Sam Lowry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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This is more evil, radical and dangerous than anything in your wackadoodle article:

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Borrowing money is evil?

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Printing trillions over budget leading to economic turmoil is evil, yes .

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I doubt we'd be better off with more failed businesses resulting in more shortages.

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We'd be better off reducing government spending, significantly.

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Yes, but as the chairman pointed out, there's a right time and a wrong time to prioritize that. The pandemic wasn't the right time.

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The right time to prioritize government spending was at least 30 years ago. My point is we have normalized lunacy. We think our spending is sane, it's not.

Lockdowns and covid measures weren't justified and now we're paying the price.

Record credit card debt.
Millions will lose their jobs and homes.
Kids behind in school.

We're reaping what we sewed and it's getting ugly. This is the price we're paying for you, big pharma and big gov getting their way.

---

A pandemic is a national security issue and a responsibility of the government. You may not agree with everything about the response, but that doesn't make it evil.

Anyway...the less you like big government, the more we need a sane, capable conservative party. Not a bunch of wackadoodles.

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Neocons are the wackadoodles.

Romneys, Grahams, Paul Ryan types are the problem with the GOP.

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Neocons and wackadoodles and Democrats are different manifestations of the same problem, i.e. contempt for the law and the Constitution.

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FIFY

whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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This is more evil, radical and dangerous than anything in your wackadoodle article:

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Borrowing money is evil?

---

Printing trillions over budget leading to economic turmoil is evil, yes .

---

I doubt we'd be better off with more failed businesses resulting in more shortages.

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We'd be better off reducing government spending, significantly.

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Yes, but as the chairman pointed out, there's a right time and a wrong time to prioritize that. The pandemic wasn't the right time.

---

The right time to prioritize government spending was at least 30 years ago. My point is we have normalized lunacy. We think our spending is sane, it's not.

Lockdowns and covid measures weren't justified and now we're paying the price.

Record credit card debt.
Millions will lose their jobs and homes.
Kids behind in school.

We're reaping what we sewed and it's getting ugly. This is the price we're paying for you, big pharma and big gov getting their way.

---

A pandemic is a national security issue and a responsibility of the government. You may not agree with everything about the response, but that doesn't make it evil.

Anyway...the less you like big government, the more we need a sane, capable conservative party. Not a bunch of wackadoodles.

---

Neocons are the wackadoodles.

Romneys, Grahams, Paul Ryan types are the problem with the GOP.

---

Neocons and wackadoodles and Democrats are different manifestations of the same problem, i.e. contempt for the law and the Constitution.

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FIFY

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Bingo. I don't disagree much with Sam on his assessment of the Trump sychophants. The difference between us is I realize that for all of their faults, the wackadoodles are STILL far better than today's Democrat party, which has all of the worst characteristics of the neocons and wackadoodles, and none of the conservative policy to counterbalance it.

In short, I am not willing to cut off my nose to spite my face.

Mothra said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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This is more evil, radical and dangerous than anything in your wackadoodle article:

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Borrowing money is evil?

---

Printing trillions over budget leading to economic turmoil is evil, yes .

---

I doubt we'd be better off with more failed businesses resulting in more shortages.

---

We'd be better off reducing government spending, significantly.

---

Yes, but as the chairman pointed out, there's a right time and a wrong time to prioritize that. The pandemic wasn't the right time.

---

The right time to prioritize government spending was at least 30 years ago. My point is we have normalized lunacy. We think our spending is sane, it's not.

Lockdowns and covid measures weren't justified and now we're paying the price.

Record credit card debt.
Millions will lose their jobs and homes.
Kids behind in school.

We're reaping what we sewed and it's getting ugly. This is the price we're paying for you, big pharma and big gov getting their way.

---

A pandemic is a national security issue and a responsibility of the government. You may not agree with everything about the response, but that doesn't make it evil.

Anyway...the less you like big government, the more we need a sane, capable conservative party. Not a bunch of wackadoodles.

---

Neocons are the wackadoodles.

Romneys, Grahams, Paul Ryan types are the problem with the GOP.

---

Neocons and wackadoodles and Democrats are different manifestations of the same problem, i.e. contempt for the law and the Constitution.

---

FIFY

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Bingo. I don't disagree much with Sam on his assessment of the Trump sychophants. The difference between us is I realize that for all of their faults, the wackadoodles are STILL far better than today's Democrat party, which has all of the worst characteristics of the neocons and wackadoodles, and none of the conservative policy to counterbalance it.

