Do you think REVERED Jesse Jackson was wrong and racist?cms186 said:Precautions such as what? Seeing a Black Guy in the street and thinking hes a criminal, just because Black people commit a higher number of Violent Crimes compared to their % of the population is racist, in the same way as thinking every Muslim is a terrorist is Islamophobic. If you want to live like that, feel free, but its not a Christian way to live.Harrison Bergeron said:Look who took at statistics class.cms186 said:We all know the answer will be Black Male, im not sure what you hope to gain from this pointless endeavour, unless you think that because Black Men are statistically more likely to commit Violent crimes, that gives you the right to view all Black Men with suspicion and shoot them if they happen to come to your door?Harrison Bergeron said:This is a request for facts and data, so we know you will not respond, but I'm going to ask anyway just to give you another chance to demonstrate what a clueless dumb**** you are.cms186 said:
Im afraid not:
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/06/06/us/ajike-aj-owens-florida-shot-what-we-know/index.html
https://news.sky.com/story/ralph-yarl-84-year-old-white-man-andrew-lester-pleads-not-guilty-to-shooting-black-teen-who-knocked-on-wrong-door-12861323
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/apr/19/why-are-americans-being-shot-for-knocking-on-the-wrong-door
1. What combination of race / sex commits the highest level of violent crimes as compared to its percentage of the population
2. What combination of race / sex commits the highest number of hate crimes as compared to its percentage of the population
I know you can't answer, but your dumb****ery is amusing.
Correct. You're more likely to be violently attacked by a black man than any other type of person, so take appropriate precaustions. Maybe you're not as stupid as you seem.
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perhaps, but you tugged the taffy as hard as anyone else.cms186 said:I was just being pedantic, but i didnt bring race into this argumentwhiterock said:they may be venomous in the textbooks, but here on the farm they have for generations been known as "poisonous."Wangchung said:His point was that no snakes are poisonous, but many are venomous.whiterock said:no, it's a perfect comparison. SOME snakes are poisonous. Most are not. Same with people.cms186 said:No Snakes are Poisonous and your comparison is false because Snakes are a completely different species, I gain no benefit from interacting with a snake. My reaction, should i see one (which i dont, because Snakes are fortunately rare in the UK) I would turn the other direction and walk away, not shoot it.whiterock said:So when you see a snake, your first reaction is always completely deliberate and objective and the adrenaline only kicks in when you see that it's poisonous?cms186 said:sure, if i were a betting man i might be more inclined to back the odds on favourite, i wouldnt be more inclined to kill someone purely based on their race though, sorry if that makes me "woke"whiterock said:So you never let the odds impact the decisions in your life?cms186 said:We all know the answer will be Black Male, im not sure what you hope to gain from this pointless endeavour, unless you think that because Black Men are statistically more likely to commit Violent crimes, that gives you the right to view all Black Men with suspicion and shoot them if they happen to come to your door?Harrison Bergeron said:This is a request for facts and data, so we know you will not respond, but I'm going to ask anyway just to give you another chance to demonstrate what a clueless dumb**** you are.cms186 said:
Im afraid not:
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/06/06/us/ajike-aj-owens-florida-shot-what-we-know/index.html
https://news.sky.com/story/ralph-yarl-84-year-old-white-man-andrew-lester-pleads-not-guilty-to-shooting-black-teen-who-knocked-on-wrong-door-12861323
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/apr/19/why-are-americans-being-shot-for-knocking-on-the-wrong-door
1. What combination of race / sex commits the highest level of violent crimes as compared to its percentage of the population
2. What combination of race / sex commits the highest number of hate crimes as compared to its percentage of the population
I know you can't answer, but your dumb****ery is amusing.
If a Black person (or indeed, any person) comes to my house, unless they are being openly hostile and violent, my first reaction is to greet them at my door and ask how I can help them.
The difference here is that you establish yourself as perfectly capable of making that determination correctly every time, yet blame racism when others don't.
Guess it's a southern thing a Brit wouldn't understand.
about what?Harrison Bergeron said:Do you think REVERED Jesse Jackson was wrong and racist?cms186 said:Precautions such as what? Seeing a Black Guy in the street and thinking hes a criminal, just because Black people commit a higher number of Violent Crimes compared to their % of the population is racist, in the same way as thinking every Muslim is a terrorist is Islamophobic. If you want to live like that, feel free, but its not a Christian way to live.Harrison Bergeron said:Look who took at statistics class.cms186 said:We all know the answer will be Black Male, im not sure what you hope to gain from this pointless endeavour, unless you think that because Black Men are statistically more likely to commit Violent crimes, that gives you the right to view all Black Men with suspicion and shoot them if they happen to come to your door?Harrison Bergeron said:This is a request for facts and data, so we know you will not respond, but I'm going to ask anyway just to give you another chance to demonstrate what a clueless dumb**** you are.cms186 said:
Im afraid not:
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/06/06/us/ajike-aj-owens-florida-shot-what-we-know/index.html
https://news.sky.com/story/ralph-yarl-84-year-old-white-man-andrew-lester-pleads-not-guilty-to-shooting-black-teen-who-knocked-on-wrong-door-12861323
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/apr/19/why-are-americans-being-shot-for-knocking-on-the-wrong-door
1. What combination of race / sex commits the highest level of violent crimes as compared to its percentage of the population
2. What combination of race / sex commits the highest number of hate crimes as compared to its percentage of the population
I know you can't answer, but your dumb****ery is amusing.
