Ghostrider said:

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I was never a huge fan of Tucker. His act of always looking mad and angry is annoying.

With that said, that is a huge loss for Fox and their ratings will take a beating. Tucker will land in a better gig where he can control the production. Probably do what Megan Kelly is doing.

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Could be, but I think they'll be fine. They'll just replace and it will me next person up.

It would be a hoot if they replaced Tucker with Candace Owens, if the libs hated Tucker, they'll really hate Candace.

Rawhide said:

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Jack Bauer said:

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If we just let Chuck Schumer and Hakeem Jeffries decide what to say, then everything will be ok.

Here's Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer on CNN explaining why he thinks Washington, D.C. can and should dictate to Fox News and Tucker Carlson what they can and cannot say:

"We not only have a right to tell Rupert Murdoch and Fox what to do, but an obligation." pic.twitter.com/FvipIN9Yib

— Charlie Kirk (@charliekirk11) April 24, 2023

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Liberals hate freedom of speech

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Always have.


Why do you think every company, university, and government agency now has DEI political officers controlling and monitoring whatever one says and thinks....

ATL Bear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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whiterock said:

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TenBears said:

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Both of them are half wit, histrionic, douchbag trolls. Today was a big win for journalism in general.

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Very bad take. He speaks for a majority of Americans. Herewith, the best 6 minutes you will spend this month. Hilarious, and absolutely spot on.

Tucker Carlson’s speech over the weekend was powerful. Too powerful apparently. pic.twitter.com/sxncP26Tda

— TexasLindsay™ (@TexasLindsay_) April 24, 2023

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Rod Dreher on Tucker being gone:

[So, Tucker Carlson is out. We don't yet know the reason, or reasons, why, though there has been speculation. Some say it has to do with ugly things he said in private about Fox executives, but I doubt that's true. You can tolerate a lot of that kind of thing from your top network star. More plausible are the reports that this has to do with the lawsuit a former Carlson producer filed against the network, alleging sexism and other bad behavior (though not actual sex). These are at this point nothing but allegations; Fox has denied them. But Fox has been through this kind of thing before, with Bill O'Reilly and Roger Ailes who, unlike Carlson, actually sexually harassed women so maybe Rupert Murdoch had no stomach for any sort of replay....


I could be wrong about this, but to my knowledge, now that Tucker is gone, there is nobody not a single host on any cable or broadcast network who is unsympathetic to continuing the US proxy war on Russia in Ukraine. Not one. We have no real antiwar Left, and barely an antiwar Right. This, after the lies that got us into Iraq and kept us in Afghanistan. This, after the deceit revealed by the Teixeira leaks. The Cathedral is all in for this war. It just rid itself of its most powerful and lone major media critic.
Seriously, think about that: it's as if everything that we learned about the US Government, its wars, and the trustworthiness of the leadership class, over the past twenty years has been swept under a rug. Forgotten. Here is a relevant passage from Live Not By Lies:

Quote:

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"Not to know what happened before you were born is to remain a child forever," said Cicero. This, explains Kundera, is why communists placed such emphasis on conquering the minds and hearts of young people. In his novel The Book of Laughter and Forgetting, Kundera recalls a speech that Czech president Gustv Husk gave to a group of Young Pioneers, urging them to keep pressing forward to the Marxist paradise of peace, justice, and equality.

"Children, never look back!," [cries Kundera's character Husak], and what he meant was that we must never allow the future to collapse under the burden of memory.

A collective loss of historical memory not just memory of communism but memory of our shared cultural past within the West is bound to have a devastating effect on our future. It's not that forgetting the evils of communism means we are in danger of re-creating precisely that form of totalitarianism. It's that the act of forgetting itself makes us vulnerable to totalitarianism in general.
Put another way, we not only have to remember totalitarianism to build a resistance to it; we have to remember how to remember, period.

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Children, never look back! Forget about that trans person who murdered those Christians. Forget about the lies your government told you about Iraq and Afghanistan, and is telling you about Ukraine. Pay no attention to the fact that the political campaign of the man who is now the US president asked a former top CIA official to orchestrate some effort to make a story that was true but potentially hurtful to the cause of making Donald Trump go away and the retired spook did so, corralling fifty of his former colleagues from the senior ranks of the US intelligence establishment.

If you remember those things, the fabulous trans-imperial globalist security-state future they have planned for us might not happen. You might not have the opportunity to eat bugs. Your children might miss out on the chance to discover their true gender in elementary school, and to be raised by the state when Child Protective Services seizes them from you. Your daughter might be denied the opportunity to go into combat to queer the Donbass, and to gain enlightenment by seeing the Girl Todgers Of Progress on the transgendered "women" soldiers in the shower. Think of what you're missing! Tucker Carlson is no saint, but he is was at least someone who raised these issues substantively on his national show. That's over now. He won't be interfering with the future any longer, children. Nobody on TV will. If only he hadn't changed President Trump's mind in 2019, we might have had our jolly war with Iran. Don't worry, that's over now. Lock and load.]

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Tearing down, undermining, and rewriting history is certainly not a recent trend. Where I get lost is how this entire thing ties into the war in Ukraine. It's like a hodge podge guilt by association effort. One can believe the trans movement is horrifically destructive, that Iraq was a mistake, Afghan nation building was a blunder, intelligence and law enforcement are being frighteningly abused, that wokism is an existential threat, but still believe material support of Ukraine is a worthy cause. I mean totalitarianism takes many forms, and the leftist efforts in this nation is one brand, but so is the type that would militarily conquer a nation in order to take its land and enforce its own rule. History would show the latter to be the most prominent instrument of it.

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When the same people are still telling the same lies, it's not guilt by association. It's just plain guilt.

On the other hand, there are many reasons for war that have nothing to do with totalitarianism. Assuming all conquerors are totalitarian would be an example of guilt by association.

Redbrickbear said:

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Rawhide said:

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Jack Bauer said:

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If we just let Chuck Schumer and Hakeem Jeffries decide what to say, then everything will be ok.

Here's Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer on CNN explaining why he thinks Washington, D.C. can and should dictate to Fox News and Tucker Carlson what they can and cannot say:

"We not only have a right to tell Rupert Murdoch and Fox what to do, but an obligation." pic.twitter.com/FvipIN9Yib

— Charlie Kirk (@charliekirk11) April 24, 2023

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Liberals hate freedom of speech

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Always have.


Why do you think every company, university, and government agency now has DEI political officers controlling and monitoring whatever one says and thinks....

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Yep....

Democrats want to:

regulate words
compel speech
defund local law enforcement
deny state's rights
disarm the American people
pack SCOTUS
imprison political opponents
censor opposing views
abolish parent's rights
claim ownership of our children
exile God
kill Christians
force experimental vaccinations
change history
lie about science
indoctrinate our kids

Today's Democrats are the new and improved Nazi, it's fascism 2.0 for the 21st century

Redbrickbear said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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whiterock said:

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TenBears said:

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Both of them are half wit, histrionic, douchbag trolls. Today was a big win for journalism in general.

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Very bad take. He speaks for a majority of Americans. Herewith, the best 6 minutes you will spend this month. Hilarious, and absolutely spot on.

Tucker Carlson’s speech over the weekend was powerful. Too powerful apparently. pic.twitter.com/sxncP26Tda

— TexasLindsay™ (@TexasLindsay_) April 24, 2023

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Rod Dreher on Tucker being gone:

[So, Tucker Carlson is out. We don't yet know the reason, or reasons, why, though there has been speculation. Some say it has to do with ugly things he said in private about Fox executives, but I doubt that's true. You can tolerate a lot of that kind of thing from your top network star. More plausible are the reports that this has to do with the lawsuit a former Carlson producer filed against the network, alleging sexism and other bad behavior (though not actual sex). These are at this point nothing but allegations; Fox has denied them. But Fox has been through this kind of thing before, with Bill O'Reilly and Roger Ailes who, unlike Carlson, actually sexually harassed women so maybe Rupert Murdoch had no stomach for any sort of replay....


I could be wrong about this, but to my knowledge, now that Tucker is gone, there is nobody not a single host on any cable or broadcast network who is unsympathetic to continuing the US proxy war on Russia in Ukraine. Not one. We have no real antiwar Left, and barely an antiwar Right. This, after the lies that got us into Iraq and kept us in Afghanistan. This, after the deceit revealed by the Teixeira leaks. The Cathedral is all in for this war. It just rid itself of its most powerful and lone major media critic.
Seriously, think about that: it's as if everything that we learned about the US Government, its wars, and the trustworthiness of the leadership class, over the past twenty years has been swept under a rug. Forgotten. Here is a relevant passage from Live Not By Lies:

Quote:

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"Not to know what happened before you were born is to remain a child forever," said Cicero. This, explains Kundera, is why communists placed such emphasis on conquering the minds and hearts of young people. In his novel The Book of Laughter and Forgetting, Kundera recalls a speech that Czech president Gustv Husk gave to a group of Young Pioneers, urging them to keep pressing forward to the Marxist paradise of peace, justice, and equality.

