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Trump just paused all military aid to Ukraine

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Good for him.

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Trump just paused all military aid to Ukraine

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Wow, didn't think he'd do it.

Another broken American promise, all because Trump got his feelings hurt. What a teenage drama queen.

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We betrayed Ukraine the day we promised to support this war. There were only two possible ways out -- hot war with Russia, or throwing Ukraine under the bus.

There is not one person here who would "stand with Ukraine" if they understood what that ultimately meant. Not one.

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Trump just paused all military aid to Ukraine

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Wow, didn't think he'd do it.

Another broken American promise, all because Trump got his feelings hurt. What a teenage drama queen.

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We betrayed Ukraine the day we promised to support this war. There were only two possible ways out -- hot war with Russia, or throwing Ukraine under the bus.

There is not one person here who would "stand with Ukraine" if they understood what that ultimately meant. Not one.

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Nobody in the EU either. They say they will but they've had years of opportunity and nothing. To hell with the Ukraine. It means nothing to any American other than what MSM tells you that it does.

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Trump just paused all military aid to Ukraine

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Wow, didn't think he'd do it.

Another broken American promise, all because Trump got his feelings hurt. What a teenage drama queen.

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We betrayed Ukraine the day we promised to support this war. There were only two possible ways out -- hot war with Russia, or throwing Ukraine under the bus.

There is not one person here who would "stand with Ukraine" if they understood what that ultimately meant. Not one.

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Not really, but keep puffing that Russian ****.

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Trump just paused all military aid to Ukraine

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Wow, didn't think he'd do it.

Another broken American promise, all because Trump got his feelings hurt. What a teenage drama queen.

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Trump just saved us another few million dollars that we never would have gotten a return on. Why does that bother you?

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We broke a 30-year promise. Our word now is meaningless to the free world.

Do you know many Ukrainians? They are some of the greatest people you'll ever meet. They love America. They love freedom. And they've proven they'll fight like mad to defend what they love. We just quit on them and sided with the epitome of evil.

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Risking nuclear conflagration and sacrificing hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians in a pointless slaughter for the enrichment of Western oligarchs is the epitome of evil. It may be the worst crime against humanity that I've seen in my lifetime. Kudos to Trump for saying enough is enough.

Ukraine, Odessa February 2025.pic.twitter.com/vWHPmWTuXN

— RadioGenoa (@RadioGenoa) March 3, 2025

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Trump just paused all military aid to Ukraine

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Wow, didn't think he'd do it.

Another broken American promise, all because Trump got his feelings hurt. What a teenage drama queen.

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Trump just saved us another few million dollars that we never would have gotten a return on. Why does that bother you?

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We broke a 30-year promise. Our word now is meaningless to the free world.

Do you know many Ukrainians? They are some of the greatest people you'll ever meet. They love America. They love freedom. And they've proven they'll fight like mad to defend what they love. We just quit on them and sided with the epitome of evil.

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Stop spouting CNN and change the channel. There are much greater evils out there than Putin. And why do we have to keep funding the "Free World"? They only reason they are Free is because we are paying for everything.

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They've paid with their lives for 10 years. Courage and bravery to admire.

We promised we'd protect them.

I don't watch tv news, and if I did, it sure as heck wouldn't be CNN

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Trump just paused all military aid to Ukraine

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Wow, didn't think he'd do it.

Another broken American promise, all because Trump got his feelings hurt. What a teenage drama queen.

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Trump just saved us another few million dollars that we never would have gotten a return on. Why does that bother you?

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We broke a 30-year promise. Our word now is meaningless to the free world.

Do you know many Ukrainians? They are some of the greatest people you'll ever meet. They love America. They love freedom. And they've proven they'll fight like mad to defend what they love. We just quit on them and sided with the epitome of evil.

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Risking nuclear conflagration and sacrificing hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians in a pointless slaughter for the enrichment of Western oligarchs is the epitome of evil. It may be the worst crime against humanity that I've seen in my lifetime. Kudos to Trump for saying enough is enough.

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Well said Sam. Proud of ya

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I'll admit I'm proud of Trump for this one. I don't always like him, but it takes courage to go against the zombie warmonger hordes and do what's right for us and Ukraine.

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And Rada formally put the issue to bed shortly after, and the public was 80% opposed until Russia invaded.

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The Euromaidan protestors in Kyiv with their pro-EU and pro-NATO signs did not get the message.

