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"I used to be a staunch supporter of the Israeli state.

But there is a growing tide of anti-Christian behavior that the Israeli government only feigns interest in.

I know an former Israeli citizen here in Pensacola who was born into a Jewish family, repented and followed Christ, and was cutoff by his entire family who is politically close to Netanyahu. He was telling us about how converts from Judaism to Christianity are hated and mistreated. This is in addition to many Jewish and Orthodox hardliners not hiding their disdain for Christian mission work..... there are Orthodox men spitting on nuns, priests, and known Christian lay people of all Christian denominations in Israel.

If Israel is not going to protect the human rights of it's Christian population, we should have ZERO interest in propping up it's government. It's sad because both the Jews and Muslims abuse Christians with near impunity in the Middle East."

https://www.israeltoday.co.il/read/why-are-jews-attacking-christians-in-jerusalem/

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LOL that is not an Israeli problem……

The world finds news and exciting ways to surprise me. https://t.co/SBt7OD3rOT

— Battle Beagle (@HarmlessYardDog) July 18, 2023

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The world finds news and exciting ways to surprise me. https://t.co/SBt7OD3rOT

— Battle Beagle (@HarmlessYardDog) July 18, 2023

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what is the point here? How is Israeli-on-Israeli political hyperbole that gets a guy kicked out of Likud relevant to the subject of the thread ?

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If the Palestinians ceased fighting today, there would be peace. If the Israelis ceased fighting today, there would be no more Israel or Jews in that land.

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1. Would there be? The Israelis would stop building settlements on Palestinian land in the West Bank if they stopped resisting?

2. What do you mean by no more Israel? They have nuclear weapons...who exactly is trying to destroy the State of Israel? And how would they accomplish that?

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You are just a straight out contrarian, aren't you?

Is there ANY US foreign policy position you do agree with?

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If the Palestinians ceased fighting today, there would be peace. If the Israelis ceased fighting today, there would be no more Israel or Jews in that land.

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1. Would there be? The Israelis would stop building settlements on Palestinian land in the West Bank if they stopped resisting?

2. What do you mean by no more Israel? They have nuclear weapons...who exactly is trying to destroy the State of Israel? And how would they accomplish that?

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You are just a straight out contrarian, aren't you?

Is there ANY US foreign policy position you do agree with?

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I am not a contrarian at all really. Legitimate criticism of U.S. foreign policy is of course legitimate and not even "contrarian"

The US government is involved in lots of foreign policy positions all many fronts. Many I agree with.

In fact the official US government view on the Israel-Palestine conflict is one I completely agree with.


[Biden Administration officials have said that any further U.S. efforts to assist Israeli normalization with Muslim-majority countries would seek to preserve the viability of a negotiated two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict

• The Biden administration has reaffirmed U.S. support for a two-state solution and has advocated for the restart of negotiations. It has promoted Israeli-Arab normalization and resumed aid for Palestinians.]

[The United States on Sunday said it was "deeply troubled" by Israeli plans to advance West Bank settlements that explicitly violate previous commitments made by Israel to the Biden administration.]

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The world finds news and exciting ways to surprise me. https://t.co/SBt7OD3rOT

— Battle Beagle (@HarmlessYardDog) July 18, 2023

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what is the point here? How is Israeli-on-Israeli political hyperbole that gets a guy kicked out of Likud relevant to the subject of the thread ?

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Internal Israeli political conflicts (between Conservatives/Nationalists and Hasidic, between Liberals and Conservatives/Nationalists, or Hasidics and Liberals)

Are of course relevant to the conflict. Since who controls Israeli politics determines if there will be any peace process or an end to illegal Israeli settlements in the West Bank.

There is a peace process, but the Palestinians refuse to acknowledge the right of Israel to exist, so there is no progress toward peace.

The settlement policy is a good one, logical and rational and fair. All the Palestinians have to do to stop it is to agree to peace with Israel. But they won't. So the settlements will continue. At some point, Israel will control the West Bank, which it needs to to ensure its survival in the face of an enemy who will not relent.

Peace really is up to the Palestinians. You should be talking to them.

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There is a peace process, but the Palestinians refuse to acknowledge the right of Israel to exist, so there is no progress toward peace.

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Do you bother doing any research before you start shilling for Israel?

[Following the Oslo I Accord in 1993, the Palestinian Authority and Israel conditionally recognized each other's right to govern specific areas of the country. This boosted Israel's legal authority and legitimacy on the international stage.]