Correct. You're more likely to be violently attacked by a black man than any other type of person, so take appropriate precaustions. Maybe you're not as stupid as you seem.
I'm the English Guy
RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:If you are an individual that threatens someone else's life, you should fully expect that you might very possibly lose your life. Plain and simple. This also applies to the mentally unstable. Treat people respectfully and obey the law, chances are you will be just fine. Civilization 101.cms186 said:That's where you are wrong, but surely there's at least one level between "not having a problem" with someone doing something and being fine with that guy being gunned down in the street?RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:For a guy that hates guns, you sure seem to have no trouble with someone threatening a citizen with an AR-15.cms186 said:
For a group of people claiming to be Pro-Life, you sure seem to approve of people being killed for the slightest thing, Neely, ok, he might have deserved to have been in Jail for previous crimes, but i thought you guys believed in freedom of speech? surely you shouldnt get to kill someone and walk away Scott free just because the person you killed was mouthing off on a subway?
Neely was arrested 42 times. He should not have been on the streets. He is now in a better place. Not here. Everybody wins. Citizens are safer and I'm sure Neely's family will win the Ghetto Lotto!
Can we not say yeah, these 2 people shouldn't have been doing what they were doing, but maybe they didn't deserve to be executed for doing it?
The criminal justice system should not be the gateway to mental health care. Civilization 101 ought to have sorted that man out before he died like that.
“Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.” (The Law, p.6) Frederic Bastiat
No argument from me. In a perfect world, I agree with you. Unfortunately, committing crimes is often what exposes the mental illness to authorities. In most cases, the criminals are put back on the street instead of being sent for a mental health evaluation. Not sure why after about his 12th arrest, someone didn't see a red flag that there might be a problem. The system is broken. The "it's not my job" mentality is alive and well.quash said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:If you are an individual that threatens someone else's life, you should fully expect that you might very possibly lose your life. Plain and simple. This also applies to the mentally unstable. Treat people respectfully and obey the law, chances are you will be just fine. Civilization 101.cms186 said:That's where you are wrong, but surely there's at least one level between "not having a problem" with someone doing something and being fine with that guy being gunned down in the street?RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:For a guy that hates guns, you sure seem to have no trouble with someone threatening a citizen with an AR-15.cms186 said:
For a group of people claiming to be Pro-Life, you sure seem to approve of people being killed for the slightest thing, Neely, ok, he might have deserved to have been in Jail for previous crimes, but i thought you guys believed in freedom of speech? surely you shouldnt get to kill someone and walk away Scott free just because the person you killed was mouthing off on a subway?
Neely was arrested 42 times. He should not have been on the streets. He is now in a better place. Not here. Everybody wins. Citizens are safer and I'm sure Neely's family will win the Ghetto Lotto!
Can we not say yeah, these 2 people shouldn't have been doing what they were doing, but maybe they didn't deserve to be executed for doing it?
The criminal justice system should not be the gateway to mental health care. Civilization 101 ought to have sorted that man out before he died like that.
"Stand with anyone when he is right; Stand with him while he is right and part with him when he goes wrong." - Abraham Lincoln
Daniel Penny learned the lesson of the Jake Gardner tragedy, that staying quiet and trusting the legal process doesn't work anymore for defendants like him. You have to make your case to the public. https://t.co/4Q3E1YNGEz
— Helen Andrews (@herandrews) June 14, 2023
BREAKING: A New York Grand jury has indicted U.S. Marine Daniel Penny in connection with the death of Jordan Neely aboard a NYC subway
— ALX 🇺🇸 (@alx) June 14, 2023
This guy did nothing wrong. The media made it out like he choked Neely for a long time, but it happened very quickly.
Daniel Penny is a hero.pic.twitter.com/3EYtithrac
— Michael Knowles (@michaeljknowles) June 12, 2023
Doc Holliday said:BREAKING: A New York Grand jury has indicted U.S. Marine Daniel Penny in connection with the death of Jordan Neely aboard a NYC subway
— ALX 🇺🇸 (@alx) June 14, 2023
This guy did nothing wrong. The media made it out like he choked Neely for a long time, but it happened very quickly.Daniel Penny is a hero.pic.twitter.com/3EYtithrac
— Michael Knowles (@michaeljknowles) June 12, 2023
Hero
Am kinda glad he was indicted and has to go to trial. I was just not up to watching New York City burn down tonight. We will just have to wait for that when he is hopefully found NOT GUILTY at trial.
