parties including Capitol Police and the FBI and the media, and determine appropriate consequences for genuine violence and appropriate actions to protect officials in future elections.
The events of this committee, however, have no such interests.
So no, any rational person would recognize this is a waste of time, resources and focus, is fashioned purely for political malice, and should be given less interest than the latest Elvis sighting.
nope, DOJ needs to do its job and figure out if the president is comprimised.. let congress take over when its time to impeach or 25thSam Lowry said:Would you support a congressional investigation of the Bidens and their business in China?Oldbear83 said:As long as you call that political kangaroo court an "investigation", Sam, no one should take you seriously.Sam Lowry said:So…you think we should take the Jan. 6 investigation seriously regardless of whether Trump committed crimes?Oldbear83 said:Sam Lowry said:It's not my opinion at all. It's the opinion I've been seeing on every Donald Trump thread for the last three months.Oldbear83 said:Thank you for your opinion, Mr. Schiff.Sam Lowry said:
Did they break the law? Have they been charged with a crime? Why should anyone care?
If that is what you see on every thread involving Trump, get an eye exam and lay off the hallucinogens.
It's one thing to look at what happened January 6th, by all relevant parties including Capitol Police and the FBI and the media, and determine appropriate consequences for genuine violence and appropriate actions to protect officials in future elections.
The events of this committee, however, have no such interests.
So no, any rational person would recognize this is a waste of time, resources and focus, is fashioned purely for political malice, and should be given less interest than the latest Elvis sighting.
“Mix a little foolishness with your serious plans. It is lovely to be silly at the right moment.”
–Horace
“Insomnia sharpens your math skills because you spend all night calculating how much sleep you’ll get if you’re able to ‘fall asleep right now.’ “
–Horace
“Insomnia sharpens your math skills because you spend all night calculating how much sleep you’ll get if you’re able to ‘fall asleep right now.’ “
Seriously, I'd impose the same conditions I just mentioned. Congress is supposed to hold investigations for purposes of legislation, excepting Impeachment.Sam Lowry said:Would you support a congressional investigation of the Bidens and their business in China?Oldbear83 said:As long as you call that political kangaroo court an "investigation", Sam, no one should take you seriously.Sam Lowry said:So…you think we should take the Jan. 6 investigation seriously regardless of whether Trump committed crimes?Oldbear83 said:Sam Lowry said:It's not my opinion at all. It's the opinion I've been seeing on every Donald Trump thread for the last three months.Oldbear83 said:Thank you for your opinion, Mr. Schiff.Sam Lowry said:
Did they break the law? Have they been charged with a crime? Why should anyone care?
If that is what you see on every thread involving Trump, get an eye exam and lay off the hallucinogens.
It's one thing to look at what happened January 6th, by all relevant parties including Capitol Police and the FBI and the media, and determine appropriate consequences for genuine violence and appropriate actions to protect officials in future elections.
The events of this committee, however, have no such interests.
So no, any rational person would recognize this is a waste of time, resources and focus, is fashioned purely for political malice, and should be given less interest than the latest Elvis sighting.
If they want to impeach Biden, learn the lessons of Bill Clinton and Trump's impeachments and lay off unless you have a slam-dunk case that will win 67 Senators, plus reason to believe this will result in better Governance for the nation.
If they want to prosecute a Biden, let the DOJ investigate, giving Hunter the same rights as any US citizen, including right to counsel and defense.
As for Joe, if genuine evidence comes up implicating him, let that play out a la Watergate.
But years of relentless, baseless, political hatred of Trump demonstrate that the same act the other way may well be the worst path the Republicans could take.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
Interesting. We already have two posters against a Biden investigation if Republicans take the House next year.
Anyone else want to go on the record?
Anyone else want to go on the record?
Funny how Sam ignores this line I wrote:Sam Lowry said:
Interesting. We already have two posters against a Biden investigation if Republicans take the House next year.
Anyone else want to go on the record?
As for Joe, if genuine evidence comes up implicating him, let that play out a la Watergate.
That's more than a detail, Sam.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
But as of now you don't think there's genuine evidence.Oldbear83 said:Funny how Sam ignores this line I wrote:Sam Lowry said:
Interesting. We already have two posters against a Biden investigation if Republicans take the House next year.
Anyone else want to go on the record?
