Never been a big Disney fan, though their animated movies in the 80s and 90s are great & many of their additions to the Star Wars portfolio good. Andor was great.

The idea of paying what you pay for a few days at Disney World, a cost that goes up a lot if you also pay to avoid the lines, never computed when there are so many other great vacay options in uncrowded locations that don't involve standing in line in the Florida heat for an 8-minute ride.

But Disney runs a tight ship, delivers a reliable experience people return for again and again plus they have a juggernaut movie portfolio.

Why would DeSantis take them on? I can't see any big wins for him, and now he stands to be humiliated in court. Plus this kills any pretention that Republicans are the party of small government and freedom.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/26/business/disney-desantis-board-florida.html

J.B.Katz said:

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Never been a big Disney fan, though their animated movies in the 80s and 90s are great & many of their additions to the Star Wars portfolio good. Andor was great.

The idea of paying what you pay for a few days at Disney World, a cost that goes up a lot if you also pay to avoid the lines, never computed when there are so many other great vacay options in uncrowded locations that don't involve standing in line in the Florida heat for an 8-minute ride.

But Disney runs a tight ship, delivers a reliable experience people return for again and again plus they have a juggernaut movie portfolio.

Why would DeSantis take them on? I can't see any big wins for him, and now he stands to be humiliated in court. Plus this kills any pretention that Republicans are the party of small government and freedom.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/26/business/disney-desantis-board-florida.html

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Disney has apparently not learned a damn thing. Parents don't want their young children sexualized and indoctrinated. What Disney refers to as "Don't say gay!".

I'm pretty laissez faire on economics, but there's nothing laissez faire about this situation or the Reedy Creek evolution. It's compounded by Disney's audacity to push through a 30 year agreement using their hand picked tourist board right before they knew the tide was changing earlier this year.

J.B.Katz said:

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Never been a big Disney fan, though their animated movies in the 80s and 90s are great & many of their additions to the Star Wars portfolio good. Andor was great.

The idea of paying what you pay for a few days at Disney World, a cost that goes up a lot if you also pay to avoid the lines, never computed when there are so many other great vacay options in uncrowded locations that don't involve standing in line in the Florida heat for an 8-minute ride.

But Disney runs a tight ship, delivers a reliable experience people return for again and again plus they have a juggernaut movie portfolio.

Why would DeSantis take them on? I can't see any big wins for him, and now he stands to be humiliated in court. Plus this kills any pretention that Republicans are the party of small government and freedom.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/26/business/disney-desantis-board-florida.html

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Another thing we disagree on

90% of what they have done with Star Wars has been trash


p.s.

Small government is dead. Probably since Lincoln...most certainly since FDR launched his revolution in the 1930s. Federal Government spending is now the largest single part of our economy. The federal government spent $6.27 trillion in FY 2022 alone. The question now is only how will the great power of the government be used? To liberal social, cultural, and economic ends? Or conservative social, cultural, and economic ends?

"federal, state, and local spending. It amounts to 40 percent of the national income. Then add in all the mandates that government imposes on private spending for instance, when the government insists that you have antipollution devices on your car that might as well be on the budget. If you add those costs, plus all the regulations and restrictions on enterprises, that accounts for about another 10 percent. So about 50 percent of the output of the country is controlled by the government, which is equivalent to saying that the government owns 50 percent of the means of production." -Milton Friedman

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Never been a big Disney fan, though their animated movies in the 80s and 90s are great & many of their additions to the Star Wars portfolio good. Andor was great.

The idea of paying what you pay for a few days at Disney World, a cost that goes up a lot if you also pay to avoid the lines, never computed when there are so many other great vacay options in uncrowded locations that don't involve standing in line in the Florida heat for an 8-minute ride.

But Disney runs a tight ship, delivers a reliable experience people return for again and again plus they have a juggernaut movie portfolio.

Why would DeSantis take them on? I can't see any big wins for him, and now he stands to be humiliated in court. Plus this kills any pretention that Republicans are the party of small government and freedom.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/26/business/disney-desantis-board-florida.html

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First thing I can remember that I agree with you on.

DeSantis wants to fight the culture war. Will it hurt him or help him we will see. I'm glad someone is.

IMO Disney needs to focus on providing good entertainment and stay out of the culture war.

Disney mission statement....
The mission of The Walt Disney Company is to entertain, inform and inspire people around the globe through the power of unparalleled storytelling, reflecting the iconic brands, creative minds and innovative technologies that make ours the world's premier entertainment company.

