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That is coming from a position that Trump is a better option... He is just as bad an option as Biden, for different reasons but just as bad. So, voting for Trump to avoid Biden just gets us a Totalitarian/Narcissist instead of a Dementia/Progressive wow what a victory.

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The good news is that we don't have to rely on FLBears philosophical musings about better or worse options.

We have four years of objective data for President Trump and almost four years of objective data for President Biden.

Was the country in better shape under President Trump or President Biden? The clear answer is that President Trump does a better job. Yeah, he screwed up Covid. but Biden was worse on that account by any measure.

So why do never Trumpers hate him? Because they hate anyone who threatens to end DC grift. That's why they prefer Haley to Desantis.

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The Never Trumper crowd is just another cult.

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LOL

There is no such thing as ' moral superiority ' in regards to power politics.

Only winners and losers. Dems position themselves to win; Republicans lack the guts.

Cute catch phrase though.

You are going to need it and others come November.

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so is this you saying you are a Dem or a weak Republican?

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Sounds like he's saying that he hates Trump more than he loves America

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LOL !

Easily the funniest thing I have read here all year.

You need to take your carnival show on the road and attempt to sell this narrative to the millions of people who are not going to vote for Trump a 3rd time.

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If the shoe fits.....

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So if folks don't vote for an old fat narcissist under both federal and state indictments they don't luv America ?

Election winning perspective.

Who could possibly doubt it ?

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If Trump wins the primary but loses in the general whose fault is it? The people that insisted on voting for Trump in the primary or the people that refused to vote for him in the general?

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You cannot conflate what happened after Covid with what happened before Covid. The first part of Trump's first term saw low inflation, good economic growth, and low unemployment. Trump wasn't perfect, but clearly the country was in better shape with him as president.

As far as whether the Democrats will let him, that is an entirely different issue. I do not believe that they will. That is why my preference is RDS - Trump - RFK.

There are three disruptor candidates. I am willing to vote for any of them.

I am not willing to vote for any ticket with Nimrata Haley on it.

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With the Judicial Insurrection that just took place in Colorado, the Democrats have just about shoved me back into Trump's corner.

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And this is a reasonable short term response.

Unfortunately once the spotlight is on Trump every single day on the campaign trail; his habit of saying incredibly stupid, politically suicidial comments will instantly remind Independent voters why they hate his guts.

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Ironically, the mainstream news media is Trump's largest financial supporter. They follow Trump around like a puppy that just pissed on the carpet. They hang on his every word, good or bad. No need for him to spend much of his war chest right now, -the mainstream news media has got him covered. Kinda funny if you think about it.

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FLBear5630 said:

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Polls don't matter unless they do or at least show what my argument needs them to show because it's all a conspiracy to….

🇺🇲 2024 GE: Yahoo/YouGov (B+)

Trump: 44% (=)
Biden: 44%
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Trump: 44% (+3)
Whitmer: 41%
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Trump: 45% (+4)
Newsom: 41%
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Biden: 39% (+3)
Haley: 36%
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D33/I27 (D+6) | 12/14-18 | 1,026 RVhttps://t.co/6RNWlJwyLV pic.twitter.com/XgQ51ofPqB

— InteractivePolls (@IAPolls2022) December 20, 2023

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Polls also influence. And the putting out of a continuous message that the polls show this is over impacts turnout and independent votes. Reporting polling results skews the electorate, which is what they want to happen. Low turn out because it doesn't matter, Trump has it locked up no matter what I do. And the psyop approach that humans want to be on the winning side. You know this if you worked at the CIA. This is how you influence elections!

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so who is directing all these different polling companies to spin out all the same numbers, same trends, same margins, etc.....?

Who?

If there is a conspiracy, there are a hierarchy of conspirators. Who are they?

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Let's look at the polling institutions. Mostly media and Academic institutions. Both sides WANT Trump to run.

So, the Conservative and Fox's of the world are pushing the Trump has this wrapped up and Haley is AOC in disguise.

The Liberals, including the Academics and the polling companies, that are liberal through and through, want Trump because he has SO MANY negative to go after in a General Election it is ridiculous.

So, there does not have to be a "hierarchy" led by a McChrystal behind it. Both sides want the same thing and the questions are geared to show that. I mean Nicki Haley is being touted as a liberal? Come on.

With your background, I am sure if this were in a different Nation and you were analyzing it would look a bit too good at this point. You wouldn't flag this to look into further? To do a deep dive into what is happening? No matter what Trump does or says the polls keep going up? He just said that the US blood is being tainted by immigrants and that he never read Mein Kempf, but apparently Hitler said the same thing. Response - Crickets...

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Geez, dude. Fox is "pushing" Trump? Hardly. Their aversion to him is well noted.

I am looking at this differently, because of my background. It is you who are blinkered, being led by the very establishments you cited. You assume blindly they are trying to help Trump, yet accept literally every falsely framed narrative they offer to destroy him. Vance does a good job blowing that nonsense out of the water.
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/4368234-vance-slams-poisoning-our-blood-comparisons-between-trump-comments-nazis/

Your mind wrongly presumes we are still in "normal politics" where both sides broadly agree on the purpose of government, and that debate is merely about how to get there. Those days are long past. We are now in "regime politics." Read link over and over until you see it.
https://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/americas-cold-civil-war/

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We will see where the votes go. If Trump wins big, I will be first to say I was wrong. If Haley wins, you gonna admit you were wrong? Or, will you go stolen election? Derp State and the other conspiracy theories?

