sombear said:Sam Lowry said:sombear said:Sam Lowry said:Danielsjackson114 said:
Interesting Hamas Harry AKA Sam Losery doesn't care about this genocide:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/world/articles/un-says-july-deadliest-month-134819959.html
must be because it isn't a stance for the lunatic left
The UN has never made a finding of genocide in Ukraine. Compare those numbers with the numbers in Gaza, and you'll see why.
And maybe you didn't notice, but the left is just as Russophobic as anyone. Ukraine was Biden's war before it was Trump's.
Uh . . . Russia has veto power at the UN, so of course the UN will never declare Russia committed genocide.
Russia has killed 10 times as many Ukrainians as Israel has killed Palestinians.
Russia has taken a significant chunk of Ukraine and threatened to take more.
Putin has said Ukraine is not a real country, and Ukrainians are not a real people.
Yes, Putin has considered genocide compared to Israel, and it's not a close call. And unlike the Palestinians on October 7 and many times prior, Ukraine never attacked Russia.
Russia doesn't have "veto power" over the UN. The Unites States and Russia both have veto power over UNSC resolutions, but that didn't stop the UN commission from its finding of genocide in Gaza.
Israel has killed more civilians in absolute terms, and vastly more in relative terms, than Russia has. This is not close and not in dispute.
Why does it matter civilians or soldiers? Russia invaded Ukraine and wants to wipe Ukraine off the map. In doing so, it has killed hundreds of thousands, injured more, and routinely targeted civilians.
The UN itself did not find Israel committed genocide. A commission did. Really no different than UN reps condemning Russia's invasion of Ukraine and targeting civilians.
Realitybites said:sombear said:Sam Lowry said:sombear said:Sam Lowry said:Danielsjackson114 said:
Interesting Hamas Harry AKA Sam Losery doesn't care about this genocide:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/world/articles/un-says-july-deadliest-month-134819959.html
must be because it isn't a stance for the lunatic left
The UN has never made a finding of genocide in Ukraine. Compare those numbers with the numbers in Gaza, and you'll see why.
And maybe you didn't notice, but the left is just as Russophobic as anyone. Ukraine was Biden's war before it was Trump's.
Uh . . . Russia has veto power at the UN, so of course the UN will never declare Russia committed genocide.
Russia has killed 10 times as many Ukrainians as Israel has killed Palestinians.
Russia has taken a significant chunk of Ukraine and threatened to take more.
Putin has said Ukraine is not a real country, and Ukrainians are not a real people.
Yes, Putin has considered genocide compared to Israel, and it's not a close call. And unlike the Palestinians on October 7 and many times prior, Ukraine never attacked Russia.
Russia doesn't have "veto power" over the UN. The Unites States and Russia both have veto power over UNSC resolutions, but that didn't stop the UN commission from its finding of genocide in Gaza.
Israel has killed more civilians in absolute terms, and vastly more in relative terms, than Russia has. This is not close and not in dispute.
Why does it matter civilians or soldiers? Russia invaded Ukraine and wants to wipe Ukraine off the map. In doing so, it has killed hundreds of thousands, injured more, and routinely targeted civilians.
The UN itself did not find Israel committed genocide. A commission did. Really no different than UN reps condemning Russia's invasion of Ukraine and targeting civilians.
Russia never wanted to wipe Ukraine off the map. What they demanded is that a neighboring nation whose territory had been used historically as an invasion route by foreign powers remain neutral and that the Russian people in the eastern half of that nation have their rights respected. That's it. Even EU affiliation wasn't a red line, but NATO membership was and has always been.
Russia is drawing from a pool of 25 million young men who could be put in uniform if need be. Ukraine's total population is 20 million, 10 million of whom are retirees. Ukraine was never going to win the war. Now that they've resorted to drone strikes on Russian civilians, the mood in that country has shifted much more towards "crush Ukraine". If Putin is replaced, you won't like what comes after him.
sombear said:Realitybites said:sombear said:Sam Lowry said:sombear said:Sam Lowry said:Danielsjackson114 said:
Interesting Hamas Harry AKA Sam Losery doesn't care about this genocide:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/world/articles/un-says-july-deadliest-month-134819959.html
must be because it isn't a stance for the lunatic left
The UN has never made a finding of genocide in Ukraine. Compare those numbers with the numbers in Gaza, and you'll see why.
And maybe you didn't notice, but the left is just as Russophobic as anyone. Ukraine was Biden's war before it was Trump's.
Uh . . . Russia has veto power at the UN, so of course the UN will never declare Russia committed genocide.
Russia has killed 10 times as many Ukrainians as Israel has killed Palestinians.
Russia has taken a significant chunk of Ukraine and threatened to take more.
Putin has said Ukraine is not a real country, and Ukrainians are not a real people.
Yes, Putin has considered genocide compared to Israel, and it's not a close call. And unlike the Palestinians on October 7 and many times prior, Ukraine never attacked Russia.
Russia doesn't have "veto power" over the UN. The Unites States and Russia both have veto power over UNSC resolutions, but that didn't stop the UN commission from its finding of genocide in Gaza.
Israel has killed more civilians in absolute terms, and vastly more in relative terms, than Russia has. This is not close and not in dispute.
Why does it matter civilians or soldiers? Russia invaded Ukraine and wants to wipe Ukraine off the map. In doing so, it has killed hundreds of thousands, injured more, and routinely targeted civilians.
The UN itself did not find Israel committed genocide. A commission did. Really no different than UN reps condemning Russia's invasion of Ukraine and targeting civilians.
Russia never wanted to wipe Ukraine off the map. What they demanded is that a neighboring nation whose territory had been used historically as an invasion route by foreign powers remain neutral and that the Russian people in the eastern half of that nation have their rights respected. That's it. Even EU affiliation wasn't a red line, but NATO membership was and has always been.
Russia is drawing from a pool of 25 million young men who could be put in uniform if need be. Ukraine's total population is 20 million, 10 million of whom are retirees. Ukraine was never going to win the war. Now that they've resorted to drone strikes on Russian civilians, the mood in that country has shifted much more towards "crush Ukraine". If Putin is replaced, you won't like what comes after him.
NATO was opposed by all Ukrainian Pres candidates, the elected Pres, and the strong majority of Ukrainians when Russia invaded.
Russia (Putin) absolutely wants to wipe Ukraine off the map. They've said so for years and also acted on it.
Ukraine may not win the war. I predicted they would not. But Russia sure as heck isn't winning either.
Russia still supports Putin, but support for the war there is at its lowest point.
Ukraine targeting civilians? Now that's funny!
Russians in the east had full rights and were very happy. Polls showed strong majorities opposed joining Russia.
Realitybites said:sombear said:Sam Lowry said:sombear said:Sam Lowry said:Danielsjackson114 said:
Interesting Hamas Harry AKA Sam Losery doesn't care about this genocide:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/world/articles/un-says-july-deadliest-month-134819959.html
must be because it isn't a stance for the lunatic left
The UN has never made a finding of genocide in Ukraine. Compare those numbers with the numbers in Gaza, and you'll see why.
And maybe you didn't notice, but the left is just as Russophobic as anyone. Ukraine was Biden's war before it was Trump's.
Uh . . . Russia has veto power at the UN, so of course the UN will never declare Russia committed genocide.
Russia has killed 10 times as many Ukrainians as Israel has killed Palestinians.
Russia has taken a significant chunk of Ukraine and threatened to take more.
Putin has said Ukraine is not a real country, and Ukrainians are not a real people.
Yes, Putin has considered genocide compared to Israel, and it's not a close call. And unlike the Palestinians on October 7 and many times prior, Ukraine never attacked Russia.
Russia doesn't have "veto power" over the UN. The Unites States and Russia both have veto power over UNSC resolutions, but that didn't stop the UN commission from its finding of genocide in Gaza.
Israel has killed more civilians in absolute terms, and vastly more in relative terms, than Russia has. This is not close and not in dispute.
Why does it matter civilians or soldiers? Russia invaded Ukraine and wants to wipe Ukraine off the map. In doing so, it has killed hundreds of thousands, injured more, and routinely targeted civilians.
The UN itself did not find Israel committed genocide. A commission did. Really no different than UN reps condemning Russia's invasion of Ukraine and targeting civilians.
