That’s fukt up, CBS. pic.twitter.com/NWqUS3LFwo

— The Redheaded libertarian (@TRHLofficial) February 6, 2023

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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Why do you guys keep seeking out stuff to offend you? I'm not offended NOR did I watch the Grammys.

It's all a big meh.

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Be honest. If it had been Trump dressing as the devil, you would have been steamed at the orange bogeyman.

In all seriousness, neither offended nor surprised. That doesn't mean it's not also wrong and one can't call it out as wrong. Christians are called to be salt and light to a dying world, which means speaking up, and not sitting idly by as we see our culture devolve into madness.

You might have missed the memo.

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You and I both know the devil doesn't dress up like the devil. That's like OJ dressing up like the grim reaper.

Transgression doesn’t exist w/out set of core values/attitudes/manners. People now play-act at Satanism for same reason Playboy led to Hustler to onlyfans triple anal - b/c when there is no standard, you can only dive into gutter of increasingly extreme. And it gets boring fast.

— FischerKing (@FischerKing64) February 7, 2023

This performance is normal.

Misgendering someone though is literally Nazism

Everything short of actually worshipping satan has been exaggerated by some people as "SaTaN wOrShIp!". This was unabashed satan worship and was billed as such by the artist. No exaggeration necessary this time, so we can't really compare it to Guns & Roses or Metallica or KISS. It's a public middle finger to Christians by corporate America. Remember how they treat you when they know you're armed and imagine how they would treat you if you weren't.

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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It all started with Elvis

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But he stole it from the blacks

Ispo facto

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Yep And you know blacks are into voodoo and all kinds of satanic stuff.

Mothra said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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My grandparents hated Elvis and was sure watching him would lead to ruin. My mother hated my Alice Cooper and Led Zeppelin albums. After a travelling preacher came through and claimed Satan was putting backward messages to lure us to hell, she burned my Deep Purple. EL & P and Alice Cooper records. I hate the crap my youngest son listened to as a teen.

Theres nothing new under the sun but each generation hates the more modern choices.

Of course anyone that doesnt agree with you must be a fool.

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So because your grandparents were wrong that Elvis was of the devil, there's nothing at all wrong with pretending you're Satan and having demons perform lewd acts on you for the world to see.

There's that swell LIQR logic we all know and love. I knew you wouldn't disappoint. I am sure Jesus would approve of your luke-warm approach to life. Way to stand up for the kingdom and your purported faith!

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You have teenage boys I think. Do they listen to Pat Boone nowadays? A prom with only music approved by the local Baptist church?

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Wait for it … pic.twitter.com/9SsSKK0Mac

— The Post Millennial (@TPostMillennial) February 6, 2023

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I thought I was watching Joe Biden's speech from Pennsylvania back in September !

Redbrickbear said:

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Jack Bauer said:

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"Children's" programming...

Imagine paying money to Disney to teach your kids to hate themselves and hate their country pic.twitter.com/cZBBCwVd7l

— Jack Posobiec 🇺🇸 (@JackPosobiec) February 5, 2023

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Slavery from sea to shining sea?

When did slavery reach Maine and Oregon?

California had a African slave based economy?

And if wealth from slavery made people rich...why are Louisiana and Mississippi the poorest States in the Union and not the richest?

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Dumbasses that wrote that need to Google Antietam. What a slap in the face to the hundreds of thousands of Yankees who died in the Civil War.

Celebrating their trans and non binary status is what's really eating away at our culture. The rest is just shock value.

Mitch Blood Green said:

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Mothra said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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Why do you guys keep seeking out stuff to offend you? I'm not offended NOR did I watch the Grammys.

It's all a big meh.

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Be honest. If it had been Trump dressing as the devil, you would have been steamed at the orange bogeyman.

In all seriousness, neither offended nor surprised. That doesn't mean it's not also wrong and one can't call it out as wrong. Christians are called to be salt and light to a dying world, which means speaking up, and not sitting idly by as we see our culture devolve into madness.

You might have missed the memo.

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You and I both know the devil doesn't dress up like the devil. That's like OJ dressing up like the grim reaper.

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For whatever reason, you seem to be astoundingly obtuse on this issue. Does God require us to be salt and light to a dying world, or not?

Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them. Ephesians 5:11

We destroy arguments and every lofty opinion raised against the knowledge of God, and take every thought captive to obey Christ, 2 Cor. 10:5.

Rather, speaking the truth in love, we are to grow up in every way into him who is the head, into Christ, Ephesians 4:5.

I am curious, do you have kids? If so, would you permit them to watch that display?

Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Mothra said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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My grandparents hated Elvis and was sure watching him would lead to ruin. My mother hated my Alice Cooper and Led Zeppelin albums. After a travelling preacher came through and claimed Satan was putting backward messages to lure us to hell, she burned my Deep Purple. EL & P and Alice Cooper records. I hate the crap my youngest son listened to as a teen.

Theres nothing new under the sun but each generation hates the more modern choices.

Of course anyone that doesnt agree with you must be a fool.

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So because your grandparents were wrong that Elvis was of the devil, there's nothing at all wrong with pretending you're Satan and having demons perform lewd acts on you for the world to see.

There's that swell LIQR logic we all know and love. I knew you wouldn't disappoint. I am sure Jesus would approve of your luke-warm approach to life. Way to stand up for the kingdom and your purported faith!

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You have teenage boys I think. Do they listen to Pat Boone nowadays? A prom with only music approved by the local Baptist church?

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So because back in the day parents thought it was bad for their kids to listen to Pat Boone, letting the kids watch Satan worship - whether mock or real - is cool? As a parent, I'm just a fuddy duddy making a big deal out of nothing?

I must say, your laissez faire approach to everything in life is truly fascinating. It seems nothing is off limits for you. I am curious, where is it as a parent and Christian you draw the line? Or do you even have one? Cool for your kids to watch porn? Is getting worked up over that me being a prude? Or maybe watching an orgy? How about gay sex? Or is it just that you wouldn't have your kids watch it, but to each his own? Clearly, Satan worship is no big deal, correct? Are you ok with your kids watching it? How about engaging in it? Do you believe it's ever appropriate to speak up for right and wrong, even against things that might not personally affect you? Let's say you knew a man was sexually abusing a child. Not your place to speak up? Is that, in your opinion, judging others?

I would be curious about your interpretation of these verses:

Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them. Ephesians 5:11

We destroy arguments and every lofty opinion raised against the knowledge of God, and take every thought captive to obey Christ, 2 Cor. 10:5.