As for Joe, if genuine evidence comes up implicating him, let that play out a la Watergate.
That's more than a detail, Sam.
No one has taken the necessary steps yet.Sam Lowry said:But as of now you don't think there's genuine evidence.Oldbear83 said:Funny how Sam ignores this line I wrote:Sam Lowry said:
Interesting. We already have two posters against a Biden investigation if Republicans take the House next year.
Anyone else want to go on the record?
As for Joe, if genuine evidence comes up implicating him, let that play out a la Watergate.
That's more than a detail, Sam.
Saying one way or another at this date is premature.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
What are the necessary steps?Oldbear83 said:No one has taken the necessary steps yet.Sam Lowry said:But as of now you don't think there's genuine evidence.Oldbear83 said:Funny how Sam ignores this line I wrote:Sam Lowry said:
Interesting. We already have two posters against a Biden investigation if Republicans take the House next year.
Anyone else want to go on the record?
As for Joe, if genuine evidence comes up implicating him, let that play out a la Watergate.
That's more than a detail, Sam.
Saying one way or another at this date is premature.
DOJ investigation, first.Sam Lowry said:What are the necessary steps?Oldbear83 said:No one has taken the necessary steps yet.Sam Lowry said:But as of now you don't think there's genuine evidence.Oldbear83 said:Funny how Sam ignores this line I wrote:Sam Lowry said:
Interesting. We already have two posters against a Biden investigation if Republicans take the House next year.
Anyone else want to go on the record?
As for Joe, if genuine evidence comes up implicating him, let that play out a la Watergate.
That's more than a detail, Sam.
Saying one way or another at this date is premature.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
Sam Lowry said:
Interesting. We already have two posters against a Biden investigation if Republicans take the House next year.
Anyone else want to go on the record?
I'm not opposed to investigating Biden.
Then again I'm not opposed to investigating Trump either.
jupiter said:
That's pretty rad
I'm not sure you're understanding my question. If you refer to the previous page of this thread, there's a video of Rep. Matt Gaetz questioning Matthew G. Olsen, Assistant Attorney General for the National Security Division of the DOJ. Gaetz accuses him of covering up a "crime spree in progress" and says that Olsen "animates and exemplifies" the plausible deniability that the Bidens use to get away with corruption. He concludes, "Winter's coming, we're going to be in the majority, and then you're going to have to answer these questions for the country." Clearly Rep. Gaetz does not expect the DOJ to pursue any serious investigation of the Bidens, nor does he intend to wait around if the GOP takes back the House.Oldbear83 said:DOJ investigation, first.Sam Lowry said:What are the necessary steps?Oldbear83 said:No one has taken the necessary steps yet.Sam Lowry said:But as of now you don't think there's genuine evidence.Oldbear83 said:Funny how Sam ignores this line I wrote:Sam Lowry said:
Interesting. We already have two posters against a Biden investigation if Republicans take the House next year.
Anyone else want to go on the record?
As for Joe, if genuine evidence comes up implicating him, let that play out a la Watergate.
That's more than a detail, Sam.
Saying one way or another at this date is premature.
Given these facts, and assuming Gaetz is right about Republicans being in the majority next year, should DOJ officials and any other relevant witnesses have to answer Congress' questions about the Biden family and China?
If a committee is formed and the two parties can't agree on which members to appoint, what should the Republican leadership do? Abandon the investigation, or continue if necessary without the Democrats' participation?JXL said:Sam Lowry said:
Interesting. We already have two posters against a Biden investigation if Republicans take the House next year.
Anyone else want to go on the record?
I'm not opposed to investigating Biden.
Then again I'm not opposed to investigating Trump either.
Multiple "highly credible" FBI whistleblowers came forward @ChuckGrassley alleging a broad effort within FBI to downplay + discredit negative Hunter Biden info. Former prosecutor James Trusty said it could have the effect of "sabotaging the Delaware case.” pic.twitter.com/t228LbXHzt
— Catherine Herridge (@CBS_Herridge) July 30, 2022
I understand you all too well, Sam.
You vitriol blinds you to real facts, and makes you susceptible to garbage narratives.
It is my belief that, at this time, there is no proof of criminal behavior by either Joe Biden or Donald Trump.
The difference is that valid leads viz a viz Biden have been ignored, even suppressed, by the DOJ, while the DOJ is acting like Biden's lap dog whenever someone tells a new claim against Trump.