There is nothing in there about opposing legislation that woke (and uninformed) executives find offensive.

Remember Disney started it and now they are spending corporate dollars dealing with the aftermath.

The argument can be made that DeSantis is spending state funds to persecute a private company. But if voters are upset they can recall, impeach or vote him out of office.

BearFan33 said:

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J.B.Katz said:

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Never been a big Disney fan, though their animated movies in the 80s and 90s are great & many of their additions to the Star Wars portfolio good. Andor was great.

The idea of paying what you pay for a few days at Disney World, a cost that goes up a lot if you also pay to avoid the lines, never computed when there are so many other great vacay options in uncrowded locations that don't involve standing in line in the Florida heat for an 8-minute ride.

But Disney runs a tight ship, delivers a reliable experience people return for again and again plus they have a juggernaut movie portfolio.

Why would DeSantis take them on? I can't see any big wins for him, and now he stands to be humiliated in court. Plus this kills any pretention that Republicans are the party of small government and freedom.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/26/business/disney-desantis-board-florida.html

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First thing I can remember that I agree with you on.

DeSantis wants to fight the culture war. Will it hurt him or help him we will see. I'm glad someone is.

IMO Disney needs to focus on providing good entertainment and stay out of the culture war.

Disney mission statement....
The mission of The Walt Disney Company is to entertain, inform and inspire people around the globe through the power of unparalleled storytelling, reflecting the iconic brands, creative minds and innovative technologies that make ours the world's premier entertainment company.

There is nothing in there about opposing legislation that woke (and uninformed) executives find offensive.

Remember Disney started it and now they are spending corporate dollars dealing with the aftermath.

The argument can be made that DeSantis is spending state funds to persecute a private company. But if voters are upset they can recall, impeach or vote him out of office.

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First, define "woke."

Tucker Carlson & other rightwing pundits have turnedhte b.s. term "woke" into a right-wing insult for any view conservative evangelicals don't like. The belief that people who are openly gay deserve basic civil rights like other human beings isn't "woke," it's humane. The steady drumbeat of hatred eminating from evangelical churches and their members toward gay people right now is downright toxic. We're far from the "hate the sin and love the sinner" mantra that used to be preached (and was often dishonest) and moving toward round-ups and internment camps for gays who don't recede into their closets and stay there with the doors closed and the lights out.

Second, Florida isn't doing Disney a favor by creating the special district. Disney is doing Florida the favor. Disney took on and paid for fire protection, policing, waste management, energy generation, road maintenance, bond issuance and development planning b/c it has higher standards than local government and needed to control those things to ensure its standards were met. Florida has obviously been on board with that plan for decades.

Threatening Disney b/c some films have gay characters is genuinely stupid. If you don't want your kids to see those characters b/c you think they're "woke" becuase the steady drumbeat of right-wing talk media has given you a new term to talk down to people who don't share your religious views about homosexuality, then don't go to those movies or buy them on streaming services.

A just result would be for Disney to pick up its toys and move to a state where the governor wasn't a bully with short man's syndrome. But they've got too big of an investment, so they're standing their ground. It'll be interesting to watch.

J.B.Katz said:

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BearFan33 said:

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J.B.Katz said:

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Never been a big Disney fan, though their animated movies in the 80s and 90s are great & many of their additions to the Star Wars portfolio good. Andor was great.

The idea of paying what you pay for a few days at Disney World, a cost that goes up a lot if you also pay to avoid the lines, never computed when there are so many other great vacay options in uncrowded locations that don't involve standing in line in the Florida heat for an 8-minute ride.

But Disney runs a tight ship, delivers a reliable experience people return for again and again plus they have a juggernaut movie portfolio.

Why would DeSantis take them on? I can't see any big wins for him, and now he stands to be humiliated in court. Plus this kills any pretention that Republicans are the party of small government and freedom.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/26/business/disney-desantis-board-florida.html

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First thing I can remember that I agree with you on.

DeSantis wants to fight the culture war. Will it hurt him or help him we will see. I'm glad someone is.

IMO Disney needs to focus on providing good entertainment and stay out of the culture war.

Disney mission statement....
The mission of The Walt Disney Company is to entertain, inform and inspire people around the globe through the power of unparalleled storytelling, reflecting the iconic brands, creative minds and innovative technologies that make ours the world's premier entertainment company.

