Democrats: We should never ban abortion because women will get abortions anyway, mostly in unsafe ways, with, um, like coat hangers and stuff

Also Democrats: We should ban "assault" weapons because that will keep people from getting them.

Rawhide said:

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Democrats: We should never ban abortion because women will get abortions anyway, mostly in unsafe ways, with, um, like coat hangers and stuff

Also Democrats: We should ban "assault" weapons because that will keep people from getting them.

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I'm 100 percent pro-Dobbs. But if state laws are killing women, those laws are going to get repealed. This is neither compassionate nor politically wise.

Sam Lowry said:

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Rawhide said:

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Democrats: We should never ban abortion because women will get abortions anyway, mostly in unsafe ways, with, um, like coat hangers and stuff

Also Democrats: We should ban "assault" weapons because that will keep people from getting them.

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I'm 100 percent pro-Dobbs. But if state laws are killing women, those laws are going to get repealed. This is neither compassionate nor politically wise.

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State laws aren't killing women. Go read a book. Good grief.

Wrecks Quan Dough said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Rawhide said:

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Democrats: We should never ban abortion because women will get abortions anyway, mostly in unsafe ways, with, um, like coat hangers and stuff

Also Democrats: We should ban "assault" weapons because that will keep people from getting them.

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I'm 100 percent pro-Dobbs. But if state laws are killing women, those laws are going to get repealed. This is neither compassionate nor politically wise.

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State laws aren't killing women. Go read a book. Good grief.

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Doctors seem to disagree, but I'm glad the issue is settled in your mind.

Sam Lowry said:

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Wrecks Quan Dough said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Rawhide said:

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Democrats: We should never ban abortion because women will get abortions anyway, mostly in unsafe ways, with, um, like coat hangers and stuff

Also Democrats: We should ban "assault" weapons because that will keep people from getting them.

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I'm 100 percent pro-Dobbs. But if state laws are killing women, those laws are going to get repealed. This is neither compassionate nor politically wise.

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State laws aren't killing women. Go read a book. Good grief.

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Doctors seem to disagree, but I'm glad the issue is settled in your mind.

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The issue of safety to pregnant women vis a vis birth versus abortion was well settled before Dobbs. Laws don't change that. Just like junk science during scary virus time didn't make masks effective.

Wrecks Quan Dough said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wrecks Quan Dough said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Rawhide said:

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Democrats: We should never ban abortion because women will get abortions anyway, mostly in unsafe ways, with, um, like coat hangers and stuff

Also Democrats: We should ban "assault" weapons because that will keep people from getting them.

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I'm 100 percent pro-Dobbs. But if state laws are killing women, those laws are going to get repealed. This is neither compassionate nor politically wise.

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State laws aren't killing women. Go read a book. Good grief.

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Doctors seem to disagree, but I'm glad the issue is settled in your mind.

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The issue of safety to pregnant women vis a vis birth versus abortion was well settled before Dobbs. Laws don't change that. Just like junk science during scary virus time didn't make masks effective.

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That's not even the issue. We're not talking about the relative dangers of birth and abortion in general. We're talking about pregnancies where the danger is known to exist.

Sam Lowry said:

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Ob-Gyns Say More People Are Dying Since Dobbs Overturned Right to Abortion
Tori Otten
June 21, 2023

Health professionals say that maternal mortality has skyrocketed in the year since Roe v. Wade was overturned, a new survey from KFF found, a sign of how harmful abortion bans are.

The Supreme Court rattled the country when it rolled back the nationwide right to abortion on June 24, 2022. In the year since then, Republican-led states have cracked down on abortion access, imposing confusing restrictions or outright bans on the procedure. Many in the GOP argue that they are not limiting access to medically necessary abortions, but instead are saving lives.

KFF surveyed nearly 600 ob-gyns nationwide from March to May, and found that 68 percent say the Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Organization decision worsened their ability to respond to pregnancy-related emergencies. The survey also found that 64 percent of ob-gyns "believe that the Dobbs decision has worsened pregnancy-related mortality" and 70 percent believe the ruling increased racial and ethnic inequities in maternal health.

Part of this could be due to the fact that all of the new laws surrounding abortion have left doctors confused about what they're even allowed to do. Only 45 percent of ob-gyns in states with abortion restrictions say they understand the circumstances under which abortion is legal.

Many doctors also feel that their hands are tied. In states where abortion is limited, 59 percent of ob-gyns say they are worried about the legal risk when making "decisions about patient care and the necessity of abortion." In states where abortion is banned, that number jumps to 61 percent.