And right after they took power they put NATO aspirations into the Constitution

Not sure why you keep working on this hobby horse idea that joining NATO was not something the pro-Western parties were pushing for in Ukraine.

It was something they had been advocating for 20 years

[The July 1 vote came exactly eight years after the then President, Leonid Kuchma, (President from July 1994 to January 2005) issued a decree that first announced Ukraine's desire to join NATO. He followed this with two failed attempts to obtain a Membership Action Plan (MAP) at the Prague 2002 and Istanbul 2004 NATO summits. Parliament's approval of a 2003 law on national security that enshrined Ukraine's desire for NATO membership was voted for overwhelming]

I would also love to see that poll that you claim shows 80% of Ukrainians did not want to join NATO....I would be shocked if it was even 60%

https://jamestown.org/program/ukraine-closes-road-to-nato-membership/

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Virtually every Euro country has considered and hotly debated applying to NATO.

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And virtually every one eventually ended up joining. That's why this whole line of argument is basically meaningless. The fact that there was debate in no way means that it wasn't a genuine concern for the Russians.

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Why should anyone give a tinker's damn about Russian concerns....other than the several of you who insist Russia is some pure, white, Christian Mecca.

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Because it could cost us an assload of money, go on too long, get a lot of young men killed and potential lead to NATO/Western troops on the ground.

I wish it was as simple as giving Ukraine money and they 100% will defeat Russia, but that's not the case. There's a lot of ways this could go very wrong.

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Don't disagree. Perhaps Russia needs to tamper down their ambitions a bit too and stop rolling tanks into their neighboring countries and using the NATO Invasion Bogeyman as their excuse.

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I don't think Russia was justified invading whatsoever.

I'm not looking at this situation in regard to who is right or wrong. I'm looking at it based on who has leverage/power.

What is the ultimate goal at hand? Do we want peace or do we want war?

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That's a question for Russia. Given the jackpot territorial gains and zero consequences being proposed for ending this, we can sit back and watch the same playbook being used in Moldova. We're at the gas dispute (hybrid warfare) territorial loyalties fight (Transnistria) phase there, similar to Ukraine circa 2008/9.

At some point we'll be forced to take a stand against their expansion. Or just stand by and let it happen at our own risk.

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Or just quit provoking it. It's not like we aren't trying the same tactics in Moldova and Georgia that we did in Ukraine.

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How did we provoke the gas cutoff?

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Trump just paused all military aid to Ukraine

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Wow, didn't think he'd do it.

Another broken American promise, all because Trump got his feelings hurt. What a teenage drama queen.

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Trump just saved us another few million dollars that we never would have gotten a return on. Why does that bother you?

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We broke a 30-year promise. Our word now is meaningless to the free world.

Do you know many Ukrainians? They are some of the greatest people you'll ever meet. They love America. They love freedom. And they've proven they'll fight like mad to defend what they love. We just quit on them and sided with the epitome of evil.

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Stop spouting CNN and change the channel. There are much greater evils out there than Putin. And why do we have to keep funding the "Free World"? They only reason they are Free is because we are paying for everything.

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They've paid with their lives for 10 years. Courage and bravery to admire.

We promised we'd protect them.

I don't watch tv news, and if I did, it sure as heck wouldn't be CNN

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The "free world" has paid with their lives for 10 years? I think not.

if you want to see pure evil, turn on any Liberal news station. 60 million babies butchered since Roe v Wade. Liberals make Putin look like an amateur. And George Soros makes both of them look like 1st year rookies

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Trump just paused all military aid to Ukraine

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Wow, didn't think he'd do it.

Another broken American promise, all because Trump got his feelings hurt. What a teenage drama queen.

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Trump just saved us another few million dollars that we never would have gotten a return on. Why does that bother you?

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We broke a 30-year promise. Our word now is meaningless to the free world.

Do you know many Ukrainians? They are some of the greatest people you'll ever meet. They love America. They love freedom. And they've proven they'll fight like mad to defend what they love. We just quit on them and sided with the epitome of evil.

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Stop spouting CNN and change the channel. There are much greater evils out there than Putin. And why do we have to keep funding the "Free World"? They only reason they are Free is because we are paying for everything.

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They've paid with their lives for 10 years. Courage and bravery to admire.

We promised we'd protect them.

I don't watch tv news, and if I did, it sure as heck wouldn't be CNN

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The "free world" has paid with their lives for 10 years? I think not.

if you want to see pure evil, turn on any Liberal news station. 60 million babies butchered since Roe v Wade. Liberals make Putin look like an amateur. And George Soros makes both of them look like 1st year rookies

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Not sure you've seen a lot of evil if that's where you're at. BTW, they have abortion in Russia and Putin is pro choice if that is important to your "evil" gauge.