[Palestine officially recognizes Israel's existence and has done so since 1993]

[In 2011 Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas said in a speech to the Dutch Parliament that "the Palestinian people recognize Israel's right to exist and they hope for peace and security for all"



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It's actual Israel that refuses to accept and recognize the existence of a sovereign Palestinian State.

[Israeli government ministers Naftali Bennett and Danny Danon have repeatedly rejected the creation of a Palestinian state, with Bennett stating "I will do everything in my power to make sure they never get a state."

In June 2016 a poll showed that only 4 out of 20 Israeli ministers accepted the state of Palestine's right to exist

In June 2009, US president Barack Obama said "Israelis must acknowledge that just as Israel's right to exist cannot be denied, neither can Palestine's."

[In November 2001, Ariel Sharon was the first Israeli Prime Minister to proclaim that a possible Palestinian state might be the solution to the conflict and the goal of his administration. The government headed by Ehud Olmert repeated the same objective. Following the inauguration of the present Netanyahu government in 2009, the government again claimed that a Palestinian state posed a danger for Israel]

Imagine that you are running for President of the United States, and your prime message is that, if the world knew nothing else, America stood with a foreign power. https://t.co/FMzVO4YjcY

— RAMZPAUL (@ramzpaul) July 18, 2023

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There is a peace process, but the Palestinians refuse to acknowledge the right of Israel to exist, so there is no progress toward peace.

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Do you bother doing any research before you start shilling for Israel?

[Following the Oslo I Accord in 1993, the Palestinian Authority and Israel conditionally recognized each other's right to govern specific areas of the country. This boosted Israel's legal authority and legitimacy on the international stage.]

[Palestine officially recognizes Israel's existence and has done so since 1993]

[In 2011 Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas said in a speech to the Dutch Parliament that "the Palestinian people recognize Israel's right to exist and they hope for peace and security for all"



p.s.

It's actual Israel that refuses to accept and recognize the existence of a sovereign Palestinian State.

[Israeli government ministers Naftali Bennett and Danny Danon have repeatedly rejected the creation of a Palestinian state, with Bennett stating "I will do everything in my power to make sure they never get a state."

In June 2016 a poll showed that only 4 out of 20 Israeli ministers accepted the state of Palestine's right to exist

In June 2009, US president Barack Obama said "Israelis must acknowledge that just as Israel's right to exist cannot be denied, neither can Palestine's."

[In November 2001, Ariel Sharon was the first Israeli Prime Minister to proclaim that a possible Palestinian state might be the solution to the conflict and the goal of his administration. The government headed by Ehud Olmert repeated the same objective. Following the inauguration of the present Netanyahu government in 2009, the government again claimed that a Palestinian state posed a danger for Israel]

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You are ignoring the Gaza Strip which is not controlled by the PO but by Hamas supported by Iran. Do not make peace with the motte and think you've have conquered the bailey.

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There is a peace process, but the Palestinians refuse to acknowledge the right of Israel to exist, so there is no progress toward peace.

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Do you bother doing any research before you start shilling for Israel?

[Following the Oslo I Accord in 1993, the Palestinian Authority and Israel conditionally recognized each other's right to govern specific areas of the country. This boosted Israel's legal authority and legitimacy on the international stage.]

[Palestine officially recognizes Israel's existence and has done so since 1993]

[In 2011 Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas said in a speech to the Dutch Parliament that "the Palestinian people recognize Israel's right to exist and they hope for peace and security for all"



p.s.

It's actual Israel that refuses to accept and recognize the existence of a sovereign Palestinian State.

[Israeli government ministers Naftali Bennett and Danny Danon have repeatedly rejected the creation of a Palestinian state, with Bennett stating "I will do everything in my power to make sure they never get a state."

In June 2016 a poll showed that only 4 out of 20 Israeli ministers accepted the state of Palestine's right to exist

In June 2009, US president Barack Obama said "Israelis must acknowledge that just as Israel's right to exist cannot be denied, neither can Palestine's."

[In November 2001, Ariel Sharon was the first Israeli Prime Minister to proclaim that a possible Palestinian state might be the solution to the conflict and the goal of his administration. The government headed by Ehud Olmert repeated the same objective. Following the inauguration of the present Netanyahu government in 2009, the government again claimed that a Palestinian state posed a danger for Israel]

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You are ignoring the Gaza Strip which is not controlled by the PO but by Hamas supported by Iran. Do not make peace with the motte and think you've have conquered the bailey.