Russia never wanted to wipe Ukraine off the map. What they demanded is that a neighboring nation whose territory had been used historically as an invasion route by foreign powers remain neutral and that the Russian people in the eastern half of that nation have their rights respected. That's it. Even EU affiliation wasn't a red line, but NATO membership was and has always been.
Russia is drawing from a pool of 25 million young men who could be put in uniform if need be. Ukraine's total population is 20 million, 10 million of whom are retirees. Ukraine was never going to win the war. Now that they've resorted to drone strikes on Russian civilians, the mood in that country has shifted much more towards "crush Ukraine". If Putin is replaced, you won't like what comes after him.
sombear said:Realitybites said:sombear said:Sam Lowry said:sombear said:Sam Lowry said:Danielsjackson114 said:
Interesting Hamas Harry AKA Sam Losery doesn't care about this genocide:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/world/articles/un-says-july-deadliest-month-134819959.html
must be because it isn't a stance for the lunatic left
The UN has never made a finding of genocide in Ukraine. Compare those numbers with the numbers in Gaza, and you'll see why.
And maybe you didn't notice, but the left is just as Russophobic as anyone. Ukraine was Biden's war before it was Trump's.
Uh . . . Russia has veto power at the UN, so of course the UN will never declare Russia committed genocide.
Russia has killed 10 times as many Ukrainians as Israel has killed Palestinians.
Russia has taken a significant chunk of Ukraine and threatened to take more.
Putin has said Ukraine is not a real country, and Ukrainians are not a real people.
Yes, Putin has considered genocide compared to Israel, and it's not a close call. And unlike the Palestinians on October 7 and many times prior, Ukraine never attacked Russia.
Russia doesn't have "veto power" over the UN. The Unites States and Russia both have veto power over UNSC resolutions, but that didn't stop the UN commission from its finding of genocide in Gaza.
Israel has killed more civilians in absolute terms, and vastly more in relative terms, than Russia has. This is not close and not in dispute.
Why does it matter civilians or soldiers? Russia invaded Ukraine and wants to wipe Ukraine off the map. In doing so, it has killed hundreds of thousands, injured more, and routinely targeted civilians.
The UN itself did not find Israel committed genocide. A commission did. Really no different than UN reps condemning Russia's invasion of Ukraine and targeting civilians.
Russia never wanted to wipe Ukraine off the map. What they demanded is that a neighboring nation whose territory had been used historically as an invasion route by foreign powers remain neutral and that the Russian people in the eastern half of that nation have their rights respected. That's it. Even EU affiliation wasn't a red line, but NATO membership was and has always been.
Russia is drawing from a pool of 25 million young men who could be put in uniform if need be. Ukraine's total population is 20 million, 10 million of whom are retirees. Ukraine was never going to win the war. Now that they've resorted to drone strikes on Russian civilians, the mood in that country has shifted much more towards "crush Ukraine". If Putin is replaced, you won't like what comes after him.
NATO was opposed by all Ukrainian Pres candidates, the elected Pres, and the strong majority of Ukrainians when Russia invaded.
Russia (Putin) absolutely wants to wipe Ukraine off the map. They've said so for years and also acted on it.
Ukraine may not win the war. I predicted they would not. But Russia sure as heck isn't winning either.
Russia still supports Putin, but support for the war there is at its lowest point.
Ukraine targeting civilians? Now that's funny!
Russians in the east had full rights and were very happy. Polls showed strong majorities opposed joining Russia.
The_barBEARian said:sombear said:Realitybites said:sombear said:Sam Lowry said:sombear said:Sam Lowry said:Danielsjackson114 said:
Interesting Hamas Harry AKA Sam Losery doesn't care about this genocide:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/world/articles/un-says-july-deadliest-month-134819959.html
must be because it isn't a stance for the lunatic left
The UN has never made a finding of genocide in Ukraine. Compare those numbers with the numbers in Gaza, and you'll see why.
And maybe you didn't notice, but the left is just as Russophobic as anyone. Ukraine was Biden's war before it was Trump's.
Uh . . . Russia has veto power at the UN, so of course the UN will never declare Russia committed genocide.
Russia has killed 10 times as many Ukrainians as Israel has killed Palestinians.
Russia has taken a significant chunk of Ukraine and threatened to take more.
Putin has said Ukraine is not a real country, and Ukrainians are not a real people.
Yes, Putin has considered genocide compared to Israel, and it's not a close call. And unlike the Palestinians on October 7 and many times prior, Ukraine never attacked Russia.
Russia doesn't have "veto power" over the UN. The Unites States and Russia both have veto power over UNSC resolutions, but that didn't stop the UN commission from its finding of genocide in Gaza.
Israel has killed more civilians in absolute terms, and vastly more in relative terms, than Russia has. This is not close and not in dispute.
Why does it matter civilians or soldiers? Russia invaded Ukraine and wants to wipe Ukraine off the map. In doing so, it has killed hundreds of thousands, injured more, and routinely targeted civilians.
The UN itself did not find Israel committed genocide. A commission did. Really no different than UN reps condemning Russia's invasion of Ukraine and targeting civilians.
Russia never wanted to wipe Ukraine off the map. What they demanded is that a neighboring nation whose territory had been used historically as an invasion route by foreign powers remain neutral and that the Russian people in the eastern half of that nation have their rights respected. That's it. Even EU affiliation wasn't a red line, but NATO membership was and has always been.
Russia is drawing from a pool of 25 million young men who could be put in uniform if need be. Ukraine's total population is 20 million, 10 million of whom are retirees. Ukraine was never going to win the war. Now that they've resorted to drone strikes on Russian civilians, the mood in that country has shifted much more towards "crush Ukraine". If Putin is replaced, you won't like what comes after him.
NATO was opposed by all Ukrainian Pres candidates, the elected Pres, and the strong majority of Ukrainians when Russia invaded.
Russia (Putin) absolutely wants to wipe Ukraine off the map. They've said so for years and also acted on it.
Ukraine may not win the war. I predicted they would not. But Russia sure as heck isn't winning either.
Russia still supports Putin, but support for the war there is at its lowest point.
Ukraine targeting civilians? Now that's funny!
Russians in the east had full rights and were very happy. Polls showed strong majorities opposed joining Russia.
Would you support Serbia annexing Republika Srpska in Bosnia?
sombear said:The_barBEARian said:sombear said:Realitybites said:sombear said:Sam Lowry said:sombear said:Sam Lowry said:Danielsjackson114 said:
Interesting Hamas Harry AKA Sam Losery doesn't care about this genocide:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/world/articles/un-says-july-deadliest-month-134819959.html
must be because it isn't a stance for the lunatic left
The UN has never made a finding of genocide in Ukraine. Compare those numbers with the numbers in Gaza, and you'll see why.
And maybe you didn't notice, but the left is just as Russophobic as anyone. Ukraine was Biden's war before it was Trump's.
Uh . . . Russia has veto power at the UN, so of course the UN will never declare Russia committed genocide.
Russia has killed 10 times as many Ukrainians as Israel has killed Palestinians.
Russia has taken a significant chunk of Ukraine and threatened to take more.
Putin has said Ukraine is not a real country, and Ukrainians are not a real people.
Yes, Putin has considered genocide compared to Israel, and it's not a close call. And unlike the Palestinians on October 7 and many times prior, Ukraine never attacked Russia.
Russia doesn't have "veto power" over the UN. The Unites States and Russia both have veto power over UNSC resolutions, but that didn't stop the UN commission from its finding of genocide in Gaza.
Israel has killed more civilians in absolute terms, and vastly more in relative terms, than Russia has. This is not close and not in dispute.
Why does it matter civilians or soldiers? Russia invaded Ukraine and wants to wipe Ukraine off the map. In doing so, it has killed hundreds of thousands, injured more, and routinely targeted civilians.
The UN itself did not find Israel committed genocide. A commission did. Really no different than UN reps condemning Russia's invasion of Ukraine and targeting civilians.
Russia never wanted to wipe Ukraine off the map. What they demanded is that a neighboring nation whose territory had been used historically as an invasion route by foreign powers remain neutral and that the Russian people in the eastern half of that nation have their rights respected. That's it. Even EU affiliation wasn't a red line, but NATO membership was and has always been.
