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IRISH MERCENARY FOR UKRAINE DESCRIBES WAR: “IT’S A GENOCIDE “pic.twitter.com/wlRUA0zaNp

— The_Real_Fly (@The_Real_Fly) July 12, 2023

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Nothing unusual there. War is a tough business. And this one is a high-intensity conflict. much deadlier battlefield than the dusty wars of the last couple of decades.

But the soldier did use the word "genocide," so it makes for good propaganda.

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Its an interview with a solider who has fought on the front lines...its his personal perspective on what is happening.

Its not "propaganda" unless you consider anything that is not 100% pro-war to be propaganda.

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I know nothing about this soldier. But I suspect he was an adventure-seeker who realized once there that war is indeed brutal. Regardless, I'm not sure what particular insight this clip provides, and yes, the genocide title is deceiving.

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IRISH MERCENARY FOR UKRAINE DESCRIBES WAR: “IT’S A GENOCIDE “pic.twitter.com/wlRUA0zaNp

— The_Real_Fly (@The_Real_Fly) July 12, 2023

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Nothing unusual there. War is a tough business. And this one is a high-intensity conflict. much deadlier battlefield than the dusty wars of the last couple of decades.

But the soldier did use the word "genocide," so it makes for good propaganda.

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Its an interview with a solider who has fought on the front lines...its his personal perspective on what is happening.

Its not "propaganda" unless you consider anything that is not 100% pro-war to be propaganda.

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I know nothing about this soldier. But I suspect he was an adventure-seeker who realized once there that war is indeed brutal. Regardless, I'm not sure what particular insight this clip provides, and yes, the genocide title is deceiving.

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First hand combat experience is always an interesting insight.

If you want to listen to real propaganda all day then turn on CNN or NPR.

The "genocide'" title was from a twitter guy for clicks the news organization did not emphasize that line from the soldiers interview.

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IRISH MERCENARY FOR UKRAINE DESCRIBES WAR: “IT’S A GENOCIDE “pic.twitter.com/wlRUA0zaNp

— The_Real_Fly (@The_Real_Fly) July 12, 2023

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Nothing unusual there. War is a tough business. And this one is a high-intensity conflict. much deadlier battlefield than the dusty wars of the last couple of decades.

But the soldier did use the word "genocide," so it makes for good propaganda.

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Its an interview with a solider who has fought on the front lines...its his personal perspective on what is happening.

Its not "propaganda" unless you consider anything that is not 100% pro-war to be propaganda.

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I know nothing about this soldier. But I suspect he was an adventure-seeker who realized once there that war is indeed brutal. Regardless, I'm not sure what particular insight this clip provides, and yes, the genocide title is deceiving.

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First hand combat experience is always an interesting insight.

If you want to listen to real propaganda all day then turn on CNN or NPR.

The "genocide'" title was from a twitter guy for clicks the news organization did not emphasize that line from the soldiers interview.

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Agree with all these points

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IRISH MERCENARY FOR UKRAINE DESCRIBES WAR: “IT’S A GENOCIDE “pic.twitter.com/wlRUA0zaNp

— The_Real_Fly (@The_Real_Fly) July 12, 2023

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Nothing unusual there. War is a tough business. And this one is a high-intensity conflict. much deadlier battlefield than the dusty wars of the last couple of decades.

But the soldier did use the word "genocide," so it makes for good propaganda.

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Its an interview with a solider who has fought on the front lines...its his personal perspective on what is happening.

Its not "propaganda" unless you consider anything that is not 100% pro-war to be propaganda.

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His comments are not propaganda. Just poor use of the language. It's the use of his comments that is propaganda. an awful lot of it on both sides in this war.

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“How did WWIII begin?”

Slowly then suddenly. https://t.co/aVn0s857lK

— Cernovich (@Cernovich) July 7, 2023

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How did it end? Suddenly and without most of the world involved.

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Doc Holliday said:

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“How did WWIII begin?”

Slowly then suddenly. https://t.co/aVn0s857lK

— Cernovich (@Cernovich) July 7, 2023

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How did it end? Suddenly and without most of the world involved.