The United States already has the worst maternal mortality rate among developed nations, and health experts have long warned that abortion restrictions would only cause it to rise. A study released in November by researchers at the University of Colorado Boulder found that if abortion is banned nationwide, maternal mortality will rise 24 percent. Maternal mortality among Black people will shoot up 39 percent.

https://newrepublic.com/post/173817/obgyns-say-people-dying-since-dobbs-overturned-right-abortion

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Also, more people are now saying that abortion should be legal.

So, in the long term, Dobbs is having the reverse of its intended results.

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/06/24/supreme-court-public-opinion-abortion-00103493

A key passage:

According to a recent Pew Research Center poll, 62 percent of Americans said abortion should be legal in all or most cases, identical to their last poll, conducted last summer in the days immediately following the Dobbs decision.
That represents the high-water mark for legal abortion in Pew's polling, which dates back to 2007.

Gallup which has some of the longest trendlines when it comes to issues like abortion asked Americans to choose between "pro-choice" and "pro-life" after asking about views on the legality of abortion. They found these numbers to be higher than any other annual recording dating back to 1996: 52 percent picked "pro-choice" this May and 55 percent picked "pro-choice" last May (after POLITICO first reported the court was poised to overturn its Roe precedent).

Sam Lowry said:

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Wrecks Quan Dough said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wrecks Quan Dough said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Rawhide said:

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Democrats: We should never ban abortion because women will get abortions anyway, mostly in unsafe ways, with, um, like coat hangers and stuff

Also Democrats: We should ban "assault" weapons because that will keep people from getting them.

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I'm 100 percent pro-Dobbs. But if state laws are killing women, those laws are going to get repealed. This is neither compassionate nor politically wise.

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State laws aren't killing women. Go read a book. Good grief.

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Doctors seem to disagree, but I'm glad the issue is settled in your mind.

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The issue of safety to pregnant women vis a vis birth versus abortion was well settled before Dobbs. Laws don't change that. Just like junk science during scary virus time didn't make masks effective.

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That's not even the issue. We're not talking about the relative dangers of birth and abortion in general. We're talking about pregnancies where the danger is known to exist.

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In other words, make a policy decision on an extreme minority of cases.

Today we opened an abortion store in Bastrop, TX. Because they can’t stop free speech.

You can still get abortion pills - even in Texas. pic.twitter.com/hVHaziEaXK

— Dr. Jennifer Lincoln | OBGYN (@DrJenLincoln) June 23, 2023

Wrecks Quan Dough said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wrecks Quan Dough said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wrecks Quan Dough said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Rawhide said:

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Democrats: We should never ban abortion because women will get abortions anyway, mostly in unsafe ways, with, um, like coat hangers and stuff

Also Democrats: We should ban "assault" weapons because that will keep people from getting them.

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I'm 100 percent pro-Dobbs. But if state laws are killing women, those laws are going to get repealed. This is neither compassionate nor politically wise.

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State laws aren't killing women. Go read a book. Good grief.

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Doctors seem to disagree, but I'm glad the issue is settled in your mind.

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The issue of safety to pregnant women vis a vis birth versus abortion was well settled before Dobbs. Laws don't change that. Just like junk science during scary virus time didn't make masks effective.

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That's not even the issue. We're not talking about the relative dangers of birth and abortion in general. We're talking about pregnancies where the danger is known to exist.

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In other words, make a policy decision on an extreme minority of cases.

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What policy decision? The exceptions are already in the law. I'm just saying the law needs to be clear so it serves its intended purpose.

Sam Lowry said:

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Wrecks Quan Dough said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wrecks Quan Dough said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wrecks Quan Dough said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Rawhide said:

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Democrats: We should never ban abortion because women will get abortions anyway, mostly in unsafe ways, with, um, like coat hangers and stuff

Also Democrats: We should ban "assault" weapons because that will keep people from getting them.

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I'm 100 percent pro-Dobbs. But if state laws are killing women, those laws are going to get repealed. This is neither compassionate nor politically wise.

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State laws aren't killing women. Go read a book. Good grief.

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Doctors seem to disagree, but I'm glad the issue is settled in your mind.

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The issue of safety to pregnant women vis a vis birth versus abortion was well settled before Dobbs. Laws don't change that. Just like junk science during scary virus time didn't make masks effective.

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That's not even the issue. We're not talking about the relative dangers of birth and abortion in general. We're talking about pregnancies where the danger is known to exist.

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In other words, make a policy decision on an extreme minority of cases.

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What policy decision? The exceptions are already in the law. I'm just saying the law needs to be clear so it serves its intended purpose.

