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Don't underestimate the ability or willingness of the fascists to do silly or even stupid things. We have seen many examples over just the past two weeks not to mention 3 years or 50+ years.
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That's what the fascists do, for many years.
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Osodecentx said:




Not liberal
Leftist / Marxist / socialist / communist / fascist

Most people do not seem to understand what these labels actually mean, they are misused so often.

Classical liberalism, properly defined, means limited & representative government, individual liberty with moral responsibility, equality, free markets, the rule of law, etc. The Founding Fathers believed in these and established the nation on this basis. The modem Left wants none of this. In fact, they seek the complete opposite.
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Overall, Trump and his allies are outspending Harris' team 25-to-1 on television and radio advertising more than $68 million for Republicans compared to just $2.6 million for Democrats in the period that began on Monday, the day after Biden stepped aside, through the end of August, according to an AP analysis of data compiled by the media tracking firm AdImpact.
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Was looking up the numbers for state polling. Some interesting tidbits, at least to me.

In short, RCP, 270 to Win, and FiveThirtyEight have consensus on forty-four states, D.C. and two of the three congressional districts which get an Electoral Vote. There are fourteen states where Trump has more than 50% support, on average, while the Democrats have four states plus D.C., notably showing only Biden's numbers yet. The Democrats have another nine states where they have under 50% support but a consensus lead, for a total of thirteen states, D.C. and a congressional district. Trump has under 50% support but a consensus lead in another seventeen states, for a total of thirty-one states and one congressional district.

There are fourteen states which have Trump v Harris numbers so far. Trump has a consensus lead in nine of them, Harris has a consensus lead in two, and three others have split opinions (Pennsylvania, Virginia, and Wisconsin, all have Trump leading in two sites and Harris leading in one site)

One congressional district in Nebraska shows a tie, and the following six states disagree between the three sites about who is leading:

Minnesota (2-1 D)
New Hampshire (2-1 R)
New Jersey (2-1 R)
Pennsylvania (2-1 R)
Virginia (2-1 R)
Wisconsin (2-1 R).




That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
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historian said:

Osodecentx said:




Not liberal
Leftist / Marxist / socialist / communist / fascist

Most people do not seem to understand what these labels actually mean, they are misused so often.

Classical liberalism, properly defined, means limited & representative government, individual liberty with moral responsibility, equality, free markets, the rule of law, etc. The Founding Fathers believed in these and established the nation on this basis. The modem Left wants none of this. In fact, they seek the complete opposite.


Call McCormack and straighten him out
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the MSM is pathetic..

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FLBear5630 said:

chriscbear said:

Its about turnout but Kamala bump is a sugar high. Middle age people lean Kamala but are they registered voters.
Will we get enough time to knock off sugar high? Convention in August will be another sugar high. That will carry her into October...
convention will not carry her into September. A convention bounce takes 3 days of polling to fairly appraise. And then the campaigning starts.

and remember......Dem convention could be the same kind of s**tshow we saw yesterday during the Netanyahu speech - US flags burned while Hamas flags wave.......on the step of the US capitol. What message are the Dems going to send with their convention? That Kamala is a moderate? That Bidenomics is working and will continue for another 4 years?

lastly: Kamala might have already gotten her convention bounce.


The only way Kamala is an improvement over Joe is in that she affords them the opportunity to pivot hard to the middle. But will they do that? CAN they do that and hold their party together? I don't think they will. They've listened to so much propaganda for so long, I think they march proudly forward and bare their progressive chests. If they don't, demonstrations from Hamas and all the alphabet people will steal the show.
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whiterock said:

FLBear5630 said:

chriscbear said:

Its about turnout but Kamala bump is a sugar high. Middle age people lean Kamala but are they registered voters.
Will we get enough time to knock off sugar high? Convention in August will be another sugar high. That will carry her into October...
convention will not carry her into September. A convention bounce takes 3 days of polling to fairly appraise. And then the campaigning starts.

and remember......Dem convention could be the same kind of s**tshow we saw yesterday during the Netanyahu speech - US flags burned while Hamas flags wave.......on the step of the US capitol. What message are the Dems going to send with their convention? That Kamala is a moderate? That Bidenomics is working and will continue for another 4 years?

lastly: Kamala might have already gotten her convention bounce.