"Stand with anyone when he is right; Stand with him while he is right and part with him when he goes wrong." - Abraham Lincoln
Quash, you make some of the most sensible posts in this forum.quash said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:If you are an individual that threatens someone else's life, you should fully expect that you might very possibly lose your life. Plain and simple. This also applies to the mentally unstable. Treat people respectfully and obey the law, chances are you will be just fine. Civilization 101.cms186 said:That's where you are wrong, but surely there's at least one level between "not having a problem" with someone doing something and being fine with that guy being gunned down in the street?RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:For a guy that hates guns, you sure seem to have no trouble with someone threatening a citizen with an AR-15.cms186 said:
For a group of people claiming to be Pro-Life, you sure seem to approve of people being killed for the slightest thing, Neely, ok, he might have deserved to have been in Jail for previous crimes, but i thought you guys believed in freedom of speech? surely you shouldnt get to kill someone and walk away Scott free just because the person you killed was mouthing off on a subway?
Neely was arrested 42 times. He should not have been on the streets. He is now in a better place. Not here. Everybody wins. Citizens are safer and I'm sure Neely's family will win the Ghetto Lotto!
Can we not say yeah, these 2 people shouldn't have been doing what they were doing, but maybe they didn't deserve to be executed for doing it?
The criminal justice system should not be the gateway to mental health care. Civilization 101 ought to have sorted that man out before he died like that.
Osodecentx said:Doc Holliday said:BREAKING: A New York Grand jury has indicted U.S. Marine Daniel Penny in connection with the death of Jordan Neely aboard a NYC subway
— ALX 🇺🇸 (@alx) June 14, 2023
This guy did nothing wrong. The media made it out like he choked Neely for a long time, but it happened very quickly.Daniel Penny is a hero.pic.twitter.com/3EYtithrac
— Michael Knowles (@michaeljknowles) June 12, 2023
Hero
This can't be. The media released fresh cut, clean pictures of the victim from 8 years ago which automatically negates any behvior since that time.
Thank you Mayor Adams and all for allowing mentally unstable people to threaten people in a locked tube.
It's a point that resonates with the progressive mind, for sure. But when we take the elevator back down to mainstreet, we are faced with the reality that the reason we have so many Jordan Neelys out on the sidwalks descending ever further into drug addled madness is precisely because of that sentiment. We can draw a straight line to the date when the homeless problem started, to the Carter Admin reforms that basically disgorged the ambulatory mentally ill out onto the streets. That was an effort to deal with a real problem: Is taking someone off the street and into a mental facility and keeping them there against their will not an infringement on their right of liberty? Well, yes, (so let's save a lot of money and close down the govt. mental wards and spend it on "the poor"....the crazies don't vote. The poor do!) Fast forward 40 years, we are now seeing the very social contract we form to protect us from crime being used to create a safe space not for ordinary people to live their lives with a modicum of assurance they can safely walk to work, but for the criminally insane to spiral down into the inferno at whatever rate their bodies can sustain. But at least there is one obvious winner in that darwinian dynamic - the best among us who rarely ever have to dodge the splattering of grey water from the gutters of society. They can dab their lips with linen napkins and know they better people for having cared sufficiently for the humanity of the oppressed.Aliceinbubbleland said:Quash, you make some of the most sensible posts in this forum.quash said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:If you are an individual that threatens someone else's life, you should fully expect that you might very possibly lose your life. Plain and simple. This also applies to the mentally unstable. Treat people respectfully and obey the law, chances are you will be just fine. Civilization 101.cms186 said:That's where you are wrong, but surely there's at least one level between "not having a problem" with someone doing something and being fine with that guy being gunned down in the street?RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:For a guy that hates guns, you sure seem to have no trouble with someone threatening a citizen with an AR-15.cms186 said:
For a group of people claiming to be Pro-Life, you sure seem to approve of people being killed for the slightest thing, Neely, ok, he might have deserved to have been in Jail for previous crimes, but i thought you guys believed in freedom of speech? surely you shouldnt get to kill someone and walk away Scott free just because the person you killed was mouthing off on a subway?
Neely was arrested 42 times. He should not have been on the streets. He is now in a better place. Not here. Everybody wins. Citizens are safer and I'm sure Neely's family will win the Ghetto Lotto!
Can we not say yeah, these 2 people shouldn't have been doing what they were doing, but maybe they didn't deserve to be executed for doing it?
The criminal justice system should not be the gateway to mental health care. Civilization 101 ought to have sorted that man out before he died like that.
Leaving a person on the streets to commit serial crime just because they are crazy is bad for the crazy and the sane. It leaves a tattered wake of victims who pay taxes precisely to prevent being faced with irrational threats to the life and property every day. If we are not going to comb the streets with psychiatric police to scoop up everyone with a mental problem (like, you know, those who eagerly vote for either Trump or Biden), then can we not at least arrest the crazy when they actually do violate criminal statute and divert them off into treatment programs?