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Sounds like the perfect excuse then go not give the Palestinians (3 million people) their homeland in the West Bank and continue the illegal endless Israeli occupation there....while grapping more land for Jewish settlements.

Since we can't possibly have peace since Gaza still have people fighting Israeli forces.

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whiterock said:

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There is a peace process, but the Palestinians refuse to acknowledge the right of Israel to exist, so there is no progress toward peace.

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Do you bother doing any research before you start shilling for Israel?

[Following the Oslo I Accord in 1993, the Palestinian Authority and Israel conditionally recognized each other's right to govern specific areas of the country. This boosted Israel's legal authority and legitimacy on the international stage.]

[Palestine officially recognizes Israel's existence and has done so since 1993]

[In 2011 Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas said in a speech to the Dutch Parliament that "the Palestinian people recognize Israel's right to exist and they hope for peace and security for all"



p.s.

It's actual Israel that refuses to accept and recognize the existence of a sovereign Palestinian State.

[Israeli government ministers Naftali Bennett and Danny Danon have repeatedly rejected the creation of a Palestinian state, with Bennett stating "I will do everything in my power to make sure they never get a state."

In June 2016 a poll showed that only 4 out of 20 Israeli ministers accepted the state of Palestine's right to exist

In June 2009, US president Barack Obama said "Israelis must acknowledge that just as Israel's right to exist cannot be denied, neither can Palestine's."

[In November 2001, Ariel Sharon was the first Israeli Prime Minister to proclaim that a possible Palestinian state might be the solution to the conflict and the goal of his administration. The government headed by Ehud Olmert repeated the same objective. Following the inauguration of the present Netanyahu government in 2009, the government again claimed that a Palestinian state posed a danger for Israel]

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You are ignoring the Gaza Strip which is not controlled by the PO but by Hamas supported by Iran. Do not make peace with the motte and think you've have conquered the bailey.

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Sounds like the perfect excuse then go not give the Palestinians (3 million people) their homeland in the West Bank and continue the illegal endless Israeli occupation there....while grapping more land for Jewish settlements.

Since we can't possibly have peace since Gaza still have people fighting Israeli forces.

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That's correct.

Within context that Israel will never have easily defensible borders, leaving the West Bank in hostile control makes Israel impossible to defend. Israel has an obvious, understandable imperative to control the West Bank. The unwillingness of political leadership in Gaza to join with the PO to pursue peace and instead continue the fight against Israel frees up Israeli hands to hold onto the West Bank. Yes, the settlements are contentious. But they are a peaceful solution to the problem, are they not? Palestinians and Israelis live in peace in Israel, why can they not do the same in the West Bank? Over time, Israelis may become a majority in the West Bank and then choose to formally join Israel, thereby giving the WB Palestinians franchise in the most successful democracy in the Middle East rather than in some even less economically viable enclave in a constant state of war. And even if Israel is to face a worse case, a surrender of the West Bank to unified Palestinian control, doesn't the presence of long established Israeli settlements there greatly complicate Palestinian options for conflict? We now have Jews who have lived there as long as many of the Palestinians living there. Who would have the courage to recommend an ethnic cleansing to restore former population balances (a scenario you have sharply criticized in Ukraine).....

At every turn, Israel is taking steps toward peace. Just not a peace the Palestinians would prefer. So Israel will continue doing what it can to improve its security position, to include settlements in the West Bank. If the Palestinans want those settlements to stop, then they...all of them...should lay down their weapons. IF not, there will be peace via another route.

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There is a peace process, but the Palestinians refuse to acknowledge the right of Israel to exist, so there is no progress toward peace.

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Do you bother doing any research before you start shilling for Israel?

[Following the Oslo I Accord in 1993, the Palestinian Authority and Israel conditionally recognized each other's right to govern specific areas of the country. This boosted Israel's legal authority and legitimacy on the international stage.]

[Palestine officially recognizes Israel's existence and has done so since 1993]

[In 2011 Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas said in a speech to the Dutch Parliament that "the Palestinian people recognize Israel's right to exist and they hope for peace and security for all"



p.s.

It's actual Israel that refuses to accept and recognize the existence of a sovereign Palestinian State.