"Children, never look back!," [cries Kundera's character Husak], and what he meant was that we must never allow the future to collapse under the burden of memory.

A collective loss of historical memory not just memory of communism but memory of our shared cultural past within the West is bound to have a devastating effect on our future. It's not that forgetting the evils of communism means we are in danger of re-creating precisely that form of totalitarianism. It's that the act of forgetting itself makes us vulnerable to totalitarianism in general.
Put another way, we not only have to remember totalitarianism to build a resistance to it; we have to remember how to remember, period.

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Children, never look back! Forget about that trans person who murdered those Christians. Forget about the lies your government told you about Iraq and Afghanistan, and is telling you about Ukraine. Pay no attention to the fact that the political campaign of the man who is now the US president asked a former top CIA official to orchestrate some effort to make a story that was true but potentially hurtful to the cause of making Donald Trump go away and the retired spook did so, corralling fifty of his former colleagues from the senior ranks of the US intelligence establishment.

If you remember those things, the fabulous trans-imperial globalist security-state future they have planned for us might not happen. You might not have the opportunity to eat bugs. Your children might miss out on the chance to discover their true gender in elementary school, and to be raised by the state when Child Protective Services seizes them from you. Your daughter might be denied the opportunity to go into combat to queer the Donbass, and to gain enlightenment by seeing the Girl Todgers Of Progress on the transgendered "women" soldiers in the shower. Think of what you're missing! Tucker Carlson is no saint, but he is was at least someone who raised these issues substantively on his national show. That's over now. He won't be interfering with the future any longer, children. Nobody on TV will. If only he hadn't changed President Trump's mind in 2019, we might have had our jolly war with Iran. Don't worry, that's over now. Lock and load.]

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Tearing down, undermining, and rewriting history is certainly not a recent trend. Where I get lost is how this entire thing ties into the war in Ukraine. It's like a hodge podge guilt by association effort. One can believe the trans movement is horrifically destructive, that Iraq was a mistake, Afghan nation building was a blunder, intelligence and law enforcement are being frighteningly abused, that wokism is an existential threat, but still believe material support of Ukraine is a worthy cause. I mean totalitarianism takes many forms, and the leftist efforts in this nation is one brand, but so is the type that would militarily conquer a nation in order to take its land and enforce its own rule. History would show the latter to be the most prominent instrument of it.

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If the Liberal-Left is for Trans, LGBTQ+, history destruction-revisionism, Afghan nation building and interventionism in general, woke ideological policing, intelligence agencies abuse (if it means spying on conservatives), etc.

Then you also might want to ponder how that side (Liberalism-Leftism) is also all in on fighting the Ukraine war.

Maybe just maybe....if your enemy is in love with something you should question the narrative you are being sold.

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Sort of like how they're all in against tax cuts for "the wealthy"? Or how actual racist organizations like the Klan are anti-immigration? Sorry, I don't assume a guilt by association. Each issue has its own merits for debate and agreement/disagreement. Besides, most are more nuanced than a black and white for/against.

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Obviously its something to think about.

If you really come to the conclusion that the entire Regime that hates you and is actively working against your material, cultural, political interests....is also right about Ukraine....then fine go a head and support it.

For me it at least gives me serious pause.

Why is our corrupt-Godless-outright evil ruling class and D.C. regime also so interested in a corrupt ex-Soviet satellite state?

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Strategic interest? Stop Russian Aggression? Thwart future Euro Invasion? Undermine the Putin regime? Peace through strength? I can think of a lot of reasons before I get to corruption and Godlessness.

But then I'm pretty certain that the Putin regime hates me and is actively working against mine and your material, cultural, and political interests as well. I know that's a novel idea, but it's there.

BearFan33 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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BearFan33 said:

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Fox news has just called Arizona for Biden in the 2024 election.

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They were right then, it happened, it is a fact.

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I don't think its appropriate on this thread to debate if that call was too early and/or correct. But the sarcastic comment was made to symbolize a lurch to the left made by fox news that continues to this day.

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They lurch away from crazy. Sounds like you need Newsmax and the Blaze

Sam Lowry said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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whiterock said:

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TenBears said:

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Both of them are half wit, histrionic, douchbag trolls. Today was a big win for journalism in general.

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Very bad take. He speaks for a majority of Americans. Herewith, the best 6 minutes you will spend this month. Hilarious, and absolutely spot on.

Tucker Carlson’s speech over the weekend was powerful. Too powerful apparently. pic.twitter.com/sxncP26Tda

— TexasLindsay™ (@TexasLindsay_) April 24, 2023

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Rod Dreher on Tucker being gone:

[So, Tucker Carlson is out. We don't yet know the reason, or reasons, why, though there has been speculation. Some say it has to do with ugly things he said in private about Fox executives, but I doubt that's true. You can tolerate a lot of that kind of thing from your top network star. More plausible are the reports that this has to do with the lawsuit a former Carlson producer filed against the network, alleging sexism and other bad behavior (though not actual sex). These are at this point nothing but allegations; Fox has denied them. But Fox has been through this kind of thing before, with Bill O'Reilly and Roger Ailes who, unlike Carlson, actually sexually harassed women so maybe Rupert Murdoch had no stomach for any sort of replay....


I could be wrong about this, but to my knowledge, now that Tucker is gone, there is nobody not a single host on any cable or broadcast network who is unsympathetic to continuing the US proxy war on Russia in Ukraine. Not one. We have no real antiwar Left, and barely an antiwar Right. This, after the lies that got us into Iraq and kept us in Afghanistan. This, after the deceit revealed by the Teixeira leaks. The Cathedral is all in for this war. It just rid itself of its most powerful and lone major media critic.
Seriously, think about that: it's as if everything that we learned about the US Government, its wars, and the trustworthiness of the leadership class, over the past twenty years has been swept under a rug. Forgotten. Here is a relevant passage from Live Not By Lies:

Quote:

---

"Not to know what happened before you were born is to remain a child forever," said Cicero. This, explains Kundera, is why communists placed such emphasis on conquering the minds and hearts of young people. In his novel The Book of Laughter and Forgetting, Kundera recalls a speech that Czech president Gustv Husk gave to a group of Young Pioneers, urging them to keep pressing forward to the Marxist paradise of peace, justice, and equality.

"Children, never look back!," [cries Kundera's character Husak], and what he meant was that we must never allow the future to collapse under the burden of memory.

A collective loss of historical memory not just memory of communism but memory of our shared cultural past within the West is bound to have a devastating effect on our future. It's not that forgetting the evils of communism means we are in danger of re-creating precisely that form of totalitarianism. It's that the act of forgetting itself makes us vulnerable to totalitarianism in general.
Put another way, we not only have to remember totalitarianism to build a resistance to it; we have to remember how to remember, period.

---

Children, never look back! Forget about that trans person who murdered those Christians. Forget about the lies your government told you about Iraq and Afghanistan, and is telling you about Ukraine. Pay no attention to the fact that the political campaign of the man who is now the US president asked a former top CIA official to orchestrate some effort to make a story that was true but potentially hurtful to the cause of making Donald Trump go away and the retired spook did so, corralling fifty of his former colleagues from the senior ranks of the US intelligence establishment.

If you remember those things, the fabulous trans-imperial globalist security-state future they have planned for us might not happen. You might not have the opportunity to eat bugs. Your children might miss out on the chance to discover their true gender in elementary school, and to be raised by the state when Child Protective Services seizes them from you. Your daughter might be denied the opportunity to go into combat to queer the Donbass, and to gain enlightenment by seeing the Girl Todgers Of Progress on the transgendered "women" soldiers in the shower. Think of what you're missing! Tucker Carlson is no saint, but he is was at least someone who raised these issues substantively on his national show. That's over now. He won't be interfering with the future any longer, children. Nobody on TV will. If only he hadn't changed President Trump's mind in 2019, we might have had our jolly war with Iran. Don't worry, that's over now. Lock and load.]

---

Tearing down, undermining, and rewriting history is certainly not a recent trend. Where I get lost is how this entire thing ties into the war in Ukraine. It's like a hodge podge guilt by association effort. One can believe the trans movement is horrifically destructive, that Iraq was a mistake, Afghan nation building was a blunder, intelligence and law enforcement are being frighteningly abused, that wokism is an existential threat, but still believe material support of Ukraine is a worthy cause. I mean totalitarianism takes many forms, and the leftist efforts in this nation is one brand, but so is the type that would militarily conquer a nation in order to take its land and enforce its own rule. History would show the latter to be the most prominent instrument of it.