I mean, I know that sounds little like (gasp) making the criminal justice system the gateway to mental care, but the alternative in use at the moment is neither criminal justice nor mental care, leaving the crazy to self-destruct at their own rate regardless of the collateral damage to ordinary people who should not have to witness much less role-play in the madness.
So, when you two gods get done with your virtue posturing, how about a little help down here?
The media is gonna be all over....and it's gone!
Eight months pregnant Seattle woman shot execution style by career criminal Cordell Maurice Goosby
— National Conservative (@NatCon2022) June 15, 2023
Elna Kwon, 34, and unborn baby killed. Husband Sung Kwon, 37, shot and wounded
Goosby is a 30 year old Black male with prior felony convictions
whiterock, you make some of the most sensible posts in this forum.whiterock said:It's a point that resonates with the progressive mind, for sure. But when we take the elevator back down to mainstreet, we are faced with the reality that the reason we have so many Jordan Neelys out on the sidwalks descending ever further into drug addled madness is precisely because of that sentiment. We can draw a straight line to the date when the homeless problem started, to the Carter Admin reforms that basically disgorged the ambulatory mentally ill out onto the streets. That was an effort to deal with a real problem: Is taking someone off the street and into a mental facility and keeping them there against their will not an infringement on their right of liberty? Well, yes, (so let's save a lot of money and close down the govt. mental wards and spend it on "the poor"....the crazies don't vote. The poor do!) Fast forward 40 years, we are now seeing the very social contract we form to protect us from crime being used to create a safe space not for ordinary people to live their lives with a modicum of assurance they can safely walk to work, but for the criminally insane to spiral down into the inferno at whatever rate their bodies can sustain. But at least there is one obvious winner in that darwinian dynamic - the best among us who rarely ever have to dodge the splattering of grey water from the gutters of society. They can dab their lips with linen napkins and know they better people for having cared sufficiently for the humanity of the oppressed.Aliceinbubbleland said:Quash, you make some of the most sensible posts in this forum.quash said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:If you are an individual that threatens someone else's life, you should fully expect that you might very possibly lose your life. Plain and simple. This also applies to the mentally unstable. Treat people respectfully and obey the law, chances are you will be just fine. Civilization 101.cms186 said:That's where you are wrong, but surely there's at least one level between "not having a problem" with someone doing something and being fine with that guy being gunned down in the street?RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:For a guy that hates guns, you sure seem to have no trouble with someone threatening a citizen with an AR-15.cms186 said:
For a group of people claiming to be Pro-Life, you sure seem to approve of people being killed for the slightest thing, Neely, ok, he might have deserved to have been in Jail for previous crimes, but i thought you guys believed in freedom of speech? surely you shouldnt get to kill someone and walk away Scott free just because the person you killed was mouthing off on a subway?
Neely was arrested 42 times. He should not have been on the streets. He is now in a better place. Not here. Everybody wins. Citizens are safer and I'm sure Neely's family will win the Ghetto Lotto!
Can we not say yeah, these 2 people shouldn't have been doing what they were doing, but maybe they didn't deserve to be executed for doing it?
The criminal justice system should not be the gateway to mental health care. Civilization 101 ought to have sorted that man out before he died like that.
Leaving a person on the streets to commit serial crime just because they are crazy is bad for the crazy and the sane. It leaves a tattered wake of victims who pay taxes precisely to prevent being faced with irrational threats to the life and property every day. If we are not going to comb the streets with psychiatric police to scoop up everyone with a mental problem (like, you know, those who eagerly vote for either Trump or Biden), then can we not at least arrest the crazy when they actually do violate criminal statute and divert them off into treatment programs?
I mean, I know that sounds little like (gasp) making the criminal justice system the gateway to mental care, but the alternative in use at the moment is neither criminal justice nor mental care, leaving the crazy to self-destruct at their own rate regardless of the collateral damage to ordinary people who should not have to witness much less role-play in the madness.
So, when you two gods get done with your virtue posturing, how about a little help down here?
Our vibrations were getting nasty. But why? I was puzzled, frustrated... Had we deteriorated to the level of dumb beasts?
So what would you suggest? A door to door healthcare worker with a questionnaire to determine who is crazy and who is not? What could possibly go wrong?quash said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:If you are an individual that threatens someone else's life, you should fully expect that you might very possibly lose your life. Plain and simple. This also applies to the mentally unstable. Treat people respectfully and obey the law, chances are you will be just fine. Civilization 101.cms186 said:That's where you are wrong, but surely there's at least one level between "not having a problem" with someone doing something and being fine with that guy being gunned down in the street?RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:For a guy that hates guns, you sure seem to have no trouble with someone threatening a citizen with an AR-15.cms186 said:
For a group of people claiming to be Pro-Life, you sure seem to approve of people being killed for the slightest thing, Neely, ok, he might have deserved to have been in Jail for previous crimes, but i thought you guys believed in freedom of speech? surely you shouldnt get to kill someone and walk away Scott free just because the person you killed was mouthing off on a subway?