Rather, speaking the truth in love, we are to grow up in every way into him who is the head, into Christ, Ephesians 4:5.

Do these support your laissez faire approach to life?

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Redbrickbear said:

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Jack Bauer said:

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"Children's" programming...

Imagine paying money to Disney to teach your kids to hate themselves and hate their country pic.twitter.com/cZBBCwVd7l

— Jack Posobiec 🇺🇸 (@JackPosobiec) February 5, 2023

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Slavery from sea to shining sea?

When did slavery reach Maine and Oregon?

California had a African slave based economy?

And if wealth from slavery made people rich...why are Louisiana and Mississippi the poorest States in the Union and not the richest?

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Dumbasses that wrote that need to Google Antietam. What a slap in the face to the hundreds of thousands of Yankees who died in the Civil War.

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Well none of those Union soldiers die to free slaves...so that theory goes out the window.

"The Union Army showed the greatest sympathy with McClellan for the bold protest against emancipation. Five States in particular, Indiana, Illinois, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and New York went strongly against Lincoln on this account. While Lincoln felt he must free the slaves as a war measure, he knew the North would not approve of freeing them." - Edward Channing, (American historian & Harvard Professor)

"A war simply for the abolition of slavery would not have enlisted a dozen regiments at the North."
~ George Lunt, "Origin of the Late War," p. 432

"But to assert that the object of the war is to secure the freedom of the negroes, is false. There is no such object. The first gun that was fired at Sumter rung the death-knell of Slavery, but they did it themselves!"
-John Brough (Gov OH 7/4/1863)

"We are uncompromisingly opposed to all schemes the tendency of which is calculated to overrun the state of Indiana with a worthless & degraded negro population"
-Indiana General Assembly, 3/7/1863

"No one now talks of the negro. The integrity of the Union and the relative power of state and general government are the issues in this war."-General Sherman, 5/13/1861


James McPherson described the mass desertions by federal troops after the Emancipation proclamation was issued.

["The men are much dissatisfied" with it reported a New York captain "and say it has turned into a Negro war and all the men are now terribly anxious…to return home for it was to preserve the Union that they volunteered for the war." Enlisted men confirmed this observation with a blizzard of bitter comments in letters home. " I am the Boy that will fight for my Country" wrote an Illinois private, but not for these Negroes," A soldier with the 66th Indiana wrote home from Mississippi in February, 1863, that he and his mess mates "will not fight to free the Negro… there is a Regiment here that say they will never fight until the proclamation is withdrawn. In one instance 700 soldiers of the 128th Illinois infantry deserted en masse after the proclamation was issued.]

"for Abolitionist was synonymous with thief. Between a band of men who stole horses and a band of men who stole negroes, the popular mind made small distinctions in the degrees of guilt. They were regarded as robbers, disturbers of the peace, the instigators of arson, murder, poisoning, rape; and, in addition to all these crimes, traitors to the government under which they lived, and enemies to the Union which gave us as a people liberty and strength." -Abraham Lincoln (The Life of Abraham Lincoln, By Ward Lamon)

Mothra said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Mothra said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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My grandparents hated Elvis and was sure watching him would lead to ruin. My mother hated my Alice Cooper and Led Zeppelin albums. After a travelling preacher came through and claimed Satan was putting backward messages to lure us to hell, she burned my Deep Purple. EL & P and Alice Cooper records. I hate the crap my youngest son listened to as a teen.

Theres nothing new under the sun but each generation hates the more modern choices.

Of course anyone that doesnt agree with you must be a fool.

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So because your grandparents were wrong that Elvis was of the devil, there's nothing at all wrong with pretending you're Satan and having demons perform lewd acts on you for the world to see.

There's that swell LIQR logic we all know and love. I knew you wouldn't disappoint. I am sure Jesus would approve of your luke-warm approach to life. Way to stand up for the kingdom and your purported faith!

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You have teenage boys I think. Do they listen to Pat Boone nowadays? A prom with only music approved by the local Baptist church?

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So because back in the day parents thought it was bad for their kids to listen to Pat Boone, letting the kids watch Satan worship - whether mock or real - is cool? As a parent, I'm just a fuddy duddy making a big deal out of nothing?

I must say, your laissez faire approach to everything in life is truly fascinating. It seems nothing is off limits for you. I am curious, where is it as a parent and Christian you draw the line? Or do you even have one? Cool for your kids to watch porn? Is getting worked up over that me being a prude? Or maybe watching an orgy? How about gay sex? Or is it just that you wouldn't have your kids watch it, but to each his own? Clearly, Satan worship is no big deal, correct? Are you ok with your kids watching it? How about engaging in it? Do you believe it's ever appropriate to speak up for right and wrong, even against things that might not personally affect you? Let's say you knew a man was sexually abusing a child. Not your place to speak up? Is that, in your opinion, judging others?

I would be curious about your interpretation of these verses:

Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them. Ephesians 5:11

We destroy arguments and every lofty opinion raised against the knowledge of God, and take every thought captive to obey Christ, 2 Cor. 10:5.

Rather, speaking the truth in love, we are to grow up in every way into him who is the head, into Christ, Ephesians 4:5.

Do these support your laissez faire approach to life?

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My kids are 39,40 and 45. When they were growing up we only had 1 tv so they watched what I watched. The wildest thing we watched was Beavis and Butthead. There was no porn in my house, or alcohol. I lead more by example than browbeating. I whipped my oldest twice, and my middle son about twice a week. As a single father I didnt whip my dsughter once she turned 13 and she drove me crazy. We went to the local Baptist church in whatever town I was working in. All three turned out to be healthy successful well educated adults, married once and 7 grandkids.

As to the verses you quoted, I take no parts in unfruitful works of darkness. With no TV I would not have known about the Grammies if not for the thread here I havent watched them in at least 20 years. So I guess I am a failure for not exposing them. By exposing them do you mean denouncing them on this board or do you take to the streets and rail against them at work? For the second verse I do argue Christianity to those that will listen. I have shared Christ all over the world to people that want to hear about it. In the UAE we met in rotating apartments. In China we met outdoors. Here in Alaska I attend a Catholic church,


Now I asked you a question and you ignored it and asked me twenty questions. What music do your kids listen to?





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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Mothra said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Mothra said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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My grandparents hated Elvis and was sure watching him would lead to ruin. My mother hated my Alice Cooper and Led Zeppelin albums. After a travelling preacher came through and claimed Satan was putting backward messages to lure us to hell, she burned my Deep Purple. EL & P and Alice Cooper records. I hate the crap my youngest son listened to as a teen.