Sam would cut off his nose to spite his face.

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Dems have the worst qualities of the neocons, but they are basically rational for the most part. That's the difference between them and the wackadoodles.

Sam Lowry said:

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Mothra said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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This is more evil, radical and dangerous than anything in your wackadoodle article:

---

Borrowing money is evil?

---

Printing trillions over budget leading to economic turmoil is evil, yes .

---

I doubt we'd be better off with more failed businesses resulting in more shortages.

---

We'd be better off reducing government spending, significantly.

---

Yes, but as the chairman pointed out, there's a right time and a wrong time to prioritize that. The pandemic wasn't the right time.

---

The right time to prioritize government spending was at least 30 years ago. My point is we have normalized lunacy. We think our spending is sane, it's not.

Lockdowns and covid measures weren't justified and now we're paying the price.

Record credit card debt.
Millions will lose their jobs and homes.
Kids behind in school.

We're reaping what we sewed and it's getting ugly. This is the price we're paying for you, big pharma and big gov getting their way.

---

A pandemic is a national security issue and a responsibility of the government. You may not agree with everything about the response, but that doesn't make it evil.

Anyway...the less you like big government, the more we need a sane, capable conservative party. Not a bunch of wackadoodles.

---

Neocons are the wackadoodles.

Romneys, Grahams, Paul Ryan types are the problem with the GOP.

---

Neocons and wackadoodles and Democrats are different manifestations of the same problem, i.e. contempt for the law and the Constitution.

---

FIFY

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Bingo. I don't disagree much with Sam on his assessment of the Trump sychophants. The difference between us is I realize that for all of their faults, the wackadoodles are STILL far better than today's Democrat party, which has all of the worst characteristics of the neocons and wackadoodles, and none of the conservative policy to counterbalance it.

Sam would cut off his nose to spite his face.

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Dems have the worst qualities of the neocons, but they are basically rational for the most part. That's the difference between them and the wackadoodles.

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lol wut?

Sam Lowry said:

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Mothra said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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This is more evil, radical and dangerous than anything in your wackadoodle article:

---

Borrowing money is evil?

---

Printing trillions over budget leading to economic turmoil is evil, yes .

---

I doubt we'd be better off with more failed businesses resulting in more shortages.

---

We'd be better off reducing government spending, significantly.

---

Yes, but as the chairman pointed out, there's a right time and a wrong time to prioritize that. The pandemic wasn't the right time.

---

The right time to prioritize government spending was at least 30 years ago. My point is we have normalized lunacy. We think our spending is sane, it's not.

Lockdowns and covid measures weren't justified and now we're paying the price.

Record credit card debt.
Millions will lose their jobs and homes.
Kids behind in school.

We're reaping what we sewed and it's getting ugly. This is the price we're paying for you, big pharma and big gov getting their way.

---

A pandemic is a national security issue and a responsibility of the government. You may not agree with everything about the response, but that doesn't make it evil.

Anyway...the less you like big government, the more we need a sane, capable conservative party. Not a bunch of wackadoodles.

---

Neocons are the wackadoodles.

Romneys, Grahams, Paul Ryan types are the problem with the GOP.

---

Neocons and wackadoodles and Democrats are different manifestations of the same problem, i.e. contempt for the law and the Constitution.

---

FIFY

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Bingo. I don't disagree much with Sam on his assessment of the Trump sychophants. The difference between us is I realize that for all of their faults, the wackadoodles are STILL far better than today's Democrat party, which has all of the worst characteristics of the neocons and wackadoodles, and none of the conservative policy to counterbalance it.

Sam would cut off his nose to spite his face.

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Dems have the worst qualities of the neocons, but they are basically rational for the most part. That's the difference between them and the wackadoodles.

---

Ah, so you're referring to Democrat COVID policy, I see, or are you actually suggesting Democrat spending policy, immigration policy, climate policy and gender and sexuality policy is rational?

If you prefer the current state of affairs to Trump's presidency, you might consider you are no longer a conservative, my friend.

Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Mothra said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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This is more evil, radical and dangerous than anything in your wackadoodle article:

---

Borrowing money is evil?

---

Printing trillions over budget leading to economic turmoil is evil, yes .

---

I doubt we'd be better off with more failed businesses resulting in more shortages.

---

We'd be better off reducing government spending, significantly.

---

Yes, but as the chairman pointed out, there's a right time and a wrong time to prioritize that. The pandemic wasn't the right time.