Neely was arrested 42 times. He should not have been on the streets. He is now in a better place. Not here. Everybody wins. Citizens are safer and I'm sure Neely's family will win the Ghetto Lotto!
Can we not say yeah, these 2 people shouldn't have been doing what they were doing, but maybe they didn't deserve to be executed for doing it?
The criminal justice system should not be the gateway to mental health care. Civilization 101 ought to have sorted that man out before he died like that.
The criminal justice system had 42 chances and failed 42 times.
"Stand with anyone when he is right; Stand with him while he is right and part with him when he goes wrong." - Abraham Lincoln
If you try to help you’d get arrested https://t.co/MFle4zYfXV
— Klint🇺🇸 (@westwood0311) June 15, 2023
Hmmm....seems like something is off here.
20 year old Jordan Williams surrounded by family
— Linda Schmidt (@LSchmidtFox5) June 15, 2023
He is free without bail after stabbing man & killing him on J train Tuesday in Brooklyn.
He says the man was yelling & threatening riders & hit Williams and his girlfriend. #subway #Brooklyn pic.twitter.com/b0AKyDNApn
whiterock said:It's a point that resonates with the progressive mind, for sure. But when we take the elevator back down to mainstreet, we are faced with the reality that the reason we have so many Jordan Neelys out on the sidwalks descending ever further into drug addled madness is precisely because of that sentiment. We can draw a straight line to the date when the homeless problem started, to the Carter Admin reforms that basically disgorged the ambulatory mentally ill out onto the streets. That was an effort to deal with a real problem: Is taking someone off the street and into a mental facility and keeping them there against their will not an infringement on their right of liberty? Well, yes, (so let's save a lot of money and close down the govt. mental wards and spend it on "the poor"....the crazies don't vote. The poor do!) Fast forward 40 years, we are now seeing the very social contract we form to protect us from crime being used to create a safe space not for ordinary people to live their lives with a modicum of assurance they can safely walk to work, but for the criminally insane to spiral down into the inferno at whatever rate their bodies can sustain. But at least there is one obvious winner in that darwinian dynamic - the best among us who rarely ever have to dodge the splattering of grey water from the gutters of society. They can dab their lips with linen napkins and know they better people for having cared sufficiently for the humanity of the oppressed.Aliceinbubbleland said:Quash, you make some of the most sensible posts in this forum.quash said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:If you are an individual that threatens someone else's life, you should fully expect that you might very possibly lose your life. Plain and simple. This also applies to the mentally unstable. Treat people respectfully and obey the law, chances are you will be just fine. Civilization 101.cms186 said:That's where you are wrong, but surely there's at least one level between "not having a problem" with someone doing something and being fine with that guy being gunned down in the street?RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:For a guy that hates guns, you sure seem to have no trouble with someone threatening a citizen with an AR-15.cms186 said:
For a group of people claiming to be Pro-Life, you sure seem to approve of people being killed for the slightest thing, Neely, ok, he might have deserved to have been in Jail for previous crimes, but i thought you guys believed in freedom of speech? surely you shouldnt get to kill someone and walk away Scott free just because the person you killed was mouthing off on a subway?
Neely was arrested 42 times. He should not have been on the streets. He is now in a better place. Not here. Everybody wins. Citizens are safer and I'm sure Neely's family will win the Ghetto Lotto!
Can we not say yeah, these 2 people shouldn't have been doing what they were doing, but maybe they didn't deserve to be executed for doing it?
The criminal justice system should not be the gateway to mental health care. Civilization 101 ought to have sorted that man out before he died like that.
Leaving a person on the streets to commit serial crime just because they are crazy is bad for the crazy and the sane. It leaves a tattered wake of victims who pay taxes precisely to prevent being faced with irrational threats to the life and property every day. If we are not going to comb the streets with psychiatric police to scoop up everyone with a mental problem (like, you know, those who eagerly vote for either Trump or Biden), then can we not at least arrest the crazy when they actually do violate criminal statute and divert them off into treatment programs?
I mean, I know that sounds little like (gasp) making the criminal justice system the gateway to mental care, but the alternative in use at the moment is neither criminal justice nor mental care, leaving the crazy to self-destruct at their own rate regardless of the collateral damage to ordinary people who should not have to witness much less role-play in the madness.
So, when you two gods get done with your virtue posturing, how about a little help down here?
Bull*****
I am quite familiar with Main Street. I have prosecuted, and chosen when not to prosecute, people who were arrested during a psychotic break. I have participated in forced medication hearings.
Two things you don't get right while dabbing your linen.
First, mental illness is a disease. Not every criminal is mentally ill but some are. Using drugs is not always a sign of mental illness but it can be part of self medication.
Second, we need far more resources directed at the problem of mental illness BEFORE arrest. And, as Tony Timpa's family will tell you, a little more directed to the time LEO shows up. My county sent mentally ill defendants to Austin State Hospital. Some of the forced medication hearings were to get the defendant on a stable glide path so that ASH could do the most good in the shortest time. Unfortunately, the backlog at ASH was such that many defendants would time out: they would have back time sufficient for their charges before an opening at ASH.