Theres nothing new under the sun but each generation hates the more modern choices.

Of course anyone that doesnt agree with you must be a fool.

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So because your grandparents were wrong that Elvis was of the devil, there's nothing at all wrong with pretending you're Satan and having demons perform lewd acts on you for the world to see.

There's that swell LIQR logic we all know and love. I knew you wouldn't disappoint. I am sure Jesus would approve of your luke-warm approach to life. Way to stand up for the kingdom and your purported faith!

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You have teenage boys I think. Do they listen to Pat Boone nowadays? A prom with only music approved by the local Baptist church?

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So because back in the day parents thought it was bad for their kids to listen to Pat Boone, letting the kids watch Satan worship - whether mock or real - is cool? As a parent, I'm just a fuddy duddy making a big deal out of nothing?

I must say, your laissez faire approach to everything in life is truly fascinating. It seems nothing is off limits for you. I am curious, where is it as a parent and Christian you draw the line? Or do you even have one? Cool for your kids to watch porn? Is getting worked up over that me being a prude? Or maybe watching an orgy? How about gay sex? Or is it just that you wouldn't have your kids watch it, but to each his own? Clearly, Satan worship is no big deal, correct? Are you ok with your kids watching it? How about engaging in it? Do you believe it's ever appropriate to speak up for right and wrong, even against things that might not personally affect you? Let's say you knew a man was sexually abusing a child. Not your place to speak up? Is that, in your opinion, judging others?

I would be curious about your interpretation of these verses:

Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them. Ephesians 5:11

We destroy arguments and every lofty opinion raised against the knowledge of God, and take every thought captive to obey Christ, 2 Cor. 10:5.

Rather, speaking the truth in love, we are to grow up in every way into him who is the head, into Christ, Ephesians 4:5.

Do these support your laissez faire approach to life?

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My kids are 39,40 and 45. When they were growing up we only had 1 tv so they watched what I watched. The wildest thing we watched was Beavis and Butthead. There was no porn in my house, or alcohol. I lead more by example than browbeating. I whipped my oldest twice, and my middle son about twice a week. As a single father I didnt whip my dsughter once she turned 13 and she drove me crazy. We went to the local Baptist church in whatever town I was working in. All three turned out to be healthy successful well educated adults, married once and 7 grandkids.

As to the verses you quoted, I take no parts in unfruitful works of darkness. With no TV I would not have known about the Grammies if not for the thread here I havent watched them in at least 20 years. So I guess I am a failure for not exposing them. By exposing them do you mean denouncing them on this board or do you take to the streets and rail against them at work? For the second verse I do argue Christianity to those that will listen. I have shared Christ all over the world to people that want to hear about it. In the UAE we met in rotating apartments. In China we met outdoors. Here in Alaska I attend a Catholic church,


Now I asked you a question and you ignored it and asked me twenty questions. What music do your kids listen to?

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LIQR, I am more interested in the answers to my questions than how you raised your kids back in the 80's. So let me first answer your irrelevant questions, and then I will re-ask the questions you failed to answer.

17-year-old son listens to a lot of classic rock/pop. I introduced him to my favorite bands and artists from the 60's, 70's, 80's and 90's, and now that's what he listens to. He also has friends that like country, so there's some of that in the repertoire. And finally, he likes a lot of Christian artists and Christian praise and worship.

14-year-old likes some of the more benign hip hop and rap, much to my chagrin. Nothing with cussing or sexual innuendo, as we keep that away from him. We also turn on the parental filters that filter out the bad stuff. He likes Post Malone quite a bit, but can't listen to all of his songs. Also likes some of the modern day pop artists and some Christian pop.

10-year-old isn't interested in that kind of music yet.

As I suggested above, we don't shield our kids from the world, as that is also doing them a disservice, but we closely monitor the intake, because that's what parents do, LIQR (or are supposed to do), especially those that love their kids and call themselves Christian. Leading by example is fine and dandy, but since you are apparently out of touch with the modern world or more likely just don't care since it doesn't affect you personally, there is a lot of filth out there, and competing role models in our kids lives that have much greater access to our kids now days. I can live a model life, but friends at school and media in his life may not. That is why it's important not just to lead by example, but actually teach our kids what's right and wrong (what you would absurdly call "browbeating" I suppose), and help protect them - as much as you can - from being exposed to such filth, especially while they are young. It's why we have filters on TV, computers, etc. at our house. It's why we have software that monitors texts to friends. The less exposure they have to such filth, numerous studies have shown the lesser chance of them having issues and addictions later in life. Unfortunately, this isn't the 80's, LIQR, where we have one TV and a handful of stations, and you really have to seek such filth out to be exposed to it. To the contrary, today filth can be easily streamed into the home on a daily basis with the touch of a button, whether on the TV, computers or phones. Now simply turning on the TV to watch the Grammys can expose you to it. You have no clue how much more difficult it is to protect them than when you raised yours. As a child of the 80's, not much older than your kids, I can attest to that. We had to go to the record store or convenience store to get such stuff.

So let's pretend you are raising your kids today instead of the 80's, and try to answer my questions. Where is it as a parent and Christian you draw the line? Am I being over-protective by putting filters and parental controls on the media? Am I doing them a disservice by saying no to watching the Grammys? Is there any media that would be off limits for you? Would you have let your kids watch the Satanic display complained of in this thread? Mock devil worship no big deal and something to be downplayed, as you have done? By telling my kids that's wrong and preventing them from being exposed to it, am I "browbeating" them like your parents who thought Elvis and Pat Boone were of the devil?

As for cultural issues, did you believe Paul was telling Christians they must take to the streets to be salt and light, or can they do it at home and in their daily lives? Is one a hypocrite in your book if he merely denounces it at home or on an internet message board or with the people he knows, as opposed to standing on a soap box on a street corner? Or as long as it doesn't affect you personally, is it "judgmental" to expose unfruitful works to the world, as Paul commanded? Should we refrain from speaking truth in love because that's "browbeating"?

I don't think the OP knows what actual devil worship is. You may not agree with Sam Smith's music or his lifestyle, but that song and "performance" is in no way "devil worshipping". He is just trying to get a rise out of people too dumb to know what devil worshipping actually is. Surprise, it worked. And he just got another 1 million hits on one of his videos. So congrats?

I'm more concerned about what in the world was Madonna thinking?