There is nothing in there about opposing legislation that woke (and uninformed) executives find offensive.

Remember Disney started it and now they are spending corporate dollars dealing with the aftermath.

The argument can be made that DeSantis is spending state funds to persecute a private company. But if voters are upset they can recall, impeach or vote him out of office.

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First, define "woke."

Tucker Carlson & other rightwing pundits have turnedhte b.s. term "woke" into a right-wing insult

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You act like the years of 2008-2020 never happened...when every liberal you could think of loved to call themselves "WOKE"

It was everywhere in the media, on twitter, on college campuses, and in the popular culture.

Now that is has become an unpopular term you act Conservatives just made it up as an insult.

It became an insult because of the activities and the actions of radical progressives.


[The term emerged in the 2010s and, increasingly, it also meant not only racial consciousness but also that of gender as well as other discriminated identities, originally in the American context. During the 2014 Ferguson protests, the phrase was popularized by Black Lives Matter (BLM) activists seeking to raise awareness about police shootings of African Americans. After seeing use on Black Twitter, the term woke was increasingly used by progressive white people, often to signal their support for BLM, which some commentators have criticized as cultural appropriation. Initially this wider adoption spread primarily among the young or the millennial generation. As it spread internationally, the term was added to the Oxford English Dictionary in 2017.

By 2020, however, members of the political center and right wing in several Western countries were using the term woke in an ironic way]

[Erykah Badu's 2008 track "Master Teacher" (featuring spoken word by Georgia Anne Muldrow) is widely credited with re-introducing "stay woke" to the modern lexicon. However, Watson believes it was Badu's use of the phrase on Twitter while advocating for the freedom of Russian feminist protestors that ultimately helped propel woke around the globe.

"[Kelley] spoke to this how these words evolve," says Watson. "We see how quick they evolve, even quicker, with the advent of social media. It just amplifies the speed in which things no longer belong to the creator]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/07/28/we-should-all-be-woke/

I thanks RBB for providing the evolving definition of woke.

I was using it in the context of business executives that prioritize their activism over corporate interests (like the lady at Bud Light). Disney executive board room is full of them as their own conference call videos have revealed.

As far as the delusional visions in your head about gays being persecuted, I don't know anyone that recoils at gay characters and themes in adult content. It is the forcing of an inappropriate ideology on our children when most people draw the line. Schools are doing it and Disney (inappropriately) picked a side.

BearFan33 said:

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I thanks RBB for providing the evolving definition of woke.

I was using it in the context of business executives that prioritize their activism over corporate interests (like the lady at Bud Light). Disney executive board room is full of them as their own conference call videos have revealed.

As far as the delusional visions in your head about gays being persecuted, I don't know anyone that recoils at gay characters and themes in adult content. It is the forcing of an inappropriate ideology on our children when most people draw the line. Schools are doing it and Disney (inappropriately) picked a side.

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I personally do not care to see it at all. I dont mind gay characters but graphic gay scenes simliar to the ketamine sex scene in White Lotus season 1 is pretty gross and off putting to me.

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BearFan33 said:

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I thanks RBB for providing the evolving definition of woke.

I was using it in the context of business executives that prioritize their activism over corporate interests (like the lady at Bud Light). Disney executive board room is full of them as their own conference call videos have revealed.

As far as the delusional visions in your head about gays being persecuted, I don't know anyone that recoils at gay characters and themes in adult content. It is the forcing of an inappropriate ideology on our children when most people draw the line. Schools are doing it and Disney (inappropriately) picked a side.

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I personally do not care to see it at all. I dont mind gay characters but graphic gay scenes simliar to the ketamine sex scene in White Lotus season 1 is pretty gross and off putting to me.

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Oh the graphic scenes are a too much for me too. I suspect a lot of recoil to that. I was talking simply about characters and themes. I should have clarified by adult content I mean PG and R (not soft or real porn).

What "basic civil rights" do gays not have? Please share

J.B.Katz said:

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BearFan33 said:

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J.B.Katz said:

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Never been a big Disney fan, though their animated movies in the 80s and 90s are great & many of their additions to the Star Wars portfolio good. Andor was great.

The idea of paying what you pay for a few days at Disney World, a cost that goes up a lot if you also pay to avoid the lines, never computed when there are so many other great vacay options in uncrowded locations that don't involve standing in line in the Florida heat for an 8-minute ride.