---

The right time to prioritize government spending was at least 30 years ago. My point is we have normalized lunacy. We think our spending is sane, it's not.

Lockdowns and covid measures weren't justified and now we're paying the price.

Record credit card debt.
Millions will lose their jobs and homes.
Kids behind in school.

We're reaping what we sewed and it's getting ugly. This is the price we're paying for you, big pharma and big gov getting their way.

---

A pandemic is a national security issue and a responsibility of the government. You may not agree with everything about the response, but that doesn't make it evil.

Anyway...the less you like big government, the more we need a sane, capable conservative party. Not a bunch of wackadoodles.

---

Neocons are the wackadoodles.

Romneys, Grahams, Paul Ryan types are the problem with the GOP.

---

Neocons and wackadoodles and Democrats are different manifestations of the same problem, i.e. contempt for the law and the Constitution.

---

FIFY

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Bingo. I don't disagree much with Sam on his assessment of the Trump sychophants. The difference between us is I realize that for all of their faults, the wackadoodles are STILL far better than today's Democrat party, which has all of the worst characteristics of the neocons and wackadoodles, and none of the conservative policy to counterbalance it.

Sam would cut off his nose to spite his face.

---

Dems have the worst qualities of the neocons, but they are basically rational for the most part. That's the difference between them and the wackadoodles.

---

Ah, so you're referring to Democrat COVID policy, I see, or are you actually suggesting Democrat spending policy, immigration policy, climate policy and gender and sexuality policy is rational?

If you prefer the current state of affairs to Trump's presidency, you might consider you are no longer a conservative, my friend.

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I'm not talking about policy at all. Rational people can disagree about most issues, including Covid. What they can't do is look at the evidence and conclude that the election was stolen, or that the vaccine has killed millions, or that QAnon is a reliable source.

Sam Lowry said:

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Mothra said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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This is more evil, radical and dangerous than anything in your wackadoodle article:

---

Borrowing money is evil?

---

Printing trillions over budget leading to economic turmoil is evil, yes .

---

I doubt we'd be better off with more failed businesses resulting in more shortages.

---

We'd be better off reducing government spending, significantly.

---

Yes, but as the chairman pointed out, there's a right time and a wrong time to prioritize that. The pandemic wasn't the right time.

---

The right time to prioritize government spending was at least 30 years ago. My point is we have normalized lunacy. We think our spending is sane, it's not.

Lockdowns and covid measures weren't justified and now we're paying the price.

Record credit card debt.
Millions will lose their jobs and homes.
Kids behind in school.

We're reaping what we sewed and it's getting ugly. This is the price we're paying for you, big pharma and big gov getting their way.

---

A pandemic is a national security issue and a responsibility of the government. You may not agree with everything about the response, but that doesn't make it evil.

Anyway...the less you like big government, the more we need a sane, capable conservative party. Not a bunch of wackadoodles.

---

Neocons are the wackadoodles.

Romneys, Grahams, Paul Ryan types are the problem with the GOP.

---

Neocons and wackadoodles and Democrats are different manifestations of the same problem, i.e. contempt for the law and the Constitution.

---

FIFY

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Bingo. I don't disagree much with Sam on his assessment of the Trump sychophants. The difference between us is I realize that for all of their faults, the wackadoodles are STILL far better than today's Democrat party, which has all of the worst characteristics of the neocons and wackadoodles, and none of the conservative policy to counterbalance it.

Sam would cut off his nose to spite his face.

---

Dems have the worst qualities of the neocons, but they are basically rational for the most part. That's the difference between them and the wackadoodles.

---

Ah, so you're referring to Democrat COVID policy, I see, or are you actually suggesting Democrat spending policy, immigration policy, climate policy and gender and sexuality policy is rational?

If you prefer the current state of affairs to Trump's presidency, you might consider you are no longer a conservative, my friend.

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I'm not talking about policy at all. Rational people can disagree about most issues, including Covid. What they can't do is look at the evidence and conclude that the election was stolen in 2016 or that the vaccine has stopped millions from catching and spreading Covid, or that the mainstream media is a reliable non-biased source.

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Sam: "Dems have the worst qualities of the neocons, but they are basically rational for the most part."

Judging by the last 15 years, that statement is very much false.

Sam Lowry said:

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Mothra said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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This is more evil, radical and dangerous than anything in your wackadoodle article:

---

Borrowing money is evil?