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Haley has no path to the nomination which does not involve Trump sitting in jail and legally barred from being on the ballot, unless you think ALL the polling units are cooking their work by 20-40 points. She's not even ahead of RDS nationally.

Haley's polling in the general is what you should be more suspect about. Some show she has a slightly better outcome, typically at the margin of error. Most show she is no better, with a few show her trailing Trump v Biden. To understand why there is no real conflict in there requires some basic understanding of the relationship between polling outcomes and election outcomes. Pollsters have to make basic assumptions about what universe to poll based on their best assessment of who is most likely to vote. That is part of the reason why polls tend to get more accurate as election day approaches - pollsters have increasingly better data to assess who is actually going to vote, and for what reasons. For the campaigns, though, they have to decide which universe gives them a best outcome and then they have work hell bent for leather to get that universe to show up.

The proper critique of the polls at this time is obvious: election is 10 months away and it's not clear A) what will be the key issues, or B) what will be the composition of the universe that turns up to vote. We do have reasonable bases to conclude the current and future trends should be positive for Trump and negative for Democrats. To conclude otherwise is wishful thinking.

At link are some polling averages, today, in four key swing states, in up to 14 different polls. Trump is comfortably outside the margin of error. Literally there's only thing that could possibly invert those results = a Trump conviction in one or more of his trials. But even that presumption is suspect, given what we've seen over the past year. How, given that his legal difficulties have been a strong boost to his campaign, could a conviction blow it all up? Could it not be a wash, if not a positive? Prudent answer to that is somewhere between a "maybe" and "probably." Most likely outcome on the trials is....the federal trials matter a lot more but will not occur before the election, and the state trials, where convictions seem inevitable, will not have the desired effect, given that they are A) state level & ergo more critiquable as political corruption B) will be appealed (where the outcomes are likely more favorable to him) and in any event they will C) be fertile political material that has heretofore worked to his advantage.

Or you could look at it this way. By any conventional standard of "normal politics," Trump should not be here....he should not have won in 2016. He should have been run out of office. He should be totally incapable of being where it is right now, not just at the head of the GOP primary field but leading the incumbent in the general. Dude is the antithesis all the old conventional wisdoms of politics, so extraordinarily atypical of successful American politicians on either side of the aisle. He doesn't just not measure up, he shatters the measuring sticks. And it is at the end of that preface that neverTrumpers go off the rails. they never pause to consider WHY the guy is even in the conversation, and that the answers render their criteria moot. And they cannot let go of criteria that 2/3rds of the GOP electorate (and about half the the general electorate) have rejected.

That Trump is leading in all these battleground states, surging with key parts of the Dem coalition, actually winning independents in many of the polls should be all the proof you need about being in "regime politics." The social contract of the post-WWII era has finally died. A new one is rising. And STILL we have neverTrumpers trying to hold on to broken things, so blindly that they cannot see they are literally insisting that someone with a quarter of the support of the front-runner in the primary electorate would be a better choice than the front-runner himself.

📊 @DecisionDeskHQ Polling Average

ARIZONA
Trump —46% (+6.8)
Biden — 39.2%
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GEORGIA
Trump — 45.9% (+6.1)
Biden — 39.8%
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MICHIGAN
Trump — 46% (+6.9)
Biden — 39.1%
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NEVADA
Trump — 47.3% (+4.6)
Biden — 42.7%https://t.co/q1lqNOf18g pic.twitter.com/CVKhHHnd9H

— InteractivePolls (@IAPolls2022) December 22, 2023

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Ok, we will see. Once again, I don't care about the Polls. Showing the same data over and over, I get it. The polls, the way they are being asked show Trump as getting every vote. Let's see what happens. If Haley is hte nominee will you admit the data was wrong?

As I said, my gut looking at the pattern of the data, the adamance they are pushing Trump and the environment says something is wrong here... But, that is just me. We will see. Elections are great that way.

Whiskey Pete said:

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KaiBear said:

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Whiskey Pete said:

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KaiBear said:

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Whiskey Pete said:

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4th and Inches said:

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KaiBear said:

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LOL

There is no such thing as ' moral superiority ' in regards to power politics.

Only winners and losers. Dems position themselves to win; Republicans lack the guts.

Cute catch phrase though.

You are going to need it and others come November.

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so is this you saying you are a Dem or a weak Republican?

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Sounds like he's saying that he hates Trump more than he loves America

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LOL !

Easily the funniest thing I have read here all year.

You need to take your carnival show on the road and attempt to sell this narrative to the millions of people who are not going to vote for Trump a 3rd time.

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If the shoe fits.....

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So if folks don't vote for an old fat narcissist under both federal and state indictments they don't luv America ?

Election winning perspective.

Who could possibly doubt it ?

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If Trump wins the primary but loses in the general whose fault is it? The people that insisted on voting for Trump in the primary or the people that refused to vote for him in the general?

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quite literally both

4th and Inches said:

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Whiskey Pete said:

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KaiBear said:

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Whiskey Pete said:

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KaiBear said:

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Whiskey Pete said:

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4th and Inches said:

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KaiBear said:

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LOL

There is no such thing as ' moral superiority ' in regards to power politics.

Only winners and losers. Dems position themselves to win; Republicans lack the guts.

Cute catch phrase though.

You are going to need it and others come November.

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so is this you saying you are a Dem or a weak Republican?

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Sounds like he's saying that he hates Trump more than he loves America

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LOL !

Easily the funniest thing I have read here all year.

You need to take your carnival show on the road and attempt to sell this narrative to the millions of people who are not going to vote for Trump a 3rd time.