But Disney runs a tight ship, delivers a reliable experience people return for again and again plus they have a juggernaut movie portfolio.

Why would DeSantis take them on? I can't see any big wins for him, and now he stands to be humiliated in court. Plus this kills any pretention that Republicans are the party of small government and freedom.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/26/business/disney-desantis-board-florida.html

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First thing I can remember that I agree with you on.

DeSantis wants to fight the culture war. Will it hurt him or help him we will see. I'm glad someone is.

IMO Disney needs to focus on providing good entertainment and stay out of the culture war.

Disney mission statement....
The mission of The Walt Disney Company is to entertain, inform and inspire people around the globe through the power of unparalleled storytelling, reflecting the iconic brands, creative minds and innovative technologies that make ours the world's premier entertainment company.

There is nothing in there about opposing legislation that woke (and uninformed) executives find offensive.

Remember Disney started it and now they are spending corporate dollars dealing with the aftermath.

The argument can be made that DeSantis is spending state funds to persecute a private company. But if voters are upset they can recall, impeach or vote him out of office.

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First, define "woke."

Tucker Carlson & other rightwing pundits have turnedhte b.s. term "woke" into a right-wing insult for any view conservative evangelicals don't like. The belief that people who are openly gay deserve basic civil rights like other human beings isn't "woke," it's humane. The steady drumbeat of hatred eminating from evangelical churches and their members toward gay people right now is downright toxic. We're far from the "hate the sin and love the sinner" mantra that used to be preached (and was often dishonest) and moving toward round-ups and internment camps for gays who don't recede into their closets and stay there with the doors closed and the lights out.

Second, Florida isn't doing Disney a favor by creating the special district. Disney is doing Florida the favor. Disney took on and paid for fire protection, policing, waste management, energy generation, road maintenance, bond issuance and development planning b/c it has higher standards than local government and needed to control those things to ensure its standards were met. Florida has obviously been on board with that plan for decades.

Threatening Disney b/c some films have gay characters is genuinely stupid. If you don't want your kids to see those characters b/c you think they're "woke" becuase the steady drumbeat of right-wing talk media has given you a new term to talk down to people who don't share your religious views about homosexuality, then don't go to those movies or buy them on streaming services.

A just result would be for Disney to pick up its toys and move to a state where the governor wasn't a bully with short man's syndrome. But they've got too big of an investment, so they're standing their ground. It'll be interesting to watch.

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What is it like to have to wake up everyday and lie to yourself? You are like an alcoholic . . . "today is going to be different" despite having to take a swig to avoid the DTs.

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J.B.Katz said:

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Never been a big Disney fan, though their animated movies in the 80s and 90s are great & many of their additions to the Star Wars portfolio good. Andor was great.

The idea of paying what you pay for a few days at Disney World, a cost that goes up a lot if you also pay to avoid the lines, never computed when there are so many other great vacay options in uncrowded locations that don't involve standing in line in the Florida heat for an 8-minute ride.

But Disney runs a tight ship, delivers a reliable experience people return for again and again plus they have a juggernaut movie portfolio.

Why would DeSantis take them on? I can't see any big wins for him, and now he stands to be humiliated in court. Plus this kills any pretention that Republicans are the party of small government and freedom.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/26/business/disney-desantis-board-florida.html

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Disney has apparently not learned a damn thing. Parents don't want their young children sexualized and indoctrinated. What Disney refers to as "Don't say gay!".

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Disney (and all companies) sell to their customers. I don't know who that is but I assume they know.

If that customer is gay, shouldn't they have events for them. Speak for them?

As you know, I'm not every going to the Noah's Arc thing. Why would they care what I think about that attraction?

As a citizen company, they have every right to disagree with their government and to express that disagreement.

Mitch Blood Green said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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J.B.Katz said:

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Never been a big Disney fan, though their animated movies in the 80s and 90s are great & many of their additions to the Star Wars portfolio good. Andor was great.

The idea of paying what you pay for a few days at Disney World, a cost that goes up a lot if you also pay to avoid the lines, never computed when there are so many other great vacay options in uncrowded locations that don't involve standing in line in the Florida heat for an 8-minute ride.

But Disney runs a tight ship, delivers a reliable experience people return for again and again plus they have a juggernaut movie portfolio.