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Fair enough.

Sam Lowry said:

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Ob-Gyns Say More People Are Dying Since Dobbs Overturned Right to Abortion
Tori Otten
June 21, 2023

Health professionals say that maternal mortality has skyrocketed in the year since Roe v. Wade was overturned, a new survey from KFF found, a sign of how harmful abortion bans are.

The Supreme Court rattled the country when it rolled back the nationwide right to abortion on June 24, 2022. In the year since then, Republican-led states have cracked down on abortion access, imposing confusing restrictions or outright bans on the procedure. Many in the GOP argue that they are not limiting access to medically necessary abortions, but instead are saving lives.

KFF surveyed nearly 600 ob-gyns nationwide from March to May, and found that 68 percent say the Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Organization decision worsened their ability to respond to pregnancy-related emergencies. The survey also found that 64 percent of ob-gyns "believe that the Dobbs decision has worsened pregnancy-related mortality" and 70 percent believe the ruling increased racial and ethnic inequities in maternal health.

Part of this could be due to the fact that all of the new laws surrounding abortion have left doctors confused about what they're even allowed to do. Only 45 percent of ob-gyns in states with abortion restrictions say they understand the circumstances under which abortion is legal.

Many doctors also feel that their hands are tied. In states where abortion is limited, 59 percent of ob-gyns say they are worried about the legal risk when making "decisions about patient care and the necessity of abortion." In states where abortion is banned, that number jumps to 61 percent.

The United States already has the worst maternal mortality rate among developed nations, and health experts have long warned that abortion restrictions would only cause it to rise. A study released in November by researchers at the University of Colorado Boulder found that if abortion is banned nationwide, maternal mortality will rise 24 percent. Maternal mortality among Black people will shoot up 39 percent.

https://newrepublic.com/post/173817/obgyns-say-people-dying-since-dobbs-overturned-right-abortion

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1. Don't get pregnant. Too many resources available to prevent that.
2. Professional medical organizations promote a narrow opinion undetached from the professional views of the larger body of practitioners who have little time for politics and have never been part of a serious, objective poll by a reputable company.
3. A significant number of women never seek prenatal care until delivery or a crisis occurs. You can't fix that.

Great job arizona republicans https://t.co/QIpHhEWXMI

— Neil Gorsuch maskless (@GorsuchMaskless) June 23, 2023

drahthaar said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Ob-Gyns Say More People Are Dying Since Dobbs Overturned Right to Abortion
Tori Otten
June 21, 2023

Health professionals say that maternal mortality has skyrocketed in the year since Roe v. Wade was overturned, a new survey from KFF found, a sign of how harmful abortion bans are.

The Supreme Court rattled the country when it rolled back the nationwide right to abortion on June 24, 2022. In the year since then, Republican-led states have cracked down on abortion access, imposing confusing restrictions or outright bans on the procedure. Many in the GOP argue that they are not limiting access to medically necessary abortions, but instead are saving lives.

KFF surveyed nearly 600 ob-gyns nationwide from March to May, and found that 68 percent say the Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Organization decision worsened their ability to respond to pregnancy-related emergencies. The survey also found that 64 percent of ob-gyns "believe that the Dobbs decision has worsened pregnancy-related mortality" and 70 percent believe the ruling increased racial and ethnic inequities in maternal health.

Part of this could be due to the fact that all of the new laws surrounding abortion have left doctors confused about what they're even allowed to do. Only 45 percent of ob-gyns in states with abortion restrictions say they understand the circumstances under which abortion is legal.

Many doctors also feel that their hands are tied. In states where abortion is limited, 59 percent of ob-gyns say they are worried about the legal risk when making "decisions about patient care and the necessity of abortion." In states where abortion is banned, that number jumps to 61 percent.

The United States already has the worst maternal mortality rate among developed nations, and health experts have long warned that abortion restrictions would only cause it to rise. A study released in November by researchers at the University of Colorado Boulder found that if abortion is banned nationwide, maternal mortality will rise 24 percent. Maternal mortality among Black people will shoot up 39 percent.

https://newrepublic.com/post/173817/obgyns-say-people-dying-since-dobbs-overturned-right-abortion

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1. Don't get pregnant. Too many resources available to prevent that.
2. Professional medical organizations promote a narrow opinion undetached from the professional views of the larger body of practitioners who have little time for politics and have never been part of a serious, objective poll by a reputable company.
3. A significant number of women never seek prenatal care until delivery or a crisis occurs. You can't fix that.

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"Don't get pregnant" is not a viable treatment for a pregnant patient.