The double standard is obvious and deeply offensive to most Americans, yet you blithely ignore it.
I believe the day will come when the pendulum will swing the other way. The difference being that Biden will enjoy a presumption of innocence you were never willing to grant Trump.
You vitriol blinds you to real facts, and makes you susceptible to garbage narratives.
It is my belief that, at this time, there is no proof of criminal behavior by either Joe Biden or Donald Trump.
The difference is that valid leads viz a viz Biden have been ignored, even suppressed, by the DOJ, while the DOJ is acting like Biden's lap dog whenever someone tells a new claim against Trump.
The double standard is obvious and deeply offensive to most Americans, yet you blithely ignore it.
I believe the day will come when the pendulum will swing the other way. The difference being that Biden will enjoy a presumption of innocence you were never willing to grant Trump.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
So to be clear, Congress can act on its own after midterms? Or they have to wait for the DOJ to take some additional "steps?"Oldbear83 said:
I understand you all too well, Sam.
You vitriol blinds you to real facts, and makes you susceptible to garbage narratives.
It is my belief that, at this time, there is no proof of criminal behavior by either Joe Biden or Donald Trump.
The difference is that valid leads viz a viz Biden have been ignored, even suppressed, by the DOJ, while the DOJ is acting like Biden's lap dog whenever someone tells a new claim against Trump.
The double standard is obvious and deeply offensive to most Americans, yet you blithely ignore it.
I believe the day will come when the pendulum will swing the other way. The difference being that Biden will enjoy a presumption of innocence you were never willing to grant Trump.
"The Big Guy" is in the news again.
“The boss still has a very favorable view of you,” said Gaetz, stressing that the president had “said it directly.” He also said, “I don’t think the big guy can let you go down for this.”https://t.co/cc3xqt44LO
— The Lincoln Project (@ProjectLincoln) July 30, 2022
so to be clear, does this neighborhood need a 2-way street, a 1-way street or no street at all?Sam Lowry said:So to be clear, Congress can act on its own after midterms? Or they have to wait for the DOJ to take some additional "steps?"Oldbear83 said:
I understand you all too well, Sam.
You vitriol blinds you to real facts, and makes you susceptible to garbage narratives.
It is my belief that, at this time, there is no proof of criminal behavior by either Joe Biden or Donald Trump.
The difference is that valid leads viz a viz Biden have been ignored, even suppressed, by the DOJ, while the DOJ is acting like Biden's lap dog whenever someone tells a new claim against Trump.
The double standard is obvious and deeply offensive to most Americans, yet you blithely ignore it.
I believe the day will come when the pendulum will swing the other way. The difference being that Biden will enjoy a presumption of innocence you were never willing to grant Trump.
Is turnabout fair play or not, or should the play never have been made?
Two-way street, same standard for both sides. I don't know of evidence that the Bidens committed crimes (aside from Hunter and all the sex and drug stuff), but I don't think that matters. Congress doesn't investigate crime per se. They do have oversight of national security and other issues in the executive branch, and there has long been reason to suspect the Bidens were compromised with regard to China. I don't think the congressional response depends on the DOJ (and neither will Oldbear a year from now).LIB,MR BEARS said:so to be clear, does this neighborhood need a 2-way street, a 1-way street or no street at all?Sam Lowry said:So to be clear, Congress can act on its own after midterms? Or they have to wait for the DOJ to take some additional "steps?"Oldbear83 said:
I understand you all too well, Sam.
You vitriol blinds you to real facts, and makes you susceptible to garbage narratives.
It is my belief that, at this time, there is no proof of criminal behavior by either Joe Biden or Donald Trump.
The difference is that valid leads viz a viz Biden have been ignored, even suppressed, by the DOJ, while the DOJ is acting like Biden's lap dog whenever someone tells a new claim against Trump.
The double standard is obvious and deeply offensive to most Americans, yet you blithely ignore it.
I believe the day will come when the pendulum will swing the other way. The difference being that Biden will enjoy a presumption of innocence you were never willing to grant Trump.
Is turnabout fair play or not, or should the play never have been made?
Impressive. Sam posted "same standard" with a straight face.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
Don't let it distract you from my question.Oldbear83 said:
Impressive. Sam posted "same standard" with a straight face.