Why would DeSantis take them on? I can't see any big wins for him, and now he stands to be humiliated in court. Plus this kills any pretention that Republicans are the party of small government and freedom.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/26/business/disney-desantis-board-florida.html

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Disney has apparently not learned a damn thing. Parents don't want their young children sexualized and indoctrinated. What Disney refers to as "Don't say gay!".

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Disney (and all companies) sell to their customers. I don't know who that is but I assume they know.

If that customer is gay, shouldn't they have events for them. Speak for them?

As you know, I'm not every going to the Noah's Arc thing. Why would they care what I think about that attraction?

As a citizen company, they have every right to disagree with their government and to express that disagreement.

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Disney executives pointedly said they would be adding as much alphabet cult into their media as they can. This was not said because she was targeting their main demographic of customer. It was made clear this was to push an agenda on ALL their viewers. Anyone with even a shred of integrity will admit the largest share of their viewers are children.

Wangchung said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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J.B.Katz said:

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Never been a big Disney fan, though their animated movies in the 80s and 90s are great & many of their additions to the Star Wars portfolio good. Andor was great.

The idea of paying what you pay for a few days at Disney World, a cost that goes up a lot if you also pay to avoid the lines, never computed when there are so many other great vacay options in uncrowded locations that don't involve standing in line in the Florida heat for an 8-minute ride.

But Disney runs a tight ship, delivers a reliable experience people return for again and again plus they have a juggernaut movie portfolio.

Why would DeSantis take them on? I can't see any big wins for him, and now he stands to be humiliated in court. Plus this kills any pretention that Republicans are the party of small government and freedom.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/26/business/disney-desantis-board-florida.html

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Disney has apparently not learned a damn thing. Parents don't want their young children sexualized and indoctrinated. What Disney refers to as "Don't say gay!".

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Disney (and all companies) sell to their customers. I don't know who that is but I assume they know.

If that customer is gay, shouldn't they have events for them. Speak for them?

As you know, I'm not every going to the Noah's Arc thing. Why would they care what I think about that attraction?

As a citizen company, they have every right to disagree with their government and to express that disagreement.

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Disney executives pointedly said they would be adding as much alphabet cult into their media as they can. This was not said because she was targeting their main demographic of customer. It was made clear this was to push an agenda on ALL their viewers. Anyone with even a shred of integrity will admit the largest share of their viewers are children.

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Exactly.

If Disney was just trying to cater to gay customers. Then
5% of their shows, characters, and corporate promotions would be LGBTQ+. And 95% of there stuff would be catering to straight.

As the father of 3 young kids…who watches with them…I am seeing a lot more than 5% LGBTQ+ stuff from Disney and other corporate entertainment corps.

Mitch Blood Green said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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J.B.Katz said:

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Never been a big Disney fan, though their animated movies in the 80s and 90s are great & many of their additions to the Star Wars portfolio good. Andor was great.

The idea of paying what you pay for a few days at Disney World, a cost that goes up a lot if you also pay to avoid the lines, never computed when there are so many other great vacay options in uncrowded locations that don't involve standing in line in the Florida heat for an 8-minute ride.

But Disney runs a tight ship, delivers a reliable experience people return for again and again plus they have a juggernaut movie portfolio.

Why would DeSantis take them on? I can't see any big wins for him, and now he stands to be humiliated in court. Plus this kills any pretention that Republicans are the party of small government and freedom.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/26/business/disney-desantis-board-florida.html

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Disney has apparently not learned a damn thing. Parents don't want their young children sexualized and indoctrinated. What Disney refers to as "Don't say gay!".

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Disney (and all companies) sell to their customers. I don't know who that is but I assume they know.

If that customer is gay, shouldn't they have events for them. Speak for them?

As you know, I'm not every going to the Noah's Arc thing. Why would they care what I think about that attraction?

As a citizen company, they have every right to disagree with their government and to express that disagreement.

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This post reminds me of one of my favorite memes from recent years. Shows Star Trek's Jean Luc Piccard pointing. He says:

" Okay........Congratulations.......you are gay! Now S T F U and just go be gay!!!!!".

No. I don't think Disney should cater to gay folks. Or Trans folks. Or even heterosexual folks. They need to cater to children. Kids need to be allowed to be kids.

Disney is literally like every S&P 500 company you have ever heard of (and there's a ton most of y'all have never heard of)

There's not a part of your life the liberals wokies communists don't have control over.

How the final battle is decided is yet to be seen. But you're seeing it play out before your very eyes every day.