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If the shoe fits.....

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So if folks don't vote for an old fat narcissist under both federal and state indictments they don't luv America ?

Election winning perspective.

Who could possibly doubt it ?

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If Trump wins the primary but loses in the general whose fault is it? The people that insisted on voting for Trump in the primary or the people that refused to vote for him in the general?

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quite literally both

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The people that voted for a highly flawed Nominee in the Primary. Just giving the election away...

FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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Polls don't matter unless they do or at least show what my argument needs them to show because it's all a conspiracy to….

🇺🇲 2024 GE: Yahoo/YouGov (B+)

Trump: 44% (=)
Biden: 44%
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Trump: 44% (+3)
Whitmer: 41%
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Trump: 45% (+4)
Newsom: 41%
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Biden: 39% (+3)
Haley: 36%
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D33/I27 (D+6) | 12/14-18 | 1,026 RVhttps://t.co/6RNWlJwyLV pic.twitter.com/XgQ51ofPqB

— InteractivePolls (@IAPolls2022) December 20, 2023

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Polls also influence. And the putting out of a continuous message that the polls show this is over impacts turnout and independent votes. Reporting polling results skews the electorate, which is what they want to happen. Low turn out because it doesn't matter, Trump has it locked up no matter what I do. And the psyop approach that humans want to be on the winning side. You know this if you worked at the CIA. This is how you influence elections!

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so who is directing all these different polling companies to spin out all the same numbers, same trends, same margins, etc.....?

Who?

If there is a conspiracy, there are a hierarchy of conspirators. Who are they?

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Let's look at the polling institutions. Mostly media and Academic institutions. Both sides WANT Trump to run.

So, the Conservative and Fox's of the world are pushing the Trump has this wrapped up and Haley is AOC in disguise.

The Liberals, including the Academics and the polling companies, that are liberal through and through, want Trump because he has SO MANY negative to go after in a General Election it is ridiculous.

So, there does not have to be a "hierarchy" led by a McChrystal behind it. Both sides want the same thing and the questions are geared to show that. I mean Nicki Haley is being touted as a liberal? Come on.

With your background, I am sure if this were in a different Nation and you were analyzing it would look a bit too good at this point. You wouldn't flag this to look into further? To do a deep dive into what is happening? No matter what Trump does or says the polls keep going up? He just said that the US blood is being tainted by immigrants and that he never read Mein Kempf, but apparently Hitler said the same thing. Response - Crickets...

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Geez, dude. Fox is "pushing" Trump? Hardly. Their aversion to him is well noted.

I am looking at this differently, because of my background. It is you who are blinkered, being led by the very establishments you cited. You assume blindly they are trying to help Trump, yet accept literally every falsely framed narrative they offer to destroy him. Vance does a good job blowing that nonsense out of the water.
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/4368234-vance-slams-poisoning-our-blood-comparisons-between-trump-comments-nazis/

Your mind wrongly presumes we are still in "normal politics" where both sides broadly agree on the purpose of government, and that debate is merely about how to get there. Those days are long past. We are now in "regime politics." Read link over and over until you see it.
https://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/americas-cold-civil-war/

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We will see where the votes go. If Trump wins big, I will be first to say I was wrong. If Haley wins, you gonna admit you were wrong? Or, will you go stolen election? Derp State and the other conspiracy theories?

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Haley has no path to the nomination which does not involve Trump sitting in jail and legally barred from being on the ballot, unless you think ALL the polling units are cooking their work by 20-40 points. She's not even ahead of RDS nationally.

Haley's polling in the general is what you should be more suspect about. Some show she has a slightly better outcome, typically at the margin of error. Most show she is no better, with a few show her trailing Trump v Biden. To understand why there is no real conflict in there requires some basic understanding of the relationship between polling outcomes and election outcomes. Pollsters have to make basic assumptions about what universe to poll based on their best assessment of who is most likely to vote. That is part of the reason why polls tend to get more accurate as election day approaches - pollsters have increasingly better data to assess who is actually going to vote, and for what reasons. For the campaigns, though, they have to decide which universe gives them a best outcome and then they have work hell bent for leather to get that universe to show up.

The proper critique of the polls at this time is obvious: election is 10 months away and it's not clear A) what will be the key issues, or B) what will be the composition of the universe that turns up to vote. We do have reasonable bases to conclude the current and future trends should be positive for Trump and negative for Democrats. To conclude otherwise is wishful thinking.

At link are some polling averages, today, in four key swing states, in up to 14 different polls. Trump is comfortably outside the margin of error. Literally there's only thing that could possibly invert those results = a Trump conviction in one or more of his trials. But even that presumption is suspect, given what we've seen over the past year. How, given that his legal difficulties have been a strong boost to his campaign, could a conviction blow it all up? Could it not be a wash, if not a positive? Prudent answer to that is somewhere between a "maybe" and "probably." Most likely outcome on the trials is....the federal trials matter a lot more but will not occur before the election, and the state trials, where convictions seem inevitable, will not have the desired effect, given that they are A) state level & ergo more critiquable as political corruption B) will be appealed (where the outcomes are likely more favorable to him) and in any event they will C) be fertile political material that has heretofore worked to his advantage.