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When the same people are still telling the same lies, it's not guilt by association. It's just plain guilt.

On the other hand, there are many reasons for war that have nothing to do with totalitarianism. Assuming all conquerors are totalitarian would be an example of guilt by association.

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Whose lies? The Russians or Ukrainians?

I'm amazed at the mental origami used to justify Putin's invasion.

Rawhide said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Rawhide said:

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Jack Bauer said:

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If we just let Chuck Schumer and Hakeem Jeffries decide what to say, then everything will be ok.

Here's Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer on CNN explaining why he thinks Washington, D.C. can and should dictate to Fox News and Tucker Carlson what they can and cannot say:

"We not only have a right to tell Rupert Murdoch and Fox what to do, but an obligation." pic.twitter.com/FvipIN9Yib

— Charlie Kirk (@charliekirk11) April 24, 2023

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Liberals hate freedom of speech

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Always have.


Why do you think every company, university, and government agency now has DEI political officers controlling and monitoring whatever one says and thinks....

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Yep....

Democrats want to:

regulate words
compel speech
defund local law enforcement
deny state's rights
disarm the American people
pack SCOTUS
imprison political opponents
censor opposing views
abolish parent's rights
claim ownership of our children
exile God
kill Christians
force experimental vaccinations
change history
lie about science
indoctrinate our kids

Today's Democrats are the new and improved Nazi, it's fascism 2.0 for the 21st century

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That seems like Bolshevism mixed with some Maoism to me.

muddybrazos said:

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Rawhide said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Rawhide said:

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Jack Bauer said:

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If we just let Chuck Schumer and Hakeem Jeffries decide what to say, then everything will be ok.

Here's Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer on CNN explaining why he thinks Washington, D.C. can and should dictate to Fox News and Tucker Carlson what they can and cannot say:

"We not only have a right to tell Rupert Murdoch and Fox what to do, but an obligation." pic.twitter.com/FvipIN9Yib

— Charlie Kirk (@charliekirk11) April 24, 2023

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Liberals hate freedom of speech

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Always have.


Why do you think every company, university, and government agency now has DEI political officers controlling and monitoring whatever one says and thinks....

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Yep....

Democrats want to:

regulate words
compel speech
defund local law enforcement
deny state's rights
disarm the American people
pack SCOTUS
imprison political opponents
censor opposing views
abolish parent's rights
claim ownership of our children
exile God
kill Christians
force experimental vaccinations
change history
lie about science
indoctrinate our kids

Today's Democrats are the new and improved Nazi, it's fascism 2.0 for the 21st century

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That seems like Bolshevism mixed with some Maoism to me.

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Someone online described the Left-Liberalism of the modern Western world today as Jacobinism 4.0

You had the original French radicalism (Jacobinism 1.0). Then Bolshevism (Marxist-Leninism), Then Maoism,
Now whatever this new tech-surveillance State-radical equality-sexual revolution loving-agnostic regime-mixed in with thought policing and statue destruction has become...

I guess cultural Maoism or Jacobinism 4.0 is just about as good a label as any.

ATL Bear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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whiterock said:

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TenBears said:

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Both of them are half wit, histrionic, douchbag trolls. Today was a big win for journalism in general.

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Very bad take. He speaks for a majority of Americans. Herewith, the best 6 minutes you will spend this month. Hilarious, and absolutely spot on.

Tucker Carlson’s speech over the weekend was powerful. Too powerful apparently. pic.twitter.com/sxncP26Tda

— TexasLindsay™ (@TexasLindsay_) April 24, 2023

---

Rod Dreher on Tucker being gone:

[So, Tucker Carlson is out. We don't yet know the reason, or reasons, why, though there has been speculation. Some say it has to do with ugly things he said in private about Fox executives, but I doubt that's true. You can tolerate a lot of that kind of thing from your top network star. More plausible are the reports that this has to do with the lawsuit a former Carlson producer filed against the network, alleging sexism and other bad behavior (though not actual sex). These are at this point nothing but allegations; Fox has denied them. But Fox has been through this kind of thing before, with Bill O'Reilly and Roger Ailes who, unlike Carlson, actually sexually harassed women so maybe Rupert Murdoch had no stomach for any sort of replay....


I could be wrong about this, but to my knowledge, now that Tucker is gone, there is nobody not a single host on any cable or broadcast network who is unsympathetic to continuing the US proxy war on Russia in Ukraine. Not one. We have no real antiwar Left, and barely an antiwar Right. This, after the lies that got us into Iraq and kept us in Afghanistan. This, after the deceit revealed by the Teixeira leaks. The Cathedral is all in for this war. It just rid itself of its most powerful and lone major media critic.
Seriously, think about that: it's as if everything that we learned about the US Government, its wars, and the trustworthiness of the leadership class, over the past twenty years has been swept under a rug. Forgotten. Here is a relevant passage from Live Not By Lies:

Quote:

---

"Not to know what happened before you were born is to remain a child forever," said Cicero. This, explains Kundera, is why communists placed such emphasis on conquering the minds and hearts of young people. In his novel The Book of Laughter and Forgetting, Kundera recalls a speech that Czech president Gustv Husk gave to a group of Young Pioneers, urging them to keep pressing forward to the Marxist paradise of peace, justice, and equality.

"Children, never look back!," [cries Kundera's character Husak], and what he meant was that we must never allow the future to collapse under the burden of memory.

A collective loss of historical memory not just memory of communism but memory of our shared cultural past within the West is bound to have a devastating effect on our future. It's not that forgetting the evils of communism means we are in danger of re-creating precisely that form of totalitarianism. It's that the act of forgetting itself makes us vulnerable to totalitarianism in general.
Put another way, we not only have to remember totalitarianism to build a resistance to it; we have to remember how to remember, period.

---

Children, never look back! Forget about that trans person who murdered those Christians. Forget about the lies your government told you about Iraq and Afghanistan, and is telling you about Ukraine. Pay no attention to the fact that the political campaign of the man who is now the US president asked a former top CIA official to orchestrate some effort to make a story that was true but potentially hurtful to the cause of making Donald Trump go away and the retired spook did so, corralling fifty of his former colleagues from the senior ranks of the US intelligence establishment.

If you remember those things, the fabulous trans-imperial globalist security-state future they have planned for us might not happen. You might not have the opportunity to eat bugs. Your children might miss out on the chance to discover their true gender in elementary school, and to be raised by the state when Child Protective Services seizes them from you. Your daughter might be denied the opportunity to go into combat to queer the Donbass, and to gain enlightenment by seeing the Girl Todgers Of Progress on the transgendered "women" soldiers in the shower. Think of what you're missing! Tucker Carlson is no saint, but he is was at least someone who raised these issues substantively on his national show. That's over now. He won't be interfering with the future any longer, children. Nobody on TV will. If only he hadn't changed President Trump's mind in 2019, we might have had our jolly war with Iran. Don't worry, that's over now. Lock and load.]

---

Tearing down, undermining, and rewriting history is certainly not a recent trend. Where I get lost is how this entire thing ties into the war in Ukraine. It's like a hodge podge guilt by association effort. One can believe the trans movement is horrifically destructive, that Iraq was a mistake, Afghan nation building was a blunder, intelligence and law enforcement are being frighteningly abused, that wokism is an existential threat, but still believe material support of Ukraine is a worthy cause. I mean totalitarianism takes many forms, and the leftist efforts in this nation is one brand, but so is the type that would militarily conquer a nation in order to take its land and enforce its own rule. History would show the latter to be the most prominent instrument of it.

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When the same people are still telling the same lies, it's not guilt by association. It's just plain guilt.

On the other hand, there are many reasons for war that have nothing to do with totalitarianism. Assuming all conquerors are totalitarian would be an example of guilt by association.

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Whose lies? The Russians or Ukrainians?

I'm amazed at the mental origami used to justify Putin's invasion.

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I'm amazed by the Boomers on this website who think it's our business to get involved in a war on the far side of the earth because one corrupt Slavic state (that is not our ally) is attacking another corrupt Slavic state (that is also not our ally).

And who think our leaders are telling us the whole truth after lying us into two disastrous wars that went on for 20 years.

Redbrickbear said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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whiterock said:

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TenBears said:

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Both of them are half wit, histrionic, douchbag trolls. Today was a big win for journalism in general.

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Very bad take. He speaks for a majority of Americans. Herewith, the best 6 minutes you will spend this month. Hilarious, and absolutely spot on.