I feel for my white Hetero male friends and most the black men I talk to are pissed too because the only ones mainly helped by the "DEIC fepartments" lol are black women and they are second fiddle to that. Experienced it.

Mitch Blood Green said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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J.B.Katz said:

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Never been a big Disney fan, though their animated movies in the 80s and 90s are great & many of their additions to the Star Wars portfolio good. Andor was great.

The idea of paying what you pay for a few days at Disney World, a cost that goes up a lot if you also pay to avoid the lines, never computed when there are so many other great vacay options in uncrowded locations that don't involve standing in line in the Florida heat for an 8-minute ride.

But Disney runs a tight ship, delivers a reliable experience people return for again and again plus they have a juggernaut movie portfolio.

Why would DeSantis take them on? I can't see any big wins for him, and now he stands to be humiliated in court. Plus this kills any pretention that Republicans are the party of small government and freedom.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/26/business/disney-desantis-board-florida.html

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Disney has apparently not learned a damn thing. Parents don't want their young children sexualized and indoctrinated. What Disney refers to as "Don't say gay!".

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Disney (and all companies) sell to their customers. I don't know who that is but I assume they know.

If that customer is gay, shouldn't they have events for them. Speak for them?

As you know, I'm not every going to the Noah's Arc thing. Why would they care what I think about that attraction?

As a citizen company, they have every right to disagree with their government and to express that disagreement.

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Like Budweiser just did? Lol

look at this ****

Hey @Disney, my home state will happily accept your 70,000+ jobs if you want to leave Florida.

We’ve got great weather, great people, and it’s always a great day in South Carolina!

SC’s not woke, but we’re not sanctimonious about it either. pic.twitter.com/uf1PWQjGc5

— Nikki Haley (@NikkiHaley) April 26, 2023

J.B.Katz said:

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BearFan33 said:

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J.B.Katz said:

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Never been a big Disney fan, though their animated movies in the 80s and 90s are great & many of their additions to the Star Wars portfolio good. Andor was great.

The idea of paying what you pay for a few days at Disney World, a cost that goes up a lot if you also pay to avoid the lines, never computed when there are so many other great vacay options in uncrowded locations that don't involve standing in line in the Florida heat for an 8-minute ride.

But Disney runs a tight ship, delivers a reliable experience people return for again and again plus they have a juggernaut movie portfolio.

Why would DeSantis take them on? I can't see any big wins for him, and now he stands to be humiliated in court. Plus this kills any pretention that Republicans are the party of small government and freedom.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/26/business/disney-desantis-board-florida.html

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First thing I can remember that I agree with you on.

DeSantis wants to fight the culture war. Will it hurt him or help him we will see. I'm glad someone is.

IMO Disney needs to focus on providing good entertainment and stay out of the culture war.

Disney mission statement....
The mission of The Walt Disney Company is to entertain, inform and inspire people around the globe through the power of unparalleled storytelling, reflecting the iconic brands, creative minds and innovative technologies that make ours the world's premier entertainment company.

There is nothing in there about opposing legislation that woke (and uninformed) executives find offensive.

Remember Disney started it and now they are spending corporate dollars dealing with the aftermath.

The argument can be made that DeSantis is spending state funds to persecute a private company. But if voters are upset they can recall, impeach or vote him out of office.

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First, define "woke."

Tucker Carlson & other rightwing pundits have turnedhte b.s. term "woke" into a right-wing insult for any view conservative evangelicals don't like. The belief that people who are openly gay deserve basic civil rights like other human beings isn't "woke," it's humane. The steady drumbeat of hatred eminating from evangelical churches and their members toward gay people right now is downright toxic. We're far from the "hate the sin and love the sinner" mantra that used to be preached (and was often dishonest) and moving toward round-ups and internment camps for gays who don't recede into their closets and stay there with the doors closed and the lights out.

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The Left claims Republicans can't define "woke." Well, how's this? pic.twitter.com/KrH1yU1vxe

— Vivek Ramaswamy (@VivekGRamaswamy) April 21, 2023

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What "basic civil rights" do gays not have? Please share

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Katz…having a hard time coming up with any answers or are you off the clock?