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We are now in WW3???

We went from providing weapons to WW3?? Does the rest of the world know?

FLBear5630 said:

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ron.reagan said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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“How did WWIII begin?”

Slowly then suddenly. https://t.co/aVn0s857lK

— Cernovich (@Cernovich) July 7, 2023

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How did it end? Suddenly and without most of the world involved.

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We are now in WW3???

We went from providing weapons to WW3?? Does the rest of the world know?

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Nah, only the grifters and vatniks do apparently.

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Doc Holliday said:

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“How did WWIII begin?”

Slowly then suddenly. https://t.co/aVn0s857lK

— Cernovich (@Cernovich) July 7, 2023

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How did it end? Suddenly and without most of the world involved.

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We are now in WW3???

We went from providing weapons to WW3?? Does the rest of the world know?

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We went from 746 military advisors in Vietnam in 1961....then two years later we had 50,000 Americans in country.

By march of 1965 this was increased to nearly 200,000 men and American troops were engaged in bloody direct combat operations and a full scale war.

Things can happen quickly

Redbrickbear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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ron.reagan said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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“How did WWIII begin?”

Slowly then suddenly. https://t.co/aVn0s857lK

— Cernovich (@Cernovich) July 7, 2023

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How did it end? Suddenly and without most of the world involved.

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We are now in WW3???

We went from providing weapons to WW3?? Does the rest of the world know?

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We went from 746 military advisors in Vietnam in 1961....then two years later we had 50,000 Americans in country.

By march of 1965 this was increased to nearly 200,000 men and American troops were engaged in bloody direct combat operations and a full scale war.

Things can happen quickly

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Military advisors have come and gone from hundreds of countries numerous times over the last 70 years, in some cases being virtually permanently stationed.
How many of those countries turned into Vietnam?

We had a MILMISH in Monrovia for a decade. Did it lead us to war?
We had "advisors" on the ground in bush wars all over Africa for decades. Did any of them lead us to war?
I mean, I can get to high five digits just with what I personally saw.
We're talking thousands of advisors every year floating all over the world.

Fact is, they stop more wars than they start, by like 99.9 to 1

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Redbrickbear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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ron.reagan said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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“How did WWIII begin?”

Slowly then suddenly. https://t.co/aVn0s857lK

— Cernovich (@Cernovich) July 7, 2023

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How did it end? Suddenly and without most of the world involved.

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We are now in WW3???

We went from providing weapons to WW3?? Does the rest of the world know?

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We went from 746 military advisors in Vietnam in 1961....then two years later we had 50,000 Americans in country.

By march of 1965 this was increased to nearly 200,000 men and American troops were engaged in bloody direct combat operations and a full scale war.

Things can happen quickly

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Military advisors have come and gone from hundreds of countries numerous times over the last 70 years, in some cases being virtually permanently stationed.
How many of those countries turned into Vietnam?

We had a MILMISH in Monrovia for a decade. Did it lead us to war?
We had "advisors" on the ground in bush wars all over Africa for decades. Did any of them lead us to war?
I mean, I can get to high five digits just with what I personally saw.
We're talking thousands of advisors every year floating all over the world.

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So your point is that in low intensity conflicts with Bantu majority states in Africa having advisors there does not often drag us into larger conflicts-wars with Nuclear armed nations? Well yes sir...I agree with you.

Unfortunately for the US military and our nation.....China and Russia are not barely functioning Bantu states



***IQ levels might also have something to do with that***

"ethnic Russians obtained a mean British IQ of 96"

"With an average IQ of 104.1, China ranks as the 5th country with the highest IQ in the world"

"Other IQs Around the World ; Malawi: IQ of 60. ; Mozambique: IQ of 64 ; Nigeria: IQ of 69 ; Botswana, Ghana, and Zambia: IQ of 71"

Shoigu announces Lyman offensive in Donetsk:

Redbrickbear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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ron.reagan said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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“How did WWIII begin?”

