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Wangchung said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Rarely if ever have I said we should give Democrats what they want. In this case, it makes perfect sense. For all of us. We should throw in a free $100 Visa gift card for Progressive Liberal "women" to abort their unborn children.

I post this with the joy of a new grandson that is two months old. He is truly a gift from God.I can promise he will always be my grandson and not suddenly convert to being my granddaughter.

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Does 47 know you got into his wine?

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Please don't tell him! He was busy cooking weenies for migrants.

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Found footage of that.

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Now, that was a movie...

Ouch, my heart 😭 pic.twitter.com/7T20TnjPI5

— Women Being Awful (@WomenBeingAwful) May 9, 2024

I'm no medical expert but it seems to me that it's quite rare for a woman's life to be threatened by a pregnancy and I've heard that some doctors say it never happens. That's one of those difficult areas.

The pro-death crowd always seem to be looking for more reasons to kill or harm the innocent.

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I'm no medical expert but it seems to me that it's quite rare for a woman's life to be threatened by a pregnancy and I've heard that some doctors say it never happens. That's one of those difficult areas.

The pro-death crowd always seem to be looking for more reasons to kill or harm the innocent.

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It is rare, but it does happen from time to time.

Here is one example:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8000005/

But if we get to the point where we've stopped using unrestricted abortion as a retroactive form of birth control and leave this door open, I'll say it's a just outcome...at least as just as we mere mortals can manage.

Abortion on demand is America's Holocaust. It's the moral equivalent.

historian said:

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Abortion on demand is America's Holocaust. It's the moral equivalent.

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Amen,

But numerically it's even worse.

6-8 million Jews were murdered during the Holocaust.

The USA has allowed at least 50 million children to be aborted/killed since 1973



https://iowastatedaily.com/177100/opinion/potratz-50-million-dead-babies-is-50-million-too-many/

historian said:

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Abortion on demand is America's Holocaust. It's the moral equivalent.

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Unfortunately many, if not most, of 18 years old and over, single women; do not share your opinion.

And many will vote for Biden regardless of any other issue.

KaiBear said:

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historian said:

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Abortion on demand is America's Holocaust. It's the moral equivalent.

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Unfortunately many, if not most, of 18 years old and over, single women; do not share your opinion.

And many will vote for Biden regardless of any other issue.

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Even barren non-childbearing grannies that will never become pregnant. Them Dem Grannies just love for women to be able to kill their unborn babies. They, of all people should root for Life. But they do the opposite. Shame on them. They are the most disgusting group of all.

Numerically the US is competing with Mao's China.

KaiBear said:

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historian said:

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Abortion on demand is America's Holocaust. It's the moral equivalent.

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Unfortunately many, if not most, of 18 years old and over, single women; do not share your opinion.

And many will vote for Biden regardless of any other issue.

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They have been brainwashed to believe they have a "right" to murder their babies and that it's their interest to do so.

Obviously, they are wrong just like the neo-Nazis shouting pro-Hamas propaganda. Thankfully for the country, they tend to vote in small numbers and America's younger voters, the sane ones, are turning away from the fascists and their evil, destructive policies.

historian said:

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KaiBear said:

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historian said:

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Abortion on demand is America's Holocaust. It's the moral equivalent.

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Unfortunately many, if not most, of 18 years old and over, single women; do not share your opinion.

And many will vote for Biden regardless of any other issue.

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Thankfully for the country, they tend to vote in small numbers and America's younger voters, the sane ones, are turning away from the fascists and their evil, destructive policies.

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Was under the impression that younger single women were the biggest supports of abortion and among the most vehemently opposed to Donald Trump.

KaiBear said:

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historian said:

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KaiBear said:

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historian said:

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Abortion on demand is America's Holocaust. It's the moral equivalent.

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Unfortunately many, if not most, of 18 years old and over, single women; do not share your opinion.

And many will vote for Biden regardless of any other issue.

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Thankfully for the country, they tend to vote in small numbers and America's younger voters, the sane ones, are turning away from the fascists and their evil, destructive policies.