Here is the Disney complaint.https://t.co/nyoTcY2q5i I must confess that I am underwhelmed and still do not understand the long-term strategy in doubling down on this fight with Florida...https://t.co/keaiVX6JBu

— Jonathan Turley (@JonathanTurley) April 27, 2023

...The free speech claims are equally challenging since the company is not being limited in speaking out. The underlying question remains the same: is the state allowed to force Disney to comply with the same laws as other companies.

— Jonathan Turley (@JonathanTurley) April 27, 2023

Fre3dombear said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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J.B.Katz said:

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Never been a big Disney fan, though their animated movies in the 80s and 90s are great & many of their additions to the Star Wars portfolio good. Andor was great.

The idea of paying what you pay for a few days at Disney World, a cost that goes up a lot if you also pay to avoid the lines, never computed when there are so many other great vacay options in uncrowded locations that don't involve standing in line in the Florida heat for an 8-minute ride.

But Disney runs a tight ship, delivers a reliable experience people return for again and again plus they have a juggernaut movie portfolio.

Why would DeSantis take them on? I can't see any big wins for him, and now he stands to be humiliated in court. Plus this kills any pretention that Republicans are the party of small government and freedom.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/26/business/disney-desantis-board-florida.html

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Disney has apparently not learned a damn thing. Parents don't want their young children sexualized and indoctrinated. What Disney refers to as "Don't say gay!".

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Disney (and all companies) sell to their customers. I don't know who that is but I assume they know.

If that customer is gay, shouldn't they have events for them. Speak for them?

As you know, I'm not every going to the Noah's Arc thing. Why would they care what I think about that attraction?

As a citizen company, they have every right to disagree with their government and to express that disagreement.

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Like Budweiser just did? Lol

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Bud didn't understand their customer. (Or anticipate this backlash).

Truth is, Disney is out of reach for many of the people complaining. And for many who can afford it, it's never been a desired destination. Personally, I've been twice but would never plan it for myself or my family.

In the end, Bud will be fine. Once something that requires beer drinking occurs (Memorial Day Weekend), people will again buy their beer.

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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J.B.Katz said:

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Never been a big Disney fan, though their animated movies in the 80s and 90s are great & many of their additions to the Star Wars portfolio good. Andor was great.

The idea of paying what you pay for a few days at Disney World, a cost that goes up a lot if you also pay to avoid the lines, never computed when there are so many other great vacay options in uncrowded locations that don't involve standing in line in the Florida heat for an 8-minute ride.

But Disney runs a tight ship, delivers a reliable experience people return for again and again plus they have a juggernaut movie portfolio.

Why would DeSantis take them on? I can't see any big wins for him, and now he stands to be humiliated in court. Plus this kills any pretention that Republicans are the party of small government and freedom.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/26/business/disney-desantis-board-florida.html

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Disney has apparently not learned a damn thing. Parents don't want their young children sexualized and indoctrinated. What Disney refers to as "Don't say gay!".

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Disney (and all companies) sell to their customers. I don't know who that is but I assume they know.

If that customer is gay, shouldn't they have events for them. Speak for them?

As you know, I'm not every going to the Noah's Arc thing. Why would they care what I think about that attraction?

As a citizen company, they have every right to disagree with their government and to express that disagreement.

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This post reminds me of one of my favorite memes from recent years. Shows Star Trek's Jean Luc Piccard pointing. He says:

" Okay........Congratulations.......you are gay! Now S T F U and just go be gay!!!!!".

No. I don't think Disney should cater to gay folks. Or Trans folks. Or even heterosexual folks. They need to cater to children. Kids need to be allowed to be kids.

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That's just it. Kids don't buy tickets. That's **** is for adults and they drag their kids along.

I've been there twice. It's a fantastic experience but I'd never go on my own. Not my thing. And because, my kid hasn't been. I'm not their customer. Therefore, my kid wasn't their customer.

I, however, know adults who just love the place. It's magic to them. When they off'd Jimmy the Cricket, I was done.

Was that woke?

Jack Bauer said:

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look at this ****

Hey @Disney, my home state will happily accept your 70,000+ jobs if you want to leave Florida.

We’ve got great weather, great people, and it’s always a great day in South Carolina!

SC’s not woke, but we’re not sanctimonious about it either. pic.twitter.com/uf1PWQjGc5

— Nikki Haley (@NikkiHaley) April 26, 2023

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She is like a walking talking manifestation come to life of what is wrong with the establishment GOP.

Its like she was grown in a corporate lab with a blue print made by the Chamber of Commerce.


p.s.