Or you could look at it this way. By any conventional standard of "normal politics," Trump should not be here....he should not have won in 2016. He should have been run out of office. He should be totally incapable of being where it is right now, not just at the head of the GOP primary field but leading the incumbent in the general. Dude is the antithesis all the old conventional wisdoms of politics, so extraordinarily atypical of successful American politicians on either side of the aisle. He doesn't just not measure up, he shatters the measuring sticks. And it is at the end of that preface that neverTrumpers go off the rails. they never pause to consider WHY the guy is even in the conversation, and that the answers render their criteria moot. And they cannot let go of criteria that 2/3rds of the GOP electorate (and about half the the general electorate) have rejected.

That Trump is leading in all these battleground states, surging with key parts of the Dem coalition, actually winning independents in many of the polls should be all the proof you need about being in "regime politics." The social contract of the post-WWII era has finally died. A new one is rising. And STILL we have neverTrumpers trying to hold on to broken things, so blindly that they cannot see they are literally insisting that someone with a quarter of the support of the front-runner in the primary electorate would be a better choice than the front-runner himself.

📊 @DecisionDeskHQ Polling Average

ARIZONA
Trump —46% (+6.8)
Biden — 39.2%
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GEORGIA
Trump — 45.9% (+6.1)
Biden — 39.8%
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MICHIGAN
Trump — 46% (+6.9)
Biden — 39.1%
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NEVADA
Trump — 47.3% (+4.6)
Biden — 42.7%https://t.co/q1lqNOf18g pic.twitter.com/CVKhHHnd9H

— InteractivePolls (@IAPolls2022) December 22, 2023

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Ok, we will see. Once again, I don't care about the Polls. Showing the same data over and over, I get it. The polls, the way they are being asked show Trump as getting every vote. Let's see what happens. If Haley is hte nominee will you admit the data was wrong?

As I said, my gut looking at the pattern of the data, the adamance they are pushing Trump and the environment says something is wrong here... But, that is just me. We will see. Elections are great that way.

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go back and look at 2020 polls, there was a significant difference between the big money polls and the independents. Right now, they are the same.. you are telling us that all the pollsters are pushing the same narrative for the first time in polling history? Wanna buy some ocean front property in Kansas?(port of Topeka reference)

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Whiskey Pete said:

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Whiskey Pete said:

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Whiskey Pete said:

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KaiBear said:

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LOL

There is no such thing as ' moral superiority ' in regards to power politics.

Only winners and losers. Dems position themselves to win; Republicans lack the guts.

Cute catch phrase though.

You are going to need it and others come November.

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so is this you saying you are a Dem or a weak Republican?

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Sounds like he's saying that he hates Trump more than he loves America

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LOL !

Easily the funniest thing I have read here all year.

You need to take your carnival show on the road and attempt to sell this narrative to the millions of people who are not going to vote for Trump a 3rd time.

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If the shoe fits.....

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So if folks don't vote for an old fat narcissist under both federal and state indictments they don't luv America ?

Election winning perspective.

Who could possibly doubt it ?

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If Trump wins the primary but loses in the general whose fault is it? The people that insisted on voting for Trump in the primary or the people that refused to vote for him in the general?

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quite literally both

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The people that voted for a highly flawed Nominee in the Primary. Just giving the election away...

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and the never Trump cult that will refuse to vote for the orange boogey man, allowing any progressive democrat to squat in the White House

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4th and Inches said:

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Whiskey Pete said:

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KaiBear said:

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Whiskey Pete said:

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KaiBear said:

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Whiskey Pete said:

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KaiBear said:

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LOL

There is no such thing as ' moral superiority ' in regards to power politics.

Only winners and losers. Dems position themselves to win; Republicans lack the guts.

Cute catch phrase though.

You are going to need it and others come November.

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so is this you saying you are a Dem or a weak Republican?

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Sounds like he's saying that he hates Trump more than he loves America

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LOL !

Easily the funniest thing I have read here all year.

You need to take your carnival show on the road and attempt to sell this narrative to the millions of people who are not going to vote for Trump a 3rd time.

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If the shoe fits.....

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So if folks don't vote for an old fat narcissist under both federal and state indictments they don't luv America ?

Election winning perspective.

Who could possibly doubt it ?

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If Trump wins the primary but loses in the general whose fault is it? The people that insisted on voting for Trump in the primary or the people that refused to vote for him in the general?

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quite literally both

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The people that voted for a highly flawed Nominee in the Primary. Just giving the election away...

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you sound like a spoiled child who's mad about not getting their way, take your ball and go home then..

Who needs conservative justices on SCOTUS anyway.

It's also not lost on us that you're arguing with a group of people that have clearly stated they are not voting for Trump in the primary

So nice that at least one of my celebrity childhood heroes turned out not to be a disappointment https://t.co/lWnZuOGgsN

— Dr. Ben Braddock (@GraduatedBen) December 22, 2023

Who is the "they" he is referring to?

If you really think “they” are going to let either Trump or Biden get anywhere near the finish line, open your eyes folks. There’s something deeper going on. It’s staring us right in the face.

— Vivek Ramaswamy (@VivekGRamaswamy) December 22, 2023

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KaiBear said:

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Whiskey Pete said:

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KaiBear said:

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Whiskey Pete said:

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KaiBear said:

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LOL

There is no such thing as ' moral superiority ' in regards to power politics.

Only winners and losers. Dems position themselves to win; Republicans lack the guts.

Cute catch phrase though.

You are going to need it and others come November.

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so is this you saying you are a Dem or a weak Republican?

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Sounds like he's saying that he hates Trump more than he loves America

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LOL !

Easily the funniest thing I have read here all year.

You need to take your carnival show on the road and attempt to sell this narrative to the millions of people who are not going to vote for Trump a 3rd time.

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If the shoe fits.....