[Israeli government ministers Naftali Bennett and Danny Danon have repeatedly rejected the creation of a Palestinian state, with Bennett stating "I will do everything in my power to make sure they never get a state."

In June 2016 a poll showed that only 4 out of 20 Israeli ministers accepted the state of Palestine's right to exist

In June 2009, US president Barack Obama said "Israelis must acknowledge that just as Israel's right to exist cannot be denied, neither can Palestine's."

[In November 2001, Ariel Sharon was the first Israeli Prime Minister to proclaim that a possible Palestinian state might be the solution to the conflict and the goal of his administration. The government headed by Ehud Olmert repeated the same objective. Following the inauguration of the present Netanyahu government in 2009, the government again claimed that a Palestinian state posed a danger for Israel]

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You are ignoring the Gaza Strip which is not controlled by the PO but by Hamas supported by Iran. Do not make peace with the motte and think you've have conquered the bailey.

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Sounds like the perfect excuse then go not give the Palestinians (3 million people) their homeland in the West Bank and continue the illegal endless Israeli occupation there....while grapping more land for Jewish settlements.

Since we can't possibly have peace since Gaza still have people fighting Israeli forces.

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That's correct.

Within context that Israel will never have easily defensible borders, leaving the West Bank in hostile control makes Israel impossible to defend. Israel has an obvious, understandable imperative to control the West Bank. The unwillingness of political leadership in Gaza to join with the PO to pursue peace and instead continue the fight against Israel frees up Israeli hands to hold onto the West Bank. Yes, the settlements are contentious. But they are a peaceful solution to the problem, are they not? Palestinians and Israelis live in peace in Israel, why can they not do the same in the West Bank? Over time, Israelis may become a majority in the West Bank and then choose to formally join Israel, thereby giving the WB Palestinians franchise in the most successful democracy in the Middle East rather than in some even less economically viable enclave in a constant state of war. And even if Israel is to face a worse case, a surrender of the West Bank to unified Palestinian control, doesn't the presence of long established Israeli settlements there greatly complicate Palestinian options for conflict? We now have Jews who have lived there as long as many of the Palestinians living there. Who would have the courage to recommend an ethnic cleansing to restore former population balances (a scenario you have sharply criticized in Ukraine).....

At every turn, Israel is taking steps toward peace.

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Conquering the West Bank and keeping millions of Palestinians under endless military occupation while you illegally move your settlers into their land is not "taking steps toward peace"

It would be more honest of you if you would just come out and say you want ethnic cleansing of the West Bank (Arabs out and Jews in)....so that Israel can expand its territorial size.

Israel has no legal or moral right to control the West Bank forever....and demographically they can't.

To hold on to this land is now considered by the world community to be grossly immoral and illegal....and they are going to have to give up the game one day and let the Palestinians have their own State.

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There is a peace process, but the Palestinians refuse to acknowledge the right of Israel to exist, so there is no progress toward peace.

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Do you bother doing any research before you start shilling for Israel?

[Following the Oslo I Accord in 1993, the Palestinian Authority and Israel conditionally recognized each other's right to govern specific areas of the country. This boosted Israel's legal authority and legitimacy on the international stage.]

[Palestine officially recognizes Israel's existence and has done so since 1993]

[In 2011 Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas said in a speech to the Dutch Parliament that "the Palestinian people recognize Israel's right to exist and they hope for peace and security for all"



p.s.

It's actual Israel that refuses to accept and recognize the existence of a sovereign Palestinian State.

[Israeli government ministers Naftali Bennett and Danny Danon have repeatedly rejected the creation of a Palestinian state, with Bennett stating "I will do everything in my power to make sure they never get a state."

In June 2016 a poll showed that only 4 out of 20 Israeli ministers accepted the state of Palestine's right to exist

In June 2009, US president Barack Obama said "Israelis must acknowledge that just as Israel's right to exist cannot be denied, neither can Palestine's."

[In November 2001, Ariel Sharon was the first Israeli Prime Minister to proclaim that a possible Palestinian state might be the solution to the conflict and the goal of his administration. The government headed by Ehud Olmert repeated the same objective. Following the inauguration of the present Netanyahu government in 2009, the government again claimed that a Palestinian state posed a danger for Israel]

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You are ignoring the Gaza Strip which is not controlled by the PO but by Hamas supported by Iran. Do not make peace with the motte and think you've have conquered the bailey.