So yes, people, even mentally ill ones, are given their constitutionally protected rights and put back on the streets with their illness intact. If you encounter one I hope you find a better way to deal with them (these ways exist) than to kill them.
“Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.” (The Law, p.6) Frederic Bastiat
cms186 said:Precautions such as what? Seeing a Black Guy in the street and thinking hes a criminal, just because Black people commit a higher number of Violent Crimes compared to their % of the population is racist, in the same way as thinking every Muslim is a terrorist is Islamophobic. If you want to live like that, feel free, but its not a Christian way to live.Harrison Bergeron said:Look who took at statistics class.cms186 said:We all know the answer will be Black Male, im not sure what you hope to gain from this pointless endeavour, unless you think that because Black Men are statistically more likely to commit Violent crimes, that gives you the right to view all Black Men with suspicion and shoot them if they happen to come to your door?Harrison Bergeron said:This is a request for facts and data, so we know you will not respond, but I'm going to ask anyway just to give you another chance to demonstrate what a clueless dumb**** you are.cms186 said:
Im afraid not:
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/06/06/us/ajike-aj-owens-florida-shot-what-we-know/index.html
https://news.sky.com/story/ralph-yarl-84-year-old-white-man-andrew-lester-pleads-not-guilty-to-shooting-black-teen-who-knocked-on-wrong-door-12861323
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/apr/19/why-are-americans-being-shot-for-knocking-on-the-wrong-door
1. What combination of race / sex commits the highest level of violent crimes as compared to its percentage of the population
2. What combination of race / sex commits the highest number of hate crimes as compared to its percentage of the population
I know you can't answer, but your dumb****ery is amusing.
Correct. You're more likely to be violently attacked by a black man than any other type of person, so take appropriate precaustions. Maybe you're not as stupid as you seem.
just following the REVERED Jesse Jackson's advice.
Genuinely i absolute judge people and risk usually on total appearance not race uniquely, but data is data - black men commit exponentially more hate crimes than anyone else.
.Jack Bauer said:
Hmmm....seems like something is off here.20 year old Jordan Williams surrounded by family
— Linda Schmidt (@LSchmidtFox5) June 15, 2023
He is free without bail after stabbing man & killing him on J train Tuesday in Brooklyn.
He says the man was yelling & threatening riders & hit Williams and his girlfriend. #subway #Brooklyn pic.twitter.com/b0AKyDNApn
100% he will not be prosecuted. We have another tier in the justice system.
Harrison Bergeron said:.Jack Bauer said:
Hmmm....seems like something is off here.20 year old Jordan Williams surrounded by family
— Linda Schmidt (@LSchmidtFox5) June 15, 2023
He is free without bail after stabbing man & killing him on J train Tuesday in Brooklyn.
He says the man was yelling & threatening riders & hit Williams and his girlfriend. #subway #Brooklyn pic.twitter.com/b0AKyDNApn
100% he will not be prosecuted. We have another tier in the justice system.
The tier where the white guy didn't get immediately arrested, whereas the black did get arrested and still faces prosecution?
Good catch, I did notsee that.
“Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.” (The Law, p.6) Frederic Bastiat
Prisons should not be warehouses for the mentally ill. Some of them certainly need to be in prison, but for the most part we should have treatment alternatives to divert those who could benefit out of the prison system.
Jack Bauer said:
Hmmm....seems like something is off here.20 year old Jordan Williams surrounded by family
— Linda Schmidt (@LSchmidtFox5) June 15, 2023
He is free without bail after stabbing man & killing him on J train Tuesday in Brooklyn.
He says the man was yelling & threatening riders & hit Williams and his girlfriend. #subway #Brooklyn pic.twitter.com/b0AKyDNApn
This is supposedly what happened:
Ouedraogo, of Bedford-Stuyvesant, approached Williams' girlfriend and asked, "Want to fk?" Ingle said.
Williams told the man to get away from them, but Ouedraogo kept harassing his girlfriend. So Williams pushed him away and told him not to come closer.
During the clash, Ouedraogo also punched Williams' girlfriend in the face, according to Goldman and police sources.
"The deceased took one step to the defendant, and punched the defendant one or two times," Ingle said. "He removed a folding knife and stabbed the deceased in the chest. The deceased got off the train at Marcy Ave and collapsed on the platform."
If that's actually what happened, I don't know that I'd prosecute Williams - the guy punched his girlfriend and then punched him, can't say I'd fault Williams too much for stabbing him.
quash said:Harrison Bergeron said:.Jack Bauer said:
Hmmm....seems like something is off here.20 year old Jordan Williams surrounded by family
— Linda Schmidt (@LSchmidtFox5) June 15, 2023
He is free without bail after stabbing man & killing him on J train Tuesday in Brooklyn.
He says the man was yelling & threatening riders & hit Williams and his girlfriend. #subway #Brooklyn pic.twitter.com/b0AKyDNApn
100% he will not be prosecuted. We have another tier in the justice system.