Russia is drawing from a pool of 25 million young men who could be put in uniform if need be. Ukraine's total population is 20 million, 10 million of whom are retirees. Ukraine was never going to win the war. Now that they've resorted to drone strikes on Russian civilians, the mood in that country has shifted much more towards "crush Ukraine". If Putin is replaced, you won't like what comes after him.
NATO was opposed by all Ukrainian Pres candidates, the elected Pres, and the strong majority of Ukrainians when Russia invaded.
Russia (Putin) absolutely wants to wipe Ukraine off the map. They've said so for years and also acted on it.
Ukraine may not win the war. I predicted they would not. But Russia sure as heck isn't winning either.
Russia still supports Putin, but support for the war there is at its lowest point.
Ukraine targeting civilians? Now that's funny!
Russians in the east had full rights and were very happy. Polls showed strong majorities opposed joining Russia.
Would you support Serbia annexing Republika Srpska in Bosnia?
No
The_barBEARian said:sombear said:The_barBEARian said:sombear said:Realitybites said:sombear said:Sam Lowry said:sombear said:Sam Lowry said:Danielsjackson114 said:
Interesting Hamas Harry AKA Sam Losery doesn't care about this genocide:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/world/articles/un-says-july-deadliest-month-134819959.html
must be because it isn't a stance for the lunatic left
The UN has never made a finding of genocide in Ukraine. Compare those numbers with the numbers in Gaza, and you'll see why.
And maybe you didn't notice, but the left is just as Russophobic as anyone. Ukraine was Biden's war before it was Trump's.
Uh . . . Russia has veto power at the UN, so of course the UN will never declare Russia committed genocide.
Russia has killed 10 times as many Ukrainians as Israel has killed Palestinians.
Russia has taken a significant chunk of Ukraine and threatened to take more.
Putin has said Ukraine is not a real country, and Ukrainians are not a real people.
Yes, Putin has considered genocide compared to Israel, and it's not a close call. And unlike the Palestinians on October 7 and many times prior, Ukraine never attacked Russia.
Russia doesn't have "veto power" over the UN. The Unites States and Russia both have veto power over UNSC resolutions, but that didn't stop the UN commission from its finding of genocide in Gaza.
Israel has killed more civilians in absolute terms, and vastly more in relative terms, than Russia has. This is not close and not in dispute.
Why does it matter civilians or soldiers? Russia invaded Ukraine and wants to wipe Ukraine off the map. In doing so, it has killed hundreds of thousands, injured more, and routinely targeted civilians.
The UN itself did not find Israel committed genocide. A commission did. Really no different than UN reps condemning Russia's invasion of Ukraine and targeting civilians.
Russia never wanted to wipe Ukraine off the map. What they demanded is that a neighboring nation whose territory had been used historically as an invasion route by foreign powers remain neutral and that the Russian people in the eastern half of that nation have their rights respected. That's it. Even EU affiliation wasn't a red line, but NATO membership was and has always been.
Russia is drawing from a pool of 25 million young men who could be put in uniform if need be. Ukraine's total population is 20 million, 10 million of whom are retirees. Ukraine was never going to win the war. Now that they've resorted to drone strikes on Russian civilians, the mood in that country has shifted much more towards "crush Ukraine". If Putin is replaced, you won't like what comes after him.
NATO was opposed by all Ukrainian Pres candidates, the elected Pres, and the strong majority of Ukrainians when Russia invaded.
Russia (Putin) absolutely wants to wipe Ukraine off the map. They've said so for years and also acted on it.
Ukraine may not win the war. I predicted they would not. But Russia sure as heck isn't winning either.
Russia still supports Putin, but support for the war there is at its lowest point.
Ukraine targeting civilians? Now that's funny!
Russians in the east had full rights and were very happy. Polls showed strong majorities opposed joining Russia.
Would you support Serbia annexing Republika Srpska in Bosnia?
No
I'm starting to understand why your family got kicked out of Serbia...
sombear said:The_barBEARian said:sombear said:The_barBEARian said:sombear said:Realitybites said:sombear said:Sam Lowry said:sombear said:Sam Lowry said:Danielsjackson114 said:
Interesting Hamas Harry AKA Sam Losery doesn't care about this genocide:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/world/articles/un-says-july-deadliest-month-134819959.html
must be because it isn't a stance for the lunatic left
The UN has never made a finding of genocide in Ukraine. Compare those numbers with the numbers in Gaza, and you'll see why.
And maybe you didn't notice, but the left is just as Russophobic as anyone. Ukraine was Biden's war before it was Trump's.
Uh . . . Russia has veto power at the UN, so of course the UN will never declare Russia committed genocide.
Russia has killed 10 times as many Ukrainians as Israel has killed Palestinians.
Russia has taken a significant chunk of Ukraine and threatened to take more.
Putin has said Ukraine is not a real country, and Ukrainians are not a real people.
Yes, Putin has considered genocide compared to Israel, and it's not a close call. And unlike the Palestinians on October 7 and many times prior, Ukraine never attacked Russia.
Russia doesn't have "veto power" over the UN. The Unites States and Russia both have veto power over UNSC resolutions, but that didn't stop the UN commission from its finding of genocide in Gaza.
Israel has killed more civilians in absolute terms, and vastly more in relative terms, than Russia has. This is not close and not in dispute.
Why does it matter civilians or soldiers? Russia invaded Ukraine and wants to wipe Ukraine off the map. In doing so, it has killed hundreds of thousands, injured more, and routinely targeted civilians.
The UN itself did not find Israel committed genocide. A commission did. Really no different than UN reps condemning Russia's invasion of Ukraine and targeting civilians.
Russia never wanted to wipe Ukraine off the map. What they demanded is that a neighboring nation whose territory had been used historically as an invasion route by foreign powers remain neutral and that the Russian people in the eastern half of that nation have their rights respected. That's it. Even EU affiliation wasn't a red line, but NATO membership was and has always been.
Russia is drawing from a pool of 25 million young men who could be put in uniform if need be. Ukraine's total population is 20 million, 10 million of whom are retirees. Ukraine was never going to win the war. Now that they've resorted to drone strikes on Russian civilians, the mood in that country has shifted much more towards "crush Ukraine". If Putin is replaced, you won't like what comes after him.
NATO was opposed by all Ukrainian Pres candidates, the elected Pres, and the strong majority of Ukrainians when Russia invaded.
Russia (Putin) absolutely wants to wipe Ukraine off the map. They've said so for years and also acted on it.
Ukraine may not win the war. I predicted they would not. But Russia sure as heck isn't winning either.
Russia still supports Putin, but support for the war there is at its lowest point.
Ukraine targeting civilians? Now that's funny!
Russians in the east had full rights and were very happy. Polls showed strong majorities opposed joining Russia.
Would you support Serbia annexing Republika Srpska in Bosnia?
No
I'm starting to understand why your family got kicked out of Serbia...
Ha, still have family there, and nobody was kicked out. Most of my family disagrees with me on many Serbian political matters. BTW I would support a referendum in Srpska to become part of Serbia, just as I would have supported a legitimate pre-invasion referendum in East Ukraine to join Russia. It's the unilateral military action I oppose.
This is a rather confusing remark, since there was a legitimate referendum on autonomy, confirmed by multiple Western polling agencies, as well as an agreement signed by Ukraine, and you've shown no sign of support for any of it. When you say "legitimate," are you sure you don't just mean "pro-NATO?"sombear said:The_barBEARian said:sombear said:The_barBEARian said:sombear said:Realitybites said:sombear said:Sam Lowry said:sombear said:Sam Lowry said:Danielsjackson114 said:
Interesting Hamas Harry AKA Sam Losery doesn't care about this genocide:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/world/articles/un-says-july-deadliest-month-134819959.html
must be because it isn't a stance for the lunatic left
The UN has never made a finding of genocide in Ukraine. Compare those numbers with the numbers in Gaza, and you'll see why.
And maybe you didn't notice, but the left is just as Russophobic as anyone. Ukraine was Biden's war before it was Trump's.
Uh . . . Russia has veto power at the UN, so of course the UN will never declare Russia committed genocide.
Russia has killed 10 times as many Ukrainians as Israel has killed Palestinians.