Sam Lowry said:

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drahthaar said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Ob-Gyns Say More People Are Dying Since Dobbs Overturned Right to Abortion
Tori Otten
June 21, 2023

Health professionals say that maternal mortality has skyrocketed in the year since Roe v. Wade was overturned, a new survey from KFF found, a sign of how harmful abortion bans are.

The Supreme Court rattled the country when it rolled back the nationwide right to abortion on June 24, 2022. In the year since then, Republican-led states have cracked down on abortion access, imposing confusing restrictions or outright bans on the procedure. Many in the GOP argue that they are not limiting access to medically necessary abortions, but instead are saving lives.

KFF surveyed nearly 600 ob-gyns nationwide from March to May, and found that 68 percent say the Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Organization decision worsened their ability to respond to pregnancy-related emergencies. The survey also found that 64 percent of ob-gyns "believe that the Dobbs decision has worsened pregnancy-related mortality" and 70 percent believe the ruling increased racial and ethnic inequities in maternal health.

Part of this could be due to the fact that all of the new laws surrounding abortion have left doctors confused about what they're even allowed to do. Only 45 percent of ob-gyns in states with abortion restrictions say they understand the circumstances under which abortion is legal.

Many doctors also feel that their hands are tied. In states where abortion is limited, 59 percent of ob-gyns say they are worried about the legal risk when making "decisions about patient care and the necessity of abortion." In states where abortion is banned, that number jumps to 61 percent.

The United States already has the worst maternal mortality rate among developed nations, and health experts have long warned that abortion restrictions would only cause it to rise. A study released in November by researchers at the University of Colorado Boulder found that if abortion is banned nationwide, maternal mortality will rise 24 percent. Maternal mortality among Black people will shoot up 39 percent.

https://newrepublic.com/post/173817/obgyns-say-people-dying-since-dobbs-overturned-right-abortion

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1. Don't get pregnant. Too many resources available to prevent that.
2. Professional medical organizations promote a narrow opinion undetached from the professional views of the larger body of practitioners who have little time for politics and have never been part of a serious, objective poll by a reputable company.
3. A significant number of women never seek prenatal care until delivery or a crisis occurs. You can't fix that.

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"Don't get pregnant" is not a viable treatment for a pregnant patient.

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Really? I am pleased to know this new revelation.

Wrecks Quan Dough said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Rawhide said:

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Democrats: We should never ban abortion because women will get abortions anyway, mostly in unsafe ways, with, um, like coat hangers and stuff

Also Democrats: We should ban "assault" weapons because that will keep people from getting them.

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I'm 100 percent pro-Dobbs. But if state laws are killing women, those laws are going to get repealed. This is neither compassionate nor politically wise.

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State laws aren't killing women. Go read a book. Good grief.

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Are state laws killing drivers?

Second. State laws are not killing women.

I'll ask the same question I asked about "the new Jim Crow."

Give me the name of one woman who died in Texas as a result of the Dobbs decision. You idiots are making hysterics out of a survey where people "feel" like women are in danger. Facts don't care about your feelings.

LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Wrecks Quan Dough said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Rawhide said:

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Democrats: We should never ban abortion because women will get abortions anyway, mostly in unsafe ways, with, um, like coat hangers and stuff

Also Democrats: We should ban "assault" weapons because that will keep people from getting them.

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I'm 100 percent pro-Dobbs. But if state laws are killing women, those laws are going to get repealed. This is neither compassionate nor politically wise.

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State laws aren't killing women. Go read a book. Good grief.

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Are state laws killing drivers?

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Only when the drivers crash into a Westlaw terminal.

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Doc Holliday said:

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Less babies are dying since Dobbs

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Less professional performed abortions. No evidence of less babies dying, unless you have a source?

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Adoptions up as much as 30 percent in the past year, Ronnie. Don't kill the messenger. I just watched it on that mega MAGA news outlet, NBC Evening News.

As part of its Dobbs hysteric, the Dallas Morning News ran this gem from a pro-abortion church leader. The histrionics presented remind me of so many regressives on this site. When was the last time a Christian allegedly attacked an abortion clinic? Has it been decades? Yet, this person completely ignores the hundreds of attacks on crisis pregnancy centers and other acts of violence by pro abortion extremists. It is hard to have a rational discussion with people that live in alternate realities.

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Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) pushes his proposed 15-week national abortion ban at the Faith & Freedom Coalition conference:

“I’m for federalism, but federalism doesn’t require me to sit on the sidelines.” pic.twitter.com/SLwoBMiRxr

— The Recount (@therecount) June 23, 2023

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Just has to be Lindsey Graham's last term.