Slowly then suddenly. https://t.co/aVn0s857lK

— Cernovich (@Cernovich) July 7, 2023

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How did it end? Suddenly and without most of the world involved.

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We are now in WW3???

We went from providing weapons to WW3?? Does the rest of the world know?

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We went from 746 military advisors in Vietnam in 1961....then two years later we had 50,000 Americans in country.

By march of 1965 this was increased to nearly 200,000 men and American troops were engaged in bloody direct combat operations and a full scale war.

Things can happen quickly

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4 years is quickly....

FLBear5630 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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ron.reagan said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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“How did WWIII begin?”

Slowly then suddenly. https://t.co/aVn0s857lK

— Cernovich (@Cernovich) July 7, 2023

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How did it end? Suddenly and without most of the world involved.

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We are now in WW3???

We went from providing weapons to WW3?? Does the rest of the world know?

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We went from 746 military advisors in Vietnam in 1961....then two years later we had 50,000 Americans in country.

By march of 1965 this was increased to nearly 200,000 men and American troops were engaged in bloody direct combat operations and a full scale war.

Things can happen quickly

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4 years is quickly....

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Uh yea,

4 years ago we were not having 3 million illegals pouring across our border, we had not been shut in our homes and watched the world economy come to a standstill because of a pandemic, and Russian ground forces were not in Ukraine.

4 years is not a long time…but a lot can happen.

Redbrickbear said:

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whiterock said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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ron.reagan said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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“How did WWIII begin?”

Slowly then suddenly. https://t.co/aVn0s857lK

— Cernovich (@Cernovich) July 7, 2023

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How did it end? Suddenly and without most of the world involved.

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We are now in WW3???

We went from providing weapons to WW3?? Does the rest of the world know?

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We went from 746 military advisors in Vietnam in 1961....then two years later we had 50,000 Americans in country.

By march of 1965 this was increased to nearly 200,000 men and American troops were engaged in bloody direct combat operations and a full scale war.

Things can happen quickly

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Military advisors have come and gone from hundreds of countries numerous times over the last 70 years, in some cases being virtually permanently stationed.
How many of those countries turned into Vietnam?

We had a MILMISH in Monrovia for a decade. Did it lead us to war?
We had "advisors" on the ground in bush wars all over Africa for decades. Did any of them lead us to war?
I mean, I can get to high five digits just with what I personally saw.
We're talking thousands of advisors every year floating all over the world.

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So your point is that in low intensity conflicts with Bantu majority states in Africa having advisors there does not often drag us into larger conflicts-wars with Nuclear armed nations? Well yes sir...I agree with you.

Unfortunately for the US military and our nation.....China and Russia are not barely functioning Bantu states



***IQ levels might also have something to do with that***

"ethnic Russians obtained a mean British IQ of 96"

"With an average IQ of 104.1, China ranks as the 5th country with the highest IQ in the world"

"Other IQs Around the World ; Malawi: IQ of 60. ; Mozambique: IQ of 64 ; Nigeria: IQ of 69 ; Botswana, Ghana, and Zambia: IQ of 71"

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The implicit premise of your argument is that military training/assistance/aid packages tend to lead to direct involvement in war. Reality shows quite the opposite.

Sam Lowry said:

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Shoigu announces Lyman offensive in Donetsk:

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They're getting pieces of their anatomy handed to them.....

Redbrickbear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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ron.reagan said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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“How did WWIII begin?”

Slowly then suddenly. https://t.co/aVn0s857lK

— Cernovich (@Cernovich) July 7, 2023

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How did it end? Suddenly and without most of the world involved.

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We are now in WW3???

We went from providing weapons to WW3?? Does the rest of the world know?

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We went from 746 military advisors in Vietnam in 1961....then two years later we had 50,000 Americans in country.

By march of 1965 this was increased to nearly 200,000 men and American troops were engaged in bloody direct combat operations and a full scale war.

Things can happen quickly

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4 years is quickly....

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Uh yea,

4 years ago we were not having 3 million illegals pouring across our border, we had not been shut in our homes and watched the world economy come to a standstill because of a pandemic, and Russian ground forces were not in Ukraine.