So he was trying to be offensive towards normal people by he and a ****** getting up and singing a song called Unholy while dressed as satan and grinding on worshipping backup dancers but we are the ones overreacting by actually getting offended it was put on air during an allegedly family-friendly awards show? The intent was to offend. They were successful. That's no indictment of the offended normal humans.

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I don't think the OP knows what actual devil worship is. You may not agree with Sam Smith's music or his lifestyle, but that song and "performance" is in no way "devil worshipping". He is just trying to get a rise out of people too dumb to know what devil worshipping actually is. Surprise, it worked. And he just got another 1 million hits on one of his videos. So congrats?

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Do you mind explaining to us all what is the difference between "devil worshipping" and Luciferianism, spirit cooking, Moloch & Baal worship, blood sacrifce etc, Thelema etc?

This concept is brand new, we have never seen this before. Marilyn Manson, Judas Priest, Slayer, Iron Maiden, etc were all super popular and had a very Christian focused message. We are doomed.

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This concept is brand new, we have never seen this before. Marilyn Manson, Judas Priest, Slayer, Iron Maiden, etc were all super popular and had a very Christian focused message. We are doomed.

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yeah, that year Slayer played the Grammys was insane...

Mothra said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Mothra said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Mothra said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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My grandparents hated Elvis and was sure watching him would lead to ruin. My mother hated my Alice Cooper and Led Zeppelin albums. After a travelling preacher came through and claimed Satan was putting backward messages to lure us to hell, she burned my Deep Purple. EL & P and Alice Cooper records. I hate the crap my youngest son listened to as a teen.

Theres nothing new under the sun but each generation hates the more modern choices.

Of course anyone that doesnt agree with you must be a fool.

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So because your grandparents were wrong that Elvis was of the devil, there's nothing at all wrong with pretending you're Satan and having demons perform lewd acts on you for the world to see.

There's that swell LIQR logic we all know and love. I knew you wouldn't disappoint. I am sure Jesus would approve of your luke-warm approach to life. Way to stand up for the kingdom and your purported faith!

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You have teenage boys I think. Do they listen to Pat Boone nowadays? A prom with only music approved by the local Baptist church?

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So because back in the day parents thought it was bad for their kids to listen to Pat Boone, letting the kids watch Satan worship - whether mock or real - is cool? As a parent, I'm just a fuddy duddy making a big deal out of nothing?

I must say, your laissez faire approach to everything in life is truly fascinating. It seems nothing is off limits for you. I am curious, where is it as a parent and Christian you draw the line? Or do you even have one? Cool for your kids to watch porn? Is getting worked up over that me being a prude? Or maybe watching an orgy? How about gay sex? Or is it just that you wouldn't have your kids watch it, but to each his own? Clearly, Satan worship is no big deal, correct? Are you ok with your kids watching it? How about engaging in it? Do you believe it's ever appropriate to speak up for right and wrong, even against things that might not personally affect you? Let's say you knew a man was sexually abusing a child. Not your place to speak up? Is that, in your opinion, judging others?

I would be curious about your interpretation of these verses:

Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them. Ephesians 5:11

We destroy arguments and every lofty opinion raised against the knowledge of God, and take every thought captive to obey Christ, 2 Cor. 10:5.

Rather, speaking the truth in love, we are to grow up in every way into him who is the head, into Christ, Ephesians 4:5.

Do these support your laissez faire approach to life?

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My kids are 39,40 and 45. When they were growing up we only had 1 tv so they watched what I watched. The wildest thing we watched was Beavis and Butthead. There was no porn in my house, or alcohol. I lead more by example than browbeating. I whipped my oldest twice, and my middle son about twice a week. As a single father I didnt whip my dsughter once she turned 13 and she drove me crazy. We went to the local Baptist church in whatever town I was working in. All three turned out to be healthy successful well educated adults, married once and 7 grandkids.

As to the verses you quoted, I take no parts in unfruitful works of darkness. With no TV I would not have known about the Grammies if not for the thread here I havent watched them in at least 20 years. So I guess I am a failure for not exposing them. By exposing them do you mean denouncing them on this board or do you take to the streets and rail against them at work? For the second verse I do argue Christianity to those that will listen. I have shared Christ all over the world to people that want to hear about it. In the UAE we met in rotating apartments. In China we met outdoors. Here in Alaska I attend a Catholic church,


Now I asked you a question and you ignored it and asked me twenty questions. What music do your kids listen to?

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LIQR, I am more interested in the answers to my questions than how you raised your kids back in the 80's. So let me first answer your irrelevant questions, and then I will re-ask the questions you failed to answer.

17-year-old son listens to a lot of classic rock/pop. I introduced him to my favorite bands and artists from the 60's, 70's, 80's and 90's, and now that's what he listens to. He also has friends that like country, so there's some of that in the repertoire. And finally, he likes a lot of Christian artists and Christian praise and worship.

14-year-old likes some of the more benign hip hop and rap, much to my chagrin. Nothing with cussing or sexual innuendo, as we keep that away from him. We also turn on the parental filters that filter out the bad stuff. He likes Post Malone quite a bit, but can't listen to all of his songs. Also likes some of the modern day pop artists and some Christian pop.

10-year-old isn't interested in that kind of music yet.

As I suggested above, we don't shield our kids from the world, as that is also doing them a disservice, but we closely monitor the intake, because that's what parents do, LIQR (or are supposed to do), especially those that love their kids and call themselves Christian. Leading by example is fine and dandy, but since you are apparently out of touch with the modern world or more likely just don't care since it doesn't affect you personally, there is a lot of filth out there, and competing role models in our kids lives that have much greater access to our kids now days. I can live a model life, but friends at school and media in his life may not. That is why it's important not just to lead by example, but actually teach our kids what's right and wrong (what you would absurdly call "browbeating" I suppose), and help protect them - as much as you can - from being exposed to such filth, especially while they are young. It's why we have filters on TV, computers, etc. at our house. It's why we have software that monitors texts to friends. The less exposure they have to such filth, numerous studies have shown the lesser chance of them having issues and addictions later in life. Unfortunately, this isn't the 80's, LIQR, where we have one TV and a handful of stations, and you really have to seek such filth out to be exposed to it. To the contrary, today filth can be easily streamed into the home on a daily basis with the touch of a button, whether on the TV, computers or phones. Now simply turning on the TV to watch the Grammys can expose you to it. You have no clue how much more difficult it is to protect them than when you raised yours. As a child of the 80's, not much older than your kids, I can attest to that. We had to go to the record store or convenience store to get such stuff.