---

Printing trillions over budget leading to economic turmoil is evil, yes .

---

I doubt we'd be better off with more failed businesses resulting in more shortages.

---

We'd be better off reducing government spending, significantly.

---

Yes, but as the chairman pointed out, there's a right time and a wrong time to prioritize that. The pandemic wasn't the right time.

---

The right time to prioritize government spending was at least 30 years ago. My point is we have normalized lunacy. We think our spending is sane, it's not.

Lockdowns and covid measures weren't justified and now we're paying the price.

Record credit card debt.
Millions will lose their jobs and homes.
Kids behind in school.

We're reaping what we sewed and it's getting ugly. This is the price we're paying for you, big pharma and big gov getting their way.

---

A pandemic is a national security issue and a responsibility of the government. You may not agree with everything about the response, but that doesn't make it evil.

Anyway...the less you like big government, the more we need a sane, capable conservative party. Not a bunch of wackadoodles.

---

Neocons are the wackadoodles.

Romneys, Grahams, Paul Ryan types are the problem with the GOP.

---

Neocons and wackadoodles and Democrats are different manifestations of the same problem, i.e. contempt for the law and the Constitution.

---

FIFY

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Bingo. I don't disagree much with Sam on his assessment of the Trump sychophants. The difference between us is I realize that for all of their faults, the wackadoodles are STILL far better than today's Democrat party, which has all of the worst characteristics of the neocons and wackadoodles, and none of the conservative policy to counterbalance it.

Sam would cut off his nose to spite his face.

---

Dems have the worst qualities of the neocons, but they are basically rational for the most part. That's the difference between them and the wackadoodles.

---

Ah, so you're referring to Democrat COVID policy, I see, or are you actually suggesting Democrat spending policy, immigration policy, climate policy and gender and sexuality policy is rational?

If you prefer the current state of affairs to Trump's presidency, you might consider you are no longer a conservative, my friend.

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I'm not talking about policy at all. Rational people can disagree about most issues, including Covid. What they can't do is look at the evidence and conclude that the election was stolen, or that the vaccine has killed millions, or that QAnon is a reliable source.

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Why aren't you more concerned with politicians who subscribe to an irrational policy? You prefer irrational policy to some bumpkin who thinks the election was stolen? You think one's personal belief regarding the latter is more harmful than an irrational policy that will affect 350 million people?

No doubt, there are a couple of true believers in the party in the form of Taylor-Greene and Boebert, both of whom have been marginalized by their fellow Republicans in congress. The idea that the Republican Party is filled with irrational people or is about to usher in a wave of Taylor-Green's and Boebert's demonstrates a gross misjudgment of the current state of the party. There are smart people in the party who are also smart politicians, and know that crossing Trump does not get them elected. You may find it distasteful that they are paying lip service to him, but that doesn't make them irrational.

I would respectfully submit that Trump has become such a bogeyman in your mind it's caused you to seriously misjudge the current state of affairs.

Sam Lowry said:

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Mothra said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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This is more evil, radical and dangerous than anything in your wackadoodle article:

---

Borrowing money is evil?

---

Printing trillions over budget leading to economic turmoil is evil, yes .

---

I doubt we'd be better off with more failed businesses resulting in more shortages.

---

We'd be better off reducing government spending, significantly.

---

Yes, but as the chairman pointed out, there's a right time and a wrong time to prioritize that. The pandemic wasn't the right time.

---

The right time to prioritize government spending was at least 30 years ago. My point is we have normalized lunacy. We think our spending is sane, it's not.

Lockdowns and covid measures weren't justified and now we're paying the price.

Record credit card debt.
Millions will lose their jobs and homes.
Kids behind in school.

We're reaping what we sewed and it's getting ugly. This is the price we're paying for you, big pharma and big gov getting their way.

---

A pandemic is a national security issue and a responsibility of the government. You may not agree with everything about the response, but that doesn't make it evil.

Anyway...the less you like big government, the more we need a sane, capable conservative party. Not a bunch of wackadoodles.

---

Neocons are the wackadoodles.

Romneys, Grahams, Paul Ryan types are the problem with the GOP.

---

Neocons and wackadoodles and Democrats are different manifestations of the same problem, i.e. contempt for the law and the Constitution.

---

FIFY

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Bingo. I don't disagree much with Sam on his assessment of the Trump sychophants. The difference between us is I realize that for all of their faults, the wackadoodles are STILL far better than today's Democrat party, which has all of the worst characteristics of the neocons and wackadoodles, and none of the conservative policy to counterbalance it.