4 years is not a long time…but a lot can happen.

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No argument.

We fundamentally disagree on this item.

I believe that if there are Nations that want to be free, strengthen economic ties with the West and ask our help. We should. Call me an idealist, but I believe we are Reagan's shining city on the hill and have a responsibility. As a Nation that won freedom, with the help of others, we owe others the same opportunity. Others helped up when we needed it, so we owe on a debt that will never be paid in full (that is the way free Nations should act). Our history has been one of helping freedom, this is the next chapter.

But, I am happy in my naive view of the world, as I am also adult enough to understand that in the details their are always unsavory acts, deals and agreements that have to take place to reach the higher goal. Nothing is totally clean. I accept that.

Ukraine has warts, who doesn't... They are still worth helping. If nothing else, Sweden and Finland are now in more secure situations, so something positive came out of it.

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Sam Lowry said:

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Shoigu announces Lyman offensive in Donetsk:

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They're getting pieces of their anatomy Ukraine handed to them.....

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FIFY

🚨SkyNews went from Melitopol in 3 days, to the war will last multiple generations. 🤷‍♂️

Michael Clarke: “When is the right moment (for Ukraine to join NATO)?

It's probably not the end of the war, because that will be couple of generations away, that might be 20 or 30 years.… pic.twitter.com/TCEg7IQmO7

— Lord Bebo (@MyLordBebo) July 15, 2023

Ok, enough.

Russia, keep Crimes. Pull out of Donbas. Ukraine would are in NATO. Done

FLBear5630 said:

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Ok, enough.

Russia, keep Crimes. Pull out of Donbas. Ukraine would are in NATO. Done

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D.C. will not let that happen.

But it would be a smart, logical, and very pro-peace move.

Instead…this war is gonna drag on a long long time

We're starting to get a pretty good picture of the Russian advance in the north. The offensive has three prongs:

-Through Torske and Zarichne to Lyman
-Through Siversk to Lyman
-Through Novoselivske to Kupiansk

Kharkiv is the end goal.

Kupiansk is an administrative center about 10 km from the front line. Ukrainian government personnel have been evacuating and have issued a general evacuation order.

In the south, Russians are pushing toward Chervone with an eye toward the supply hub of Huliaipole. Capturing Huliaipole would affect Ukrainian supply lines to the east, where Russians also are pushing north toward Velkya Novosilka.

Ukrainians appear to be focused on Robotyne, with the goal of pushing south toward Tokmak and Melitopol.

ETA: Missile strikes also reported from Belgorod into the Kharkiv region.

Redbrickbear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Ok, enough.

Russia, keep Crimes. Pull out of Donbas. Ukraine would are in NATO. Done

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D.C. will not let that happen.

But it would be a smart, logical, and very pro-peace move.

Instead…this war is gonna drag on a long long time

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Uh, there's that little issue of Russia never accepting these terms.

Russian and Ukrainian forces continued limited ground attacks along the #Svatove-Kreminna line in #Luhansk Oblast on July 14. 

A Russian milblogger claimed on July 13 that Russian forces continued successful ground attacks near Torske (15km west of #Kreminna) and partially… https://t.co/9tL6gbhHAM pic.twitter.com/okq0HwMjeo

— ISW (@TheStudyofWar) July 15, 2023

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Pull out of Donbas. Ukraine would are in NATO. Done

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Not going to happen.

John Kirchhofer of the US Defense Intelligence Agency says the Ukraine war is "at a bit of a stalemate."

As for NATO's heavy weapons: "None of these, unfortunately, are the holy grail that Ukraine is looking for that I think will allow them in the near-term to break through." pic.twitter.com/fkUjpVy6Oo

— Aaron Maté (@aaronjmate) July 15, 2023

With apologies to Jack Bauer...