You have been answered in detail, Sam.Sam Lowry said:Don't let it distract you from my question.Oldbear83 said:
Impressive. Sam posted "same standard" with a straight face.
Don't let your obsession blind you to learning from other perspectives.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
Maybe I got lost in all those details. Summarize it for me if you don't mind.Oldbear83 said:You have been answered in detail, Sam.Sam Lowry said:Don't let it distract you from my question.Oldbear83 said:
Impressive. Sam posted "same standard" with a straight face.
Don't let your obsession blind you to learning from other perspectives.
Just up the page, boyo:Sam Lowry said:Maybe I got lost in all those details. Summarize it for me if you don't mind.Oldbear83 said:You have been answered in detail, Sam.Sam Lowry said:Don't let it distract you from my question.Oldbear83 said:
Impressive. Sam posted "same standard" with a straight face.
Don't let your obsession blind you to learning from other perspectives.
"It is my belief that, at this time, there is no proof of criminal behavior by either Joe Biden or Donald Trump.
The difference is that valid leads viz a viz Biden have been ignored, even suppressed, by the DOJ, while the DOJ is acting like Biden's lap dog whenever someone tells a new claim against Trump.
The double standard is obvious and deeply offensive to most Americans, yet you blithely ignore it.
I believe the day will come when the pendulum will swing the other way. The difference being that Biden will enjoy a presumption of innocence you were never willing to grant Trump."
Plain enough for any English-speaker.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
I also wrote this, also on this page:Oldbear83 said:Just up the page, boyo:Sam Lowry said:Maybe I got lost in all those details. Summarize it for me if you don't mind.Oldbear83 said:You have been answered in detail, Sam.Sam Lowry said:Don't let it distract you from my question.Oldbear83 said:
Impressive. Sam posted "same standard" with a straight face.
Don't let your obsession blind you to learning from other perspectives.
"It is my belief that, at this time, there is no proof of criminal behavior by either Joe Biden or Donald Trump.
The difference is that valid leads viz a viz Biden have been ignored, even suppressed, by the DOJ, while the DOJ is acting like Biden's lap dog whenever someone tells a new claim against Trump.
The double standard is obvious and deeply offensive to most Americans, yet you blithely ignore it.
I believe the day will come when the pendulum will swing the other way. The difference being that Biden will enjoy a presumption of innocence you were never willing to grant Trump."
Plain enough for any English-speaker.
"I'd impose the same conditions I just mentioned. Congress is supposed to hold investigations for purposes of legislation, excepting Impeachment.
If they want to impeach Biden, learn the lessons of Bill Clinton and Trump's impeachments and lay off unless you have a slam-dunk case that will win 67 Senators, plus reason to believe this will result in better Governance for the nation.
If they want to prosecute a Biden, let the DOJ investigate, giving Hunter the same rights as any US citizen, including right to counsel and defense.
As for Joe, if genuine evidence comes up implicating him, let that play out a la Watergate."
I'd call that a plain, straightforward explanation.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
If the DOJ is suppressing evidence, as you claim, are they accountable to Congress? Was Rep. Gaetz wrong to say they should be called to answer for it?
they are accountable to the house judiciary committee.. not some special panel hearingSam Lowry said:
If the DOJ is suppressing evidence, as you claim, are they accountable to Congress? Was Rep. Gaetz wrong to say they should be called to answer for it?
“Mix a little foolishness with your serious plans. It is lovely to be silly at the right moment.”
–Horace
“Insomnia sharpens your math skills because you spend all night calculating how much sleep you’ll get if you’re able to ‘fall asleep right now.’ “
–Horace
“Insomnia sharpens your math skills because you spend all night calculating how much sleep you’ll get if you’re able to ‘fall asleep right now.’ “
Thanks for your succinct answers. Maybe you could give Oldbear some coaching.4th and Inches said:they are accountable to the house judiciary committee.. not some special panel hearingSam Lowry said:
If the DOJ is suppressing evidence, as you claim, are they accountable to Congress? Was Rep. Gaetz wrong to say they should be called to answer for it?
Is the House Judiciary Committee in the Constitution?4th and Inches said:they are accountable to the house judiciary committee.. not some special panel hearingSam Lowry said:
If the DOJ is suppressing evidence, as you claim, are they accountable to Congress? Was Rep. Gaetz wrong to say they should be called to answer for it?