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I've worked all over the world, including Haiti, Jamaica during the revolution and Monrovia, Liberia. Yes, I've seen evil. And I am not the one that said Putin was the "epitome of evil". Liberals are MUCH worse. 60 million babies that never committed a single sin... all with their skulls crushed

in a couple more years Russia youth population will catch back up and they can lead the world in abortions again. Another conservative victory?

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Trump just paused all military aid to Ukraine

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Wow, didn't think he'd do it.

Another broken American promise, all because Trump got his feelings hurt. What a teenage drama queen.

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Trump just saved us another few million dollars that we never would have gotten a return on. Why does that bother you?

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We broke a 30-year promise. Our word now is meaningless to the free world.

Do you know many Ukrainians? They are some of the greatest people you'll ever meet. They love America. They love freedom. And they've proven they'll fight like mad to defend what they love. We just quit on them and sided with the epitome of evil.

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Risking nuclear conflagration and sacrificing hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians in a pointless slaughter for the enrichment of Western oligarchs is the epitome of evil. It may be the worst crime against humanity that I've seen in my lifetime. Kudos to Trump for saying enough is enough.

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Not the invasion, but the efforts to resist it and the weapons given to assist are the "worst crime against humanity". Unbelievable.

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Trump just paused all military aid to Ukraine

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Wow, didn't think he'd do it.

Another broken American promise, all because Trump got his feelings hurt. What a teenage drama queen.

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Trump just saved us another few million dollars that we never would have gotten a return on. Why does that bother you?

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We broke a 30-year promise. Our word now is meaningless to the free world.

Do you know many Ukrainians? They are some of the greatest people you'll ever meet. They love America. They love freedom. And they've proven they'll fight like mad to defend what they love. We just quit on them and sided with the epitome of evil.

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Risking nuclear conflagration and sacrificing hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians in a pointless slaughter for the enrichment of Western oligarchs is the epitome of evil. It may be the worst crime against humanity that I've seen in my lifetime. Kudos to Trump for saying enough is enough.

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Not the invasion, but the efforts to resist it and the weapons given to assist are the "worst crime against humanity". Unbelievable.

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I could say the same about your defense of pedophilia.

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Trump just paused all military aid to Ukraine

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Wow, didn't think he'd do it.

Another broken American promise, all because Trump got his feelings hurt. What a teenage drama queen.

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Trump just saved us another few million dollars that we never would have gotten a return on. Why does that bother you?

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We broke a 30-year promise. Our word now is meaningless to the free world.

Do you know many Ukrainians? They are some of the greatest people you'll ever meet. They love America. They love freedom. And they've proven they'll fight like mad to defend what they love. We just quit on them and sided with the epitome of evil.

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Is this you?

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Trump just paused all military aid to Ukraine

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Wow, didn't think he'd do it.

Another broken American promise, all because Trump got his feelings hurt. What a teenage drama queen.

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Trump just saved us another few million dollars that we never would have gotten a return on. Why does that bother you?

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We broke a 30-year promise. Our word now is meaningless to the free world.

Do you know many Ukrainians? They are some of the greatest people you'll ever meet. They love America. They love freedom. And they've proven they'll fight like mad to defend what they love. We just quit on them and sided with the epitome of evil.

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Risking nuclear conflagration and sacrificing hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians in a pointless slaughter for the enrichment of Western oligarchs is the epitome of evil. It may be the worst crime against humanity that I've seen in my lifetime. Kudos to Trump for saying enough is enough.

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Not the invasion, but the efforts to resist it and the weapons given to assist are the "worst crime against humanity". Unbelievable.

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Zelensky has insisted on defending indefensible positions, in defiance of advice, and at huge cost in human life, over and over again. We have not only supported but insisted on suicidal gambits like the 2023 counter-offensive. Biden was bloodthirsty enough to try to make conscription of men 18-25 years old a condition of further aid, even though that would effectively end the Ukrainians as a people. The cynics who say we're fighting Russia to the last Ukrainian aren't kidding. It's exactly what we've tried to do, and it is a crime. Anyone who cares at all about Ukraine should want to end this war.

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Trump just paused all military aid to Ukraine

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Wow, didn't think he'd do it.

Another broken American promise, all because Trump got his feelings hurt. What a teenage drama queen.