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So if folks don't vote for an old fat narcissist under both federal and state indictments they don't luv America ?

Election winning perspective.

Who could possibly doubt it ?

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If Trump wins the primary but loses in the general whose fault is it? The people that insisted on voting for Trump in the primary or the people that refused to vote for him in the general?

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Have you ever read a history book ?

There are countless examples where party nominees lost the general election because they could not establish the support of enough voters outside their fanatical base.

Good grief voters are not obligated to vote for your hero nor take responsibility for his loss.

Possessing such a narrow expectation only serves the Democrats.

Stunning new poll (American Research Group)- Nikki Haley now just 4 points behind Trump in New Hampshire.
• Trump: 33%
• Haley: 29%
• Christie: 13%
• DeSantis: 6%
• Ramaswamy: 5% pic.twitter.com/6tuZe0qRwi

— Mike Sington (@MikeSington) December 21, 2023

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Stunning new poll (American Research Group)- Nikki Haley now just 4 points behind Trump in New Hampshire.
• Trump: 33%
• Haley: 29%
• Christie: 13%
• DeSantis: 6%
• Ramaswamy: 5% pic.twitter.com/6tuZe0qRwi

— Mike Sington (@MikeSington) December 21, 2023

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Would enjoy watching a debate between Trump and Haley prior to the New Hampshire primary.

Wonder why Trump is unwilling to do so ?

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Who is the "they" he is referring to?

If you really think “they” are going to let either Trump or Biden get anywhere near the finish line, open your eyes folks. There’s something deeper going on. It’s staring us right in the face.

— Vivek Ramaswamy (@VivekGRamaswamy) December 22, 2023

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at the very least, the RNC and DNC. The Dems flushed Bernie. The GOP is leading the charge in CO

That should get overturned in SCOTUS.. who previously ruled in 2010 that POTUS wasnt an officer of the United States since those are appointed, not elected by the people. Nothing else in the 14th could possibly point to Trump as he never held any other office.

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Whiskey Pete said:

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Whiskey Pete said:

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KaiBear said:

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LOL

There is no such thing as ' moral superiority ' in regards to power politics.

Only winners and losers. Dems position themselves to win; Republicans lack the guts.

Cute catch phrase though.

You are going to need it and others come November.

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so is this you saying you are a Dem or a weak Republican?

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Sounds like he's saying that he hates Trump more than he loves America

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LOL !

Easily the funniest thing I have read here all year.

You need to take your carnival show on the road and attempt to sell this narrative to the millions of people who are not going to vote for Trump a 3rd time.

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If the shoe fits.....

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So if folks don't vote for an old fat narcissist under both federal and state indictments they don't luv America ?

Election winning perspective.

Who could possibly doubt it ?

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If Trump wins the primary but loses in the general whose fault is it? The people that insisted on voting for Trump in the primary or the people that refused to vote for him in the general?

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Have you ever read a history book ?

There are countless examples where party nominees lost the general election because they could not establish the support of enough voters outside their fanatical base.

Good grief voters are not obligated to vote for your hero nor take responsibility for his loss.

Possessing such a narrow expectation only serves the Democrats.

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Anything to avoid taking personal responsibility, hey kaibear?

I didn't say you must vote for Trump in the general. What I did, was to point out that by not voting for Trump in the general (should he win the primary), you played a role in a progressive democrat walking right back into the White House and you can't stand it. You're simply unable to reconcile that you'd be exactly like the Trumpers that you think so lowly of.

Which part of, I'm not even voting for Trump in the primary, have you missed? Must be real nice to be a morally superior internet genius that's the smartest guy in the room always, eh? You're your own hero.

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LOL

There is no such thing as ' moral superiority ' in regards to power politics.

Only winners and losers. Dems position themselves to win; Republicans lack the guts.

Cute catch phrase though.

You are going to need it and others come November.

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so is this you saying you are a Dem or a weak Republican?

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Sounds like he's saying that he hates Trump more than he loves America

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LOL !

Easily the funniest thing I have read here all year.

You need to take your carnival show on the road and attempt to sell this narrative to the millions of people who are not going to vote for Trump a 3rd time.

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If the shoe fits.....

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So if folks don't vote for an old fat narcissist under both federal and state indictments they don't luv America ?

Election winning perspective.

Who could possibly doubt it ?

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If Trump wins the primary but loses in the general whose fault is it? The people that insisted on voting for Trump in the primary or the people that refused to vote for him in the general?

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Have you ever read a history book ?

There are countless examples where party nominees lost the general election because they could not establish the support of enough voters outside their fanatical base.

Good grief voters are not obligated to vote for your hero nor take responsibility for his loss.

Possessing such a narrow expectation only serves the Democrats.

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Anything to avoid taking personal responsibility, hey kaibear?

I didn't say you must vote for Trump in the general. What I did, was to point out that by not voting for Trump in the general (should he win the primary), you played a role in a progressive democrat walking right back into the White House and you can't stand it. You're simply unable to reconcile that you'd be exactly like the Trumpers that you think so lowly of.

Which part of, I'm not even voting for Trump in the primary, have you missed? Must be real nice to be a morally superior internet genius that's the smartest guy in the room always, eh? You're your own hero.

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Simply ridiculous.

There is no personal responsibility to elect your hero.

Or anyone's else's hero.



Never has been.
Never will be.

KaiBear said:

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Whiskey Pete said:

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KaiBear said:

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LOL

There is no such thing as ' moral superiority ' in regards to power politics.

Only winners and losers. Dems position themselves to win; Republicans lack the guts.

Cute catch phrase though.