Russia cannot win
We'll fight to the last Ukrainian
It's a stalemate - YOU ARE HERE
We didn't lose, we killed a lot of Russians
We only lost for lack of resolve
Let's try again, and if you don't agree you're a nazi

Sam Lowry said:

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We're starting to get a pretty good picture of the Russian advance in the north. The offensive has three prongs:

-Through Torske and Zarichne to Lyman
-Through Siversk to Lyman
-Through Novoselivske to Kupiansk

Kharkiv is the end goal.

Kupiansk is an administrative center about 10 km from the front line. Ukrainian government personnel have been evacuating and have issued a general evacuation order.

In the south, Russians are pushing toward Chervone with an eye toward the supply hub of Huliaipole. Capturing Huliaipole would affect Ukrainian supply lines to the east, where Russians also are pushing north toward Velkya Novosilka.

Ukrainians appear to be focused on Robotyne, with the goal of pushing south toward Tokmak and Melitopol.

ETA: Missile strikes also reported from Belgorod into the Kharkiv region.

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....except that there is no confirmation that Russia has significantly advanced anywhere in the north.

You should do some research on attrition rates of Russian artillery tubes. They would cause a reasonable mind to wonder about the true objective of Ukrainian operations between Bakhmut and Zapo.

Uke now has a slight advantage in the number of tanks available. Won't be long before same can be said about heavy guns.

“My friends were trained for five days and sent to Donetsk.” — Ukrainian man

This is screwed up … 😢 pic.twitter.com/9MHhvUr0Yn

— Lord Bebo (@MyLordBebo) July 15, 2023

whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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We're starting to get a pretty good picture of the Russian advance in the north. The offensive has three prongs:

-Through Torske and Zarichne to Lyman
-Through Siversk to Lyman
-Through Novoselivske to Kupiansk

Kharkiv is the end goal.

Kupiansk is an administrative center about 10 km from the front line. Ukrainian government personnel have been evacuating and have issued a general evacuation order.

In the south, Russians are pushing toward Chervone with an eye toward the supply hub of Huliaipole. Capturing Huliaipole would affect Ukrainian supply lines to the east, where Russians also are pushing north toward Velkya Novosilka.

Ukrainians appear to be focused on Robotyne, with the goal of pushing south toward Tokmak and Melitopol.

ETA: Missile strikes also reported from Belgorod into the Kharkiv region.

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....except that there is no confirmation that Russia has significantly advanced anywhere in the north.

You should do some research on attrition rates of Russian artillery tubes. They would cause a reasonable mind to wonder about the true objective of Ukrainian operations between Bakhmut and Zapo.

Uke now has a slight advantage in the number of tanks available. Won't be long before same can be said about heavy guns.

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Not sure that will happen with the heavy guns, but again, a minor advantage isn't nearly enough for what they're attempting.

Trump praises Zelensky as “very honorable”. Says he’ll give Ukraine even more weapons. Now we know why he’s campaigning with Lindsey Graham. pic.twitter.com/J3UpVoBEle

— Ian Miles Cheong (@stillgray) July 16, 2023

Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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We're starting to get a pretty good picture of the Russian advance in the north. The offensive has three prongs:

-Through Torske and Zarichne to Lyman
-Through Siversk to Lyman
-Through Novoselivske to Kupiansk

Kharkiv is the end goal.

Kupiansk is an administrative center about 10 km from the front line. Ukrainian government personnel have been evacuating and have issued a general evacuation order.

In the south, Russians are pushing toward Chervone with an eye toward the supply hub of Huliaipole. Capturing Huliaipole would affect Ukrainian supply lines to the east, where Russians also are pushing north toward Velkya Novosilka.

Ukrainians appear to be focused on Robotyne, with the goal of pushing south toward Tokmak and Melitopol.

ETA: Missile strikes also reported from Belgorod into the Kharkiv region.

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....except that there is no confirmation that Russia has significantly advanced anywhere in the north.

You should do some research on attrition rates of Russian artillery tubes. They would cause a reasonable mind to wonder about the true objective of Ukrainian operations between Bakhmut and Zapo.

Uke now has a slight advantage in the number of tanks available. Won't be long before same can be said about heavy guns.