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Trump just saved us another few million dollars that we never would have gotten a return on. Why does that bother you?

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We broke a 30-year promise. Our word now is meaningless to the free world.

Do you know many Ukrainians? They are some of the greatest people you'll ever meet. They love America. They love freedom. And they've proven they'll fight like mad to defend what they love. We just quit on them and sided with the epitome of evil.

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Risking nuclear conflagration and sacrificing hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians in a pointless slaughter for the enrichment of Western oligarchs is the epitome of evil. It may be the worst crime against humanity that I've seen in my lifetime. Kudos to Trump for saying enough is enough.

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Not the invasion, but the efforts to resist it and the weapons given to assist are the "worst crime against humanity". Unbelievable.

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Zelensky has insisted on defending indefensible positions, in defiance of advice, and at huge cost in human life, over and over again. We have not only supported but insisted on suicidal gambits like the 2023 counter-offensive. Biden was bloodthirsty enough to try to make conscription of men 18-25 years old a condition of further aid, even though that would effectively end the Ukrainians as a people. The cynics who say we're fighting Russia to the last Ukrainian aren't kidding. It's exactly what we've tried to do, and it is a crime. Anyone who cares at all about Ukraine should want to end this war.

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Even if I bought into your theory, it isn't even close to a crime against humanity. Why are you so supportive and forgiving of Russia's role here? I'm sincerely curious.

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Trump just paused all military aid to Ukraine

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Wow, didn't think he'd do it.

Another broken American promise, all because Trump got his feelings hurt. What a teenage drama queen.

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Trump just saved us another few million dollars that we never would have gotten a return on. Why does that bother you?

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We broke a 30-year promise. Our word now is meaningless to the free world.

Do you know many Ukrainians? They are some of the greatest people you'll ever meet. They love America. They love freedom. And they've proven they'll fight like mad to defend what they love. We just quit on them and sided with the epitome of evil.

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Risking nuclear conflagration and sacrificing hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians in a pointless slaughter for the enrichment of Western oligarchs is the epitome of evil. It may be the worst crime against humanity that I've seen in my lifetime. Kudos to Trump for saying enough is enough.

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Not the invasion, but the efforts to resist it and the weapons given to assist are the "worst crime against humanity". Unbelievable.

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I could say the same about your defense of pedophilia.

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What the **** are you talking about you Jew hating sociopath?

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"Jew hating sociopath"... wow... if only you or the idiots who liked your post could get this worked up towards the actual JEWISH criminals abusing children instead of attacking the people who want them to face justice.

These charts are the most concise explanation of Europe I’ve ever seen. pic.twitter.com/WddPyqTVac

— Bonchie (@bonchieredstate) March 3, 2025

My household when we play Uno. Family game night champ pic.twitter.com/cyQKzWjV7Q

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Trump just paused all military aid to Ukraine

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Wow, didn't think he'd do it.

Another broken American promise, all because Trump got his feelings hurt. What a teenage drama queen.

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Trump just saved us another few million dollars that we never would have gotten a return on. Why does that bother you?

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We broke a 30-year promise. Our word now is meaningless to the free world.

Do you know many Ukrainians? They are some of the greatest people you'll ever meet. They love America. They love freedom. And they've proven they'll fight like mad to defend what they love. We just quit on them and sided with the epitome of evil.

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Risking nuclear conflagration and sacrificing hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians in a pointless slaughter for the enrichment of Western oligarchs is the epitome of evil. It may be the worst crime against humanity that I've seen in my lifetime. Kudos to Trump for saying enough is enough.

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Not the invasion, but the efforts to resist it and the weapons given to assist are the "worst crime against humanity". Unbelievable.

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I could say the same about your defense of pedophilia.

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What the **** are you talking about you Jew hating sociopath?

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"Jew hating sociopath"... wow... if only you or the idiots who liked your post could get this worked up towards the actual JEWISH criminals abusing children instead of attacking the people who want them to face justice.

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We sensible folks are very concerned about the pedophilia and sex trafficking. You are concerned about their Jewishness and the pedophilia just gives you a license to go after Jews. That's how sick of an individual you are. BTW, Clinton is a Baptist and Prince Andrew is an Anglican, but I'm sure their Protestantism is of no concern to you.

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Yes... you are very sensible.