Sam would cut off his nose to spite his face.

---

Dems have the worst qualities of the neocons, but they are basically rational for the most part. That's the difference between them and the wackadoodles.

---

Ah, so you're referring to Democrat COVID policy, I see, or are you actually suggesting Democrat spending policy, immigration policy, climate policy and gender and sexuality policy is rational?

If you prefer the current state of affairs to Trump's presidency, you might consider you are no longer a conservative, my friend.

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I'm not talking about policy at all. Rational people can disagree about most issues, including Covid. What they can't do is look at the evidence and conclude that the election was stolen, or that the vaccine has killed millions, or that QAnon is a reliable source.

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rational people can look at the evidence and conclude that there's no way to tell whether the election was stolen or not, its impossible to complete a puzzle if pieces are missing.

rational people can look at the evidence and conclude that we don't know whether the vaccine has killed people or not as we're still getting more information daily and we're seeing more and more instances of medical conditions in people that normally dont have them.

I'm still waiting for somebody to tell me what the heck a QAnon is and where are you would find this information to begin with..

Social media sites are a micro that doesnt mimic the macro. They are the loudest and most opinionated of a side but do not reflect the actuality of that side.. the silent 90% are the rational ones

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Neocons and wackadoodles and Democrats are different manifestations of the same problem, i.e. contempt for the law and the Constitution.

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Bingo. I don't disagree much with Sam on his assessment of the Trump sychophants. The difference between us is I realize that for all of their faults, the wackadoodles are STILL far better than today's Democrat party, which has all of the worst characteristics of the neocons and wackadoodles, and none of the conservative policy to counterbalance it.

Sam would cut off his nose to spite his face.

---

Dems have the worst qualities of the neocons, but they are basically rational for the most part. That's the difference between them and the wackadoodles.

---

Ah, so you're referring to Democrat COVID policy, I see, or are you actually suggesting Democrat spending policy, immigration policy, climate policy and gender and sexuality policy is rational?

If you prefer the current state of affairs to Trump's presidency, you might consider you are no longer a conservative, my friend.

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I'm not talking about policy at all. Rational people can disagree about most issues, including Covid. What they can't do is look at the evidence and conclude that the election was stolen, or that the vaccine has killed millions, or that QAnon is a reliable source.

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or that Trump/Russia stole the 2016 race, that systemic oppression is real, that it is entirely appropriate for trannies to do drag shows in 3rd grade classrooms, or that 10yr old kids should have their anatomy reconfigured to fit their understanding of reality, or that a full-term baby is just a "collection of cells," that anyone who complains at a school board meeting is a terrorist, that.......

Qanon conspiracy quackery is harmless and highly amusing compared the full-bore FBI-enforced derangement of Democrat rank & file.

Madmen don't become powerful because everyone is mad. They become powerful because others go along with them. I understand what the so-called grown-ups are trying to do -- just hang on until Trump is off the scene. Meanwhile the madness gets more and more entrenched.

Sam Lowry said:

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Mothra said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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This is more evil, radical and dangerous than anything in your wackadoodle article:

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Borrowing money is evil?

---

Printing trillions over budget leading to economic turmoil is evil, yes .

---

I doubt we'd be better off with more failed businesses resulting in more shortages.

---

We'd be better off reducing government spending, significantly.

---

Yes, but as the chairman pointed out, there's a right time and a wrong time to prioritize that. The pandemic wasn't the right time.

---

The right time to prioritize government spending was at least 30 years ago. My point is we have normalized lunacy. We think our spending is sane, it's not.

Lockdowns and covid measures weren't justified and now we're paying the price.

Record credit card debt.
Millions will lose their jobs and homes.
Kids behind in school.

We're reaping what we sewed and it's getting ugly. This is the price we're paying for you, big pharma and big gov getting their way.

---

A pandemic is a national security issue and a responsibility of the government. You may not agree with everything about the response, but that doesn't make it evil.

Anyway...the less you like big government, the more we need a sane, capable conservative party. Not a bunch of wackadoodles.

---

Neocons are the wackadoodles.

Romneys, Grahams, Paul Ryan types are the problem with the GOP.

---

Neocons and wackadoodles and Democrats are different manifestations of the same problem, i.e. contempt for the law and the Constitution.