Tucker Carlson’s speech over the weekend was powerful. Too powerful apparently. pic.twitter.com/sxncP26Tda

— TexasLindsay™ (@TexasLindsay_) April 24, 2023

---

Rod Dreher on Tucker being gone:

[So, Tucker Carlson is out. We don't yet know the reason, or reasons, why, though there has been speculation. Some say it has to do with ugly things he said in private about Fox executives, but I doubt that's true. You can tolerate a lot of that kind of thing from your top network star. More plausible are the reports that this has to do with the lawsuit a former Carlson producer filed against the network, alleging sexism and other bad behavior (though not actual sex). These are at this point nothing but allegations; Fox has denied them. But Fox has been through this kind of thing before, with Bill O'Reilly and Roger Ailes who, unlike Carlson, actually sexually harassed women so maybe Rupert Murdoch had no stomach for any sort of replay....


I could be wrong about this, but to my knowledge, now that Tucker is gone, there is nobody not a single host on any cable or broadcast network who is unsympathetic to continuing the US proxy war on Russia in Ukraine. Not one. We have no real antiwar Left, and barely an antiwar Right. This, after the lies that got us into Iraq and kept us in Afghanistan. This, after the deceit revealed by the Teixeira leaks. The Cathedral is all in for this war. It just rid itself of its most powerful and lone major media critic.
Seriously, think about that: it's as if everything that we learned about the US Government, its wars, and the trustworthiness of the leadership class, over the past twenty years has been swept under a rug. Forgotten. Here is a relevant passage from Live Not By Lies:

Quote:

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"Not to know what happened before you were born is to remain a child forever," said Cicero. This, explains Kundera, is why communists placed such emphasis on conquering the minds and hearts of young people. In his novel The Book of Laughter and Forgetting, Kundera recalls a speech that Czech president Gustv Husk gave to a group of Young Pioneers, urging them to keep pressing forward to the Marxist paradise of peace, justice, and equality.

"Children, never look back!," [cries Kundera's character Husak], and what he meant was that we must never allow the future to collapse under the burden of memory.

A collective loss of historical memory not just memory of communism but memory of our shared cultural past within the West is bound to have a devastating effect on our future. It's not that forgetting the evils of communism means we are in danger of re-creating precisely that form of totalitarianism. It's that the act of forgetting itself makes us vulnerable to totalitarianism in general.
Put another way, we not only have to remember totalitarianism to build a resistance to it; we have to remember how to remember, period.

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Children, never look back! Forget about that trans person who murdered those Christians. Forget about the lies your government told you about Iraq and Afghanistan, and is telling you about Ukraine. Pay no attention to the fact that the political campaign of the man who is now the US president asked a former top CIA official to orchestrate some effort to make a story that was true but potentially hurtful to the cause of making Donald Trump go away and the retired spook did so, corralling fifty of his former colleagues from the senior ranks of the US intelligence establishment.

If you remember those things, the fabulous trans-imperial globalist security-state future they have planned for us might not happen. You might not have the opportunity to eat bugs. Your children might miss out on the chance to discover their true gender in elementary school, and to be raised by the state when Child Protective Services seizes them from you. Your daughter might be denied the opportunity to go into combat to queer the Donbass, and to gain enlightenment by seeing the Girl Todgers Of Progress on the transgendered "women" soldiers in the shower. Think of what you're missing! Tucker Carlson is no saint, but he is was at least someone who raised these issues substantively on his national show. That's over now. He won't be interfering with the future any longer, children. Nobody on TV will. If only he hadn't changed President Trump's mind in 2019, we might have had our jolly war with Iran. Don't worry, that's over now. Lock and load.]

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Tearing down, undermining, and rewriting history is certainly not a recent trend. Where I get lost is how this entire thing ties into the war in Ukraine. It's like a hodge podge guilt by association effort. One can believe the trans movement is horrifically destructive, that Iraq was a mistake, Afghan nation building was a blunder, intelligence and law enforcement are being frighteningly abused, that wokism is an existential threat, but still believe material support of Ukraine is a worthy cause. I mean totalitarianism takes many forms, and the leftist efforts in this nation is one brand, but so is the type that would militarily conquer a nation in order to take its land and enforce its own rule. History would show the latter to be the most prominent instrument of it.

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When the same people are still telling the same lies, it's not guilt by association. It's just plain guilt.

On the other hand, there are many reasons for war that have nothing to do with totalitarianism. Assuming all conquerors are totalitarian would be an example of guilt by association.

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Whose lies? The Russians or Ukrainians?

I'm amazed at the mental origami used to justify Putin's invasion.

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I'm amazed by the Boomers on this website who think is our business to get involved in a war on the far side of the earth because one corrupt Slavic state (that is not our ally) is attacking another corrupt Slavic state (that is also not our ally).

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It can only be explained dozens of times. We can't understand it for you.

And Gen Xer here.

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Rawhide said:

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Rawhide said:

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Jack Bauer said:

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If we just let Chuck Schumer and Hakeem Jeffries decide what to say, then everything will be ok.

Here's Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer on CNN explaining why he thinks Washington, D.C. can and should dictate to Fox News and Tucker Carlson what they can and cannot say:

"We not only have a right to tell Rupert Murdoch and Fox what to do, but an obligation." pic.twitter.com/FvipIN9Yib

— Charlie Kirk (@charliekirk11) April 24, 2023

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Liberals hate freedom of speech

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Always have.


Why do you think every company, university, and government agency now has DEI political officers controlling and monitoring whatever one says and thinks....

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Yep....

Democrats want to:

regulate words
compel speech
defund local law enforcement
deny state's rights
disarm the American people
pack SCOTUS
imprison political opponents
censor opposing views
abolish parent's rights
claim ownership of our children
exile God
kill Christians
force experimental vaccinations
change history
lie about science
indoctrinate our kids

Today's Democrats are the new and improved Nazi, it's fascism 2.0 for the 21st century

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That seems like Bolshevism mixed with some Maoism to me.

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Someone online described the Left-Liberalism of the modern Western world today as Jacobinism 4.0

You had the original French radicalism (Jacobinism 1.0). Then Bolshevism (Marxist-Leninism), Then Maoism,
Now whatever this new tech-surveillance State-radical equality-sexual revolution loving-agnostic regime-mixed in with thought policing and statue destruction has become...

I guess cultural Maoism or Jacobinism 4.0 is just about as good a label as any.

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That's an interesting angle, and fitting. The Maoist struggle sessions align with the modern day shaming culture.

Yesterday, the Drudge Report noted, "FOX 'TUCKER' PULLED 2,646,000 VIEWERS IN FINAL AIRINGS. . . . FOX 'O'REILLY' HAD 3,776,000 AT EXIT. . . ."

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Sam Lowry said:

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Both of them are half wit, histrionic, douchbag trolls. Today was a big win for journalism in general.

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Very bad take. He speaks for a majority of Americans. Herewith, the best 6 minutes you will spend this month. Hilarious, and absolutely spot on.

Tucker Carlson’s speech over the weekend was powerful. Too powerful apparently. pic.twitter.com/sxncP26Tda

— TexasLindsay™ (@TexasLindsay_) April 24, 2023

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Rod Dreher on Tucker being gone:

[So, Tucker Carlson is out. We don't yet know the reason, or reasons, why, though there has been speculation. Some say it has to do with ugly things he said in private about Fox executives, but I doubt that's true. You can tolerate a lot of that kind of thing from your top network star. More plausible are the reports that this has to do with the lawsuit a former Carlson producer filed against the network, alleging sexism and other bad behavior (though not actual sex). These are at this point nothing but allegations; Fox has denied them. But Fox has been through this kind of thing before, with Bill O'Reilly and Roger Ailes who, unlike Carlson, actually sexually harassed women so maybe Rupert Murdoch had no stomach for any sort of replay....


I could be wrong about this, but to my knowledge, now that Tucker is gone, there is nobody not a single host on any cable or broadcast network who is unsympathetic to continuing the US proxy war on Russia in Ukraine. Not one. We have no real antiwar Left, and barely an antiwar Right. This, after the lies that got us into Iraq and kept us in Afghanistan. This, after the deceit revealed by the Teixeira leaks. The Cathedral is all in for this war. It just rid itself of its most powerful and lone major media critic.
Seriously, think about that: it's as if everything that we learned about the US Government, its wars, and the trustworthiness of the leadership class, over the past twenty years has been swept under a rug. Forgotten. Here is a relevant passage from Live Not By Lies:

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"Not to know what happened before you were born is to remain a child forever," said Cicero. This, explains Kundera, is why communists placed such emphasis on conquering the minds and hearts of young people. In his novel The Book of Laughter and Forgetting, Kundera recalls a speech that Czech president Gustv Husk gave to a group of Young Pioneers, urging them to keep pressing forward to the Marxist paradise of peace, justice, and equality.