Russia has taken a significant chunk of Ukraine and threatened to take more.
Putin has said Ukraine is not a real country, and Ukrainians are not a real people.
Yes, Putin has considered genocide compared to Israel, and it's not a close call. And unlike the Palestinians on October 7 and many times prior, Ukraine never attacked Russia.
Russia doesn't have "veto power" over the UN. The Unites States and Russia both have veto power over UNSC resolutions, but that didn't stop the UN commission from its finding of genocide in Gaza.
Israel has killed more civilians in absolute terms, and vastly more in relative terms, than Russia has. This is not close and not in dispute.
Why does it matter civilians or soldiers? Russia invaded Ukraine and wants to wipe Ukraine off the map. In doing so, it has killed hundreds of thousands, injured more, and routinely targeted civilians.
The UN itself did not find Israel committed genocide. A commission did. Really no different than UN reps condemning Russia's invasion of Ukraine and targeting civilians.
Russia never wanted to wipe Ukraine off the map. What they demanded is that a neighboring nation whose territory had been used historically as an invasion route by foreign powers remain neutral and that the Russian people in the eastern half of that nation have their rights respected. That's it. Even EU affiliation wasn't a red line, but NATO membership was and has always been.
Russia is drawing from a pool of 25 million young men who could be put in uniform if need be. Ukraine's total population is 20 million, 10 million of whom are retirees. Ukraine was never going to win the war. Now that they've resorted to drone strikes on Russian civilians, the mood in that country has shifted much more towards "crush Ukraine". If Putin is replaced, you won't like what comes after him.
NATO was opposed by all Ukrainian Pres candidates, the elected Pres, and the strong majority of Ukrainians when Russia invaded.
Russia (Putin) absolutely wants to wipe Ukraine off the map. They've said so for years and also acted on it.
Ukraine may not win the war. I predicted they would not. But Russia sure as heck isn't winning either.
Russia still supports Putin, but support for the war there is at its lowest point.
Ukraine targeting civilians? Now that's funny!
Russians in the east had full rights and were very happy. Polls showed strong majorities opposed joining Russia.
Would you support Serbia annexing Republika Srpska in Bosnia?
No
I'm starting to understand why your family got kicked out of Serbia...
Ha, still have family there, and nobody was kicked out. Most of my family disagrees with me on many Serbian political matters. BTW I would support a referendum in Srpska to become part of Serbia, just as I would have supported a legitimate pre-invasion referendum in East Ukraine to join Russia. It's the unilateral military action I oppose.
Sam Lowry said:sombear said:The_barBEARian said:sombear said:The_barBEARian said:sombear said:Realitybites said:sombear said:Sam Lowry said:sombear said:Sam Lowry said:Danielsjackson114 said:
Interesting Hamas Harry AKA Sam Losery doesn't care about this genocide:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/world/articles/un-says-july-deadliest-month-134819959.html
must be because it isn't a stance for the lunatic left
The UN has never made a finding of genocide in Ukraine. Compare those numbers with the numbers in Gaza, and you'll see why.
And maybe you didn't notice, but the left is just as Russophobic as anyone. Ukraine was Biden's war before it was Trump's.
Uh . . . Russia has veto power at the UN, so of course the UN will never declare Russia committed genocide.
Russia has killed 10 times as many Ukrainians as Israel has killed Palestinians.
Russia has taken a significant chunk of Ukraine and threatened to take more.
Putin has said Ukraine is not a real country, and Ukrainians are not a real people.
Yes, Putin has considered genocide compared to Israel, and it's not a close call. And unlike the Palestinians on October 7 and many times prior, Ukraine never attacked Russia.
Russia doesn't have "veto power" over the UN. The Unites States and Russia both have veto power over UNSC resolutions, but that didn't stop the UN commission from its finding of genocide in Gaza.
Israel has killed more civilians in absolute terms, and vastly more in relative terms, than Russia has. This is not close and not in dispute.
Why does it matter civilians or soldiers? Russia invaded Ukraine and wants to wipe Ukraine off the map. In doing so, it has killed hundreds of thousands, injured more, and routinely targeted civilians.
The UN itself did not find Israel committed genocide. A commission did. Really no different than UN reps condemning Russia's invasion of Ukraine and targeting civilians.
Russia never wanted to wipe Ukraine off the map. What they demanded is that a neighboring nation whose territory had been used historically as an invasion route by foreign powers remain neutral and that the Russian people in the eastern half of that nation have their rights respected. That's it. Even EU affiliation wasn't a red line, but NATO membership was and has always been.
Russia is drawing from a pool of 25 million young men who could be put in uniform if need be. Ukraine's total population is 20 million, 10 million of whom are retirees. Ukraine was never going to win the war. Now that they've resorted to drone strikes on Russian civilians, the mood in that country has shifted much more towards "crush Ukraine". If Putin is replaced, you won't like what comes after him.
NATO was opposed by all Ukrainian Pres candidates, the elected Pres, and the strong majority of Ukrainians when Russia invaded.
Russia (Putin) absolutely wants to wipe Ukraine off the map. They've said so for years and also acted on it.
Ukraine may not win the war. I predicted they would not. But Russia sure as heck isn't winning either.
Russia still supports Putin, but support for the war there is at its lowest point.
Ukraine targeting civilians? Now that's funny!
Russians in the east had full rights and were very happy. Polls showed strong majorities opposed joining Russia.
Would you support Serbia annexing Republika Srpska in Bosnia?
No
I'm starting to understand why your family got kicked out of Serbia...
Ha, still have family there, and nobody was kicked out. Most of my family disagrees with me on many Serbian political matters. BTW I would support a referendum in Srpska to become part of Serbia, just as I would have supported a legitimate pre-invasion referendum in East Ukraine to join Russia. It's the unilateral military action I oppose.
This is a rather confusing remark, since there was a legitimate referendum on autonomy, confirmed by multiple Western polling agencies, as well as an agreement signed by Ukraine, and you've shown no sign of support for any of it. When you say "legitimate," are you sure you don't just mean "pro-NATO?"
sombear said:Sam Lowry said:sombear said:The_barBEARian said:sombear said:The_barBEARian said:sombear said:Realitybites said:sombear said:Sam Lowry said:sombear said:Sam Lowry said:Danielsjackson114 said:
Interesting Hamas Harry AKA Sam Losery doesn't care about this genocide:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/world/articles/un-says-july-deadliest-month-134819959.html
must be because it isn't a stance for the lunatic left
The UN has never made a finding of genocide in Ukraine. Compare those numbers with the numbers in Gaza, and you'll see why.
And maybe you didn't notice, but the left is just as Russophobic as anyone. Ukraine was Biden's war before it was Trump's.
Uh . . . Russia has veto power at the UN, so of course the UN will never declare Russia committed genocide.
Russia has killed 10 times as many Ukrainians as Israel has killed Palestinians.
Russia has taken a significant chunk of Ukraine and threatened to take more.
Putin has said Ukraine is not a real country, and Ukrainians are not a real people.
Yes, Putin has considered genocide compared to Israel, and it's not a close call. And unlike the Palestinians on October 7 and many times prior, Ukraine never attacked Russia.
Russia doesn't have "veto power" over the UN. The Unites States and Russia both have veto power over UNSC resolutions, but that didn't stop the UN commission from its finding of genocide in Gaza.
Israel has killed more civilians in absolute terms, and vastly more in relative terms, than Russia has. This is not close and not in dispute.
Why does it matter civilians or soldiers? Russia invaded Ukraine and wants to wipe Ukraine off the map. In doing so, it has killed hundreds of thousands, injured more, and routinely targeted civilians.
The UN itself did not find Israel committed genocide. A commission did. Really no different than UN reps condemning Russia's invasion of Ukraine and targeting civilians.
Russia never wanted to wipe Ukraine off the map. What they demanded is that a neighboring nation whose territory had been used historically as an invasion route by foreign powers remain neutral and that the Russian people in the eastern half of that nation have their rights respected. That's it. Even EU affiliation wasn't a red line, but NATO membership was and has always been.