Israel running a state sponsored pedophile ring via Jeffrey Epstein and sexually abusing young American girls isnt all that shocking when you realize Israel consistently protects Jewish pedophiles from international justice:

How Jewish American pedophiles hide from justice in Israel

Diaspora pedophiles increasingly use Israel as 'a haven,' activists charge
[url=https://www.timesofisrael.com/diaspora-pedophiles-increasingly-use-israel-as-a-haven-activists-charge/][/url]
With pedophiles seeking sanctuary in Israel, one way parents can protect kids
[url=https://www.timesofisrael.com/diaspora-pedophiles-increasingly-use-israel-as-a-haven-activists-charge/][/url]
Tens of thousands of pedophiles operate in Israel every year

A haven for paedophiles: The ultra-Orthodox settlement where Malka Leifer hides

Israel Becoming a 'Refuge for Pedophiles,' Warns Advocate for Child Sex Abuse Victims

Hollywood director latest sexual predator to find refuge in Israel

What Happens to Sex Offenders Who Flee to Israel?

Let's not forget how Israel honored Roman Polanski, a pedophile fugitive from the US:

Roman Polanski's Holocaust saviors to be named Righteous Among the Nations

Inside story of the night that Polanski raped a child

I dont know if there is a connection between Jewishness and pedophilia or its just that the Jewish religion is ethno-supremacist so the rape and abuse of gentiles is accepted, but regardless there seems to be a very troubling trend of Jews protecting other Jews who have committed sex crimes from prosecution and justice.

And Epstein and his clients appear to be the Mount Everest of these cover-ups.[url=https://nypost.com/2009/10/29/inside-story-of-the-night-that-polanski-raped-a-child/][/url]

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Trump just paused all military aid to Ukraine

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Wow, didn't think he'd do it.

Another broken American promise, all because Trump got his feelings hurt. What a teenage drama queen.

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We betrayed Ukraine the day we promised to support this war. There were only two possible ways out -- hot war with Russia, or throwing Ukraine under the bus.

There is not one person here who would "stand with Ukraine" if they understood what that ultimately meant. Not one.

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We committed to support Ukraine in 94 if they give up their nukes. Why would anyone ever do that again?

https://www.threads.net/@threads__dogs/post/DGv-Q7_t_1O?xmt=AQGz8fenAJJdKhVS0U-DQoP3B1lh7fzBRGCYnedPfsAv1w

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USAID played a critical role in overturning the results of the 2004 Ukrainian presidential election between the pro-Western candidate, Viktor Yuschenko and pro-Russian candidate, Viktor Yanukovych. pic.twitter.com/AnbMEy85Io

— Josiah Lippincott (@jlippincott_) February 4, 2025

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Glad this guy is breaking news that was well known over 20 years ago!

The fight was very much public: Russia and its allies on one wide, the Wes on the other.

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Most Western countries in Europe never wanted this fight.

Most American either for that matter

Nor was the U.S. government open with our people that USAID and other groups were flooding Ukraine with tax payer money to support coups and regime change operations

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sadly, Russia did want this fight, so it landed in our lap anyway.

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lol Nothing landed in our lap

The powers that be in DC spent billions of tax payer dollars and 20+ years getting us into this mess

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uh, no. the taxpayers did not spend billions to foment instability in Ukraine. Russia did that. We did the exact opposite.

There are things to criticize about our Ukraine policy over the last 20 years. But it is silly on every level to suggest that our actions forced Russia into a just war.

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we have played the aggressor for the majority of the past 90 years so who are we to talk?

that and nato has slowly expanded since is creation and the ussr and then russia has been specifically excluded from it

they feel like they are being encroached upon - and they are

it is no different than communism spreading to cuba and our government throwing a fit when it did

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lol Russia is being encroached upon only on the sense the number of countries they can invade goes down when NATO expands.


Zero chance Nato ever invades Russia, and Russia full well knows that

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Had the USA lost the Cold War in 1991 and broken up leaving a rump American Federation that was 33% smaller in territory and with half the population….not to mention having to watch NATO collapse and the Warsaw pact expand to include all of Western Europe (our old sphere of influence )

DC leaders would probably be pretty upset

And they would get downright vicious if Russia then tied to expand its military alliance into Canada or Mexico and put military bases right on our borders

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Again, we see the war policy opponents making stuff up to fit their template.

1) The USSR expanded alliances with states in Central America and we didn't invade them.

2) No one. Not one leader, advocated putting military bases in Ukraine.

3) For that matter, Nato had not put a single permanent base in any of the former Warsaw Pact states, specifically to avoid alarming Russia, to signal that admittance of those states was a "Russia shall not invade here" sign, not a springboard for and invasion of Russia. (And Russia knows that.)