---

FIFY

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Bingo. I don't disagree much with Sam on his assessment of the Trump sychophants. The difference between us is I realize that for all of their faults, the wackadoodles are STILL far better than today's Democrat party, which has all of the worst characteristics of the neocons and wackadoodles, and none of the conservative policy to counterbalance it.

Sam would cut off his nose to spite his face.

---

Dems have the worst qualities of the neocons, but they are basically rational for the most part. That's the difference between them and the wackadoodles.

---

Ah, so you're referring to Democrat COVID policy, I see, or are you actually suggesting Democrat spending policy, immigration policy, climate policy and gender and sexuality policy is rational?

If you prefer the current state of affairs to Trump's presidency, you might consider you are no longer a conservative, my friend.

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I'm not talking about policy at all. Rational people can disagree about most issues, including Covid. What they can't do is look at the evidence and conclude that the election was stolen, or that the vaccine has killed millions, or that QAnon is a reliable source.

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I'm not talking about policy at all. Rational people can disagree about most issues, including Covid. What they can't do is look at the evidence and conclude that the 2000, 2004, 2016 and elections were stolen, or that the vaccine prevents Covid transmission, kids should be vaccinated, men can give birth, voter ID laws are the New Jim Crow, or that "experts" are reliable sources.

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Madmen don't become powerful because everyone is mad. They become powerful because others go along with them. I understand what the so-called grown-ups are try to do -- just hand on until Trump is off the scene. Meanwhile the madness gets more and more entrenched.

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What "madness" is becoming entrenched exactly, and how is sitting out the election or voting Democrat going to help fight the madness? The "madman" will be 78 years old the next election cycle. The "madman" can't change the result of the 2020 election. The "madman" still has the requisite checks and balances in place to control his worst impulses. There is little he can do to "destroy" Democracy.

Again, I would submit that Trump has become such a bogeyman in your mind it's caused you to seriously misjudge the purported threat. There is little evidence that 2022 will be ushering in a wave of Taylor-Greene's and Boebert's.

Checks and balances work because human beings make them work. When reasonable people are afraid to speak up, sooner or later they stop working. We wouldn't be the first country where it happened. The guardrails have been badly damaged already.

"What's a QAnon?" is way past its sell-by date.

Sam Lowry said:

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Madmen don't become powerful because everyone is mad. They become powerful because others go along with them. I understand what the so-called grown-ups are trying to do -- just hang on until Trump is off the scene. Meanwhile the madness gets more and more entrenched.

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would weaponizing the DOJ, FBI and IRS be a sign of a madman? Would failing to speak out against such, in essence, be the same as "going along with them"?

Are you mad?

Sam Lowry said:

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Checks and balances work because human beings make them work. When reasonable people are afraid to speak up, sooner or later they stop working. We wouldn't be the first country where it happened. The guardrails have been badly damaged already.

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What checks and balances have been damaged because of Trump and people like Taylor-Greene and Boebert? Please be specific in your answer. And do you prefer Democrats to Trump supporters in Congress? I take it your answer is yes, but just want to be sure.

I also take it based on your answer that you truly believe a Trump election, or a "wave" of Boebert and Taylor-Greene's being elected could result in the end of democracy? Which specific candidates do you think fit that mold?

And finally, do you believe it is possible that your are making a mountain out of a molehill?

Sam Lowry said:

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"What's a QAnon?" is way past its sell-by date.

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ok, so whats a Q anon?

All I have heard is people talk about it and mention wild stuff about it but never seen any evidence of it being something other than that..

Sam Lowry said:

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"What's a QAnon?" is way past its sell-by date.

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Well, except there is no good or specific definition, or identification of those who actually buy these alleged QAnon conspiracies. One would think given the alleged threat we are told it has become, we could be more specific in what it represents and who actually supports it.

You might consider that alleged support for QAnon conspiracy theories has likewise become a bogeyman used to scare voters into voting Democrat. It's pretty difficult to point to QAnon as a pervasive problem when the couple of candidates who have expressed some support of it in the past (again, marginalized bumpkins Taylor-Greene and Boebert) have since renounced any support for it, and claim they were misled.

Sam Lowry said:

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Checks and balances work because human beings make them work. When reasonable people are afraid to speak up, sooner or later they stop working. We wouldn't be the first country where it happened. The guardrails have been badly damaged already.

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The guardrails are totally gone.

Did you watch the Dillon Mulvany interview with Biden about children being allowed to mutilate their bodies, otherwise called "gender affirming procedures/therapy"

So you have a man, who created himself into a "woman" interviewing a man who is unfortunately the president,
and they are both agreeing Minor children should be able to have "gender affirming medical procedures", and the president is saying he will come against any state trying to stop this evil practice.