Russia is drawing from a pool of 25 million young men who could be put in uniform if need be. Ukraine's total population is 20 million, 10 million of whom are retirees. Ukraine was never going to win the war. Now that they've resorted to drone strikes on Russian civilians, the mood in that country has shifted much more towards "crush Ukraine". If Putin is replaced, you won't like what comes after him.
NATO was opposed by all Ukrainian Pres candidates, the elected Pres, and the strong majority of Ukrainians when Russia invaded.
Russia (Putin) absolutely wants to wipe Ukraine off the map. They've said so for years and also acted on it.
Ukraine may not win the war. I predicted they would not. But Russia sure as heck isn't winning either.
Russia still supports Putin, but support for the war there is at its lowest point.
Ukraine targeting civilians? Now that's funny!
Russians in the east had full rights and were very happy. Polls showed strong majorities opposed joining Russia.
Would you support Serbia annexing Republika Srpska in Bosnia?
No
I'm starting to understand why your family got kicked out of Serbia...
Ha, still have family there, and nobody was kicked out. Most of my family disagrees with me on many Serbian political matters. BTW I would support a referendum in Srpska to become part of Serbia, just as I would have supported a legitimate pre-invasion referendum in East Ukraine to join Russia. It's the unilateral military action I oppose.
This is a rather confusing remark, since there was a legitimate referendum on autonomy, confirmed by multiple Western polling agencies, as well as an agreement signed by Ukraine, and you've shown no sign of support for any of it. When you say "legitimate," are you sure you don't just mean "pro-NATO?"
No, it's very simple. I mean pre-invasion.
But Putonians can't accept that premise because they know that there was never even an effort - not proposed by even the most pro-Russian political parties - to leave Ukraine and join Russia.
Sam Lowry said:sombear said:Sam Lowry said:sombear said:The_barBEARian said:sombear said:The_barBEARian said:sombear said:Realitybites said:sombear said:Sam Lowry said:sombear said:Sam Lowry said:Danielsjackson114 said:
Interesting Hamas Harry AKA Sam Losery doesn't care about this genocide:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/world/articles/un-says-july-deadliest-month-134819959.html
must be because it isn't a stance for the lunatic left
The UN has never made a finding of genocide in Ukraine. Compare those numbers with the numbers in Gaza, and you'll see why.
And maybe you didn't notice, but the left is just as Russophobic as anyone. Ukraine was Biden's war before it was Trump's.
Uh . . . Russia has veto power at the UN, so of course the UN will never declare Russia committed genocide.
Russia has killed 10 times as many Ukrainians as Israel has killed Palestinians.
Russia has taken a significant chunk of Ukraine and threatened to take more.
Putin has said Ukraine is not a real country, and Ukrainians are not a real people.
Yes, Putin has considered genocide compared to Israel, and it's not a close call. And unlike the Palestinians on October 7 and many times prior, Ukraine never attacked Russia.
Russia doesn't have "veto power" over the UN. The Unites States and Russia both have veto power over UNSC resolutions, but that didn't stop the UN commission from its finding of genocide in Gaza.
Israel has killed more civilians in absolute terms, and vastly more in relative terms, than Russia has. This is not close and not in dispute.
Why does it matter civilians or soldiers? Russia invaded Ukraine and wants to wipe Ukraine off the map. In doing so, it has killed hundreds of thousands, injured more, and routinely targeted civilians.
The UN itself did not find Israel committed genocide. A commission did. Really no different than UN reps condemning Russia's invasion of Ukraine and targeting civilians.
Russia never wanted to wipe Ukraine off the map. What they demanded is that a neighboring nation whose territory had been used historically as an invasion route by foreign powers remain neutral and that the Russian people in the eastern half of that nation have their rights respected. That's it. Even EU affiliation wasn't a red line, but NATO membership was and has always been.
Russia is drawing from a pool of 25 million young men who could be put in uniform if need be. Ukraine's total population is 20 million, 10 million of whom are retirees. Ukraine was never going to win the war. Now that they've resorted to drone strikes on Russian civilians, the mood in that country has shifted much more towards "crush Ukraine". If Putin is replaced, you won't like what comes after him.
NATO was opposed by all Ukrainian Pres candidates, the elected Pres, and the strong majority of Ukrainians when Russia invaded.
Russia (Putin) absolutely wants to wipe Ukraine off the map. They've said so for years and also acted on it.
Ukraine may not win the war. I predicted they would not. But Russia sure as heck isn't winning either.
Russia still supports Putin, but support for the war there is at its lowest point.
Ukraine targeting civilians? Now that's funny!
Russians in the east had full rights and were very happy. Polls showed strong majorities opposed joining Russia.
Would you support Serbia annexing Republika Srpska in Bosnia?
No
I'm starting to understand why your family got kicked out of Serbia...
Ha, still have family there, and nobody was kicked out. Most of my family disagrees with me on many Serbian political matters. BTW I would support a referendum in Srpska to become part of Serbia, just as I would have supported a legitimate pre-invasion referendum in East Ukraine to join Russia. It's the unilateral military action I oppose.
This is a rather confusing remark, since there was a legitimate referendum on autonomy, confirmed by multiple Western polling agencies, as well as an agreement signed by Ukraine, and you've shown no sign of support for any of it. When you say "legitimate," are you sure you don't just mean "pro-NATO?"
No, it's very simple. I mean pre-invasion.
But Putonians can't accept that premise because they know that there was never even an effort - not proposed by even the most pro-Russian political parties - to leave Ukraine and join Russia.
I'm talking pre-invasion too. Joining Russia was never an issue until late 2022, after it was clear that negotiations for autonomy had failed.
sombear said:Sam Lowry said:sombear said:Sam Lowry said:sombear said:The_barBEARian said:sombear said:The_barBEARian said:sombear said:Realitybites said:sombear said:Sam Lowry said:sombear said:Sam Lowry said:Danielsjackson114 said:
Interesting Hamas Harry AKA Sam Losery doesn't care about this genocide:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/world/articles/un-says-july-deadliest-month-134819959.html
must be because it isn't a stance for the lunatic left
The UN has never made a finding of genocide in Ukraine. Compare those numbers with the numbers in Gaza, and you'll see why.
And maybe you didn't notice, but the left is just as Russophobic as anyone. Ukraine was Biden's war before it was Trump's.
Uh . . . Russia has veto power at the UN, so of course the UN will never declare Russia committed genocide.
Russia has killed 10 times as many Ukrainians as Israel has killed Palestinians.
Russia has taken a significant chunk of Ukraine and threatened to take more.
Putin has said Ukraine is not a real country, and Ukrainians are not a real people.
Yes, Putin has considered genocide compared to Israel, and it's not a close call. And unlike the Palestinians on October 7 and many times prior, Ukraine never attacked Russia.
Russia doesn't have "veto power" over the UN. The Unites States and Russia both have veto power over UNSC resolutions, but that didn't stop the UN commission from its finding of genocide in Gaza.
Israel has killed more civilians in absolute terms, and vastly more in relative terms, than Russia has. This is not close and not in dispute.
Why does it matter civilians or soldiers? Russia invaded Ukraine and wants to wipe Ukraine off the map. In doing so, it has killed hundreds of thousands, injured more, and routinely targeted civilians.
The UN itself did not find Israel committed genocide. A commission did. Really no different than UN reps condemning Russia's invasion of Ukraine and targeting civilians.
Russia never wanted to wipe Ukraine off the map. What they demanded is that a neighboring nation whose territory had been used historically as an invasion route by foreign powers remain neutral and that the Russian people in the eastern half of that nation have their rights respected. That's it. Even EU affiliation wasn't a red line, but NATO membership was and has always been.
Russia is drawing from a pool of 25 million young men who could be put in uniform if need be. Ukraine's total population is 20 million, 10 million of whom are retirees. Ukraine was never going to win the war. Now that they've resorted to drone strikes on Russian civilians, the mood in that country has shifted much more towards "crush Ukraine". If Putin is replaced, you won't like what comes after him.
NATO was opposed by all Ukrainian Pres candidates, the elected Pres, and the strong majority of Ukrainians when Russia invaded.
Russia (Putin) absolutely wants to wipe Ukraine off the map. They've said so for years and also acted on it.
Ukraine may not win the war. I predicted they would not. But Russia sure as heck isn't winning either.
Russia still supports Putin, but support for the war there is at its lowest point.
