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OsoCoreyell
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10:27a, 11/23/22
In the past, I've been pretty libertarian about certain drugs - e.g. weed. My default position is that we should err on the side of freedom in this country. I certainly saw folks using weed in high school - I never did, but it didn't seem that much more dangerous than alcohol.

But I've been doing a good bit of pro bono legal work for high school kids and young adults charged with minor drug crimes like possession of small amounts of weed, etc. The stories from some of these kids is really making me reassess. The weed sold today is VERY potent, and I've seen some young adults who I've watched go from engaged, pretty normal people to something very different in a short amount of time - like 3 months. Its been eye opening and scary. That stuff is not like what I remember.
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10:38a, 11/23/22
Fentanyl is a game changer. It is combined with a wide variety of illicit drugs. One bad pill, and you're dead.

Anyone wanting to legally use dangerous drugs should move to Pennsylvania.
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In reply to OsoCoreyell • 10:39a, 11/23/22
OsoCoreyell said:
In the past, I've been pretty libertarian about certain drugs - e.g. weed. My default position is that we should err on the side of freedom in this country. I certainly saw folks using weed in high school - I never did, but it didn't seem that much more dangerous than alcohol.

But I've been doing a good bit of pro bono legal work for high school kids and young adults charged with minor drug crimes like possession of small amounts of weed, etc. The stories from some of these kids is really making me reassess. The weed sold today is VERY potent, and I've seen some young adults who I've watched go from engaged, pretty normal people to something very different in a short amount of time - like 3 months. Its been eye opening and scary. That stuff is not like what I remember.


Yep,

1985 level weed should probably be legalized.

The stuff they are growing and making today is literally causing mental breakdowns it's so strong.

[Is Marijuana Really Stronger Than Ever? The answer is yes. The potency of marijuana, indeed, has increased over time. A study that analyzed over 38,000 illicit marijuana samples provided by the DEA from 1995 to 2014 determined that its potency had approximately tripled in that period.]

https://www.livescience.com/53644-marijuana-is-stronger-now-than-20-years-ago.html



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In reply to Redbrickbear • 11:20a, 11/23/22
Redbrickbear said:
OsoCoreyell said:
In the past, I've been pretty libertarian about certain drugs - e.g. weed. My default position is that we should err on the side of freedom in this country. I certainly saw folks using weed in high school - I never did, but it didn't seem that much more dangerous than alcohol.

But I've been doing a good bit of pro bono legal work for high school kids and young adults charged with minor drug crimes like possession of small amounts of weed, etc. The stories from some of these kids is really making me reassess. The weed sold today is VERY potent, and I've seen some young adults who I've watched go from engaged, pretty normal people to something very different in a short amount of time - like 3 months. Its been eye opening and scary. That stuff is not like what I remember.


Yep,

1985 level weed should probably be legalized.

The stuff they are growing and making today is literally causing mental breakdowns it's so strong.

[Is Marijuana Really Stronger Than Ever? The answer is yes. The potency of marijuana, indeed, has increased over time. A study that analyzed over 38,000 illicit marijuana samples provided by the DEA from 1995 to 2014 determined that its potency had approximately tripled in that period.]

https://www.livescience.com/53644-marijuana-is-stronger-now-than-20-years-ago.html



Cannabis is no joke.

People get hooked on it now because the potency is ridiculous. It causes all sorts of digestive issues and anxiety problems. Prevents you from getting to REM sleep as well. One the biggest issues is people chasing highs they're never going to have again because tolerance to THC is extremely fast.

Cannabis hyperemsis syndrome is dangerous too.

I know a few people who rip the bong 10+ times a day and they're just not the same people they used to be.

I've used it before and it can make you feel euphoric, but it can also make you feel complete dread and terror like you're about to die.
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11:35a, 11/23/22
I have never used it beyond half a brownie 2 years ago. I felt fine and friends said i was friendier than usual. I have chosen not to smoke it and will probably never use it again. I make that choice for me. I would never make a choice for you. Doesnt the government have better ways to spend our money than protectingyou from you?

Btw alcohol is much stronger and addictive. I choose to frink a few beers once or twice a month. I guess i should thank you for letting me.
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11:58a, 11/23/22
Very good point. I think there is a holdover mentality of 70s pot smoking that a little weed is fun from time to time, but like you have shared, I too know young people that went from motivated leaders to effectively drop outs driven only by chronic marijuana use. The idea that "weed is harmless" is dangerous and incorrect.

Not to mention the dangers of fentanyl. We buried two family members recently whose "innocent" night of recreational drug use led to tragic death because of fentanyl-laced drugs. With gummies and other ways to take marijuana, it is too easy to lace it with killer drugs.