So let's pretend you are raising your kids today instead of the 80's, and try to answer my questions. Where is it as a parent and Christian you draw the line? Am I being over-protective by putting filters and parental controls on the media? Am I doing them a disservice by saying no to watching the Grammys? Is there any media that would be off limits for you? Would you have let your kids watch the Satanic display complained of in this thread? Mock devil worship no big deal and something to be downplayed, as you have done? By telling my kids that's wrong and preventing them from being exposed to it, am I "browbeating" them like your parents who thought Elvis and Pat Boone were of the devil?

As for cultural issues, did you believe Paul was telling Christians they must take to the streets to be salt and light, or can they do it at home and in their daily lives? Is one a hypocrite in your book if he merely denounces it at home or on an internet message board or with the people he knows, as opposed to standing on a soap box on a street corner? Or as long as it doesn't affect you personally, is it "judgmental" to expose unfruitful works to the world, as Paul commanded? Should we refrain from speaking truth in love because that's "browbeating"?

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I wont say you are being overprotective. Kids/families are different. If I were raising my kids again I would still just have one TV. I would not monitor their communications with friends. If I thought they were spending too much time on their laptops I would move their desk to the living room.

I taught my sons to respect women. They didnt cuss in front of women. They had a time to be home, etc etc. I didnt like all the girls they dated but didnt get too involved. Once they graduated from high school the dinner plate was broken and they were on their own. My youngest eventually married the first and only girl he ever kissed, My middle son was much different. He made friends with some stewardesses and used to fly to NY with them and do modeling for some sales catalogues. He lived with a girlfriend in college but met a great girl in law school and now has 3 kids and is happy.

I tried to set a good example. My kids have still never seen me drink a beer. They know I do or at least dd. They have never seen me drunk. I never smoked or did any drugs. I took them to church when they were still living in y house.

The oldest son always listened to the same music I do. He and I have been to 7 or 8 Tom Petty concerts. I took both of them to see the Stones. I think Dave Mathews and Oasis opened.

My experience was different because I was a singe father.. Luckily they were able to overcome my shortcoming and all three grown into mature responsible citizens, The boys vote republican and the girl is a dem. I blame her mother.

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This concept is brand new, we have never seen this before. Marilyn Manson, Judas Priest, Slayer, Iron Maiden, etc were all super popular and had a very Christian focused message. We are doomed.

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yeah, that year Slayer played the Grammys was insane...

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I remember when Slayer said little girls should go on puberty blockers and remove their br**sts if they wanted to.

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This concept is brand new, we have never seen this before. Marilyn Manson, Judas Priest, Slayer, Iron Maiden, etc were all super popular and had a very Christian focused message. We are doomed.

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yeah, that year Slayer played the Grammys was insane...

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I remember when Slayer said little girls should go on puberty blockers and remove their br**sts if they wanted to.

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Who could have imagined that the USA culturally would degrade to such a state that average people and Christians would wish we could just get back to the days of 1980s Black metal bands and lite devil imagery.

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Who cares about the Grammys? They haven't been relevant in their entire history. They once gave an award for best metal album to Jethro Tull over Metallica for crying out loud. All this being said, I'm sure the pearl clutching over the Sam Smith (whoever the hell that guy is) only played into their intent in the first place. They were trying to capture headlines and y'all are playing into it. If you ignore the trolls they lose their power.

Also, many conservatives have had a "the satanists are ruining our children" attitude going all the way back to the 70s and 80s with bands like Black Sabbath, Ozzy, Iron Maiden, Kiss, AC/DC, Judas Priest, Slayer, etc. and kids aren't sacrificing goats in front of statues of baphomet en masse. This is just some provocative, trans weirdo trying to make news.

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I think this silliness actually goes all the way back to Adam and Eve (who I understand didn't like the music Cain listened to and the VOLUME of it). We all know how Cain turned out. It was that dam satanic music that started him on the path.

But I first became aware of this belief system back in high school in the late 70s, when a cassette tape was passed around our church with a guy claiming to be a former rock insider ... and claiming that EVERY rock album was in fact mastered is some way as to contain actual demons to be released into a house where any album was played. ALL the bands were satanic, but Kiss was the worst. My mom made me toss my Kiss albums (she didn't believe the guy that only burning the albums would get rid of the demons).

I didn't even much like Kiss. But maybe the clown was right, and it's Kiss demons that are controlling my thoughts even now, 45 years or so later.

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Hahaha, that is funny. My kid on rock and roll day at his "christian" HS, dressed up as the Kiss lead singer with a couple of his friends dressing up as other Kiss musicians, they were complete with guitars etc. They had by far the best look, but didn't win because well, they weren't about to let Kiss win.

Some kids dressed up like they were actors on Grease, won, with their lame outfits.

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Who cares about the Grammys? They haven't been relevant in their entire history. They once gave an award for best metal album to Jethro Tull over Metallica for crying out loud. All this being said, I'm sure the pearl clutching over the Sam Smith (whoever the hell that guy is) only played into their intent in the first place. They were trying to capture headlines and y'all are playing into it. If you ignore the trolls they lose their power.

Also, many conservatives have had a "the satanists are ruining our children" attitude going all the way back to the 70s and 80s with bands like Black Sabbath, Ozzy, Iron Maiden, Kiss, AC/DC, Judas Priest, Slayer, etc. and kids aren't sacrificing goats in front of statues of baphomet en masse. This is just some provocative, trans weirdo trying to make news.

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I think this silliness actually goes all the way back to Adam and Eve (who I understand didn't like the music Cain listened to and the VOLUME of it). We all know how Cain turned out. It was that dam satanic music that started him on the path.

But I first became aware of this belief system back in high school in the late 70s, when a cassette tape was passed around our church with a guy claiming to be a former rock insider ... and claiming that EVERY rock album was in fact mastered is some way as to contain actual demons to be released into a house where any album was played. ALL the bands were satanic, but Kiss was the worst. My mom made me toss my Kiss albums (she didn't believe the guy that only burning the albums would get rid of the demons).

I didn't even much like Kiss. But maybe the clown was right, and it's Kiss demons that are controlling my thoughts even now, 45 years or so later.

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Hahaha, that is funny. My kid on rock and roll day at his "christian" HS, dressed up as the Kiss lead singer with a couple of his friends dressing up as other Kiss musicians, they were complete with guitars etc. They had by far the best look, but didn't win because well, they weren't about to let Kiss win.