The only way Kamala is an improvement over Joe is in that she affords them the opportunity to pivot hard to the middle. But will they do that? CAN they do that and hold their party together? I don't think they will. They've listened to so much propaganda for so long, I think they march proudly forward and bare their progressive chests. If they don't, demonstrations from Hamas and all the alphabet people will steal the show.
Problem I see is that the narrative is going to be strong. It is all over. They are making it seem Biden kept her down and didn't let her save the Nation. I am not concerned with who already voted GOP, those Independents that HATE Trump in the Suburbs and College Educated Women. I am not sure they will listen to facts.

A good example, She is anti-Israel and Pro-Palestine. Yet when that was brought up this morning on FOX, the response was her Husband is Jewish. Well, that has nothing to do with her Policy stances, yet that shut it down... If that is happening on FOX, Trump has problems.

I am curious to see if they let her do interviews or go off script. That is where she falls apart, but right now they are making her seem the Adult in the room. Trump needs to stop attacking her and go after her record...
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FLBear5630 said:

whiterock said:

FLBear5630 said:

chriscbear said:

Its about turnout but Kamala bump is a sugar high. Middle age people lean Kamala but are they registered voters.
Will we get enough time to knock off sugar high? Convention in August will be another sugar high. That will carry her into October...
convention will not carry her into September. A convention bounce takes 3 days of polling to fairly appraise. And then the campaigning starts.

and remember......Dem convention could be the same kind of s**tshow we saw yesterday during the Netanyahu speech - US flags burned while Hamas flags wave.......on the step of the US capitol. What message are the Dems going to send with their convention? That Kamala is a moderate? That Bidenomics is working and will continue for another 4 years?

lastly: Kamala might have already gotten her convention bounce.


The only way Kamala is an improvement over Joe is in that she affords them the opportunity to pivot hard to the middle. But will they do that? CAN they do that and hold their party together? I don't think they will. They've listened to so much propaganda for so long, I think they march proudly forward and bare their progressive chests. If they don't, demonstrations from Hamas and all the alphabet people will steal the show.
Problem I see is that the narrative is going to be strong. It is all over. They are making it seem Biden kept her down and didn't let her save the Nation. I am not concerned with who already voted GOP, those Independents that HATE Trump in the Suburbs and College Educated Women. I am not sure they will listen to facts.

A good example, She is anti-Israel and Pro-Palestine. Yet when that was brought up this morning on FOX, the response was her Husband is Jewish. Well, that has nothing to do with her Policy stances, yet that shut it down... If that is happening on FOX, Trump has problems.

I am curious to see if they let her do interviews or go off script. That is where she falls apart, but right now they are making her seem the Adult in the room. Trump needs to stop attacking her and go after her record...
the fact that her husband is Jewish does indeed shut down the idea that her policy views are anti-semitic. It does not shut down criticism of her policy toward Israel. It actually picks at one of the larger fault lines in the Democrats party - Jews vs Muslims. Dems cannot easily chose to support Israel without risking loss of MI and inflaming their intersectional base, the young progressive voters; they cannot chose to support Hamas without inflaming their Jewish base of voters, which is also disproportionately an important part of their fundraising base.

that's the reason why Shapiro as VP is a two-edged sword. He may help in the Rust Belt states, but he is a problem in MI. And the way the math is shaping up, Dems need to win all of the Rust Belt states. And a further complication is that while Kelly and Cooper and Beshir may not have the potential downside that Shapiro could invite, neither do they have anywhere near the upside Shaprio offers. So maybe Dems choose to hug the cactus by picking Shapiro and trying to muddle the messaging on the Israel/Hamas question.

