whiterock said:
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Sam Lowry said:
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Wangchung said:
Your(democrats) previous reactions and outright support of such rhetoric like abolish ICE and defund the police and all cops are *******s leads me to not care what you think now, when we see an actual corrupt agency that needs a top down "reimagining". In other words, we don't let the real wolf maraud freely just because you democrats wouldn't stop crying wolf when there was no wolf.
Yeah, except that everything you just said there is wrong. I was vehemently opposed to ACAB, defund the police, etc.
Yet you excuse the rhetoric that caused it and the politicians that literally bailed out the rioters pushing it. There is a terrible Allanis Morrisette song about that kind of thing.
I don't excuse it. I just don't lie about it. I can make a good enough case against Dems by telling the truth. Maybe you can't? I don't know.
But who are we kidding, really? We both know why you have to say "kids in cages" is an overt call to violence even though it obviously isn't. Because if you admitted that Dems can say "peace, peace" while stirring up conflict, you'd have to admit that maybe Trump can do the same. You won't do that, just like you won't condemn Republicans who refer to the FBI as the Gestapo or the KGB. Same old story. Rules for thee, not for me.
So you are attempting to say "go peacefully" is a call to violence but "those Nazis are ripping kids from their mothers and putting them into CAGES!!!" was not? Did anyone firebomb the capitol? Because ICE facilities were firebombed from said rhetoric and no, I have not said their words were peaceful, like Trump's request to demonstrate peacefully. "Kids in cages" is nothing close to peaceful rhetoric.
None of those are specific calls to violence. To illustrate the importance of context, look at the rhetoric of the pro-life movement. I say this as a staunch pro-lifer. To call abortion murder and compare it with the Holocaust, as we do all the time, is about as strong as the rhetoric can get. Yet pro-lifers have also been very consistent in opposing violence. It's not all about cherry-picked phrases and quotes. It's about the whole ethos of the movement and the message that it sends.
Years of democrat rhetoric and riots all across the United States led to a few hours of unarmed angry morons taking photos in the capitol and you want to pretend it was Trump's fault despite asking his followers to demonstrate peacefully. Years of violent democrat rhetoric in response to law enforcement enforcing the law led to that year of violence. Specific calls to keep rioting in the streets were made. Specific calls to gather in mobs and harangue conservatives anywhere they are found is a call to violence. The ethos of the democrat party has been win at all costs, through lies, through violence and through abuse of government agencies, so I'm not sure how you can claim looking at the big picture somehow absolves their specific (and heeded) calls to violence.
As far as abortion being likened to the holocaust, you're absolutely correct. The holocaust only saw six million-ish people killed, abortion has killed around SIXTY THREE MILLION since 1973, so they really are not comparable. Abortion is FAR worse.
I don't think you can blame J6 entirely on the Democrats. Just from listening to the rioters and taking them at their word, it's clear that Trump had something to do with it.
Well sure. He was mad at the chicanery all objective Americans witnessed before and during the elections. So were most Republicans who had just witnessed the year of violence and years of violent rhetoric. The bigger picture only further condemns democrats.
Enough of the Lie.
Objective Americans know that the election was legitimate. I sat in a forum yesterday that included elected Texas Republicans who are having to waste taxpayer dollars in counties all over Texas defending unfounded lawsuits challenging the very election that put them in office.
Actually, polling does not indicate that. one las week had 78% of Americans believing that the outcome would have been different had alphabet and social media not sat on the Hunter Biden story. And others show a clear (and growing) majority believes fraud affected the outcome of elections. those and other polls even show a majority of Democrats believe election/voter fraud is a problem. You see, it's happening in Democrat primaries. It's how the progressives in the big urban counties have seized control of the blue machine. Moderate Dems have lost control of their party to cultural marxist radicals via primary fraud, yet STILL insist there is no problem with elections.
Until we end vote by mail, you will not see the American people trust elections.
I would sign on to the recommendations of the Carter/Baker bi-partisan commission on election integrity, with a proviso for additional measures on voting machines - mandatory bipartisan inspections and audits. Until we get there.....I'm sorry. If you say you believe in systemic oppression, I don't trust you to responsibly use sovereign power.
The main problem with elections is ballot integrity, four orders of magnitude worse than ballot fraud.
Thanks to the Big Lie I am totally unsurprised at the poll results.
We were gaslit to believe that any election that didn't go our way was, of course, fraudulent.
Which, of course, is totally unsupported by valid evidence. Texas taxpayers are footing the bill for this nonsense.
And then here are Magafascists:
"Nick Fuentes says the only hope for America is for there to be a "white uprising" that then disbands Congress and installs Trump as a dictator: "Elect Trump one more time and then stop having elections."'