"Children, never look back!," [cries Kundera's character Husak], and what he meant was that we must never allow the future to collapse under the burden of memory.

A collective loss of historical memory not just memory of communism but memory of our shared cultural past within the West is bound to have a devastating effect on our future. It's not that forgetting the evils of communism means we are in danger of re-creating precisely that form of totalitarianism. It's that the act of forgetting itself makes us vulnerable to totalitarianism in general.
Put another way, we not only have to remember totalitarianism to build a resistance to it; we have to remember how to remember, period.

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Children, never look back! Forget about that trans person who murdered those Christians. Forget about the lies your government told you about Iraq and Afghanistan, and is telling you about Ukraine. Pay no attention to the fact that the political campaign of the man who is now the US president asked a former top CIA official to orchestrate some effort to make a story that was true but potentially hurtful to the cause of making Donald Trump go away and the retired spook did so, corralling fifty of his former colleagues from the senior ranks of the US intelligence establishment.

If you remember those things, the fabulous trans-imperial globalist security-state future they have planned for us might not happen. You might not have the opportunity to eat bugs. Your children might miss out on the chance to discover their true gender in elementary school, and to be raised by the state when Child Protective Services seizes them from you. Your daughter might be denied the opportunity to go into combat to queer the Donbass, and to gain enlightenment by seeing the Girl Todgers Of Progress on the transgendered "women" soldiers in the shower. Think of what you're missing! Tucker Carlson is no saint, but he is was at least someone who raised these issues substantively on his national show. That's over now. He won't be interfering with the future any longer, children. Nobody on TV will. If only he hadn't changed President Trump's mind in 2019, we might have had our jolly war with Iran. Don't worry, that's over now. Lock and load.]

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Tearing down, undermining, and rewriting history is certainly not a recent trend. Where I get lost is how this entire thing ties into the war in Ukraine. It's like a hodge podge guilt by association effort. One can believe the trans movement is horrifically destructive, that Iraq was a mistake, Afghan nation building was a blunder, intelligence and law enforcement are being frighteningly abused, that wokism is an existential threat, but still believe material support of Ukraine is a worthy cause. I mean totalitarianism takes many forms, and the leftist efforts in this nation is one brand, but so is the type that would militarily conquer a nation in order to take its land and enforce its own rule. History would show the latter to be the most prominent instrument of it.

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When the same people are still telling the same lies, it's not guilt by association. It's just plain guilt.

On the other hand, there are many reasons for war that have nothing to do with totalitarianism. Assuming all conquerors are totalitarian would be an example of guilt by association.

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Whose lies? The Russians or Ukrainians?

I'm amazed at the mental origami used to justify Putin's invasion.

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Our own government, obviously, and the neoconservative and neoliberal intellects who have laid the theoretical foundations of our policies.

Redbrickbear said:

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Rawhide said:

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Jack Bauer said:

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If we just let Chuck Schumer and Hakeem Jeffries decide what to say, then everything will be ok.

Here's Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer on CNN explaining why he thinks Washington, D.C. can and should dictate to Fox News and Tucker Carlson what they can and cannot say:

"We not only have a right to tell Rupert Murdoch and Fox what to do, but an obligation." pic.twitter.com/FvipIN9Yib

— Charlie Kirk (@charliekirk11) April 24, 2023

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Liberals hate freedom of speech

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Always have.


Why do you think every company, university, and government agency now has DEI political officers controlling and monitoring whatever one says and thinks....

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Yet he has no issue with far left publications dispensing falsehoods, half truths, and fantasy scenarios.

Useless politician.

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Yesterday, the Drudge Report noted, "FOX 'TUCKER' PULLED 2,646,000 VIEWERS IN FINAL AIRINGS. . . . FOX 'O'REILLY' HAD 3,776,000 AT EXIT. . . ."

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Most people didn't know he was getting canned until it was over?

Want to take a guess at what those numbers would be if he was given a week to publicize that it was his final show?

Yeah? Okay?

Why shouldn’t they just keep it up, then?

At some point conservatives genuinely deserve—having invited—all the maltreatment they get. https://t.co/8EIz6GXFND

— ib (@lndian_Bronson) April 25, 2023

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Tucker Carlson Out at Fox News

Fox News' top-performing host Tucker Carlson is leaving the network after appearing in the prime-time slot since November 2016.

"Fox News Media and Tucker Carlson have agreed to part ways. We thank him for his service to the network as a host and prior to that as a contributor," the company wrote

The sudden departure did not leave Carlson time to host a final farewell episode of his wildly successful program Tucker Carlson Tonight. His last episode was broadcast on Friday, April 21, the network said.

An interim show featuring a rotating cast of Fox News personalities will fill the 8 p.m. hour until a new host is named.

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This Right Wing extreme Trumpism is not going to end well for the GOP. They are putting out a lot of rhetoric with very little provable fact to back it up. FOX, the Right Wing Bastion for conservative thought is cutting ties with everyone that had anything to do with pushing the "election was stolen" narrative and Trump. If this doesn't send a message that it is a losing horse, I don't know what will short of Trump being convicted.

By the way, Lemon is also out at CNN.

Maybe we are starting to move back to the middle. Maybe some sanity is coming back.

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Serious question: What does moving back to the middle look like to you?

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Bush Sr.

Reagan

Someone willing to act when needed, but more willing to work in the middle to get things done. You don't win everything, so somethings you give. Adults make tough deisions

RMF5630 said:

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J.B.Katz said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Tucker Carlson Out at Fox News

Fox News' top-performing host Tucker Carlson is leaving the network after appearing in the prime-time slot since November 2016.

"Fox News Media and Tucker Carlson have agreed to part ways. We thank him for his service to the network as a host and prior to that as a contributor," the company wrote

The sudden departure did not leave Carlson time to host a final farewell episode of his wildly successful program Tucker Carlson Tonight. His last episode was broadcast on Friday, April 21, the network said.

An interim show featuring a rotating cast of Fox News personalities will fill the 8 p.m. hour until a new host is named.

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This Right Wing extreme Trumpism is not going to end well for the GOP. They are putting out a lot of rhetoric with very little provable fact to back it up. FOX, the Right Wing Bastion for conservative thought is cutting ties with everyone that had anything to do with pushing the "election was stolen" narrative and Trump. If this doesn't send a message that it is a losing horse, I don't know what will short of Trump being convicted.

By the way, Lemon is also out at CNN.

Maybe we are starting to move back to the middle. Maybe some sanity is coming back.

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Serious question: What does moving back to the middle look like to you?

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Bush Sr.

Reagan

Someone willing to act when needed, but more willing to work in the middle to get things done. You don't win everything, so somethings you give. Adults make tough deisions

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Excellent answer.

Allow me to add Tip O Neal .

Apparently there’s a Tucker Carlson Parade in New York celebrating him leaving Fox News. Needs more cowbell. pic.twitter.com/J6edKIH5Zm

— Dr. Jebra Faushay (@JebraFaushay) April 24, 2023

If I inspired a parade like that I'd be pretty proud.

RMF5630 said:

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J.B.Katz said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Tucker Carlson Out at Fox News

Fox News' top-performing host Tucker Carlson is leaving the network after appearing in the prime-time slot since November 2016.

"Fox News Media and Tucker Carlson have agreed to part ways. We thank him for his service to the network as a host and prior to that as a contributor," the company wrote

The sudden departure did not leave Carlson time to host a final farewell episode of his wildly successful program Tucker Carlson Tonight. His last episode was broadcast on Friday, April 21, the network said.

An interim show featuring a rotating cast of Fox News personalities will fill the 8 p.m. hour until a new host is named.

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This Right Wing extreme Trumpism is not going to end well for the GOP. They are putting out a lot of rhetoric with very little provable fact to back it up. FOX, the Right Wing Bastion for conservative thought is cutting ties with everyone that had anything to do with pushing the "election was stolen" narrative and Trump. If this doesn't send a message that it is a losing horse, I don't know what will short of Trump being convicted.

By the way, Lemon is also out at CNN.

Maybe we are starting to move back to the middle. Maybe some sanity is coming back.

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Serious question: What does moving back to the middle look like to you?

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Bush Sr.

Reagan

Someone willing to act when needed, but more willing to work in the middle to get things done. You don't win everything, so somethings you give. Adults make tough deisions

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Reagan was, in his day, treated by media, Democrats (but I repeat myself), and the wizards of smart in the GOP as a blustering right wing radical threat to peace and prosperity, a man whose appeal to the working class only proved he was of such limited intellect he could not be trusted to fully understand the WAPO comics page, much less hold the nuclear football.

whiterock said:

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RMF5630 said:

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J.B.Katz said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Tucker Carlson Out at Fox News

Fox News' top-performing host Tucker Carlson is leaving the network after appearing in the prime-time slot since November 2016.

