Why Are We in Ukraine?

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Realitybites
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Russia Proclaims Final Victory Over Key City Of Pokrovsk On Eve Of Putin-Witkoff Peace Plan Meeting

"Update(1710ET): Russia finally and formally announced Monday its forces have captured the city of Pokrovsk in eastern Ukraine, the long fought-over strategic military logistics hub, as well as the city of Vovchansk in the northeast.

The capture of Pokrovsk has long been seen as inevitable, after starting weeks ago Russian troops were filmed patrolling freely and casually in a southern district of the city which had a pre-war population of 60,000.
Russia's military chief of staff, Valery Gerasimov, on Sunday had "informed [President] Vladimir Putin of the liberation of the cities of Krasnoarmeysk and Vovchansk," according to the Kremlin statement first released on Telegram Monday. Krasnoarmeysk is the Russian name for Pokrovsk.

Pokrovsk has long been seen as military gateway for control over the whole east, and if there were any doubts about Russia's military dominance along the frontlines - the overrunning of Pokrovsk has laid these doubts to rest."
sombear
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Realitybites said:

Russia Proclaims Final Victory Over Key City Of Pokrovsk On Eve Of Putin-Witkoff Peace Plan Meeting

"Update(1710ET): Russia finally and formally announced Monday its forces have captured the city of Pokrovsk in eastern Ukraine, the long fought-over strategic military logistics hub, as well as the city of Vovchansk in the northeast.

The capture of Pokrovsk has long been seen as inevitable, after starting weeks ago Russian troops were filmed patrolling freely and casually in a southern district of the city which had a pre-war population of 60,000.
Russia's military chief of staff, Valery Gerasimov, on Sunday had "informed [President] Vladimir Putin of the liberation of the cities of Krasnoarmeysk and Vovchansk," according to the Kremlin statement first released on Telegram Monday. Krasnoarmeysk is the Russian name for Pokrovsk.

Pokrovsk has long been seen as military gateway for control over the whole east, and if there were any doubts about Russia's military dominance along the frontlines - the overrunning of Pokrovsk has laid these doubts to rest."

I did a quick count, and that is the 11th time in over a year that Russia has claimed it captured Pokrovsk. Russia's own millbloggers have acknowledged it has cost tens of thousands of Russian soldiers with many more injured.

Congrats on taking another abandoned town with zero remaining strategic significance, Vlad!

BTW, are you finally admitting to supporting Russia?
Sam Lowry
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sombear said:

Sam Lowry said:

sombear said:

KaiBear said:

sombear said:

KaiBear said:

Harris was stupid enough to do almost anything.

Including sending US forces to fight for Ukraine.

The country now is ready to collapse.

All because of Biden and his puppet masters.

I can't recall this last time I defended Biden on anything . . . .

But it's silly to blame Biden or anyone else.

Over 85% of Ukrainians supported defending itself against Russia. When details of Russia's terms were provided, less than 5% supported agreeing.

After almost 4 years of hell, the vast majority still oppose surrendering on Russia's terms.

Ukrainians are proud, tough-as-nails, freedom-loving, God-loving people. They were never going to give up their sovereignty to Russia without fighting.

Anyone with even a middle school level of history study should understand their resolve.


The Biden administration continued to insist on Ukrainian membership into NATO even after Putin had placed 200,000 Russian troops on the border.

The single biggest US foreign policy blunder since the Korean War.

Not true. It was widely reported that Ukraine was willing to take NATO off the table and that Biden was on board.

And, remember, when Russia invaded in 2014, Ukraine did not even want NATO.

This was NEVER about NATO. And it still isn't. No-NATO has been part of every US proposal to end this war, and Ukraine has agreed to it.

The US has never offered any such thing. Ukraine was close to such an agreement at Istanbul until we intervened.


I provided the sources, which included Russian negotiators.

Your sources are notable for what they don't say -- not one word about any "no NATO" offer from the US. What you have are some preliminary discussion points and contradictory accounts of back-channel talks leading up to Istanbul, all of which meant very little unless the Americans were on board. Once NATO was officially on the table, it was Ukraine and its Western backers who walked away as always. Arakhamia himself admitted that neutrality was by far the Russians' overriding concern and that they were willing to end the war immediately if that issue was resolved.
Sam Lowry
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sombear said:

Realitybites said:

Meanwhile, in "Europe's largest Christian Democracy" /s

Horrifying Scandal Reveals Brutal Underbelly of Zelensky's Regime: Ukrainian Draft Officer Arrested for Mutilating Conscript's Genitals

EU Issues Warning to Ukraine as New Corruption Scandal Engulfs the Zelensky Regime's Inner Circle

This is unbelievable comedic relief . . . thank you!

According to a report from the Ukrainian news outlet Pravda, a Russian-state-backed website that is designed to impersonate a legitimate Ukrainian news . . . .

The Gateway Pundit is misinforming you. The report is from Ukrainska Pravda, a generally pro-Western news source and one of the most popular in Ukraine. Pravda Ukraine was a Soviet propaganda rag that went out of business years ago.
Sam Lowry
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Realitybites said:

Russia Proclaims Final Victory Over Key City Of Pokrovsk On Eve Of Putin-Witkoff Peace Plan Meeting

"Update(1710ET): Russia finally and formally announced Monday its forces have captured the city of Pokrovsk in eastern Ukraine, the long fought-over strategic military logistics hub, as well as the city of Vovchansk in the northeast.

The capture of Pokrovsk has long been seen as inevitable, after starting weeks ago Russian troops were filmed patrolling freely and casually in a southern district of the city which had a pre-war population of 60,000.
Russia's military chief of staff, Valery Gerasimov, on Sunday had "informed [President] Vladimir Putin of the liberation of the cities of Krasnoarmeysk and Vovchansk," according to the Kremlin statement first released on Telegram Monday. Krasnoarmeysk is the Russian name for Pokrovsk.

Pokrovsk has long been seen as military gateway for control over the whole east, and if there were any doubts about Russia's military dominance along the frontlines - the overrunning of Pokrovsk has laid these doubts to rest."

Endgame in Donbas.
Sam Lowry
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sombear said:

Realitybites said:

Russia Proclaims Final Victory Over Key City Of Pokrovsk On Eve Of Putin-Witkoff Peace Plan Meeting

"Update(1710ET): Russia finally and formally announced Monday its forces have captured the city of Pokrovsk in eastern Ukraine, the long fought-over strategic military logistics hub, as well as the city of Vovchansk in the northeast.

The capture of Pokrovsk has long been seen as inevitable, after starting weeks ago Russian troops were filmed patrolling freely and casually in a southern district of the city which had a pre-war population of 60,000.
Russia's military chief of staff, Valery Gerasimov, on Sunday had "informed [President] Vladimir Putin of the liberation of the cities of Krasnoarmeysk and Vovchansk," according to the Kremlin statement first released on Telegram Monday. Krasnoarmeysk is the Russian name for Pokrovsk.

Pokrovsk has long been seen as military gateway for control over the whole east, and if there were any doubts about Russia's military dominance along the frontlines - the overrunning of Pokrovsk has laid these doubts to rest."

I did a quick count, and that is the 11th time in over a year that Russia has claimed it captured Pokrovsk.

They've announced it exactly once as of today.
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