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Sounds like the perfect excuse then go not give the Palestinians (3 million people) their homeland in the West Bank and continue the illegal endless Israeli occupation there....while grapping more land for Jewish settlements.

Since we can't possibly have peace since Gaza still have people fighting Israeli forces.

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That's correct.

Within context that Israel will never have easily defensible borders, leaving the West Bank in hostile control makes Israel impossible to defend. Israel has an obvious, understandable imperative to control the West Bank. The unwillingness of political leadership in Gaza to join with the PO to pursue peace and instead continue the fight against Israel frees up Israeli hands to hold onto the West Bank. Yes, the settlements are contentious. But they are a peaceful solution to the problem, are they not? Palestinians and Israelis live in peace in Israel, why can they not do the same in the West Bank? Over time, Israelis may become a majority in the West Bank and then choose to formally join Israel, thereby giving the WB Palestinians franchise in the most successful democracy in the Middle East rather than in some even less economically viable enclave in a constant state of war. And even if Israel is to face a worse case, a surrender of the West Bank to unified Palestinian control, doesn't the presence of long established Israeli settlements there greatly complicate Palestinian options for conflict? We now have Jews who have lived there as long as many of the Palestinians living there. Who would have the courage to recommend an ethnic cleansing to restore former population balances (a scenario you have sharply criticized in Ukraine).....

At every turn, Israel is taking steps toward peace.

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Conquering the West Bank and keeping millions of Palestinians under endless military occupation while you illegally move your settlers into their land is not "taking steps toward peace"

It would be more honest of you if you would just come out and say you want ethnic cleansing of the West Bank (Arabs out and Jew in)....so that Israel can expand its territorial size.

Israel has not legal or moral right to control the West Bank forever....and demographically they can't.

To hold on to this land is now considered by the world community to be grossly immoral and illegal....and they are going to have to give up the game one day and let the Palestinians have their own State.

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The conquering part has already been done. Israel's enemies have attacked them multiple times, from multiple places, including from the West Bank. The Palestinians refuse to make peace, so that leaves Israel in control of the land in question. And they are administering it peacefully, for decades, with policies that will make war harder in the future.

The world community understands exactly what I am saying. They will give lip service to other narratives, but nobody, not event the Arab world, is doing anything about. In fact, more and more Arab nations have found peace with Israel, who is bearing the brunt of a hopeless Palestinian jihad that will not acknowledge the existence of the state of Israel.

Don't fall for the propaganda. It causes you to beat upon the good guy rather than the real problem.

How is this not election interference? pic.twitter.com/pN2atIPbgE

— Lucas Gage (@Lucas_Gage_) July 18, 2023

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How is this not election interference? pic.twitter.com/pN2atIPbgE

— Lucas Gage (@Lucas_Gage_) July 18, 2023

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LOL an American PAC with an American board of directors, an American Executive Director, and over 100,000 American members raising money from a list of American donors.....for the purpose of lobbying elected officials on American foreign policy is now election interference?

Man, you have some serious Israel hate going on.

A simple summary of the conflict in Israel: pic.twitter.com/IKZTgSFLds

— Joel M. Petlin (@Joelmpetlin) July 19, 2023

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How is this not election interference? pic.twitter.com/pN2atIPbgE

— Lucas Gage (@Lucas_Gage_) July 18, 2023

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LOL an American PAC with an American board of directors, an American Executive Director,

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All lobbying for increasing the power and wealth of a foreign country....at US taxpayer expense.


If this was a PAC with the sole purpose of increasing US taxpayer funding for Russia or China we all know you would be singing a different tune. No matter who was running it.

House Overwhelmingly Passes Resolution Supporting Israel in Rebuke to Progressive Leader


The House of Representatives voted overwhelmingly to pass a resolution supporting Israel after Congressional Progressive Caucus leader Pramila Jayapal (D., Wash.) drew backlash for calling the democratic nation and U.S. ally "a racist state."

In a vote of 412 to 9, the lower chamber resolved that "the State of Israel is not a racist or apartheid state; Congress rejects all forms of antisemitism and xenophobia; and the United States will always be a staunch partner and supporter of Israel."

The members of Congress who voted against the resolution were Democratic representatives Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez of New York, Rashida Tlaib of Michigan, Ilhan Omar of Minnesota, Summer Lee of Pennsylvania, Jamaal Bowman of New York, Cori Bush of Missouri, Andre Carson of Indiana, Delia Ramirez of Illinois, and Ayanna Pressley of Massachusetts.