"Fox News Media and Tucker Carlson have agreed to part ways. We thank him for his service to the network as a host and prior to that as a contributor," the company wrote

The sudden departure did not leave Carlson time to host a final farewell episode of his wildly successful program Tucker Carlson Tonight. His last episode was broadcast on Friday, April 21, the network said.

An interim show featuring a rotating cast of Fox News personalities will fill the 8 p.m. hour until a new host is named.

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This Right Wing extreme Trumpism is not going to end well for the GOP. They are putting out a lot of rhetoric with very little provable fact to back it up. FOX, the Right Wing Bastion for conservative thought is cutting ties with everyone that had anything to do with pushing the "election was stolen" narrative and Trump. If this doesn't send a message that it is a losing horse, I don't know what will short of Trump being convicted.

By the way, Lemon is also out at CNN.

Maybe we are starting to move back to the middle. Maybe some sanity is coming back.

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Serious question: What does moving back to the middle look like to you?

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Bush Sr.

Reagan

Someone willing to act when needed, but more willing to work in the middle to get things done. You don't win everything, so somethings you give. Adults make tough deisions

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Reagan was, in his day, treated by media, Democrats (but I repeat myself), and the wizards of smart in the GOP as a blustering right wing radical threat to peace and prosperity, a man whose appeal to the working class only proved he was of such limited intellect he could not be trusted to fully understand the WAPO comics page, much less hold the nuclear football.

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Exactly. The only difference is that in Reagan's case it wasn't true.

Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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RMF5630 said:

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J.B.Katz said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Tucker Carlson Out at Fox News

Fox News' top-performing host Tucker Carlson is leaving the network after appearing in the prime-time slot since November 2016.

"Fox News Media and Tucker Carlson have agreed to part ways. We thank him for his service to the network as a host and prior to that as a contributor," the company wrote

The sudden departure did not leave Carlson time to host a final farewell episode of his wildly successful program Tucker Carlson Tonight. His last episode was broadcast on Friday, April 21, the network said.

An interim show featuring a rotating cast of Fox News personalities will fill the 8 p.m. hour until a new host is named.

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This Right Wing extreme Trumpism is not going to end well for the GOP. They are putting out a lot of rhetoric with very little provable fact to back it up. FOX, the Right Wing Bastion for conservative thought is cutting ties with everyone that had anything to do with pushing the "election was stolen" narrative and Trump. If this doesn't send a message that it is a losing horse, I don't know what will short of Trump being convicted.

By the way, Lemon is also out at CNN.

Maybe we are starting to move back to the middle. Maybe some sanity is coming back.

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Serious question: What does moving back to the middle look like to you?

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Bush Sr.

Reagan

Someone willing to act when needed, but more willing to work in the middle to get things done. You don't win everything, so somethings you give. Adults make tough deisions

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Reagan was, in his day, treated by media, Democrats (but I repeat myself), and the wizards of smart in the GOP as a blustering right wing radical threat to peace and prosperity, a man whose appeal to the working class only proved he was of such limited intellect he could not be trusted to fully understand the WAPO comics page, much less hold the nuclear football.

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Exactly. The only difference is that in Reagan's case it wasn't true.

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Millions thought it was true. Some still do .

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maybe part of dominion settlement?


No reason was given for letting their top show go.

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100% to do with the settlement. He cost the network nearly $800mm.

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Even Tucker couldn't do that all by himself.

Fox cost themselves $800M and if there's any justice Smartmatic & the others they defamed will put them out of business. Them and their mouthpieces.

I can't count the number of "voter fraud" posts I read on this site. You guys repeated these talking points ad nauseam and some of you will keep doing it.

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Barack Obama - 69 million votes
Joe Biden - 81 million votes

Ummmm.............No. Did not happen. The Biden campaign couldn't attract flies.

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Yep, simple logic at work

KaiBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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RMF5630 said:

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J.B.Katz said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Tucker Carlson Out at Fox News

Fox News' top-performing host Tucker Carlson is leaving the network after appearing in the prime-time slot since November 2016.

"Fox News Media and Tucker Carlson have agreed to part ways. We thank him for his service to the network as a host and prior to that as a contributor," the company wrote

The sudden departure did not leave Carlson time to host a final farewell episode of his wildly successful program Tucker Carlson Tonight. His last episode was broadcast on Friday, April 21, the network said.

An interim show featuring a rotating cast of Fox News personalities will fill the 8 p.m. hour until a new host is named.

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This Right Wing extreme Trumpism is not going to end well for the GOP. They are putting out a lot of rhetoric with very little provable fact to back it up. FOX, the Right Wing Bastion for conservative thought is cutting ties with everyone that had anything to do with pushing the "election was stolen" narrative and Trump. If this doesn't send a message that it is a losing horse, I don't know what will short of Trump being convicted.

By the way, Lemon is also out at CNN.

Maybe we are starting to move back to the middle. Maybe some sanity is coming back.

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Serious question: What does moving back to the middle look like to you?

---

Bush Sr.

Reagan

Someone willing to act when needed, but more willing to work in the middle to get things done. You don't win everything, so somethings you give. Adults make tough deisions

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Reagan was, in his day, treated by media, Democrats (but I repeat myself), and the wizards of smart in the GOP as a blustering right wing radical threat to peace and prosperity, a man whose appeal to the working class only proved he was of such limited intellect he could not be trusted to fully understand the WAPO comics page, much less hold the nuclear football.

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Exactly. The only difference is that in Reagan's case it wasn't true.

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Millions thought it was true. Some still do .

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My concern is that some don't seem to care. A president with bad press and a president who's actually crazy are equally okay in their minds.

Sam Lowry said:

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KaiBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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RMF5630 said:

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J.B.Katz said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Tucker Carlson Out at Fox News

Fox News' top-performing host Tucker Carlson is leaving the network after appearing in the prime-time slot since November 2016.

"Fox News Media and Tucker Carlson have agreed to part ways. We thank him for his service to the network as a host and prior to that as a contributor," the company wrote

The sudden departure did not leave Carlson time to host a final farewell episode of his wildly successful program Tucker Carlson Tonight. His last episode was broadcast on Friday, April 21, the network said.

An interim show featuring a rotating cast of Fox News personalities will fill the 8 p.m. hour until a new host is named.

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This Right Wing extreme Trumpism is not going to end well for the GOP. They are putting out a lot of rhetoric with very little provable fact to back it up. FOX, the Right Wing Bastion for conservative thought is cutting ties with everyone that had anything to do with pushing the "election was stolen" narrative and Trump. If this doesn't send a message that it is a losing horse, I don't know what will short of Trump being convicted.

By the way, Lemon is also out at CNN.

Maybe we are starting to move back to the middle. Maybe some sanity is coming back.

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Serious question: What does moving back to the middle look like to you?

---

Bush Sr.

Reagan

Someone willing to act when needed, but more willing to work in the middle to get things done. You don't win everything, so somethings you give. Adults make tough deisions

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Reagan was, in his day, treated by media, Democrats (but I repeat myself), and the wizards of smart in the GOP as a blustering right wing radical threat to peace and prosperity, a man whose appeal to the working class only proved he was of such limited intellect he could not be trusted to fully understand the WAPO comics page, much less hold the nuclear football.

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Exactly. The only difference is that in Reagan's case it wasn't true.

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Millions thought it was true. Some still do .

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My concern is that some don't seem to care. A president with bad press and a president who's actually crazy are equally okay in their minds.

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I believe both Biden and Trump have mental issues . Neither is qualified to be president.

However IMO the internal problems in this country are irreversible at this point regardless who is president.

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ATL Bear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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TenBears said:

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Both of them are half wit, histrionic, douchbag trolls. Today was a big win for journalism in general.

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Very bad take. He speaks for a majority of Americans. Herewith, the best 6 minutes you will spend this month. Hilarious, and absolutely spot on.

Tucker Carlson’s speech over the weekend was powerful. Too powerful apparently. pic.twitter.com/sxncP26Tda

— TexasLindsay™ (@TexasLindsay_) April 24, 2023

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Rod Dreher on Tucker being gone:

[So, Tucker Carlson is out. We don't yet know the reason, or reasons, why, though there has been speculation. Some say it has to do with ugly things he said in private about Fox executives, but I doubt that's true. You can tolerate a lot of that kind of thing from your top network star. More plausible are the reports that this has to do with the lawsuit a former Carlson producer filed against the network, alleging sexism and other bad behavior (though not actual sex). These are at this point nothing but allegations; Fox has denied them. But Fox has been through this kind of thing before, with Bill O'Reilly and Roger Ailes who, unlike Carlson, actually sexually harassed women so maybe Rupert Murdoch had no stomach for any sort of replay....