Beshir is perhaps underrated. He's young - 46. 59 and 46 is a nice contrast to Trump. Not sure that is an A or B tier concern, but it does matter some. They could try to message hard about new faces, new generation, new ideas, etc.....which sidesteps all the problems they face with the Biden Agenda.
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whiterock said:

FLBear5630 said:

whiterock said:

FLBear5630 said:

chriscbear said:

Its about turnout but Kamala bump is a sugar high. Middle age people lean Kamala but are they registered voters.
Will we get enough time to knock off sugar high? Convention in August will be another sugar high. That will carry her into October...
convention will not carry her into September. A convention bounce takes 3 days of polling to fairly appraise. And then the campaigning starts.

and remember......Dem convention could be the same kind of s**tshow we saw yesterday during the Netanyahu speech - US flags burned while Hamas flags wave.......on the step of the US capitol. What message are the Dems going to send with their convention? That Kamala is a moderate? That Bidenomics is working and will continue for another 4 years?

lastly: Kamala might have already gotten her convention bounce.


The only way Kamala is an improvement over Joe is in that she affords them the opportunity to pivot hard to the middle. But will they do that? CAN they do that and hold their party together? I don't think they will. They've listened to so much propaganda for so long, I think they march proudly forward and bare their progressive chests. If they don't, demonstrations from Hamas and all the alphabet people will steal the show.
Problem I see is that the narrative is going to be strong. It is all over. They are making it seem Biden kept her down and didn't let her save the Nation. I am not concerned with who already voted GOP, those Independents that HATE Trump in the Suburbs and College Educated Women. I am not sure they will listen to facts.

A good example, She is anti-Israel and Pro-Palestine. Yet when that was brought up this morning on FOX, the response was her Husband is Jewish. Well, that has nothing to do with her Policy stances, yet that shut it down... If that is happening on FOX, Trump has problems.

I am curious to see if they let her do interviews or go off script. That is where she falls apart, but right now they are making her seem the Adult in the room. Trump needs to stop attacking her and go after her record...
the fact that her husband is Jewish does indeed shut down the idea that her policy views are anti-semitic. It does not shut down criticism of her policy toward Israel. It actually picks at one of the larger fault lines in the Democrats party - Jews vs Muslims. Dems cannot easily chose to support Israel without risking loss of MI and inflaming their intersectional base, the young progressive voters; they cannot chose to support Hamas without inflaming their Jewish base of voters, which is also disproportionately an important part of their fundraising base.

that's the reason why Shapiro as VP is a two-edged sword. He may help in the Rust Belt states, but he is a problem in MI. And the way the math is shaping up, Dems need to win all of the Rust Belt states. And a further complication is that while Kelly and Cooper and Beshir may not have the potential downside that Shapiro could invite, neither do they have anywhere near the upside Shaprio offers. So maybe Dems choose to hug the cactus by picking Shapiro and trying to muddle the messaging on the Israel/Hamas question.

Beshir is perhaps underrated. He's young - 46. 59 and 46 is a nice contrast to Trump. Not sure that is an A or B tier concern, but it does matter some. They could try to message hard about new faces, new generation, new ideas, etc.....which sidesteps all the problems they face with the Biden Agenda.
The Husband does shut it down, even though her policy stances don't reflect that. Nor, do all Jews agree with Israel. It does not matter.

I think Shapiro is the best choice, but I can't see him on the ticket?

Kelly would be a natural, but the Dem's may lost his Senate seat in AZ. It is not a given they would go Dem...

I see Cooper as the pick. He and Harris have history and like each other. He will support her and brings a purple State. No downside with Cooper.
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FLBear5630 said:

whiterock said:

FLBear5630 said:

whiterock said:

FLBear5630 said:

chriscbear said:

Its about turnout but Kamala bump is a sugar high. Middle age people lean Kamala but are they registered voters.
Will we get enough time to knock off sugar high? Convention in August will be another sugar high. That will carry her into October...
convention will not carry her into September. A convention bounce takes 3 days of polling to fairly appraise. And then the campaigning starts.

and remember......Dem convention could be the same kind of s**tshow we saw yesterday during the Netanyahu speech - US flags burned while Hamas flags wave.......on the step of the US capitol. What message are the Dems going to send with their convention? That Kamala is a moderate? That Bidenomics is working and will continue for another 4 years?

lastly: Kamala might have already gotten her convention bounce.