Some kids dressed up like they were actors on Grease, won, with their lame outfits.

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That's awesome.

Now those other kids? The Grease ones? They sound like future Sing dweebs. BUT ... not necessarily Satanic. I guess. Would have to listen to that stupid cassette again to know for sure.

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Mothra said:

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My grandparents hated Elvis and was sure watching him would lead to ruin. My mother hated my Alice Cooper and Led Zeppelin albums. After a travelling preacher came through and claimed Satan was putting backward messages to lure us to hell, she burned my Deep Purple. EL & P and Alice Cooper records. I hate the crap my youngest son listened to as a teen.

Theres nothing new under the sun but each generation hates the more modern choices.

Of course anyone that doesnt agree with you must be a fool.

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So because your grandparents were wrong that Elvis was of the devil, there's nothing at all wrong with pretending you're Satan and having demons perform lewd acts on you for the world to see.

There's that swell LIQR logic we all know and love. I knew you wouldn't disappoint. I am sure Jesus would approve of your luke-warm approach to life. Way to stand up for the kingdom and your purported faith!

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You have teenage boys I think. Do they listen to Pat Boone nowadays? A prom with only music approved by the local Baptist church?

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So because back in the day parents thought it was bad for their kids to listen to Pat Boone, letting the kids watch Satan worship - whether mock or real - is cool? As a parent, I'm just a fuddy duddy making a big deal out of nothing?

I must say, your laissez faire approach to everything in life is truly fascinating. It seems nothing is off limits for you. I am curious, where is it as a parent and Christian you draw the line? Or do you even have one? Cool for your kids to watch porn? Is getting worked up over that me being a prude? Or maybe watching an orgy? How about gay sex? Or is it just that you wouldn't have your kids watch it, but to each his own? Clearly, Satan worship is no big deal, correct? Are you ok with your kids watching it? How about engaging in it? Do you believe it's ever appropriate to speak up for right and wrong, even against things that might not personally affect you? Let's say you knew a man was sexually abusing a child. Not your place to speak up? Is that, in your opinion, judging others?

I would be curious about your interpretation of these verses:

Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them. Ephesians 5:11

We destroy arguments and every lofty opinion raised against the knowledge of God, and take every thought captive to obey Christ, 2 Cor. 10:5.

Rather, speaking the truth in love, we are to grow up in every way into him who is the head, into Christ, Ephesians 4:5.

Do these support your laissez faire approach to life?

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My kids are 39,40 and 45. When they were growing up we only had 1 tv so they watched what I watched. The wildest thing we watched was Beavis and Butthead. There was no porn in my house, or alcohol. I lead more by example than browbeating. I whipped my oldest twice, and my middle son about twice a week. As a single father I didnt whip my dsughter once she turned 13 and she drove me crazy. We went to the local Baptist church in whatever town I was working in. All three turned out to be healthy successful well educated adults, married once and 7 grandkids.

As to the verses you quoted, I take no parts in unfruitful works of darkness. With no TV I would not have known about the Grammies if not for the thread here I havent watched them in at least 20 years. So I guess I am a failure for not exposing them. By exposing them do you mean denouncing them on this board or do you take to the streets and rail against them at work? For the second verse I do argue Christianity to those that will listen. I have shared Christ all over the world to people that want to hear about it. In the UAE we met in rotating apartments. In China we met outdoors. Here in Alaska I attend a Catholic church,


Now I asked you a question and you ignored it and asked me twenty questions. What music do your kids listen to?

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LIQR, I am more interested in the answers to my questions than how you raised your kids back in the 80's. So let me first answer your irrelevant questions, and then I will re-ask the questions you failed to answer.

17-year-old son listens to a lot of classic rock/pop. I introduced him to my favorite bands and artists from the 60's, 70's, 80's and 90's, and now that's what he listens to. He also has friends that like country, so there's some of that in the repertoire. And finally, he likes a lot of Christian artists and Christian praise and worship.

14-year-old likes some of the more benign hip hop and rap, much to my chagrin. Nothing with cussing or sexual innuendo, as we keep that away from him. We also turn on the parental filters that filter out the bad stuff. He likes Post Malone quite a bit, but can't listen to all of his songs. Also likes some of the modern day pop artists and some Christian pop.

10-year-old isn't interested in that kind of music yet.

As I suggested above, we don't shield our kids from the world, as that is also doing them a disservice, but we closely monitor the intake, because that's what parents do, LIQR (or are supposed to do), especially those that love their kids and call themselves Christian. Leading by example is fine and dandy, but since you are apparently out of touch with the modern world or more likely just don't care since it doesn't affect you personally, there is a lot of filth out there, and competing role models in our kids lives that have much greater access to our kids now days. I can live a model life, but friends at school and media in his life may not. That is why it's important not just to lead by example, but actually teach our kids what's right and wrong (what you would absurdly call "browbeating" I suppose), and help protect them - as much as you can - from being exposed to such filth, especially while they are young. It's why we have filters on TV, computers, etc. at our house. It's why we have software that monitors texts to friends. The less exposure they have to such filth, numerous studies have shown the lesser chance of them having issues and addictions later in life. Unfortunately, this isn't the 80's, LIQR, where we have one TV and a handful of stations, and you really have to seek such filth out to be exposed to it. To the contrary, today filth can be easily streamed into the home on a daily basis with the touch of a button, whether on the TV, computers or phones. Now simply turning on the TV to watch the Grammys can expose you to it. You have no clue how much more difficult it is to protect them than when you raised yours. As a child of the 80's, not much older than your kids, I can attest to that. We had to go to the record store or convenience store to get such stuff.

So let's pretend you are raising your kids today instead of the 80's, and try to answer my questions. Where is it as a parent and Christian you draw the line? Am I being over-protective by putting filters and parental controls on the media? Am I doing them a disservice by saying no to watching the Grammys? Is there any media that would be off limits for you? Would you have let your kids watch the Satanic display complained of in this thread? Mock devil worship no big deal and something to be downplayed, as you have done? By telling my kids that's wrong and preventing them from being exposed to it, am I "browbeating" them like your parents who thought Elvis and Pat Boone were of the devil?

As for cultural issues, did you believe Paul was telling Christians they must take to the streets to be salt and light, or can they do it at home and in their daily lives? Is one a hypocrite in your book if he merely denounces it at home or on an internet message board or with the people he knows, as opposed to standing on a soap box on a street corner? Or as long as it doesn't affect you personally, is it "judgmental" to expose unfruitful works to the world, as Paul commanded? Should we refrain from speaking truth in love because that's "browbeating"?