You are going to need it and others come November.

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so is this you saying you are a Dem or a weak Republican?

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Sounds like he's saying that he hates Trump more than he loves America

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LOL !

Easily the funniest thing I have read here all year.

You need to take your carnival show on the road and attempt to sell this narrative to the millions of people who are not going to vote for Trump a 3rd time.

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If the shoe fits.....

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So if folks don't vote for an old fat narcissist under both federal and state indictments they don't luv America ?

Election winning perspective.

Who could possibly doubt it ?

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If Trump wins the primary but loses in the general whose fault is it? The people that insisted on voting for Trump in the primary or the people that refused to vote for him in the general?

---

Have you ever read a history book ?

There are countless examples where party nominees lost the general election because they could not establish the support of enough voters outside their fanatical base.

Good grief voters are not obligated to vote for your hero nor take responsibility for his loss.

Possessing such a narrow expectation only serves the Democrats.

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Anything to avoid taking personal responsibility, hey kaibear?

I didn't say you must vote for Trump in the general. What I did, was to point out that by not voting for Trump in the general (should he win the primary), you played a role in a progressive democrat walking right back into the White House and you can't stand it. You're simply unable to reconcile that you'd be exactly like the Trumpers that you think so lowly of.

Which part of, I'm not even voting for Trump in the primary, have you missed? Must be real nice to be a morally superior internet genius that's the smartest guy in the room always, eh? You're your own hero.

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Simply ridiculous.

There is no personal responsibility to elect your hero.

Or anyone's else's hero.



Never has been.
Never will be.

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theres no right to complain about the party in control when you helped elect them..

Or something like that

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KaiBear said:

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Whiskey Pete said:

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KaiBear said:

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Whiskey Pete said:

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KaiBear said:

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Whiskey Pete said:

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4th and Inches said:

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KaiBear said:

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LOL

There is no such thing as ' moral superiority ' in regards to power politics.

Only winners and losers. Dems position themselves to win; Republicans lack the guts.

Cute catch phrase though.

You are going to need it and others come November.

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so is this you saying you are a Dem or a weak Republican?

---

Sounds like he's saying that he hates Trump more than he loves America

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LOL !

Easily the funniest thing I have read here all year.

You need to take your carnival show on the road and attempt to sell this narrative to the millions of people who are not going to vote for Trump a 3rd time.

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If the shoe fits.....

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So if folks don't vote for an old fat narcissist under both federal and state indictments they don't luv America ?

Election winning perspective.

Who could possibly doubt it ?

---

If Trump wins the primary but loses in the general whose fault is it? The people that insisted on voting for Trump in the primary or the people that refused to vote for him in the general?

---

Have you ever read a history book ?

There are countless examples where party nominees lost the general election because they could not establish the support of enough voters outside their fanatical base.

Good grief voters are not obligated to vote for your hero nor take responsibility for his loss.

Possessing such a narrow expectation only serves the Democrats.

---

Anything to avoid taking personal responsibility, hey kaibear?

I didn't say you must vote for Trump in the general. What I did, was to point out that by not voting for Trump in the general (should he win the primary), you played a role in a progressive democrat walking right back into the White House and you can't stand it. You're simply unable to reconcile that you'd be exactly like the Trumpers that you think so lowly of.

Which part of, I'm not even voting for Trump in the primary, have you missed? Must be real nice to be a morally superior internet genius that's the smartest guy in the room always, eh? You're your own hero.

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Simply ridiculous.

There is no personal responsibility to elect your hero.

Or anyone's else's hero.



Never has been.
Never will be.

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theres no right to complain about the party in control when you helped elect them..

Or something like that

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Informative post.

Would read again.

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Whiskey Pete said:

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KaiBear said:

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Whiskey Pete said:

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KaiBear said:

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Whiskey Pete said:

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4th and Inches said:

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KaiBear said:

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LOL

There is no such thing as ' moral superiority ' in regards to power politics.

Only winners and losers. Dems position themselves to win; Republicans lack the guts.

Cute catch phrase though.

You are going to need it and others come November.

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so is this you saying you are a Dem or a weak Republican?

---

Sounds like he's saying that he hates Trump more than he loves America

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LOL !

Easily the funniest thing I have read here all year.

You need to take your carnival show on the road and attempt to sell this narrative to the millions of people who are not going to vote for Trump a 3rd time.

---

If the shoe fits.....

---

So if folks don't vote for an old fat narcissist under both federal and state indictments they don't luv America ?

Election winning perspective.

Who could possibly doubt it ?

---

If Trump wins the primary but loses in the general whose fault is it? The people that insisted on voting for Trump in the primary or the people that refused to vote for him in the general?

---

Have you ever read a history book ?

There are countless examples where party nominees lost the general election because they could not establish the support of enough voters outside their fanatical base.

Good grief voters are not obligated to vote for your hero nor take responsibility for his loss.

Possessing such a narrow expectation only serves the Democrats.

---

Anything to avoid taking personal responsibility, hey kaibear?

I didn't say you must vote for Trump in the general. What I did, was to point out that by not voting for Trump in the general (should he win the primary), you played a role in a progressive democrat walking right back into the White House and you can't stand it. You're simply unable to reconcile that you'd be exactly like the Trumpers that you think so lowly of.

Which part of, I'm not even voting for Trump in the primary, have you missed? Must be real nice to be a morally superior internet genius that's the smartest guy in the room always, eh? You're your own hero.

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Simply ridiculous.

There is no personal responsibility to elect your hero.

Or anyone's else's hero.