The tier where the white guy didn't get immediately arrested, whereas the black did get arrested and still faces prosecution?
Good catch, I did notsee that.
You're still the moron that claimed the Texas governor would ban TikTok, and yet it still abides ... so apologies if i just laugh are your stupidity. But please tell us how the Russia Hoax is real.
quash said:whiterock said:It's a point that resonates with the progressive mind, for sure. But when we take the elevator back down to mainstreet, we are faced with the reality that the reason we have so many Jordan Neelys out on the sidwalks descending ever further into drug addled madness is precisely because of that sentiment. We can draw a straight line to the date when the homeless problem started, to the Carter Admin reforms that basically disgorged the ambulatory mentally ill out onto the streets. That was an effort to deal with a real problem: Is taking someone off the street and into a mental facility and keeping them there against their will not an infringement on their right of liberty? Well, yes, (so let's save a lot of money and close down the govt. mental wards and spend it on "the poor"....the crazies don't vote. The poor do!) Fast forward 40 years, we are now seeing the very social contract we form to protect us from crime being used to create a safe space not for ordinary people to live their lives with a modicum of assurance they can safely walk to work, but for the criminally insane to spiral down into the inferno at whatever rate their bodies can sustain. But at least there is one obvious winner in that darwinian dynamic - the best among us who rarely ever have to dodge the splattering of grey water from the gutters of society. They can dab their lips with linen napkins and know they better people for having cared sufficiently for the humanity of the oppressed.Aliceinbubbleland said:Quash, you make some of the most sensible posts in this forum.quash said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:If you are an individual that threatens someone else's life, you should fully expect that you might very possibly lose your life. Plain and simple. This also applies to the mentally unstable. Treat people respectfully and obey the law, chances are you will be just fine. Civilization 101.cms186 said:That's where you are wrong, but surely there's at least one level between "not having a problem" with someone doing something and being fine with that guy being gunned down in the street?RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:For a guy that hates guns, you sure seem to have no trouble with someone threatening a citizen with an AR-15.cms186 said:
For a group of people claiming to be Pro-Life, you sure seem to approve of people being killed for the slightest thing, Neely, ok, he might have deserved to have been in Jail for previous crimes, but i thought you guys believed in freedom of speech? surely you shouldnt get to kill someone and walk away Scott free just because the person you killed was mouthing off on a subway?
Neely was arrested 42 times. He should not have been on the streets. He is now in a better place. Not here. Everybody wins. Citizens are safer and I'm sure Neely's family will win the Ghetto Lotto!
Can we not say yeah, these 2 people shouldn't have been doing what they were doing, but maybe they didn't deserve to be executed for doing it?
The criminal justice system should not be the gateway to mental health care. Civilization 101 ought to have sorted that man out before he died like that.
Leaving a person on the streets to commit serial crime just because they are crazy is bad for the crazy and the sane. It leaves a tattered wake of victims who pay taxes precisely to prevent being faced with irrational threats to the life and property every day. If we are not going to comb the streets with psychiatric police to scoop up everyone with a mental problem (like, you know, those who eagerly vote for either Trump or Biden), then can we not at least arrest the crazy when they actually do violate criminal statute and divert them off into treatment programs?
I mean, I know that sounds little like (gasp) making the criminal justice system the gateway to mental care, but the alternative in use at the moment is neither criminal justice nor mental care, leaving the crazy to self-destruct at their own rate regardless of the collateral damage to ordinary people who should not have to witness much less role-play in the madness.
So, when you two gods get done with your virtue posturing, how about a little help down here?
Bull*****
I am quite familiar with Main Street. I have prosecuted, and chosen when not to prosecute, people who were arrested during a psychotic break. I have participated in forced medication hearings.
Two things you don't get right while dabbing your linen.
First, mental illness is a disease. Not every criminal is mentally ill but some are. Using drugs is not always a sign of mental illness but it can be part of self medication.
Second, we need far more resources directed at the problem of mental illness BEFORE arrest. And, as Tony Timpa's family will tell you, a little more directed to the time LEO shows up. My county sent mentally ill defendants to Austin State Hospital. Some of the forced medication hearings were to get the defendant on a stable glide path so that ASH could do the most good in the shortest time. Unfortunately, the backlog at ASH was such that many defendants would time out: they would have back time sufficient for their charges before an opening at ASH.
So yes, people, even mentally ill ones, are given their constitutionally protected rights and put back on the streets with their illness intact. If you encounter one I hope you find a better way to deal with them (these ways exist) than to kill them.
We appropriate public monies for police and courts and jails precisely for the purpose of removing habitual criminals from society in order to protect lives & property of law-abiding people. The left preens itself on the notion that somehow the ordinary citizen has to endure a Jordan Neely as punishment for not providing the level of mental health funding the left deems appropriate. And then, when a Danny Penny and a rail car full of ordinary people are confronted with a dilemma our morally superior prosecutors purposely refused to deal with, the left tries to turn HIM into a social evil - the oppressor - the moment things do not go as planned.