That the vast majority of people aren't outraged by this garbage, tells us all how far off the rails our culture is.

Therapist need to be dealing with the mental illness that cause people to want to do this. Not foster a culture that encourages minor children to chop off their natural genitals, and pump hormones into their bodies that are against the nature of their body.

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Sam Lowry said:

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Madmen don't become powerful because everyone is mad. They become powerful because others go along with them. I understand what the so-called grown-ups are trying to do -- just hang on until Trump is off the scene. Meanwhile the madness gets more and more entrenched.

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would weaponizing the DOJ, FBI and IRS be a sign of a madman? Would failing to speak out against such, in essence, be the same as "going along with them"?

Are you mad?

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I spoke tirelessly against the weaponization of the DOJ, FBI, and IRS. That buys me zero credibility with Trumpists today. All that matters is loyalty to the Leader.

arbys therapy - a modern branch of frankl's logotherapy.

in bubulae est remedium.

- KKM

{ sipping coffee }

{ eating donut }

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Sam Lowry said:

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Checks and balances work because human beings make them work. When reasonable people are afraid to speak up, sooner or later they stop working. We wouldn't be the first country where it happened. The guardrails have been badly damaged already.

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The guardrails are totally gone.

Did you watch the Dillon Mulvany interview with Biden about children being allowed to mutilate their bodies, otherwise called "gender affirming procedures/therapy"

So you have a man, who created himself into a "woman" interviewing a man who is unfortunately the president,
and they are both agreeing Minor children should be able to have "gender affirming medical procedures", and the president is saying he will come against any state trying to stop this evil practice.

That the vast majority of people aren't outraged by this garbage, tells us all how far off the rails our culture is.

Therapist need to be dealing with the mental illness that cause people to want to do this. Not foster a culture that encourages minor children to chop off their natural genitals, and pump hormones into their bodies that are against the nature of their body.

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Indeed. It is incredible to me after watching the depraved policies this admin supports that any true conservative would prefer the current **** show to Trump supporters.

It should be a complete no brainer for any conservative.

Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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"What's a QAnon?" is way past its sell-by date.

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Well, except there is no good or specific definition, or identification of those who actually buy these alleged QAnon conspiracies. One would think given the alleged threat we are told it has become, we could be more specific in what it represents and who actually supports it.

You might consider that alleged support for QAnon conspiracy theories has likewise become a bogeyman used to scare voters into voting Democrat. It's pretty difficult to point to QAnon as a pervasive problem when the couple of candidates who have expressed some support of it in the past (again, marginalized bumpkins Taylor-Greene and Boebert) have since renounced any support for it, and claim they were misled.

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This is very similar to what the left says about CRT -- it can't be defined, it has no real influence, it's nothing but a scare tactic. The argument is wrong in both cases.

Sam Lowry said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Madmen don't become powerful because everyone is mad. They become powerful because others go along with them. I understand what the so-called grown-ups are trying to do -- just hang on until Trump is off the scene. Meanwhile the madness gets more and more entrenched.

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would weaponizing the DOJ, FBI and IRS be a sign of a madman? Would failing to speak out against such, in essence, be the same as "going along with them"?

Are you mad?

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I spoke tirelessly against the weaponization of the DOJ, FBI, and IRS. That buys me zero credibility with Trumpists today. All that matters is loyalty to the Leader.

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IMO, It's your inability to be pragmatic that loses you credibility with conservatives. I am no Trumpist, and have been very vocal about preferring any Republican to Trump, but you don't see me getting attacked by Trumpists. It's because I have the foresight to realize he's better than the current **** show.

Forest Bueller_bf said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Checks and balances work because human beings make them work. When reasonable people are afraid to speak up, sooner or later they stop working. We wouldn't be the first country where it happened. The guardrails have been badly damaged already.

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The guardrails are totally gone.

Did you watch the Dillon Mulvany interview with Biden about children being allowed to mutilate their bodies, otherwise called "gender affirming procedures/therapy"

So you have a man, who created himself into a "woman" interviewing a man who is unfortunately the president,
and they are both agreeing Minor children should be able to have "gender affirming medical procedures", and the president is saying he will come against any state trying to stop this evil practice.

That the vast majority of people aren't outraged by this garbage, tells us all how far off the rails our culture is.