Jayapal herself, who had to apologize for her remarks, voted for the pro-Israel resolution.

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/house-overwhelmingly-passes-resolution-supporting-israel-in-rebuke-to-progressive-leader/

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How is this not election interference? pic.twitter.com/pN2atIPbgE

— Lucas Gage (@Lucas_Gage_) July 18, 2023

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LOL an American PAC with an American board of directors, an American Executive Director, and over 100,000 American members raising money from a list of American donors.....for the purpose of lobbying elected officials on American foreign policy is now election interference?

Man, you have some serious Israel hate going on.

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Exactly right. Maybe some 1st Amendment hate, too

Interestingly enough, I was in Lebanon in April. Our hosts were of the Lebanese Christian variety. We were able to tour some Hezbollah territory (had security). They told us that we could not use the word "Israel". if you wanted to refer to that country, you had to refer to it as "occupied Palestine " I just found it very interesting.

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How is this not election interference? pic.twitter.com/pN2atIPbgE

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LOL an American PAC with an American board of directors, an American Executive Director, and over 100,000 American members raising money from a list of American donors.....for the purpose of lobbying elected officials on American foreign policy is now election interference?

Man, you have some serious Israel hate going on.

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Exactly right. Maybe some 1st Amendment hate, too

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American citizens have every right to support a racist Jewish supremacist state that engages in war crimes and illegally occupies another State....against international law.

That this their right…but they will also get called out for being trash humans and having at best duel loyalty…if not straight up putting a foreign nation's priorities above our own.

Can’t afford your high interest mortgage?

Cost of Bread rose 11.5%?

Critical Flight for job interview canceled due to lack of pilots?

Drowning in student debt from a university scam?

Republicans are here to help pic.twitter.com/Jt1exK6zbI

— E (@ElijahSchaffer) July 19, 2023

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Interestingly enough, I was in Lebanon in April. Our hosts were of the Lebanese Christian variety. We were able to tour some Hezbollah territory (had security). They told us that we could not use the word "Israel". if you wanted to refer to that country, you had to refer to it as "occupied Palestine " I just found it very interesting.

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Envious

Would jump at the opportunity to tour Lebanon.

is mike pence running for president of israel? pic.twitter.com/u12XCzixC9

— Logan Hall (@loganclarkhall) July 19, 2023

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How is this not election interference? pic.twitter.com/pN2atIPbgE

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LOL an American PAC with an American board of directors, an American Executive Director, and over 100,000 American members raising money from a list of American donors.....for the purpose of lobbying elected officials on American foreign policy is now election interference?

Man, you have some serious Israel hate going on.

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Exactly right. Maybe some 1st Amendment hate, too

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American citizens have every right to support a racist Jewish supremacist state that engages in war crimes and illegally occupies another State....against international law.

That this their right…but they will also get called out for being trash humans and having at best duel loyalty…if not straight up putting a foreign nation's priorities above our own.

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You're quoting Ilhan Omar and AOC.

Good job

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How is this not election interference? pic.twitter.com/pN2atIPbgE

— Lucas Gage (@Lucas_Gage_) July 18, 2023

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LOL an American PAC with an American board of directors, an American Executive Director, and over 100,000 American members raising money from a list of American donors.....for the purpose of lobbying elected officials on American foreign policy is now election interference?

Man, you have some serious Israel hate going on.

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Exactly right. Maybe some 1st Amendment hate, too

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American citizens have every right to support a racist Jewish supremacist state that engages in war crimes and illegally occupies another State....against international law.

That this their right…but they will also get called out for being trash humans and having at best duel loyalty…if not straight up putting a foreign nation's priorities above our own.

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You're quoting Ilhan Omar and AOC.

Good job

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Or just quoting the actual Israeli politicians.

Oded Tira, the Israeli Sports Commissioner can tell her@davidsheen pic.twitter.com/G0sH3zZD5l

— Behram (@Behram_Makujina) July 18, 2023

Why don't you let May Golan tell her. https://t.co/p2F0WLysdU

— Butter #SaveMasaferYatta (@buttersaurous) July 18, 2023

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How is this not election interference? pic.twitter.com/pN2atIPbgE

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LOL an American PAC with an American board of directors, an American Executive Director,

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All lobbying for increasing the power and wealth of a foreign country....at US taxpayer expense.