Like someone said in the comments: "Conservatism is progressivism driving the speed limit"

That is Nikki "Nimarata" Haley

Disney uses its massive corporate power to insist on sexual indoctrination for young children.

DeSantis fires back, protecting FL families.

Then, every power center in America…defends Disney! Including at least three GOP presidential candidates.

Very telling. https://t.co/IZCB7OUQyP

— Steve Cortes (@CortesSteve) April 30, 2023

Disney is not entitled to special tax benefits. If they're going to get involved in the politics of the state, and take a position in direct opposition to the state legislature and governor, all of whom are elected officials and therefore represent the will of the people of the state, they shouldn't be surprised when those special benefits are revoked. Disney will lose this suit and lose bad. They have no leg to stand on whatsoever.

Jinx, are you in favor of churches and other non-profits now being allowed to take open political stances while also maintaining their tax exempt status? Because that is what you're arguing for. Somehow, I doubt it.

Biden has repeated that same old non-descript mantra of "pay your fair share" in reference to unnamed companies that are supposedly avoiding taxes to the detriment of the common man. Here is an example of one of the biggest companies on the planet quite literally receiving special tax status and not paying "their fair share" and democrats line up to defend them.

J.B.Katz said:

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Never been a big Disney fan, though their animated movies in the 80s and 90s are great & many of their additions to the Star Wars portfolio good. Andor was great.

The idea of paying what you pay for a few days at Disney World, a cost that goes up a lot if you also pay to avoid the lines, never computed when there are so many other great vacay options in uncrowded locations that don't involve standing in line in the Florida heat for an 8-minute ride.

But Disney runs a tight ship, delivers a reliable experience people return for again and again plus they have a juggernaut movie portfolio.

Why would DeSantis take them on? I can't see any big wins for him, and now he stands to be humiliated in court. Plus this kills any pretention that Republicans are the party of small government and freedom.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/26/business/disney-desantis-board-florida.html

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Remember when libs used to hate the concept of corporations receiving special treatment from the government?

Now you love it when they do your cultural bidding.

Shame on you.

Doc Holliday said:

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J.B.Katz said:

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Never been a big Disney fan, though their animated movies in the 80s and 90s are great & many of their additions to the Star Wars portfolio good. Andor was great.

The idea of paying what you pay for a few days at Disney World, a cost that goes up a lot if you also pay to avoid the lines, never computed when there are so many other great vacay options in uncrowded locations that don't involve standing in line in the Florida heat for an 8-minute ride.

But Disney runs a tight ship, delivers a reliable experience people return for again and again plus they have a juggernaut movie portfolio.

Why would DeSantis take them on? I can't see any big wins for him, and now he stands to be humiliated in court. Plus this kills any pretention that Republicans are the party of small government and freedom.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/26/business/disney-desantis-board-florida.html

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Remember when libs used to hate the concept of corporations receiving special treatment from the government?

Now you love it when they do your cultural bidding.

Shame on you.

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Only when they thought that corporations were not on their side in the struggle of hegemonic cultural liberalism.

Now that Corporate America is all on board...they are fine with it.

Disney has a serious problem. Certain kinds of people gravitate towards it. pic.twitter.com/3zaqpPUumF

— Ian Miles Cheong (@stillgray) June 28, 2023

Disney is pure evil pic.twitter.com/42857i0Ztz

— illuminatibot (@iluminatibot) June 29, 2023

What in the ever loving fuck is going on at Disney https://t.co/zrfXLcK61L

— Bushwhacker (@anglotradboy) June 30, 2023

99.95% of people who have ever lived can relate to romance, and I think it's extremely weird that Disney wants to cut something so fundamental to the human experience out of their movies https://t.co/Prv36dzEas

— Sherman McCoy (@wasphyxiation) July 24, 2023

There are so many idiots who deny there is a nefarious agenda. They always say "it's all about money". No, the agenda is actually exorbitantly expensive yet they still pursue it https://t.co/ELKNDUfeip

— Cyberpunk Sense 👑 (@napoleon21st) November 27, 2023

There's a poignant moment near the end of That Hideous Strength where Frost, who is possessed by a demon, is instructed to lock himself in a room and set the room on fire.

He has a moment of lucidity; he senses the will of Jesus offering to save him from this fate. All he has to… https://t.co/Dm6YZX6TxW

— Zero HP Lovecraft 🦅🐍 (@0x49fa98) November 27, 2023