Therapist need to be dealing with the mental illness that cause people to want to do this. Not foster a culture that encourages minor children to chop off their natural genitals, and pump hormones into their bodies that are against the nature of their body.

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Not yet totally gone, but otherwise I agree.

Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Madmen don't become powerful because everyone is mad. They become powerful because others go along with them. I understand what the so-called grown-ups are trying to do -- just hang on until Trump is off the scene. Meanwhile the madness gets more and more entrenched.

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would weaponizing the DOJ, FBI and IRS be a sign of a madman? Would failing to speak out against such, in essence, be the same as "going along with them"?

Are you mad?

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I spoke tirelessly against the weaponization of the DOJ, FBI, and IRS. That buys me zero credibility with Trumpists today. All that matters is loyalty to the Leader.

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IMO, It's your inability to be pragmatic that loses you credibility with conservatives. I am no Trumpist, and have been very vocal about preferring any Republican to Trump, but you don't see me getting attacked by Trumpists. It's because I have the foresight to realize he's better than the current **** show.

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I'm pragmatic in the long term. I can tolerate some losses for the sake of the republic.

Sam Lowry said:

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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"What's a QAnon?" is way past its sell-by date.

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Well, except there is no good or specific definition, or identification of those who actually buy these alleged QAnon conspiracies. One would think given the alleged threat we are told it has become, we could be more specific in what it represents and who actually supports it.

You might consider that alleged support for QAnon conspiracy theories has likewise become a bogeyman used to scare voters into voting Democrat. It's pretty difficult to point to QAnon as a pervasive problem when the couple of candidates who have expressed some support of it in the past (again, marginalized bumpkins Taylor-Greene and Boebert) have since renounced any support for it, and claim they were misled.

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This is very similar to what the left says about CRT -- it can't be defined, it has no real influence, it's nothing but a scare tactic. The argument is wrong in both cases.

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Well, if that is true, it should be fairly easy for you to identify the specific QAnon theories that members of congress currently embrace, and the specific congressmen who embrace them. What and who are they?

Sam Lowry said:

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Madmen don't become powerful because everyone is mad. They become powerful because others go along with them. I understand what the so-called grown-ups are trying to do -- just hang on until Trump is off the scene. Meanwhile the madness gets more and more entrenched.

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would weaponizing the DOJ, FBI and IRS be a sign of a madman? Would failing to speak out against such, in essence, be the same as "going along with them"?

Are you mad?

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I spoke tirelessly against the weaponization of the DOJ, FBI, and IRS. That buys me zero credibility with Trumpists today. All that matters is loyalty to the Leader.

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IMO, It's your inability to be pragmatic that loses you credibility with conservatives. I am no Trumpist, and have been very vocal about preferring any Republican to Trump, but you don't see me getting attacked by Trumpists. It's because I have the foresight to realize he's better than the current **** show.

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I'm pragmatic in the long term. I can tolerate some losses for the sake of the republic.

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Pragmatism requires dealing with things sensibly and realistically. In other words, your belief that sitting out the election or voting Democrat will save the Republic has to be sensible and/or realistic.

It's neither.

Sam Lowry said:

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"What's a QAnon?" is way past its sell-by date.

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Yet you keep peddling QAnon references as if they were fresh, Sam.

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Sam Lowry said:

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"What's a QAnon?" is way past its sell-by date.

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Yet you keep peddling QAnon references as if they were fresh, Sam.

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The only people who believe in QAnon are Democrats. In the typical every accusation is a confession, only mainstream Democrats are actively peddling conspiracy theories about threats to democracy, stolen elections, systematic t'racism, etc.

Trump was president for four years. None of the fever dream accusations made then or now came to fruition. I too wish Trump would go away. However, the actual threats to democracy are in the current administration. Unlike the wackadoodle wokeys, I can actually point to specifics:
- Consolidation of power under the Administrative state
- Anti-constitutional "laws" passed without the consent of Congress
- Active campaigns to suppress information that disagrees with the regime
- Weoponizing law enforcement to function as a stasi-type group to bully regime opponents
- Sowing lack of confidence in elections
- Undermining an entire branch of government because it does not always vote with the regime
- Seeking to change long-established institutions in order to hold onto power
- Seeking to change long-established polity and protocol for political distractions
- Actively seeking foreign interference in our elections

Those are actual and real threats to democracy launched by this regime. A key sign is when a Democrat accuses an opponent of doing something, they are actually doing it.