Ukraine targeting civilians? Now that's funny!
Russians in the east had full rights and were very happy. Polls showed strong majorities opposed joining Russia.
Would you support Serbia annexing Republika Srpska in Bosnia?
No
I'm starting to understand why your family got kicked out of Serbia...
Ha, still have family there, and nobody was kicked out. Most of my family disagrees with me on many Serbian political matters. BTW I would support a referendum in Srpska to become part of Serbia, just as I would have supported a legitimate pre-invasion referendum in East Ukraine to join Russia. It's the unilateral military action I oppose.
This is a rather confusing remark, since there was a legitimate referendum on autonomy, confirmed by multiple Western polling agencies, as well as an agreement signed by Ukraine, and you've shown no sign of support for any of it. When you say "legitimate," are you sure you don't just mean "pro-NATO?"
No, it's very simple. I mean pre-invasion.
But Putonians can't accept that premise because they know that there was never even an effort - not proposed by even the most pro-Russian political parties - to leave Ukraine and join Russia.
I'm talking pre-invasion too. Joining Russia was never an issue until late 2022, after it was clear that negotiations for autonomy had failed.
First invasion
Sam Lowry said:sombear said:Sam Lowry said:sombear said:Sam Lowry said:sombear said:The_barBEARian said:sombear said:The_barBEARian said:sombear said:Realitybites said:sombear said:Sam Lowry said:sombear said:Sam Lowry said:Danielsjackson114 said:
Interesting Hamas Harry AKA Sam Losery doesn't care about this genocide:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/world/articles/un-says-july-deadliest-month-134819959.html
must be because it isn't a stance for the lunatic left
The UN has never made a finding of genocide in Ukraine. Compare those numbers with the numbers in Gaza, and you'll see why.
And maybe you didn't notice, but the left is just as Russophobic as anyone. Ukraine was Biden's war before it was Trump's.
Uh . . . Russia has veto power at the UN, so of course the UN will never declare Russia committed genocide.
Russia has killed 10 times as many Ukrainians as Israel has killed Palestinians.
Russia has taken a significant chunk of Ukraine and threatened to take more.
Putin has said Ukraine is not a real country, and Ukrainians are not a real people.
Yes, Putin has considered genocide compared to Israel, and it's not a close call. And unlike the Palestinians on October 7 and many times prior, Ukraine never attacked Russia.
Russia doesn't have "veto power" over the UN. The Unites States and Russia both have veto power over UNSC resolutions, but that didn't stop the UN commission from its finding of genocide in Gaza.
Israel has killed more civilians in absolute terms, and vastly more in relative terms, than Russia has. This is not close and not in dispute.
Why does it matter civilians or soldiers? Russia invaded Ukraine and wants to wipe Ukraine off the map. In doing so, it has killed hundreds of thousands, injured more, and routinely targeted civilians.
The UN itself did not find Israel committed genocide. A commission did. Really no different than UN reps condemning Russia's invasion of Ukraine and targeting civilians.
Russia never wanted to wipe Ukraine off the map. What they demanded is that a neighboring nation whose territory had been used historically as an invasion route by foreign powers remain neutral and that the Russian people in the eastern half of that nation have their rights respected. That's it. Even EU affiliation wasn't a red line, but NATO membership was and has always been.
Russia is drawing from a pool of 25 million young men who could be put in uniform if need be. Ukraine's total population is 20 million, 10 million of whom are retirees. Ukraine was never going to win the war. Now that they've resorted to drone strikes on Russian civilians, the mood in that country has shifted much more towards "crush Ukraine". If Putin is replaced, you won't like what comes after him.
NATO was opposed by all Ukrainian Pres candidates, the elected Pres, and the strong majority of Ukrainians when Russia invaded.
Russia (Putin) absolutely wants to wipe Ukraine off the map. They've said so for years and also acted on it.
Ukraine may not win the war. I predicted they would not. But Russia sure as heck isn't winning either.
Russia still supports Putin, but support for the war there is at its lowest point.
Ukraine targeting civilians? Now that's funny!
Russians in the east had full rights and were very happy. Polls showed strong majorities opposed joining Russia.
Would you support Serbia annexing Republika Srpska in Bosnia?
No
I'm starting to understand why your family got kicked out of Serbia...
Ha, still have family there, and nobody was kicked out. Most of my family disagrees with me on many Serbian political matters. BTW I would support a referendum in Srpska to become part of Serbia, just as I would have supported a legitimate pre-invasion referendum in East Ukraine to join Russia. It's the unilateral military action I oppose.
This is a rather confusing remark, since there was a legitimate referendum on autonomy, confirmed by multiple Western polling agencies, as well as an agreement signed by Ukraine, and you've shown no sign of support for any of it. When you say "legitimate," are you sure you don't just mean "pro-NATO?"
No, it's very simple. I mean pre-invasion.
But Putonians can't accept that premise because they know that there was never even an effort - not proposed by even the most pro-Russian political parties - to leave Ukraine and join Russia.
I'm talking pre-invasion too. Joining Russia was never an issue until late 2022, after it was clear that negotiations for autonomy had failed.
First invasion
The Donbas overwhelmingly voted for federalization, recognition of the Russian language, and closer ties with Russia in the consultative referendum of 1994. The results were essentially the same in 2014 and 2022, except by 2022 they had suffered years of attacks on civilians by Kiev and were ready to be done with Ukraine altogether. Regardless of any quibbling about what was or wasn't an "invasion," the will of the people has always been quite clear.
sombear said:Sam Lowry said:sombear said:Sam Lowry said:sombear said:Sam Lowry said:sombear said:The_barBEARian said:sombear said:The_barBEARian said:sombear said:Realitybites said:sombear said:Sam Lowry said:sombear said:Sam Lowry said:Danielsjackson114 said:
Interesting Hamas Harry AKA Sam Losery doesn't care about this genocide:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/world/articles/un-says-july-deadliest-month-134819959.html
must be because it isn't a stance for the lunatic left
The UN has never made a finding of genocide in Ukraine. Compare those numbers with the numbers in Gaza, and you'll see why.
And maybe you didn't notice, but the left is just as Russophobic as anyone. Ukraine was Biden's war before it was Trump's.
Uh . . . Russia has veto power at the UN, so of course the UN will never declare Russia committed genocide.
Russia has killed 10 times as many Ukrainians as Israel has killed Palestinians.
Russia has taken a significant chunk of Ukraine and threatened to take more.
Putin has said Ukraine is not a real country, and Ukrainians are not a real people.
Yes, Putin has considered genocide compared to Israel, and it's not a close call. And unlike the Palestinians on October 7 and many times prior, Ukraine never attacked Russia.
Russia doesn't have "veto power" over the UN. The Unites States and Russia both have veto power over UNSC resolutions, but that didn't stop the UN commission from its finding of genocide in Gaza.
Israel has killed more civilians in absolute terms, and vastly more in relative terms, than Russia has. This is not close and not in dispute.
Why does it matter civilians or soldiers? Russia invaded Ukraine and wants to wipe Ukraine off the map. In doing so, it has killed hundreds of thousands, injured more, and routinely targeted civilians.
The UN itself did not find Israel committed genocide. A commission did. Really no different than UN reps condemning Russia's invasion of Ukraine and targeting civilians.
Russia never wanted to wipe Ukraine off the map. What they demanded is that a neighboring nation whose territory had been used historically as an invasion route by foreign powers remain neutral and that the Russian people in the eastern half of that nation have their rights respected. That's it. Even EU affiliation wasn't a red line, but NATO membership was and has always been.
Russia is drawing from a pool of 25 million young men who could be put in uniform if need be. Ukraine's total population is 20 million, 10 million of whom are retirees. Ukraine was never going to win the war. Now that they've resorted to drone strikes on Russian civilians, the mood in that country has shifted much more towards "crush Ukraine". If Putin is replaced, you won't like what comes after him.
NATO was opposed by all Ukrainian Pres candidates, the elected Pres, and the strong majority of Ukrainians when Russia invaded.
Russia (Putin) absolutely wants to wipe Ukraine off the map. They've said so for years and also acted on it.
Ukraine may not win the war. I predicted they would not. But Russia sure as heck isn't winning either.