Never has been.
Never will be.

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So, since I'm not voting for Trump in the primary because I'd rather see someone else become the nominee makes Trump my hero? You're either dishonest, extremely naive or exceptionally stupid.

So, you think you bear zero partial fault if a progressive liberal dem walks back into the White House when you could've voted for Trump in the general but refused to?

Hey, I'll admit if Trump is on the ballot in November and I vote him and he then becomes a dictator by abolishing the constitution, imprisoning everyone that disagrees with him, revives the third reich and starts killing Jewish people, then yeah, I would bear some fault. See how that works?

Okay, now you're turn.

Whiskey Pete said:

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Whiskey Pete said:

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KaiBear said:

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Whiskey Pete said:

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KaiBear said:

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Whiskey Pete said:

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KaiBear said:

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Whiskey Pete said:

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4th and Inches said:

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KaiBear said:

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LOL

There is no such thing as ' moral superiority ' in regards to power politics.

Only winners and losers. Dems position themselves to win; Republicans lack the guts.

Cute catch phrase though.

You are going to need it and others come November.

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so is this you saying you are a Dem or a weak Republican?

---

Sounds like he's saying that he hates Trump more than he loves America

---

LOL !

Easily the funniest thing I have read here all year.

You need to take your carnival show on the road and attempt to sell this narrative to the millions of people who are not going to vote for Trump a 3rd time.

---

If the shoe fits.....

---

So if folks don't vote for an old fat narcissist under both federal and state indictments they don't luv America ?

Election winning perspective.

Who could possibly doubt it ?

---

If Trump wins the primary but loses in the general whose fault is it? The people that insisted on voting for Trump in the primary or the people that refused to vote for him in the general?

---

Have you ever read a history book ?

There are countless examples where party nominees lost the general election because they could not establish the support of enough voters outside their fanatical base.

Good grief voters are not obligated to vote for your hero nor take responsibility for his loss.

Possessing such a narrow expectation only serves the Democrats.

---

Anything to avoid taking personal responsibility, hey kaibear?

I didn't say you must vote for Trump in the general. What I did, was to point out that by not voting for Trump in the general (should he win the primary), you played a role in a progressive democrat walking right back into the White House and you can't stand it. You're simply unable to reconcile that you'd be exactly like the Trumpers that you think so lowly of.

Which part of, I'm not even voting for Trump in the primary, have you missed? Must be real nice to be a morally superior internet genius that's the smartest guy in the room always, eh? You're your own hero.

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Simply ridiculous.

There is no personal responsibility to elect your hero.

Or anyone's else's hero.



Never has been.
Never will be.

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So, since I'm not voting in Trump in the primary because I'd rather see someone else become the nominee makes Trump my hero? You're either dishonest, extremely naive or exceptionally stupid.

So, you think you bear zero partial fault if a progressive liberal dem walks back into the White House when you could've voted for Trump in the general but refused to?

Hey, I'll admit if Trump is on the ballot in November and I vote him and he then becomes a dictator by abolishing the constitution, imprisoning everyone that disagrees with him, revives the third reich and starts to killing of Jewish people, then yeah, I would bear some fault. See how that works?

Okay, now you're turn.

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The time allocated in this forlorn attempt to educate you is up.

As your repetitive comments indicate you are under educated, possibly under employed and certainly under Trump.

No doubt whiskey is partially responsible.



Welcome to ' Ignore '.

This guy is doing for free what Ronna won’t do for the millions and millions she has squandered! https://t.co/Cz6mKpHHeE

— Eric Matheny 🎙️ (@ericmmatheny) December 22, 2023

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Whiskey Pete said:

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Whiskey Pete said:

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KaiBear said:

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LOL

There is no such thing as ' moral superiority ' in regards to power politics.

Only winners and losers. Dems position themselves to win; Republicans lack the guts.

Cute catch phrase though.

You are going to need it and others come November.

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so is this you saying you are a Dem or a weak Republican?

---

Sounds like he's saying that he hates Trump more than he loves America

---

LOL !

Easily the funniest thing I have read here all year.

You need to take your carnival show on the road and attempt to sell this narrative to the millions of people who are not going to vote for Trump a 3rd time.

---

If the shoe fits.....

---

So if folks don't vote for an old fat narcissist under both federal and state indictments they don't luv America ?

Election winning perspective.

Who could possibly doubt it ?

---

If Trump wins the primary but loses in the general whose fault is it? The people that insisted on voting for Trump in the primary or the people that refused to vote for him in the general?

---

Have you ever read a history book ?

There are countless examples where party nominees lost the general election because they could not establish the support of enough voters outside their fanatical base.

Good grief voters are not obligated to vote for your hero nor take responsibility for his loss.

Possessing such a narrow expectation only serves the Democrats.

---

Anything to avoid taking personal responsibility, hey kaibear?

I didn't say you must vote for Trump in the general. What I did, was to point out that by not voting for Trump in the general (should he win the primary), you played a role in a progressive democrat walking right back into the White House and you can't stand it. You're simply unable to reconcile that you'd be exactly like the Trumpers that you think so lowly of.

Which part of, I'm not even voting for Trump in the primary, have you missed? Must be real nice to be a morally superior internet genius that's the smartest guy in the room always, eh? You're your own hero.

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Simply ridiculous.

There is no personal responsibility to elect your hero.

Or anyone's else's hero.



Never has been.
Never will be.

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So, since I'm not voting in Trump in the primary because I'd rather see someone else become the nominee makes Trump my hero? You're either dishonest, extremely naive or exceptionally stupid.