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Was under the impression that younger single women were the biggest supports of abortion and among the most vehemently opposed to Donald Trump.

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Have you ever seen any of the "babes" protesting at some of these pro-life demonstrations? I don't want to sound cruel, but I would bet most of them haven't been with a man in recent years. I think most would be hard pressed to find someone to reproduce with!

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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KaiBear said:

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historian said:

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KaiBear said:

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historian said:

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Abortion on demand is America's Holocaust. It's the moral equivalent.

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Unfortunately many, if not most, of 18 years old and over, single women; do not share your opinion.

And many will vote for Biden regardless of any other issue.

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Thankfully for the country, they tend to vote in small numbers and America's younger voters, the sane ones, are turning away from the fascists and their evil, destructive policies.

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Was under the impression that younger single women were the biggest supports of abortion and among the most vehemently opposed to Donald Trump.

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Have you ever seen any of the "babes" protesting at some of these pro-life demonstrations? I don't want to sound cruel, but I would bet most of them haven't been with a man in recent years. I think most would be hard pressed to find someone to reproduce with!

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No argument.

But the majority of all younger single women strongly support abortion.

Not just the fat ones.

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/3953200-gun-rights-voters-move-over-with-abortion-women-and-youth-have-discovered-single-issue-voting/

For some reason many young women and many older women think they should be able to control the inside of their own body. I know its crazy.

Abortion has always existed At different times in history even the Catholic Church has allowed it. Laws dont prevent all abortion. It just makes it more dangerous. Home remedies like extreme exercise, various plants and drugs and coat hangers are dangerous. They can lead to infections, partial abortions, toxicity, etc. People thst vote against choice are not just making abortion more dangerous. Outlawing it just makes it more dangerous.

I dont like abortion, I dont recommend it to anyone that asks me. In my personal life I think we made the right decision. I am 63 and my oldest daughter is 48. We made a tough decision and the right one for us. I am glad the law allowed us a choice.

Maybe they are but younger Americans tend not to vote in large percentages compared to other demographics. In fact, I think they have the lowest turnout rate in November.

Considering Biden's obvious misogyny (inappropriate behavior around women for years & a grossly anti-women & unconstitutional Title IX policy), single women who pay attention might lose some enthusiasm for him. It's possible the voting numbers are skewed by young men who don't vote while young women vote in larger numbers. I don't know.

A more important group are the so-called soccer Mom's & I can see them turning against Biden, especially if they have daughters competing athletically. Plus, most groups are vehemently opposed to Biden's illegal aliens invasion. Any voter group that cares about the economy, crime, the border, education, and a bunch of other issues will have to take a long hard look at Biden's failures across the board. At least they will if they are honest about these things.

KaiBear said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/3953200-gun-rights-voters-move-over-with-abortion-women-and-youth-have-discovered-single-issue-voting/

For some reason many young women and many older women think they should be able to control the inside of their own body. I know its crazy.

Abortion has always existed At different times in history even the Catholic Church has allowed it. Laws dont prevent all abortion. It just makes it more dangerous. Home remedies like extreme exercise, various plants and drugs and coat hangers are dangerous. They can lead to infections, partial abortions, toxicity, etc. People thst vote against choice are not just making abortion more dangerous. Outlawing it just makes it more dangerous.

I dont like abortion, I dont recommend it to anyone that asks me. In my personal life I think we made the right decision. I am 63 and my oldest daughter is 48. We made a tough decision and the right one for us. I am glad the law allowed us a choice.

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The next 'choice' will be the coerced euthanasia of the elderly.

Count on it.

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Canada is almost there and some Americans want to go there too. The Nazis had "euthanasia" before the war. International fascists seem determined to repeat history because they refuse to learn from it, ignoring Santayana's famous warning.

Legal abortion is also dangerous, especially the drugs women take, although the propagandists hiss those facts. Women who have had an abortion tend to have a higher rate of cancer and other problems. They also tend to have psychological trauma as well while trying to cope with the guilt of having killed their own child.

historian said:

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I'm no medical expert but it seems to me that it's quite rare for a woman's life to be threatened by a pregnancy and I've heard that some doctors say it never happens. That's one of those difficult areas.