Russia still supports Putin, but support for the war there is at its lowest point.
Ukraine targeting civilians? Now that's funny!
Russians in the east had full rights and were very happy. Polls showed strong majorities opposed joining Russia.
Would you support Serbia annexing Republika Srpska in Bosnia?
No
I'm starting to understand why your family got kicked out of Serbia...
Ha, still have family there, and nobody was kicked out. Most of my family disagrees with me on many Serbian political matters. BTW I would support a referendum in Srpska to become part of Serbia, just as I would have supported a legitimate pre-invasion referendum in East Ukraine to join Russia. It's the unilateral military action I oppose.
This is a rather confusing remark, since there was a legitimate referendum on autonomy, confirmed by multiple Western polling agencies, as well as an agreement signed by Ukraine, and you've shown no sign of support for any of it. When you say "legitimate," are you sure you don't just mean "pro-NATO?"
No, it's very simple. I mean pre-invasion.
But Putonians can't accept that premise because they know that there was never even an effort - not proposed by even the most pro-Russian political parties - to leave Ukraine and join Russia.
I'm talking pre-invasion too. Joining Russia was never an issue until late 2022, after it was clear that negotiations for autonomy had failed.
First invasion
The Donbas overwhelmingly voted for federalization, recognition of the Russian language, and closer ties with Russia in the consultative referendum of 1994. The results were essentially the same in 2014 and 2022, except by 2022 they had suffered years of attacks on civilians by Kiev and were ready to be done with Ukraine altogether. Regardless of any quibbling about what was or wasn't an "invasion," the will of the people has always been quite clear.
Again, pre-invasion 2014, they never voted to leave Ukraine or join Russia, and not a single political party had either in their platform.
Sam Lowry said:sombear said:Sam Lowry said:sombear said:Sam Lowry said:sombear said:Sam Lowry said:sombear said:The_barBEARian said:sombear said:The_barBEARian said:sombear said:Realitybites said:sombear said:Sam Lowry said:sombear said:Sam Lowry said:Danielsjackson114 said:
Interesting Hamas Harry AKA Sam Losery doesn't care about this genocide:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/world/articles/un-says-july-deadliest-month-134819959.html
must be because it isn't a stance for the lunatic left
The UN has never made a finding of genocide in Ukraine. Compare those numbers with the numbers in Gaza, and you'll see why.
And maybe you didn't notice, but the left is just as Russophobic as anyone. Ukraine was Biden's war before it was Trump's.
Uh . . . Russia has veto power at the UN, so of course the UN will never declare Russia committed genocide.
Russia has killed 10 times as many Ukrainians as Israel has killed Palestinians.
Russia has taken a significant chunk of Ukraine and threatened to take more.
Putin has said Ukraine is not a real country, and Ukrainians are not a real people.
Yes, Putin has considered genocide compared to Israel, and it's not a close call. And unlike the Palestinians on October 7 and many times prior, Ukraine never attacked Russia.
Russia doesn't have "veto power" over the UN. The Unites States and Russia both have veto power over UNSC resolutions, but that didn't stop the UN commission from its finding of genocide in Gaza.
Israel has killed more civilians in absolute terms, and vastly more in relative terms, than Russia has. This is not close and not in dispute.
Why does it matter civilians or soldiers? Russia invaded Ukraine and wants to wipe Ukraine off the map. In doing so, it has killed hundreds of thousands, injured more, and routinely targeted civilians.
The UN itself did not find Israel committed genocide. A commission did. Really no different than UN reps condemning Russia's invasion of Ukraine and targeting civilians.
Russia never wanted to wipe Ukraine off the map. What they demanded is that a neighboring nation whose territory had been used historically as an invasion route by foreign powers remain neutral and that the Russian people in the eastern half of that nation have their rights respected. That's it. Even EU affiliation wasn't a red line, but NATO membership was and has always been.
Russia is drawing from a pool of 25 million young men who could be put in uniform if need be. Ukraine's total population is 20 million, 10 million of whom are retirees. Ukraine was never going to win the war. Now that they've resorted to drone strikes on Russian civilians, the mood in that country has shifted much more towards "crush Ukraine". If Putin is replaced, you won't like what comes after him.
NATO was opposed by all Ukrainian Pres candidates, the elected Pres, and the strong majority of Ukrainians when Russia invaded.
Russia (Putin) absolutely wants to wipe Ukraine off the map. They've said so for years and also acted on it.
Ukraine may not win the war. I predicted they would not. But Russia sure as heck isn't winning either.
Russia still supports Putin, but support for the war there is at its lowest point.
Ukraine targeting civilians? Now that's funny!
Russians in the east had full rights and were very happy. Polls showed strong majorities opposed joining Russia.
Would you support Serbia annexing Republika Srpska in Bosnia?
No
I'm starting to understand why your family got kicked out of Serbia...
Ha, still have family there, and nobody was kicked out. Most of my family disagrees with me on many Serbian political matters. BTW I would support a referendum in Srpska to become part of Serbia, just as I would have supported a legitimate pre-invasion referendum in East Ukraine to join Russia. It's the unilateral military action I oppose.
This is a rather confusing remark, since there was a legitimate referendum on autonomy, confirmed by multiple Western polling agencies, as well as an agreement signed by Ukraine, and you've shown no sign of support for any of it. When you say "legitimate," are you sure you don't just mean "pro-NATO?"
No, it's very simple. I mean pre-invasion.
But Putonians can't accept that premise because they know that there was never even an effort - not proposed by even the most pro-Russian political parties - to leave Ukraine and join Russia.
I'm talking pre-invasion too. Joining Russia was never an issue until late 2022, after it was clear that negotiations for autonomy had failed.
First invasion
The Donbas overwhelmingly voted for federalization, recognition of the Russian language, and closer ties with Russia in the consultative referendum of 1994. The results were essentially the same in 2014 and 2022, except by 2022 they had suffered years of attacks on civilians by Kiev and were ready to be done with Ukraine altogether. Regardless of any quibbling about what was or wasn't an "invasion," the will of the people has always been quite clear.
Again, pre-invasion 2014, they never voted to leave Ukraine or join Russia, and not a single political party had either in their platform.
And Russia was never demanding that. It's a red herring.
sombear said:Sam Lowry said:sombear said:Sam Lowry said:sombear said:Sam Lowry said:sombear said:Sam Lowry said:sombear said:The_barBEARian said:sombear said:The_barBEARian said:sombear said:Realitybites said:sombear said:Sam Lowry said:sombear said:Sam Lowry said:Danielsjackson114 said:
Interesting Hamas Harry AKA Sam Losery doesn't care about this genocide:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/world/articles/un-says-july-deadliest-month-134819959.html
must be because it isn't a stance for the lunatic left
The UN has never made a finding of genocide in Ukraine. Compare those numbers with the numbers in Gaza, and you'll see why.
And maybe you didn't notice, but the left is just as Russophobic as anyone. Ukraine was Biden's war before it was Trump's.
Uh . . . Russia has veto power at the UN, so of course the UN will never declare Russia committed genocide.
Russia has killed 10 times as many Ukrainians as Israel has killed Palestinians.
Russia has taken a significant chunk of Ukraine and threatened to take more.
Putin has said Ukraine is not a real country, and Ukrainians are not a real people.
Yes, Putin has considered genocide compared to Israel, and it's not a close call. And unlike the Palestinians on October 7 and many times prior, Ukraine never attacked Russia.
Russia doesn't have "veto power" over the UN. The Unites States and Russia both have veto power over UNSC resolutions, but that didn't stop the UN commission from its finding of genocide in Gaza.
Israel has killed more civilians in absolute terms, and vastly more in relative terms, than Russia has. This is not close and not in dispute.
Why does it matter civilians or soldiers? Russia invaded Ukraine and wants to wipe Ukraine off the map. In doing so, it has killed hundreds of thousands, injured more, and routinely targeted civilians.
The UN itself did not find Israel committed genocide. A commission did. Really no different than UN reps condemning Russia's invasion of Ukraine and targeting civilians.
Russia never wanted to wipe Ukraine off the map. What they demanded is that a neighboring nation whose territory had been used historically as an invasion route by foreign powers remain neutral and that the Russian people in the eastern half of that nation have their rights respected. That's it. Even EU affiliation wasn't a red line, but NATO membership was and has always been.