The only way Kamala is an improvement over Joe is in that she affords them the opportunity to pivot hard to the middle. But will they do that? CAN they do that and hold their party together? I don't think they will. They've listened to so much propaganda for so long, I think they march proudly forward and bare their progressive chests. If they don't, demonstrations from Hamas and all the alphabet people will steal the show.
Problem I see is that the narrative is going to be strong. It is all over. They are making it seem Biden kept her down and didn't let her save the Nation. I am not concerned with who already voted GOP, those Independents that HATE Trump in the Suburbs and College Educated Women. I am not sure they will listen to facts.

A good example, She is anti-Israel and Pro-Palestine. Yet when that was brought up this morning on FOX, the response was her Husband is Jewish. Well, that has nothing to do with her Policy stances, yet that shut it down... If that is happening on FOX, Trump has problems.

I am curious to see if they let her do interviews or go off script. That is where she falls apart, but right now they are making her seem the Adult in the room. Trump needs to stop attacking her and go after her record...
the fact that her husband is Jewish does indeed shut down the idea that her policy views are anti-semitic. It does not shut down criticism of her policy toward Israel. It actually picks at one of the larger fault lines in the Democrats party - Jews vs Muslims. Dems cannot easily chose to support Israel without risking loss of MI and inflaming their intersectional base, the young progressive voters; they cannot chose to support Hamas without inflaming their Jewish base of voters, which is also disproportionately an important part of their fundraising base.

that's the reason why Shapiro as VP is a two-edged sword. He may help in the Rust Belt states, but he is a problem in MI. And the way the math is shaping up, Dems need to win all of the Rust Belt states. And a further complication is that while Kelly and Cooper and Beshir may not have the potential downside that Shapiro could invite, neither do they have anywhere near the upside Shaprio offers. So maybe Dems choose to hug the cactus by picking Shapiro and trying to muddle the messaging on the Israel/Hamas question.

Beshir is perhaps underrated. He's young - 46. 59 and 46 is a nice contrast to Trump. Not sure that is an A or B tier concern, but it does matter some. They could try to message hard about new faces, new generation, new ideas, etc.....which sidesteps all the problems they face with the Biden Agenda.
The Husband does shut it down, even though her policy stances don't reflect that. Nor, do all Jews agree with Israel. It does not matter.

I think Shapiro is the best choice, but I can't see him on the ticket?

Kelly would be a natural, but the Dem's may lost his Senate seat in AZ. It is not a given they would go Dem...

I see Cooper as the pick. He and Harris have history and like each other. He will support her and brings a purple State. No downside with Cooper.
yep, except I'm not sure Cooper can deliver NC.

Heck with Trump at a 5pt lead, it's not entire clear that Shapiro can deliver PA......
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Rasmussen has been top three last several cycles and generally polls a +2 Dem universe.

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The fascist convention is almost guaranteed to descend into chaos because there is so much narcissism & nihilism and so little attachment to reality. The Democrats Civil War has probably already begun. The only question is how violent will it get? It might be worse than 1968! Hopefully cooler heads, if they exist, will prevail.

By November the Dem convention might end up helping the GOP more than it does the Dems.
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We have a Marxist fake president now and we've had a few in the past: Obama & the Clinton's. Arguably others too.
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Hopefully they get the details worked out soon

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boognish_bear said:


Says the ******* who protected Paxton and worked with two donors and one absolutely nutcase religious wacko to rip up any GOP aversion to correcting corrupt politicians.
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boognish_bear said:


Why TF did the Puppetmaster release his proclamation at 4:01AM?
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whitetrash said:

boognish_bear said:


Why TF did the Puppetmaster release his proclamation at 4:01AM?


It was filmed days ago
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Osodecentx said:

whitetrash said:

boognish_bear said:


Why TF did the Puppetmaster release his proclamation at 4:01AM?


It was filmed days ago
When you don't jack push a lie. Sad
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We will see how long the honeymoon boost lasts

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boognish_bear said:

We will see how long the honeymoon boost lasts



The Media will be running puff pieces and boosting her campaign with positive coverage until November
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boognish_bear said:


Bob Newhart's telephone conversation routines were better. And more realistic.

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