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I wont say you are being overprotective. Kids/families are different. If I were raising my kids again I would still just have one TV. I would not monitor their communications with friends. If I thought they were spending too much time on their laptops I would move their desk to the living room.

I taught my sons to respect women. They didnt cuss in front of women. They had a time to be home, etc etc. I didnt like all the girls they dated but didnt get too involved. Once they graduated from high school the dinner plate was broken and they were on their own. My youngest eventually married the first and only girl he ever kissed, My middle son was much different. He made friends with some stewardesses and used to fly to NY with them and do modeling for some sales catalogues. He lived with a girlfriend in college but met a great girl in law school and now has 3 kids and is happy.

I tried to set a good example. My kids have still never seen me drink a beer. They know I do or at least dd. They have never seen me drunk. I never smoked or did any drugs. I took them to church when they were still living in y house.

The oldest son always listened to the same music I do. He and I have been to 7 or 8 Tom Petty concerts. I took both of them to see the Stones. I think Dave Mathews and Oasis opened.

My experience was different because I was a singe father.. Luckily they were able to overcome my shortcoming and all three grown into mature responsible citizens, The boys vote republican and the girl is a dem. I blame her mother.

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I am glad your kids turned out well. Lucky for you, they were raised in the 80's, when exposure to such filth wasn't so easy. Unfortunately, this is a very different day and age we live in and raise kids. Unfiltered and unmonitored exposure to media is a great way to lead to numerous addictions and other issues, studies have shown.

I suspect that if you were raising kids today, you wouldn't have such a laissez faire approach to what you would allow them to be exposed to, nor such a flippant response to mock devil worship.

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I don't think the OP knows what actual devil worship is. You may not agree with Sam Smith's music or his lifestyle, but that song and "performance" is in no way "devil worshipping". He is just trying to get a rise out of people too dumb to know what devil worshipping actually is. Surprise, it worked. And he just got another 1 million hits on one of his videos. So congrats?

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Does it really matter what his intention was, or that the devil worship was simulated?

Surprised to see so many adults defending such smut.

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This concept is brand new, we have never seen this before. Marilyn Manson, Judas Priest, Slayer, Iron Maiden, etc were all super popular and had a very Christian focused message. We are doomed.

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New? No.

What we usually expect to be exposed to during prime time at an award's show like the Grammys? Also, no.

The fact that it's not new makes it ok, and unworthy of critique? Yet again, no.

Just figured this thread was needing a non offensive

very binary picture of Natalie Wood.


You're welcome.

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Just figured this thread was needing a non offensive

very binary picture of Natalie Wood.


You're welcome.

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I hope she doesn't slip and fall overboard.

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Just figured this thread was needing a non offensive

very binary picture of Natalie Wood.


You're welcome.

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I hope she doesn't slip and fall overboard.

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You will be Walken that statement back.

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LateSteak69 said:

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This concept is brand new, we have never seen this before. Marilyn Manson, Judas Priest, Slayer, Iron Maiden, etc were all super popular and had a very Christian focused message. We are doomed.

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New? No.

What we usually expect to be exposed to during prime time at an award's show like the Grammys? Also, no.

The fact that it's not new makes it ok, and unworthy of critique? Yet again, no.

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never said it is not worth of critique. just simply it's not new. dont over analyze.

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Mothra said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Mothra said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Mothra said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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My grandparents hated Elvis and was sure watching him would lead to ruin. My mother hated my Alice Cooper and Led Zeppelin albums. After a travelling preacher came through and claimed Satan was putting backward messages to lure us to hell, she burned my Deep Purple. EL & P and Alice Cooper records. I hate the crap my youngest son listened to as a teen.

Theres nothing new under the sun but each generation hates the more modern choices.

Of course anyone that doesnt agree with you must be a fool.

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So because your grandparents were wrong that Elvis was of the devil, there's nothing at all wrong with pretending you're Satan and having demons perform lewd acts on you for the world to see.

There's that swell LIQR logic we all know and love. I knew you wouldn't disappoint. I am sure Jesus would approve of your luke-warm approach to life. Way to stand up for the kingdom and your purported faith!

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You have teenage boys I think. Do they listen to Pat Boone nowadays? A prom with only music approved by the local Baptist church?

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So because back in the day parents thought it was bad for their kids to listen to Pat Boone, letting the kids watch Satan worship - whether mock or real - is cool? As a parent, I'm just a fuddy duddy making a big deal out of nothing?

I must say, your laissez faire approach to everything in life is truly fascinating. It seems nothing is off limits for you. I am curious, where is it as a parent and Christian you draw the line? Or do you even have one? Cool for your kids to watch porn? Is getting worked up over that me being a prude? Or maybe watching an orgy? How about gay sex? Or is it just that you wouldn't have your kids watch it, but to each his own? Clearly, Satan worship is no big deal, correct? Are you ok with your kids watching it? How about engaging in it? Do you believe it's ever appropriate to speak up for right and wrong, even against things that might not personally affect you? Let's say you knew a man was sexually abusing a child. Not your place to speak up? Is that, in your opinion, judging others?

I would be curious about your interpretation of these verses:

Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them. Ephesians 5:11

We destroy arguments and every lofty opinion raised against the knowledge of God, and take every thought captive to obey Christ, 2 Cor. 10:5.

Rather, speaking the truth in love, we are to grow up in every way into him who is the head, into Christ, Ephesians 4:5.

Do these support your laissez faire approach to life?

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My kids are 39,40 and 45. When they were growing up we only had 1 tv so they watched what I watched. The wildest thing we watched was Beavis and Butthead. There was no porn in my house, or alcohol. I lead more by example than browbeating. I whipped my oldest twice, and my middle son about twice a week. As a single father I didnt whip my dsughter once she turned 13 and she drove me crazy. We went to the local Baptist church in whatever town I was working in. All three turned out to be healthy successful well educated adults, married once and 7 grandkids.

As to the verses you quoted, I take no parts in unfruitful works of darkness. With no TV I would not have known about the Grammies if not for the thread here I havent watched them in at least 20 years. So I guess I am a failure for not exposing them. By exposing them do you mean denouncing them on this board or do you take to the streets and rail against them at work? For the second verse I do argue Christianity to those that will listen. I have shared Christ all over the world to people that want to hear about it. In the UAE we met in rotating apartments. In China we met outdoors. Here in Alaska I attend a Catholic church,


Now I asked you a question and you ignored it and asked me twenty questions. What music do your kids listen to?