So, you think you bear zero partial fault if a progressive liberal dem walks back into the White House when you could've voted for Trump in the general but refused to?

Hey, I'll admit if Trump is on the ballot in November and I vote him and he then becomes a dictator by abolishing the constitution, imprisoning everyone that disagrees with him, revives the third reich and starts to killing of Jewish people, then yeah, I would bear some fault. See how that works?

Okay, now you're turn.

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The time allocated in this forlorn attempt to educate you is up.

As your repetitive comments indicate you are under educated, possibly under employed and certainly under Trump.

No doubt whiskey is partially responsible.



Welcome to ' Ignore '.

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LOL... okay, internet genius.

Hope you like Biden's next supreme court picks.

Ron DeSantis' super PAC just canceled its remaining ad reservations in Iowa and New Hampshire — cancellations totaling more than $2.5 million. https://t.co/QI2DFZXJU2

— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) December 22, 2023

Ron DeSantis' super PAC just canceled its remaining ad reservations in Iowa and New Hampshire — cancellations totaling more than $2.5 million. https://t.co/QI2DFZXJU2

— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) December 22, 2023

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Ron DeSantis' super PAC just canceled its remaining ad reservations in Iowa and New Hampshire — cancellations totaling more than $2.5 million. https://t.co/QI2DFZXJU2

— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) December 22, 2023

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campaign winding down.. RDS about out of it unless results come back different than polling

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Ron DeSantis' super PAC just canceled its remaining ad reservations in Iowa and New Hampshire — cancellations totaling more than $2.5 million. https://t.co/QI2DFZXJU2

— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) December 22, 2023

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Poor Ron got terrible advice from his backers. All he had to do is support Trump this time around and he would be the heir apparent and Maga hero in 28 but now he's a has been.

so they’re packing the swing states

philly is PA’s ballot harvesting center https://t.co/29SHNSHxxe

— Mike Benz (@MikeBenzCyber) December 22, 2023

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so they’re packing the swing states

philly is PA’s ballot harvesting center https://t.co/29SHNSHxxe

— Mike Benz (@MikeBenzCyber) December 22, 2023

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I've never encountered a Haley supporter, online or otherwise.

Are they all in New Hampshire? https://t.co/x4k4psnRUQ

— Scott Adams (@ScottAdamsSays) December 23, 2023

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This is all orchestrated

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refuse to vote for him ok, vote for Joe Biden against him is a crime yet many will do it while claiming to be conservatives saving our DeMoCrAcY!

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Cracks me up when I see Never Trumpers trash the Only Trumpers without realizing that they are both the exact same.

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Were the Never Hitlers and the Only Hitlers the exact same?

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I don't know, ask Biden. He was there.

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The contemporary fascists' continual obsession with Hitler is weird. The modern day, anti-Jewish regressives may worship Hitler more than Barry.

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Hitler is such a great example of how easily mild nationalistic tendencies of a nation can turn way worse. And such an extreme example of an evil politician that it is useful as a benchmark.

In this case, Whiskey Pete says "I don't know" whether Hitlers lovers were any different than Hitler haters, and isn't that a great example of mild nationalism taking the stage in America. The conservative zealots just "don't know" if Hitler was all that bad.

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Quite the mental gymnastics there cupcake

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What part of it, the quoting you or the logic and reason? Look I'm all for the compliments!

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Probably the part where you said that conservatives don't know if Hitler was all that bad.

Like I said, quite the mental gymnastics there. I'll give you 8 for style, but a 1 for execution.

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Oh? Have you decided if Hitler lovers and Hitler haters are all the same, or is the jury of you yourself and you still out for lunch? My only mental leap is assuming there are many others like you, and it's not so much of a leap.

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Night has fallen, don't you need to be outside with your fellow liberals protesting against Jewish people somewhere?

Today's liberal/democrat is the new and improved Nazi. Fascism 2.0 for the 21st century.

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Yeah let's focus on the libs, no need to address the Hitler lover/hater thing we just said...

People are so morally lost it is just silly. When your moral compass is reduced to "am I winning or losing" you can't possibly even know which direction is up or down. And it's not just you conservative zealots, it is the libs too, and in some ways they might even be more extreme, so I feel for you.

Seen on @FoxNews this morning:

“This has had to feel somewhat of a gut-punch for the former President of the United States.”

Trump: 33%
Haley: 29% pic.twitter.com/EF1gzgAA4Z

— Team Nikki Haley (@NikkiHaleyHQ) December 22, 2023

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I've never encountered a Haley supporter, online or otherwise.

Are they all in New Hampshire? https://t.co/x4k4psnRUQ

— Scott Adams (@ScottAdamsSays) December 23, 2023

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I got at least one maybe two in my family, they voted for Biden in 2020. Solid never Trumper's.

A protestor came to my event in Iowa last night. I gave her the mic. And then something surprising happened. pic.twitter.com/rKM1FPYPjS

— Vivek Ramaswamy (@VivekGRamaswamy) December 23, 2023

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I've never encountered a Haley supporter, online or otherwise.

Are they all in New Hampshire? https://t.co/x4k4psnRUQ

— Scott Adams (@ScottAdamsSays) December 23, 2023

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I got at least one maybe two in my family, they voted for Biden in 2020. Solid never Trumper's.

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I think all 17 of them can be found shuffling between this Starbucks and this Taco Bell https://t.co/HoRjtZEM3y pic.twitter.com/LqcNiHsXUW

— Mike Benz (@MikeBenzCyber) December 23, 2023