I could be wrong about this, but to my knowledge, now that Tucker is gone, there is nobody not a single host on any cable or broadcast network who is unsympathetic to continuing the US proxy war on Russia in Ukraine. Not one. We have no real antiwar Left, and barely an antiwar Right. This, after the lies that got us into Iraq and kept us in Afghanistan. This, after the deceit revealed by the Teixeira leaks. The Cathedral is all in for this war. It just rid itself of its most powerful and lone major media critic.
Seriously, think about that: it's as if everything that we learned about the US Government, its wars, and the trustworthiness of the leadership class, over the past twenty years has been swept under a rug. Forgotten. Here is a relevant passage from Live Not By Lies:

Quote:

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"Not to know what happened before you were born is to remain a child forever," said Cicero. This, explains Kundera, is why communists placed such emphasis on conquering the minds and hearts of young people. In his novel The Book of Laughter and Forgetting, Kundera recalls a speech that Czech president Gustv Husk gave to a group of Young Pioneers, urging them to keep pressing forward to the Marxist paradise of peace, justice, and equality.

"Children, never look back!," [cries Kundera's character Husak], and what he meant was that we must never allow the future to collapse under the burden of memory.

A collective loss of historical memory not just memory of communism but memory of our shared cultural past within the West is bound to have a devastating effect on our future. It's not that forgetting the evils of communism means we are in danger of re-creating precisely that form of totalitarianism. It's that the act of forgetting itself makes us vulnerable to totalitarianism in general.
Put another way, we not only have to remember totalitarianism to build a resistance to it; we have to remember how to remember, period.

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Children, never look back! Forget about that trans person who murdered those Christians. Forget about the lies your government told you about Iraq and Afghanistan, and is telling you about Ukraine. Pay no attention to the fact that the political campaign of the man who is now the US president asked a former top CIA official to orchestrate some effort to make a story that was true but potentially hurtful to the cause of making Donald Trump go away and the retired spook did so, corralling fifty of his former colleagues from the senior ranks of the US intelligence establishment.

If you remember those things, the fabulous trans-imperial globalist security-state future they have planned for us might not happen. You might not have the opportunity to eat bugs. Your children might miss out on the chance to discover their true gender in elementary school, and to be raised by the state when Child Protective Services seizes them from you. Your daughter might be denied the opportunity to go into combat to queer the Donbass, and to gain enlightenment by seeing the Girl Todgers Of Progress on the transgendered "women" soldiers in the shower. Think of what you're missing! Tucker Carlson is no saint, but he is was at least someone who raised these issues substantively on his national show. That's over now. He won't be interfering with the future any longer, children. Nobody on TV will. If only he hadn't changed President Trump's mind in 2019, we might have had our jolly war with Iran. Don't worry, that's over now. Lock and load.]

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Tearing down, undermining, and rewriting history is certainly not a recent trend. Where I get lost is how this entire thing ties into the war in Ukraine. It's like a hodge podge guilt by association effort. One can believe the trans movement is horrifically destructive, that Iraq was a mistake, Afghan nation building was a blunder, intelligence and law enforcement are being frighteningly abused, that wokism is an existential threat, but still believe material support of Ukraine is a worthy cause. I mean totalitarianism takes many forms, and the leftist efforts in this nation is one brand, but so is the type that would militarily conquer a nation in order to take its land and enforce its own rule. History would show the latter to be the most prominent instrument of it.

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When the same people are still telling the same lies, it's not guilt by association. It's just plain guilt.

On the other hand, there are many reasons for war that have nothing to do with totalitarianism. Assuming all conquerors are totalitarian would be an example of guilt by association.

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Whose lies? The Russians or Ukrainians?

I'm amazed at the mental origami used to justify Putin's invasion.

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Our own government, obviously, and the neoconservative and neoliberal intellects who have laid the theoretical foundations of our policies.

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Or maybe a major power invaded a large nation in Europe that was trying to assimilate into the EU.

NEW: On Tucker Carlson leaving Fox: “We’re a better country without him bagging on our military every night in front of hundreds of thousands of people,” said one senior Pentagon official. via @laraseligman https://t.co/kcmcd1Qy0w

— Lee Hudson (@LeeHudson_) April 26, 2023

America is a healthy democracy, that's why Pentagon officials who wage and enable illegal wars around the world celebrate when their civilian critics are removed from television

Because we have a democracy

— Pedro L. Gonzalez (@emeriticus) April 26, 2023

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Both of them are half wit, histrionic, douchbag trolls. Today was a big win for journalism in general.

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Very bad take. He speaks for a majority of Americans. Herewith, the best 6 minutes you will spend this month. Hilarious, and absolutely spot on.

Tucker Carlson’s speech over the weekend was powerful. Too powerful apparently. pic.twitter.com/sxncP26Tda

— TexasLindsay™ (@TexasLindsay_) April 24, 2023

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Rod Dreher on Tucker being gone:

[So, Tucker Carlson is out. We don't yet know the reason, or reasons, why, though there has been speculation. Some say it has to do with ugly things he said in private about Fox executives, but I doubt that's true. You can tolerate a lot of that kind of thing from your top network star. More plausible are the reports that this has to do with the lawsuit a former Carlson producer filed against the network, alleging sexism and other bad behavior (though not actual sex). These are at this point nothing but allegations; Fox has denied them. But Fox has been through this kind of thing before, with Bill O'Reilly and Roger Ailes who, unlike Carlson, actually sexually harassed women so maybe Rupert Murdoch had no stomach for any sort of replay....


I could be wrong about this, but to my knowledge, now that Tucker is gone, there is nobody not a single host on any cable or broadcast network who is unsympathetic to continuing the US proxy war on Russia in Ukraine. Not one. We have no real antiwar Left, and barely an antiwar Right. This, after the lies that got us into Iraq and kept us in Afghanistan. This, after the deceit revealed by the Teixeira leaks. The Cathedral is all in for this war. It just rid itself of its most powerful and lone major media critic.
Seriously, think about that: it's as if everything that we learned about the US Government, its wars, and the trustworthiness of the leadership class, over the past twenty years has been swept under a rug. Forgotten. Here is a relevant passage from Live Not By Lies:

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"Not to know what happened before you were born is to remain a child forever," said Cicero. This, explains Kundera, is why communists placed such emphasis on conquering the minds and hearts of young people. In his novel The Book of Laughter and Forgetting, Kundera recalls a speech that Czech president Gustv Husk gave to a group of Young Pioneers, urging them to keep pressing forward to the Marxist paradise of peace, justice, and equality.

"Children, never look back!," [cries Kundera's character Husak], and what he meant was that we must never allow the future to collapse under the burden of memory.

A collective loss of historical memory not just memory of communism but memory of our shared cultural past within the West is bound to have a devastating effect on our future. It's not that forgetting the evils of communism means we are in danger of re-creating precisely that form of totalitarianism. It's that the act of forgetting itself makes us vulnerable to totalitarianism in general.
Put another way, we not only have to remember totalitarianism to build a resistance to it; we have to remember how to remember, period.

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Children, never look back! Forget about that trans person who murdered those Christians. Forget about the lies your government told you about Iraq and Afghanistan, and is telling you about Ukraine. Pay no attention to the fact that the political campaign of the man who is now the US president asked a former top CIA official to orchestrate some effort to make a story that was true but potentially hurtful to the cause of making Donald Trump go away and the retired spook did so, corralling fifty of his former colleagues from the senior ranks of the US intelligence establishment.

If you remember those things, the fabulous trans-imperial globalist security-state future they have planned for us might not happen. You might not have the opportunity to eat bugs. Your children might miss out on the chance to discover their true gender in elementary school, and to be raised by the state when Child Protective Services seizes them from you. Your daughter might be denied the opportunity to go into combat to queer the Donbass, and to gain enlightenment by seeing the Girl Todgers Of Progress on the transgendered "women" soldiers in the shower. Think of what you're missing! Tucker Carlson is no saint, but he is was at least someone who raised these issues substantively on his national show. That's over now. He won't be interfering with the future any longer, children. Nobody on TV will. If only he hadn't changed President Trump's mind in 2019, we might have had our jolly war with Iran. Don't worry, that's over now. Lock and load.]