Russia is drawing from a pool of 25 million young men who could be put in uniform if need be. Ukraine's total population is 20 million, 10 million of whom are retirees. Ukraine was never going to win the war. Now that they've resorted to drone strikes on Russian civilians, the mood in that country has shifted much more towards "crush Ukraine". If Putin is replaced, you won't like what comes after him.
NATO was opposed by all Ukrainian Pres candidates, the elected Pres, and the strong majority of Ukrainians when Russia invaded.
Russia (Putin) absolutely wants to wipe Ukraine off the map. They've said so for years and also acted on it.
Ukraine may not win the war. I predicted they would not. But Russia sure as heck isn't winning either.
Russia still supports Putin, but support for the war there is at its lowest point.
Ukraine targeting civilians? Now that's funny!
Russians in the east had full rights and were very happy. Polls showed strong majorities opposed joining Russia.
Would you support Serbia annexing Republika Srpska in Bosnia?
No
I'm starting to understand why your family got kicked out of Serbia...
Ha, still have family there, and nobody was kicked out. Most of my family disagrees with me on many Serbian political matters. BTW I would support a referendum in Srpska to become part of Serbia, just as I would have supported a legitimate pre-invasion referendum in East Ukraine to join Russia. It's the unilateral military action I oppose.
This is a rather confusing remark, since there was a legitimate referendum on autonomy, confirmed by multiple Western polling agencies, as well as an agreement signed by Ukraine, and you've shown no sign of support for any of it. When you say "legitimate," are you sure you don't just mean "pro-NATO?"
No, it's very simple. I mean pre-invasion.
But Putonians can't accept that premise because they know that there was never even an effort - not proposed by even the most pro-Russian political parties - to leave Ukraine and join Russia.
I'm talking pre-invasion too. Joining Russia was never an issue until late 2022, after it was clear that negotiations for autonomy had failed.
First invasion
The Donbas overwhelmingly voted for federalization, recognition of the Russian language, and closer ties with Russia in the consultative referendum of 1994. The results were essentially the same in 2014 and 2022, except by 2022 they had suffered years of attacks on civilians by Kiev and were ready to be done with Ukraine altogether. Regardless of any quibbling about what was or wasn't an "invasion," the will of the people has always been quite clear.
Again, pre-invasion 2014, they never voted to leave Ukraine or join Russia, and not a single political party had either in their platform.
And Russia was never demanding that. It's a red herring.
We were discussing the will of the people. One would think there would have been at least some movement in that regard.
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Interesting Hamas Harry AKA Sam Losery doesn't care about this genocide:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/world/articles/un-says-july-deadliest-month-134819959.html
must be because it isn't a stance for the lunatic left
The UN has never made a finding of genocide in Ukraine. Compare those numbers with the numbers in Gaza, and you'll see why.
And maybe you didn't notice, but the left is just as Russophobic as anyone. Ukraine was Biden's war before it was Trump's.
Uh . . . Russia has veto power at the UN, so of course the UN will never declare Russia committed genocide.
Russia has killed 10 times as many Ukrainians as Israel has killed Palestinians.
Russia has taken a significant chunk of Ukraine and threatened to take more.
Putin has said Ukraine is not a real country, and Ukrainians are not a real people.
Yes, Putin has considered genocide compared to Israel, and it's not a close call. And unlike the Palestinians on October 7 and many times prior, Ukraine never attacked Russia.
Russia doesn't have "veto power" over the UN. The Unites States and Russia both have veto power over UNSC resolutions, but that didn't stop the UN commission from its finding of genocide in Gaza.
Israel has killed more civilians in absolute terms, and vastly more in relative terms, than Russia has. This is not close and not in dispute.
Why does it matter civilians or soldiers? Russia invaded Ukraine and wants to wipe Ukraine off the map. In doing so, it has killed hundreds of thousands, injured more, and routinely targeted civilians.
The UN itself did not find Israel committed genocide. A commission did. Really no different than UN reps condemning Russia's invasion of Ukraine and targeting civilians.
Russia never wanted to wipe Ukraine off the map. What they demanded is that a neighboring nation whose territory had been used historically as an invasion route by foreign powers remain neutral and that the Russian people in the eastern half of that nation have their rights respected. That's it. Even EU affiliation wasn't a red line, but NATO membership was and has always been.
Russia is drawing from a pool of 25 million young men who could be put in uniform if need be. Ukraine's total population is 20 million, 10 million of whom are retirees. Ukraine was never going to win the war. Now that they've resorted to drone strikes on Russian civilians, the mood in that country has shifted much more towards "crush Ukraine". If Putin is replaced, you won't like what comes after him.
NATO was opposed by all Ukrainian Pres candidates, the elected Pres, and the strong majority of Ukrainians when Russia invaded.
Russia (Putin) absolutely wants to wipe Ukraine off the map. They've said so for years and also acted on it.
Ukraine may not win the war. I predicted they would not. But Russia sure as heck isn't winning either.
Russia still supports Putin, but support for the war there is at its lowest point.
Ukraine targeting civilians? Now that's funny!
Russians in the east had full rights and were very happy. Polls showed strong majorities opposed joining Russia.
Would you support Serbia annexing Republika Srpska in Bosnia?
No
I'm starting to understand why your family got kicked out of Serbia...
Ha, still have family there, and nobody was kicked out. Most of my family disagrees with me on many Serbian political matters. BTW I would support a referendum in Srpska to become part of Serbia, just as I would have supported a legitimate pre-invasion referendum in East Ukraine to join Russia. It's the unilateral military action I oppose.
This is a rather confusing remark, since there was a legitimate referendum on autonomy, confirmed by multiple Western polling agencies, as well as an agreement signed by Ukraine, and you've shown no sign of support for any of it. When you say "legitimate," are you sure you don't just mean "pro-NATO?"
No, it's very simple. I mean pre-invasion.
But Putonians can't accept that premise because they know that there was never even an effort - not proposed by even the most pro-Russian political parties - to leave Ukraine and join Russia.
I'm talking pre-invasion too. Joining Russia was never an issue until late 2022, after it was clear that negotiations for autonomy had failed.
First invasion
The Donbas overwhelmingly voted for federalization, recognition of the Russian language, and closer ties with Russia in the consultative referendum of 1994. The results were essentially the same in 2014 and 2022, except by 2022 they had suffered years of attacks on civilians by Kiev and were ready to be done with Ukraine altogether. Regardless of any quibbling about what was or wasn't an "invasion," the will of the people has always been quite clear.
Again, pre-invasion 2014, they never voted to leave Ukraine or join Russia, and not a single political party had either in their platform.
And Russia was never demanding that. It's a red herring.
We were discussing the will of the people. One would think there would have been at least some movement in that regard.
There was definitely a movement for autonomy within a federalist Ukrainian state. But you understand that can't happen without Ukraine's cooperation.
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I'm not sure what you're saying they didn't attempt. The Minsk Agreements provided for autonomy, but they were never implemented. No one in Russia or Ukraine wanted the east to become part of Russia until all other solutions failed.
I don't see how any of that invalidates the referendums of 2014 or 2022. We may not like the fact that Russia intervened, but the Donbas was subject to constant attacks from Kiev, and they mostly welcomed the Russians as liberators. You and I can't say they forfeited their right to self-determination by doing so.
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I'm not sure what you're saying they didn't attempt. The Minsk Agreements provided for autonomy, but they were never implemented. No one in Russia or Ukraine wanted the east to become part of Russia until all other solutions failed.
I don't see how any of that invalidates the referendums of 2014 or 2022. We may not like the fact that Russia intervened, but the Donbas was subject to constant attacks from Kiev, and they mostly welcomed the Russians as liberators. You and I can't say they forfeited their right to self-determination by doing so.
I'd love to see those referendums and legislative proposals (again, pre-invasion) that proposed greater autonomy.
I don't know how I can be clearer: No post-invasion referendums are legitimate. Russia had taken over. People fled. Many who stayed protested the votes or were afraid to vote. Russia administered and oversaw the "vote." No international observers or counties that were not friends with Russia recognized them. They were the very definition of shams.
The Minsk agreements were post-invasion.