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Not sure that will happen with the heavy guns, but again, a minor advantage isn't nearly enough for what they're attempting.

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It is when the other guy is running out of ammo....

Redbrickbear said:

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Trump praises Zelensky as “very honorable”. Says he’ll give Ukraine even more weapons. Now we know why he’s campaigning with Lindsey Graham. pic.twitter.com/J3UpVoBEle

— Ian Miles Cheong (@stillgray) July 16, 2023

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Very sensible position. Leaves open the option of "just win" while holding out peace terms that are unacceptable to Russia.

War policy critics will to say his position has evolved. Substantively, that not true, but for sure the language has. And there is a reason for that: the American public supports Ukraine winning the war by 75/25. Policy hawks have won the argument (because they are correct).

Only a fool would think that ANY Republican POTUS on the stage at the moment would walk into office and on the first day pull the plug on American support for Ukraine. Such would be so decidedly harmful to American interests that it is literally unthinkable. Regardless the hows & whys of how we got here, the end game matters. Any outcome which leaves Russia in a better position than pre-2014 is a loss. And a loss brings nothing but downside for the USA and Nato.

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Redbrickbear said:

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Trump praises Zelensky as “very honorable”. Says he’ll give Ukraine even more weapons. Now we know why he’s campaigning with Lindsey Graham. pic.twitter.com/J3UpVoBEle

— Ian Miles Cheong (@stillgray) July 16, 2023

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Very sensible position. Leaves open the option of "just win" while holding out peace terms that are unacceptable to Russia.

War policy critics will to say his position has evolved. Substantively, that not true, but for sure the language has. And there is a reason for that: the American public supports Ukraine winning the war by 75/25. Policy hawks have won the argument (because they are correct).

Only a fool would think that ANY Republican POTUS on the stage at the moment would walk into office and on the first day pull the plug on American support for Ukraine. Such would be so decidedly harmful to American interests that it is literally unthinkable. Regardless the hows & whys of how we got here, the end game matters. Any outcome which leaves Russia in a better position than pre-2014 is a loss. And a loss brings nothing but downside for the USA and Nato.

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Ukraine sent a big message this weekend by taking out that bridge. They are not thinking of terms. They have a plan and executing it. The question will be if they can sustain. If they can keep reducing Russian armor and heavy artillery, limit resupply they have a shot. Last piece is air support. Can they get F16s and is that enough? F16s are good, but won't hold up against top Russian fighters. Will Russia commit top line units with China right there?

Heard a joke, the only thing worse than China as your enemy is China as your Allie...

"F16s are good, but won't hold up against top Russian fighters"

Not saying I agree or disagree, but what is that statement based upon?

Thanks.

whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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We're starting to get a pretty good picture of the Russian advance in the north. The offensive has three prongs:

-Through Torske and Zarichne to Lyman
-Through Siversk to Lyman
-Through Novoselivske to Kupiansk

Kharkiv is the end goal.

Kupiansk is an administrative center about 10 km from the front line. Ukrainian government personnel have been evacuating and have issued a general evacuation order.

In the south, Russians are pushing toward Chervone with an eye toward the supply hub of Huliaipole. Capturing Huliaipole would affect Ukrainian supply lines to the east, where Russians also are pushing north toward Velkya Novosilka.

Ukrainians appear to be focused on Robotyne, with the goal of pushing south toward Tokmak and Melitopol.

ETA: Missile strikes also reported from Belgorod into the Kharkiv region.

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....except that there is no confirmation that Russia has significantly advanced anywhere in the north.

You should do some research on attrition rates of Russian artillery tubes. They would cause a reasonable mind to wonder about the true objective of Ukrainian operations between Bakhmut and Zapo.

Uke now has a slight advantage in the number of tanks available. Won't be long before same can be said about heavy guns.

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Not sure that will happen with the heavy guns, but again, a minor advantage isn't nearly enough for what they're attempting.

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It is when the other guy is running out of ammo....

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Sure, but here's the big question -- after the Ukes declare victory in la-la land, what happens in the real world?