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Tearing down, undermining, and rewriting history is certainly not a recent trend. Where I get lost is how this entire thing ties into the war in Ukraine. It's like a hodge podge guilt by association effort. One can believe the trans movement is horrifically destructive, that Iraq was a mistake, Afghan nation building was a blunder, intelligence and law enforcement are being frighteningly abused, that wokism is an existential threat, but still believe material support of Ukraine is a worthy cause. I mean totalitarianism takes many forms, and the leftist efforts in this nation is one brand, but so is the type that would militarily conquer a nation in order to take its land and enforce its own rule. History would show the latter to be the most prominent instrument of it.

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When the same people are still telling the same lies, it's not guilt by association. It's just plain guilt.

On the other hand, there are many reasons for war that have nothing to do with totalitarianism. Assuming all conquerors are totalitarian would be an example of guilt by association.

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Whose lies? The Russians or Ukrainians?

I'm amazed at the mental origami used to justify Putin's invasion.

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I'm amazed by the Boomers on this website who think it's our business to get involved in a war on the far side of the earth because one corrupt Slavic state (that is not our ally) is attacking another corrupt Slavic state (that is also not our ally).

And who think our leaders are telling us the whole truth after lying us into two disastrous wars that went on for 20 years.

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Maybe Boomers spent their lives and service time fighting to make the world more safe. Only to see the younger generation be willing to give it all nack so they are not inconvenienced and then be lectured by those that have not accomplished much..

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Watch your back Jesse. They are coming for you next.

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Didn't know he lied too

Hadn't noticed

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They all lie. Watch CNN or MSNBC sometime.

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Tucker Carlson Out at Fox News

Fox News' top-performing host Tucker Carlson is leaving the network after appearing in the prime-time slot since November 2016.

"Fox News Media and Tucker Carlson have agreed to part ways. We thank him for his service to the network as a host and prior to that as a contributor," the company wrote

The sudden departure did not leave Carlson time to host a final farewell episode of his wildly successful program Tucker Carlson Tonight. His last episode was broadcast on Friday, April 21, the network said.

An interim show featuring a rotating cast of Fox News personalities will fill the 8 p.m. hour until a new host is named.

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This Right Wing extreme Trumpism is not going to end well for the GOP. They are putting out a lot of rhetoric with very little provable fact to back it up. FOX, the Right Wing Bastion for conservative thought is cutting ties with everyone that had anything to do with pushing the "election was stolen" narrative and Trump. If this doesn't send a message that it is a losing horse, I don't know what will short of Trump being convicted.

By the way, Lemon is also out at CNN.

Maybe we are starting to move back to the middle. Maybe some sanity is coming back.

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Serious question: What does moving back to the middle look like to you?

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Bush Sr.

Reagan

Someone willing to act when needed, but more willing to work in the middle to get things done. You don't win everything, so somethings you give. Adults make tough deisions

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Reagan was, in his day, treated by media, Democrats (but I repeat myself), and the wizards of smart in the GOP as a blustering right wing radical threat to peace and prosperity, a man whose appeal to the working class only proved he was of such limited intellect he could not be trusted to fully understand the WAPO comics page, much less hold the nuclear football.

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Exactly. The only difference is that in Reagan's case it wasn't true.

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it's not true about Trump, either. Unfortunately, Trump does not have Reagan's gentle demeanor to deflect it as well. Frankly, I'm not sure Reagan's schtick would be so successful today. It's a different country. We no longer have basic social contract (see Carlson's clip above). We're going to get one iconoclast after another until one side wins the argument.

The value of Biden is that he's an disarming avatar of a bygone age. Once he's gone, it will be a lot harder for Democrats to hide who they are. That's why they're holding on to him.

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Watch your back Jesse. They are coming for you next.

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Didn't know he lied too

Hadn't noticed

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They all lie. Watch CNN or MSNBC sometime.

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I trust Baier, Cavuto, & Perino

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Tucker Carlson Out at Fox News

Fox News' top-performing host Tucker Carlson is leaving the network after appearing in the prime-time slot since November 2016.

"Fox News Media and Tucker Carlson have agreed to part ways. We thank him for his service to the network as a host and prior to that as a contributor," the company wrote

The sudden departure did not leave Carlson time to host a final farewell episode of his wildly successful program Tucker Carlson Tonight. His last episode was broadcast on Friday, April 21, the network said.

An interim show featuring a rotating cast of Fox News personalities will fill the 8 p.m. hour until a new host is named.

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This Right Wing extreme Trumpism is not going to end well for the GOP. They are putting out a lot of rhetoric with very little provable fact to back it up. FOX, the Right Wing Bastion for conservative thought is cutting ties with everyone that had anything to do with pushing the "election was stolen" narrative and Trump. If this doesn't send a message that it is a losing horse, I don't know what will short of Trump being convicted.

By the way, Lemon is also out at CNN.

Maybe we are starting to move back to the middle. Maybe some sanity is coming back.

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Serious question: What does moving back to the middle look like to you?

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Bush Sr.

Reagan

Someone willing to act when needed, but more willing to work in the middle to get things done. You don't win everything, so somethings you give. Adults make tough deisions

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Reagan was, in his day, treated by media, Democrats (but I repeat myself), and the wizards of smart in the GOP as a blustering right wing radical threat to peace and prosperity, a man whose appeal to the working class only proved he was of such limited intellect he could not be trusted to fully understand the WAPO comics page, much less hold the nuclear football.

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Exactly. The only difference is that in Reagan's case it wasn't true.

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it's not true about Trump, either. Unfortunately, Trump does not have Reagan's gentle demeanor to deflect it as well. Frankly, I'm not sure Reagan's schtick would be so successful today. It's a different country. We no longer have basic social contract (see Carlson's clip above). We're going to get one iconoclast after another until one side wins the argument.

The value of Biden is that he's a disarming avatar of a bygone age. Once he's gone, it will be a lot harder for Democrats to hide who they are. That's why they're holding on to him.

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Agreed trump isn't a right wing radical but he is unhinged and ridiculous quite often, and unfortunately gives the Dems plenty of material with which to attack him. Sure it won't move the needle for MAGA but it will do him no favors with the other voters he needs to win the next election.

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Tucker Carlson Out at Fox News

Fox News' top-performing host Tucker Carlson is leaving the network after appearing in the prime-time slot since November 2016.

"Fox News Media and Tucker Carlson have agreed to part ways. We thank him for his service to the network as a host and prior to that as a contributor," the company wrote

The sudden departure did not leave Carlson time to host a final farewell episode of his wildly successful program Tucker Carlson Tonight. His last episode was broadcast on Friday, April 21, the network said.

An interim show featuring a rotating cast of Fox News personalities will fill the 8 p.m. hour until a new host is named.

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This Right Wing extreme Trumpism is not going to end well for the GOP. They are putting out a lot of rhetoric with very little provable fact to back it up. FOX, the Right Wing Bastion for conservative thought is cutting ties with everyone that had anything to do with pushing the "election was stolen" narrative and Trump. If this doesn't send a message that it is a losing horse, I don't know what will short of Trump being convicted.

By the way, Lemon is also out at CNN.

Maybe we are starting to move back to the middle. Maybe some sanity is coming back.

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Serious question: What does moving back to the middle look like to you?

---

Bush Sr.

Reagan

Someone willing to act when needed, but more willing to work in the middle to get things done. You don't win everything, so somethings you give. Adults make tough deisions

---

Reagan was, in his day, treated by media, Democrats (but I repeat myself), and the wizards of smart in the GOP as a blustering right wing radical threat to peace and prosperity, a man whose appeal to the working class only proved he was of such limited intellect he could not be trusted to fully understand the WAPO comics page, much less hold the nuclear football.

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Exactly. The only difference is that in Reagan's case it wasn't true.

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it's not true about Trump, either. Unfortunately, Trump does not have Reagan's gentle demeanor to deflect it as well. Frankly, I'm not sure Reagan's schtick would be so successful today. It's a different country. We no longer have basic social contract (see Carlson's clip above). We're going to get one iconoclast after another until one side wins the argument.

The value of Biden is that he's a disarming avatar of a bygone age. Once he's gone, it will be a lot harder for Democrats to hide who they are. That's why they're holding on to him.

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Agreed trump isn't a right wing radical but he is unhinged and ridiculous quite often, and unfortunately gives the Dems plenty of material with which to attack him. Sure it won't move the needle for MAGA but it will do him no favors with the other voters he needs to win the next election.

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Want to maximize Dem turnout? Run Trump. The Right Wing fringe is enough to skew primaries, but will be 2020 all over again in General. All over the clown Trump, do not get it. Guy represents everything wrong with a Candidate. He gives Dems one thing no one else does, film of 2020.- his rally, him telling them to March on Congress and the crowd attack on Congress. Cant wait to see people scaling wall and the Shaman showing up on Ads, is this who you want in charge? Gonna be a great visual. Gonna play well in the Suburbs....