The pro-death crowd always seem to be looking for more reasons to kill or harm the innocent.

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As far rape/incest goes statistically those situations account for well under 2% of all pregnancies and I'm sure life of the mother issues are at most statistically minuscule as well. I personally tend to come down on the side of early term exceptions for those highly rare situations only. I don't understand the "it's my body and it's my choice" argument if the pregnancy is the result of anything other than rape or incest and the pregnancy doesn't truly threaten the mother's life as it seems to me "the choice" was made through consenting to unprotected sex, and we are also talking about a second body that isn't the mother's.

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Legal abortion is also dangerous, especially the drugs women take, although the propagandists hiss those facts. Women who have had an abortion tend to have a higher rate of cancer and other problems. They also tend to have psychological trauma as well while trying to cope with the guilt of having killed their own child.

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Legal abortion means that the procedure is provided in a clinic by a dr.

Illegal abortions are done with coat hangers, strong dose of potent herbs, extreme physical stress, etc.

Your last sentence applies to all abortions. No matter how strangers feel about it, a woman cant be forced to deliver a baby. Abortion is never the best choice, the healthiest choice or the moral choice. When the government takes away legal options many will turn to illegal options.


https://www.doctorswithoutborders.org/latest/unsafe-abortion-preventable-danger

In before some one asks how safe abortions are for the embryo. Both illegal and legal are very effective.

I think the Netherlands is killing more than just the elderly and Oregon has had some form of euthanasia for decades. Does anyone remember Dr Kivorkian? I don't think he was in Oregon but he got lots of national attention with his Mengele-like desire to kill people ("help them commit suicide"). If memory serves, some time after Oregon passed a law allowing doctors to kill some of their patients.

This is what happens with a culture of death: when it's considered a "right" to kill one's baby and done lives are deemed "unworthy of life." Just like the Nazi ideology that culminated in genocide.

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Exactly. The pro-death arguments are all bogus. They are using lies & deception to defend the indefensible. That's all they have because the truth would expose them for the butchers that they are.

If anyone had not seen the movie Unplanned, you should. It's about the only Planned Parenthood clinic ever to close its doors and it's located here in Central Texas. It's also about the director of that mini-Auschwitz becoming a Christian and a pro-life leader.

Another bogus argument. Clever but still fallacious. Preventing someone from murdering an innocent human is not the same as forcing them to do something. The fundamental purpose of the government is to protect our rights, all of us and all our rights, life being the most basic. Allowing nature to run its course, even if that means carrying a pregnancy to term, is not forcing anything upon someone.

In the final analysis it's about taking responsibility for one's actions and accepting the consequences of poor choices.

Again, let me be very clear:

THERE IS NO LEGITIMATE JUSTIFICATION FOR KILLING THE INNOCENT.

There is no argument anyone could make to change that. Abortion is barbaric & evil. Period.

historian said:

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I think the Netherlands is killing more than just the elderly and Oregon has had some form of euthanasia for decades. Does anyone remember Dr Kivorkian? I don't think he was in Oregon but he got lots of national attention with his Mengele-like desire to kill people ("help them commit suicide"). If memory serves, some time after Oregon passed a law allowing doctors to kill some of their patients.

This is what happens with a culture of death: when it's considered a "right" to kill one's baby and done lives are deemed "unworthy of life." Just like the Nazi ideology that culminated in genocide.

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I remember Dr Kivorkian.

Contradictory as this may seem I believe he gets a bad rap. As in every case he was sought out by patients with terminal illnesses and usually in great pain.

I am far more concerned when it's state bureaucrats doing the 'assisting'. Not necessarily to save the individual pain but rather to save the state money.

State bureaucrats trying to save money by killing people (or letting them die) is the inevitable result of the state taking over the health care system.

"Dr Death" deserved all the criticism he received: doctors should not be in the killing business. They used to say the Hippocratic oath when graduating for medical school. It meant something. I know people sought out "Jack the Dripper", although not all were terminal. Once people start deciding who lives and who dies, another inevitable result is the blurring of the lines concerning who deserves that "special care".