I am not optimistic there is an easy solution because like everything else there quickly will emerge two camps neither wanting a solution but just attacking the other.
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In reply to Limited IQ Redneck in PU • 12:47p, 11/23/22
Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:
I have never used it beyond half a brownie 2 years ago. I felt fine and friends said i was friendier than usual. I have chosen not to smoke it and will probably never use it again. I make that choice for me. I would never make a choice for you. Doesnt the government have better ways to spend our money than protectingyou from you?

Btw alcohol is much stronger and addictive. I choose to frink a few beers once or twice a month. I guess i should thank you for letting me.
No. Thank the strawman you made. He's the one that believes your right to drink is dependent upon his approval. Its such an obviously bad position for him to hold its a wonder he ever thought of it.
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12:57p, 11/23/22
If you think weed is addictive you should try Oreos
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1:24p, 11/23/22
I was talking to the man that thinks it ok for the gov. to condone some drugs but condemn others. He wants to dictate my drug of choice. It was dos ex's for a while.

Was that the man you were referring to?
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In reply to Limited IQ Redneck in PU • 1:38p, 11/23/22
Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:
I was talking to the man that thinks it ok for the gov. to condone some drugs but condemn others. He wants to dictate my drug of choice. It was dos ex's for a while.

Was that the man you were referring to?
I wouldn't know. He's your strawman. He tends to say whatever you make him say. But I agree it is confusing when you keep making him say different stuff.
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4:51p, 11/23/22
So i thought you wanted pot to remain ilegal. I assume you are ok with alcohol. Sorry if i misunderstood your post.

I believe you should have the right to enjoy either or both.
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In reply to OsoCoreyell • 6:21p, 11/23/22
OsoCoreyell said:
In the past, I've been pretty libertarian about certain drugs - e.g. weed. My default position is that we should err on the side of freedom in this country. I certainly saw folks using weed in high school - I never did, but it didn't seem that much more dangerous than alcohol.

But I've been doing a good bit of pro bono legal work for high school kids and young adults charged with minor drug crimes like possession of small amounts of weed, etc. The stories from some of these kids is really making me reassess. The weed sold today is VERY potent, and I've seen some young adults who I've watched go from engaged, pretty normal people to something very different in a short amount of time - like 3 months. Its been eye opening and scary. That stuff is not like what I remember.


I've never smoked and still would not if it were legalized. But, I've never had a big issue with it potentially being legalized.

Would legalizing it potentially mean it would be better regulated and safer and possibly not as dangerous as some of the variants out there now? Like states that have ABV laws for alcohol content for beer being sold.

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6:25p, 11/23/22
Should be illegal
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6:44p, 11/23/22
I used to smoke all the time but these days I dont smoke near as much. I do like the gummies and eat them regularly. I actually prefer todays super dank buds compared to the crap from the the olden days. Nobody wants to pick out seeds and stems then get a headache.
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In reply to muddybrazos • 7:08p, 11/23/22
muddybrazos said:
I used to smoke all the time but these days I dont smoke near as much. I do like the gummies and eat them regularly. I actually prefer todays super dank buds compared to the crap from the the olden days. Nobody wants to pick out seeds and stems then get a headache.
ha! As a part time Colorado resident....I feel ya!
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In reply to Osodecentx • 7:15p, 11/23/22
Osodecentx said:
Should be illegal


What about alcocol?
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9:11p, 11/23/22
I'm inclined to believe we should treat alcohol, tobacco and weed all the same -- basically the way we treat tobacco. Legal, restricted to adults, taxed, but with the stigma that it's not a good idea so no advertising and generally negative societal response to all of them.

The caveat to that is that the comments about weed becoming more dangerous are disconcerting. Could it be regulated in a way to keep the potency relatively low? If the plants themselves are more potent, I'm not sure how that would work.

Of course, that idea would never get by the rather powerful alcohol lobby.
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9:20p, 11/23/22
There are two active ingredients in marijuana, THC and CBD. From what I have read, and newer variants of the drug have much higher levels of THC relative to CBD than those in years past. Instead of the anti nausea effect that was commonly seen before, you can get "scromitting." Just search "scromiting" for the rather unpleasant description. I am not sure if the changes in the drug was a known cause was known or speculative since it has been a long time since I read it. In any event, the potency of newer variants is much higher and the ratio of active ingredients in the drug has changed.
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In reply to Limited IQ Redneck in PU • 9:22p, 11/23/22
Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:
Osodecentx said:
Should be illegal


What about alcocol?


If alcohol or MJ or tobacco was invented today it would probably not be legalized.
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6:20a, 11/24/22
America did ban alcohol once. It didnt go well. The war on pot hasnt gone well either.many lives have been ruined not because thedrug was too string but because of the legal ramifications.