At some point, the law-abiding public is going to roll that linen napkin up, stick it in a jar of vaseline, and serve it to you on fine china.
JXL said:
Prisons should not be warehouses for the mentally ill. Some of them certainly need to be in prison, but for the most part we should have treatment alternatives to divert those who could benefit out of the prison system.
Yes.
Texas has $30 billion surplus but we can't provide sufficient mental health services in the prison/jail system. Heck, we can't even afford air conditioning.
“Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.” (The Law, p.6) Frederic Bastiat
Prison should be punishment, not a four star resort. If you like A/C, obey the law. Stay out of prison.quash said:JXL said:
Prisons should not be warehouses for the mentally ill. Some of them certainly need to be in prison, but for the most part we should have treatment alternatives to divert those who could benefit out of the prison system.
Yes.
Heck, we can't even afford air conditioning.
"Stand with anyone when he is right; Stand with him while he is right and part with him when he goes wrong." - Abraham Lincoln
Has Abbott banned TikTok yet? In other news, the racist, two-tiered justice system continues.quash said:Harrison Bergeron said:.Jack Bauer said:
Hmmm....seems like something is off here.20 year old Jordan Williams surrounded by family
— Linda Schmidt (@LSchmidtFox5) June 15, 2023
He is free without bail after stabbing man & killing him on J train Tuesday in Brooklyn.
He says the man was yelling & threatening riders & hit Williams and his girlfriend. #subway #Brooklyn pic.twitter.com/b0AKyDNApn
100% he will not be prosecuted. We have another tier in the justice system.
The tier where the white guy didn't get immediately arrested, whereas the black did get arrested and still faces prosecution?
Good catch, I did notsee that.
"WILLIAMSBURG, Brooklyn (WABC) -- Charges have been dismissed against Jordan Williams, who was charged with fatally stabbing a 36-year-old homeless man on the subway."
We're all going to pay the price of this ...
RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Prison should be punishment, not a four star resort. If you like A/C, obey the law. Stay out of prison.quash said:JXL said:
Prisons should not be warehouses for the mentally ill. Some of them certainly need to be in prison, but for the most part we should have treatment alternatives to divert those who could benefit out of the prison system.
Yes.
Heck, we can't even afford air conditioning.
You know there are state employees working at the resort, right?
“Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.” (The Law, p.6) Frederic Bastiat
If state employees don't like the working conditions at the resort, then perhaps they should find another job.quash said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Prison should be punishment, not a four star resort. If you like A/C, obey the law. Stay out of prison.quash said:JXL said:
Prisons should not be warehouses for the mentally ill. Some of them certainly need to be in prison, but for the most part we should have treatment alternatives to divert those who could benefit out of the prison system.
Yes.
Heck, we can't even afford air conditioning.
You know there are state employees working at the resort, right?
"Stand with anyone when he is right; Stand with him while he is right and part with him when he goes wrong." - Abraham Lincoln
RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:If state employees don't like the working conditions at the resort, then perhaps they should find another job.quash said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Prison should be punishment, not a four star resort. If you like A/C, obey the law. Stay out of prison.quash said:JXL said:
Prisons should not be warehouses for the mentally ill. Some of them certainly need to be in prison, but for the most part we should have treatment alternatives to divert those who could benefit out of the prison system.
Yes.
Heck, we can't even afford air conditioning.
You know there are state employees working at the resort, right?
They do. Retention is a problem. Attitudes like yours are why.
“Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.” (The Law, p.6) Frederic Bastiat
If you don't like your lot in life, change it. Don't wait for destiny. Make your own destiny.quash said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:If state employees don't like the working conditions at the resort, then perhaps they should find another job.quash said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Prison should be punishment, not a four star resort. If you like A/C, obey the law. Stay out of prison.quash said:JXL said:
Prisons should not be warehouses for the mentally ill. Some of them certainly need to be in prison, but for the most part we should have treatment alternatives to divert those who could benefit out of the prison system.
Yes.
Heck, we can't even afford air conditioning.
You know there are state employees working at the resort, right?
They do. Retention is a problem. Attitudes like yours are why.
God Bless America.
"Stand with anyone when he is right; Stand with him while he is right and part with him when he goes wrong." - Abraham Lincoln
RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:If you don't like your lot in life, change it. Don't wait for destiny. Make your own destiny.quash said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:If state employees don't like the working conditions at the resort, then perhaps they should find another job.quash said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Prison should be punishment, not a four star resort. If you like A/C, obey the law. Stay out of prison.quash said:JXL said:
Prisons should not be warehouses for the mentally ill. Some of them certainly need to be in prison, but for the most part we should have treatment alternatives to divert those who could benefit out of the prison system.
Yes.
Heck, we can't even afford air conditioning.
You know there are state employees working at the resort, right?
They do. Retention is a problem. Attitudes like yours are why.
God Bless America.
You wrote words.
“Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.” (The Law, p.6) Frederic Bastiat