If this was a PAC with the sole purpose of increasing US taxpayer funding for Russia or China we all know you would be singing a different tune. No matter who was running it.

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lobbying at private expense for policy that benefits both countries. Our support of Israel most certainly does benefit the USA.

Ex: Do you really think AIPAC is controlling my mind on these questions? Do you really think my support for Israel is based on Sunday School lessons? I'm as real-politik as it gets in foreign policy. The anti-Israel arguments for Middle East policy lose every time because they are terrible policy based in, at best, a fundamental misunderstanding of the Arab mind & soul. Presenting AIPAC as some kind of boogieman for reminding everyone of that is pretty weak sauce.

'yeah unto the canaanites.' - c. griswald

- KKM

BID.

https://t.co/XDY0PTu4vq

— Richard Hanania (@RichardHanania) July 23, 2023

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https://t.co/XDY0PTu4vq

— Richard Hanania (@RichardHanania) July 23, 2023

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Only a leftist would be alarmed at that.

https://www.jta.org/2021/05/11/united-states/new-pew-study-shows-75-of-orthodox-jews-identify-as-republicans-up-from-57-in-2013

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https://t.co/XDY0PTu4vq

— Richard Hanania (@RichardHanania) July 23, 2023

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Only a leftist would be alarmed at that.

https://www.jta.org/2021/05/11/united-states/new-pew-study-shows-75-of-orthodox-jews-identify-as-republicans-up-from-57-in-2013

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Who said Hanania is alarmed?

And Richard is not a leftist...or a rightwinger...he presents himself as a centrist on most issues.

ISRAEL pic.twitter.com/FE4HEMEPlC

— The_Real_Fly (@The_Real_Fly) July 24, 2023

Israel is not perfect but seems pretty much the best in the region ... don't really get the anti-Jewish hatred.

Another of the stupidity of regressives - calling out bad policies of George Soros-funded D.A.s can be called "t'racist" with a straight face but calling for the annihilation of Israel is not ... we do live in a clown world.

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whiterock said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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https://t.co/XDY0PTu4vq

— Richard Hanania (@RichardHanania) July 23, 2023

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Only a leftist would be alarmed at that.

https://www.jta.org/2021/05/11/united-states/new-pew-study-shows-75-of-orthodox-jews-identify-as-republicans-up-from-57-in-2013

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Who said Hanania is alarmed?

And Richard is not a leftist...or a rightwinger...he presents himself as a centrist on most issues.

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so then what's the point of your post? What are you trying to prove? That Israel has ultra-conservative nationalists in their political spectrum? Every country has ultra-conservative nationalists in their political spectrum. Why is this remarkable for Israel?

whiterock said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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whiterock said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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https://t.co/XDY0PTu4vq

— Richard Hanania (@RichardHanania) July 23, 2023

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Only a leftist would be alarmed at that.

https://www.jta.org/2021/05/11/united-states/new-pew-study-shows-75-of-orthodox-jews-identify-as-republicans-up-from-57-in-2013

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Who said Hanania is alarmed?

And Richard is not a leftist...or a rightwinger...he presents himself as a centrist on most issues.

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so then what's the point of your post? What are you trying to prove? That Israel has ultra-conservative nationalists in their political spectrum? Every country has ultra-conservative nationalists in their political spectrum. Why is this remarkable for Israel?

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Calm down...no one is trying to prove anything with the Hanania tweet.

Its just interesting when discussing Israel-Palestine to discuss the demographics of the place.

The Arab and Secularist birth rates are going down. The Hasidic birth rates are staying at high levels.

This will eventually have a political/voting effect.

But the Hasidic are not all nationalists...in fact many are anti-Zionist or at least Zionist skeptical.

In fact there is a lot of friction between the secularists and nationalists on one side and the Hasidic on the other.

[From the founding of political Zionism in the 1890s, Haredi Jewish leaders voiced objections to its secular orientation, and before the establishment of the State of Israel, the vast majority of Haredi Jews were opposed to Zionism... This was chiefly due to the concern that secular nationalism would redefine the Jewish nation from a religious community based in their alliance to God for whom adherence to religious laws were "the essence of the nation's task, purpose, and right to exists," to an ethnic group like any other as well as the view that it was forbidden for the Jews to re-constitute Jewish rule in the Land of Israel before the arrival of the Messiah.]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haredim_and_Zionism