All these examples offer more scary parallels with the Nazis. They did all of the above but with more of a racial emphasis.

KaiBear said:

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historian said:

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I think the Netherlands is killing more than just the elderly and Oregon has had some form of euthanasia for decades. Does anyone remember Dr Kivorkian? I don't think he was in Oregon but he got lots of national attention with his Mengele-like desire to kill people ("help them commit suicide"). If memory serves, some time after Oregon passed a law allowing doctors to kill some of their patients.

This is what happens with a culture of death: when it's considered a "right" to kill one's baby and done lives are deemed "unworthy of life." Just like the Nazi ideology that culminated in genocide.

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I remember Dr Kivorkian.

Contradictory as this may seem I believe he gets a bad rap. As in every case he was sought out by patients with terminal illnesses and usually in great pain.

I am far more concerned when it's state bureaucrats doing the 'assisting'. Not necessarily to save the individual pain but rather to save the state money.

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Seeking out a middleman to take your life seems a little bit clinical and measured to me. Seems a little inappropriate and weird.

If you are ready to check out, just do it! All by yourself. Don't leave your family a big mess to clean up. And DEFINITELY don't set yourself on fire!

You really think that changing the position on abortion will matter when then dems are just going to steal another election?

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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KaiBear said:

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historian said:

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I think the Netherlands is killing more than just the elderly and Oregon has had some form of euthanasia for decades. Does anyone remember Dr Kivorkian? I don't think he was in Oregon but he got lots of national attention with his Mengele-like desire to kill people ("help them commit suicide"). If memory serves, some time after Oregon passed a law allowing doctors to kill some of their patients.

This is what happens with a culture of death: when it's considered a "right" to kill one's baby and done lives are deemed "unworthy of life." Just like the Nazi ideology that culminated in genocide.

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I remember Dr Kivorkian.

Contradictory as this may seem I believe he gets a bad rap. As in every case he was sought out by patients with terminal illnesses and usually in great pain.

I am far more concerned when it's state bureaucrats doing the 'assisting'. Not necessarily to save the individual pain but rather to save the state money.

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Seeking out a middleman to take your life seems a little bit clinical and measured to me. Seems a little inappropriate and weird.

If you are ready to check out, just do it! All by yourself. Don't leave your family a big mess to clean up. And DEFINITELY don't set yourself on fire!

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I agree, It does seem weird. But if you are in a hospital you may not have the means to make a choice.

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Another bogus argument. Clever but still fallacious. Preventing someone from murdering an innocent human is not the same as forcing them to do something. The fundamental purpose of the government is to protect our rights, all of us and all our rights, life being the most basic. Allowing nature to run its course, even if that means carrying a pregnancy to term, is not forcing anything upon someone.

In the final analysis it's about taking responsibility for one's actions and accepting the consequences of poor choices.

Again, let me be very clear:

THERE IS NO LEGITIMATE JUSTIFICATION FOR KILLING THE INNOCENT.

There is no argument anyone could make to change that. Abortion is barbaric & evil. Period.

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Abortion has existed as long as mankind. You writing your opinion in capital letters, while impressive and dramatic, dioesnt change the fact that you cant make decisions for others. You can take away a safe way and condemn them to knitting needles , wire hangers, caustic drinks or excessive exercise. I made my choice and I am happy with it. I chose life.

It is a personal decision and no matter how intensely you want to force others to believe as you believe, you cant. We cant make a woman continue through a pregnancy she doesnt want. Only a woman can do that. We can condemn them, torture them, make them look at gross pics, march in parades shouting personal beliefs, fine drs that help them, pass laws till we run out of paper. Abortion will happen. It happened in 1550 BC and it will happen somewhere today.

We can pray. We can help the women that feel they dont have a choice. We can shame women that get pregnant without the means to care for it. We can ridicule women that hook up with sorry ass men that wont take responsibility for their part .in creating an embryo. But in the end we cant force a woman to have a baby.