4) on the day the war started in 2014, Ukraine was a Nato partner, JUST LIKE SWEDEN AND FINLAND.

5) Ukraine did not actually apply for membership until after Russia outright invaded in 2022.

The whole "Nato started it" is preposterously disingenuous bs, even more easily disprovable than the "Maidan was a USG sponsored coup" nonsense. Refusing to promise not to do something is not grounds for war. Prudent powers should never say what they will or will not do just to keep others happy. It's called "strategic ambiguity." Keep your opponent guessing. Make them prepare for every scenario, which forces them to disperse resources away from the more likely ones.

The premise of your argument is that we must coddle every Russian concern. How about we start demanding Russia coddle some of ours, like promising not to invade ANYT of their neighbors? Will you advocate going to war with them if they refuse to do so?

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Just to expand on #4 and further demonstrate how ridiculous the NATO argument it, nobody in Ukraine even wanted NATO in 2014. Politicians were uniform in openly running against it. Russia turned Ukraine to NATO by invading it. It's just that simple.

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Not sure why you keep repeating that "no one in Ukraine wanted to join NATO in 2014" or before

Pretty easy to prove that almost half the country did want that.

It was a long time debate in the country....a fault line between the pro-western and pro-eastern parties

Yushchenko was saying in 2009 that Ukraine should join NATO

[Yuschenko stressed that the talks held in the frames of his two-day
official visit to Belgium have shown that Ukraine has all the grounds
to be optimistic about its chances for joining the European Union and
NATO.]

https://www.kyivpost.com/post/10159

[President Viktor Yushchenko hoped to change that. He had been swept to power during the 2004-2005 Orange Revolution, protests that were prompted by reports of electoral fraud. Yushchenko promised the protesters a future that did away with Ukraine's corrupt, Kremlin-dominated past. Much like Georgia, another former Soviet state seeking to shake off Russian influence, Ukraine saw NATO membership as one route to independence and sought membership in 2008.]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2014/09/04/that-time-ukraine-tried-to-join-nato-and-nato-said-no/

Plus here is a BBC article from June of 2010

[Since his February inauguration, Mr Yanukovych has wasted no time in re-shaping Ukraine's foreign policy in a more Moscow-friendly way, the BBC's David Stern in Kiev says.
In April, he agreed to extend the lease allowing Russia's Black Sea fleet to be stationed in the southern port of Sevastopol by 25 years in return for cheaper gas.
An extension of the lease, due to expire in 2017, had been opposed by Mr Yushchenko.
Moscow had made known its opposition to Ukraine's plans to join Nato,]

https://www.bbc.com/news/10229626

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the error in your entire argument here is that talking about Nato is synonymous with joining Nato. But that's not the only factually incorrect statement.

-Nato has never invited Ukraine to join. ]
-Ukraine did not formally apply for Nato membership until AFTER the 2022 Russian invasion.
-Ukraine has never had anywhere close to the required unanimous support required to join Nato.
-Russia knows that.
-Russia also knows that its 2014 move on Crimea makes Ukrainian accession to Nato constitutionally impossible.

and on and on and on....

Nato has, however, had an "open door" policy since 1989 - anyone is welcome to apply.
The essence of your argument is that the open door policy itself is a declaration of war against Russia.

I mean, your facts are wrong, your analysis is wrong, etc...... Nato did not cause the Russo-Ukrainian War. RUSSIA DID.

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They were asking the US about it months before the invasion. Ukraine was not rebuffed by Biden, quite the opposite.
LOL. If Ukraine talks about something Russia doesn't like, Russia can invade?
Russia is massing 150k troops on the border and Ukraine cannot say anything to anyone about help for fear of provoking the invasion Russia is preparing to do?

Sure Russia is the invader and to blame, but let's not pretend that the Ukraine hadn't been cozying up to the US and Biden, we all know Biden was on the take from the Ukraine. If the US approved them joining, it was going to happen.
Why is it NOBODY next to Russia wants to cozy up to them? Is that Nato's fault, too?

You think it didn't play a role, I disagree, I think it likely was the excuse Putin was looking for.
"Excuse" is a good word, and it is highly ironic that you can see that but still blame us/Nato and Ukraine for the whole thing.

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Everything, everywhere, every time......Russia bears no responsibility for anything. Anything it wants, it must have. In the name of world peace.

You sound like the battered housewife scolding the children not to anger their father.