Everyone here should be free to make their own decisions. I dont like pot. Luckily thats my choice toake. I should try to make uour choice.
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4:38p, 7/17/24
It's great that you're doing pro bono work; it really gives you a deeper insight into how things affect young people today. I've also noticed how much more potent weed is compared to what we had back in the day. It's definitely a different world now!

I remember when I first tried some strains after legalization. It was a whole new experience, and I was surprised at how quickly it could affect me. That said, I think education and moderation are key. I've been checking out a bongs online shop for some quality pieces to enjoy responsibly. It's all about finding the right balance and being aware of what you're consuming.
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5:32p, 7/17/24
It would be interesting to see what legalizing weed up to a certain strength would be like. And it would only be available through prescriptions and so forth.

The problem is, that hasnt really worked in Cali of Colorado like they thought it would. Cali especially. Weed is still being grown by the ton in Northern Cali and also in the National Forests by Mexican cartels.

Apparently the prescription thing has not been going well. Not sure how else it would be regulated.

I wont be smoking it or taking gummies either way, so I dont really have a dog in this hunt.
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In reply to OsoCoreyell • 6:02p, 7/17/24
OsoCoreyell said:
In the past, I've been pretty libertarian about certain drugs - e.g. weed. My default position is that we should err on the side of freedom in this country. I certainly saw folks using weed in high school - I never did, but it didn't seem that much more dangerous than alcohol.

But I've been doing a good bit of pro bono legal work for high school kids and young adults charged with minor drug crimes like possession of small amounts of weed, etc. The stories from some of these kids is really making me reassess. The weed sold today is VERY potent, and I've seen some young adults who I've watched go from engaged, pretty normal people to something very different in a short amount of time - like 3 months. Its been eye opening and scary. That stuff is not like what I remember.
Weed is the great de-motivator. Not healthy for a healthy US society.

Against criminalizing it for consumption, class C is ok, but definitely think dealers should face felony charges.

Obviously medical use would be ok with prescription. Yes, there will be some abusers, but it will cut down on it and mostly keep it out of kids' hands.

Libertarians are just utopian conservatives. Utopia is great for fiction but doesn't work in our reality. Best path to libertarianism is through conservative policies and voting. Only with a responsible conservative society can libertarianism begin to take root in the minds of individuals.
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In reply to muddybrazos • 7:14p, 7/17/24
muddybrazos said:
I used to smoke all the time but these days I dont smoke near as much. I do like the gummies and eat them regularly. I actually prefer todays super dank buds compared to the crap from the the olden days. Nobody wants to pick out seeds and stems then get a headache.
Certainly, weed today is much stronger. It is up to each person to use it safely. It is no different than having a beer vs 3 fingers of Bourbon. Since it is stronger, folks gotta moderate. I definitely think it is better than hard drinking. You are not hung over, sleep well. Stoners don't get into bar fights and generally don't drive while baked.
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In reply to TinFoilHatPreacherBear • 7:17p, 7/17/24
TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:
OsoCoreyell said:
In the past, I've been pretty libertarian about certain drugs - e.g. weed. My default position is that we should err on the side of freedom in this country. I certainly saw folks using weed in high school - I never did, but it didn't seem that much more dangerous than alcohol.

But I've been doing a good bit of pro bono legal work for high school kids and young adults charged with minor drug crimes like possession of small amounts of weed, etc. The stories from some of these kids is really making me reassess. The weed sold today is VERY potent, and I've seen some young adults who I've watched go from engaged, pretty normal people to something very different in a short amount of time - like 3 months. Its been eye opening and scary. That stuff is not like what I remember.
Weed is the great de-motivator. Not healthy for a healthy US society.

Against criminalizing it for consumption, class C is ok, but definitely think dealers should face felony charges.

Obviously medical use would be ok with prescription. Yes, there will be some abusers, but it will cut down on it and mostly keep it out of kids' hands.

Libertarians are just utopian conservatives. Utopia is great for fiction but doesn't work in our reality. Best path to libertarianism is through conservative policies and voting. Only with a responsible conservative society can libertarianism begin to take root in the minds of individuals.
got news for you, weed is pervasive with the kids. My kids told me it was easier to get weed than booze.
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7:48p, 7/17/24
not exactly hot off the press news there JR.

Got news for you too JR, weed is pervasive in college as well. Astonishing I know.
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In reply to TinFoilHatPreacherBear • 7:59p, 7/17/24
TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:
not exactly hot off the press news there JR.

Got news for you too JR, weed is pervasive in college as well. Astonishing I know.
It is everywhere. Not breaking any news to me. Hell, I have a place in CO and dispensaries are thick.
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