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LIQR, I am more interested in the answers to my questions than how you raised your kids back in the 80's. So let me first answer your irrelevant questions, and then I will re-ask the questions you failed to answer.

17-year-old son listens to a lot of classic rock/pop. I introduced him to my favorite bands and artists from the 60's, 70's, 80's and 90's, and now that's what he listens to. He also has friends that like country, so there's some of that in the repertoire. And finally, he likes a lot of Christian artists and Christian praise and worship.

14-year-old likes some of the more benign hip hop and rap, much to my chagrin. Nothing with cussing or sexual innuendo, as we keep that away from him. We also turn on the parental filters that filter out the bad stuff. He likes Post Malone quite a bit, but can't listen to all of his songs. Also likes some of the modern day pop artists and some Christian pop.

10-year-old isn't interested in that kind of music yet.

As I suggested above, we don't shield our kids from the world, as that is also doing them a disservice, but we closely monitor the intake, because that's what parents do, LIQR (or are supposed to do), especially those that love their kids and call themselves Christian. Leading by example is fine and dandy, but since you are apparently out of touch with the modern world or more likely just don't care since it doesn't affect you personally, there is a lot of filth out there, and competing role models in our kids lives that have much greater access to our kids now days. I can live a model life, but friends at school and media in his life may not. That is why it's important not just to lead by example, but actually teach our kids what's right and wrong (what you would absurdly call "browbeating" I suppose), and help protect them - as much as you can - from being exposed to such filth, especially while they are young. It's why we have filters on TV, computers, etc. at our house. It's why we have software that monitors texts to friends. The less exposure they have to such filth, numerous studies have shown the lesser chance of them having issues and addictions later in life. Unfortunately, this isn't the 80's, LIQR, where we have one TV and a handful of stations, and you really have to seek such filth out to be exposed to it. To the contrary, today filth can be easily streamed into the home on a daily basis with the touch of a button, whether on the TV, computers or phones. Now simply turning on the TV to watch the Grammys can expose you to it. You have no clue how much more difficult it is to protect them than when you raised yours. As a child of the 80's, not much older than your kids, I can attest to that. We had to go to the record store or convenience store to get such stuff.

So let's pretend you are raising your kids today instead of the 80's, and try to answer my questions. Where is it as a parent and Christian you draw the line? Am I being over-protective by putting filters and parental controls on the media? Am I doing them a disservice by saying no to watching the Grammys? Is there any media that would be off limits for you? Would you have let your kids watch the Satanic display complained of in this thread? Mock devil worship no big deal and something to be downplayed, as you have done? By telling my kids that's wrong and preventing them from being exposed to it, am I "browbeating" them like your parents who thought Elvis and Pat Boone were of the devil?

As for cultural issues, did you believe Paul was telling Christians they must take to the streets to be salt and light, or can they do it at home and in their daily lives? Is one a hypocrite in your book if he merely denounces it at home or on an internet message board or with the people he knows, as opposed to standing on a soap box on a street corner? Or as long as it doesn't affect you personally, is it "judgmental" to expose unfruitful works to the world, as Paul commanded? Should we refrain from speaking truth in love because that's "browbeating"?

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I wont say you are being overprotective. Kids/families are different. If I were raising my kids again I would still just have one TV. I would not monitor their communications with friends. If I thought they were spending too much time on their laptops I would move their desk to the living room.

I taught my sons to respect women. They didnt cuss in front of women. They had a time to be home, etc etc. I didnt like all the girls they dated but didnt get too involved. Once they graduated from high school the dinner plate was broken and they were on their own. My youngest eventually married the first and only girl he ever kissed, My middle son was much different. He made friends with some stewardesses and used to fly to NY with them and do modeling for some sales catalogues. He lived with a girlfriend in college but met a great girl in law school and now has 3 kids and is happy.

I tried to set a good example. My kids have still never seen me drink a beer. They know I do or at least dd. They have never seen me drunk. I never smoked or did any drugs. I took them to church when they were still living in y house.

The oldest son always listened to the same music I do. He and I have been to 7 or 8 Tom Petty concerts. I took both of them to see the Stones. I think Dave Mathews and Oasis opened.

My experience was different because I was a singe father.. Luckily they were able to overcome my shortcoming and all three grown into mature responsible citizens, The boys vote republican and the girl is a dem. I blame her mother.

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I am glad your kids turned out well. Lucky for you, they were raised in the 80's, when exposure to such filth wasn't so easy. Unfortunately, this is a very different day and age we live in and raise kids. Unfiltered and unmonitored exposure to media is a great way to lead to numerous addictions and other issues, studies have shown.

I suspect that if you were raising kids today, you wouldn't have such a laissez faire approach to what you would allow them to be exposed to, nor such a flippant response to mock devil worship.

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Crack cocaine was big in the 80's. Same percent as today. Sedatives were more common back then, Pot and alcohol were more common back then. I have heard pot is stronger now. I dont know but I trust my sources.

https://rehabs.com/blog/most-popular-drug-in-us-by-decade/


In the 80's Tipper Gore tried to lead America about the horrible satanic violent trends of rock music. Here is Dee Snider appearing in a hearing defending himself. He is well spoken and and runs circles around the critics. Frank Zappa also appeared but I couldnt find a clip.

Evil has always existed, even back then. A man should raise his children with common sense. Spend a lot of time with them. Instead of always trying to monitor, control and play defense, a man should teach his children to be honest, fearless and strong. Teach them to work hard, play hard and be true to what they believe, I know its scary. i always wanted to be the one my kids came to when they had questions. I didnt want to be seen as a warden. I was the leader.

Every generation thinks its tougher to raise kids than the one before it. Parenting isnt easy. Its rarely a result of parents getting lucky, much less a young single parent. with three kids.

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"Children's" programming...

Imagine paying money to Disney to teach your kids to hate themselves and hate their country pic.twitter.com/cZBBCwVd7l

— Jack Posobiec 🇺🇸 (@JackPosobiec) February 5, 2023

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"Slaves built this country!"

That's funny - I didn't realize that nothing has been built in America over the course of the last 157 years plus. Who knew??

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I have also noticed a massive drop off in USA productivity and industry since the end of slavery.

We really just aren't making anything or getting anything built anymore?

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Lol I'm imagining some heads exploding hearing you say this.