He has degenerated into something so stupid and reckless even South Carolina rednecks won't vote for .

boognish_bear said:

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Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) pushes his proposed 15-week national abortion ban at the Faith & Freedom Coalition conference:

“I’m for federalism, but federalism doesn’t require me to sit on the sidelines.” pic.twitter.com/SLwoBMiRxr

— The Recount (@therecount) June 23, 2023

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vote him out.. He is against the 10th amendment.

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boognish_bear said:

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Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) pushes his proposed 15-week national abortion ban at the Faith & Freedom Coalition conference:

“I’m for federalism, but federalism doesn’t require me to sit on the sidelines.” pic.twitter.com/SLwoBMiRxr

— The Recount (@therecount) June 23, 2023

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vote him out.. He is against the 10th amendment.

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Agreed.

Sam Lowry said:

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Ob-Gyns Say More People Are Dying Since Dobbs Overturned Right to Abortion
Tori Otten
June 21, 2023

Health professionals say that maternal mortality has skyrocketed in the year since Roe v. Wade was overturned, a new survey from KFF found, a sign of how harmful abortion bans are.

The Supreme Court rattled the country when it rolled back the nationwide right to abortion on June 24, 2022. In the year since then, Republican-led states have cracked down on abortion access, imposing confusing restrictions or outright bans on the procedure. Many in the GOP argue that they are not limiting access to medically necessary abortions, but instead are saving lives.

KFF surveyed nearly 600 ob-gyns nationwide from March to May, and found that 68 percent say the Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Organization decision worsened their ability to respond to pregnancy-related emergencies. The survey also found that 64 percent of ob-gyns "believe that the Dobbs decision has worsened pregnancy-related mortality" and 70 percent believe the ruling increased racial and ethnic inequities in maternal health.

Part of this could be due to the fact that all of the new laws surrounding abortion have left doctors confused about what they're even allowed to do. Only 45 percent of ob-gyns in states with abortion restrictions say they understand the circumstances under which abortion is legal.

Many doctors also feel that their hands are tied. In states where abortion is limited, 59 percent of ob-gyns say they are worried about the legal risk when making "decisions about patient care and the necessity of abortion." In states where abortion is banned, that number jumps to 61 percent.

The United States already has the worst maternal mortality rate among developed nations, and health experts have long warned that abortion restrictions would only cause it to rise. A study released in November by researchers at the University of Colorado Boulder found that if abortion is banned nationwide, maternal mortality will rise 24 percent. Maternal mortality among Black people will shoot up 39 percent.

https://newrepublic.com/post/173817/obgyns-say-people-dying-since-dobbs-overturned-right-abortion

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The MASH theme song says suicide is painless…have you considered it?

BellCountyBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Ob-Gyns Say More People Are Dying Since Dobbs Overturned Right to Abortion
Tori Otten
June 21, 2023

Health professionals say that maternal mortality has skyrocketed in the year since Roe v. Wade was overturned, a new survey from KFF found, a sign of how harmful abortion bans are.

The Supreme Court rattled the country when it rolled back the nationwide right to abortion on June 24, 2022. In the year since then, Republican-led states have cracked down on abortion access, imposing confusing restrictions or outright bans on the procedure. Many in the GOP argue that they are not limiting access to medically necessary abortions, but instead are saving lives.

KFF surveyed nearly 600 ob-gyns nationwide from March to May, and found that 68 percent say the Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Organization decision worsened their ability to respond to pregnancy-related emergencies. The survey also found that 64 percent of ob-gyns "believe that the Dobbs decision has worsened pregnancy-related mortality" and 70 percent believe the ruling increased racial and ethnic inequities in maternal health.

Part of this could be due to the fact that all of the new laws surrounding abortion have left doctors confused about what they're even allowed to do. Only 45 percent of ob-gyns in states with abortion restrictions say they understand the circumstances under which abortion is legal.

Many doctors also feel that their hands are tied. In states where abortion is limited, 59 percent of ob-gyns say they are worried about the legal risk when making "decisions about patient care and the necessity of abortion." In states where abortion is banned, that number jumps to 61 percent.

The United States already has the worst maternal mortality rate among developed nations, and health experts have long warned that abortion restrictions would only cause it to rise. A study released in November by researchers at the University of Colorado Boulder found that if abortion is banned nationwide, maternal mortality will rise 24 percent. Maternal mortality among Black people will shoot up 39 percent.

https://newrepublic.com/post/173817/obgyns-say-people-dying-since-dobbs-overturned-right-abortion

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The MASH theme song says suicide is painless…have you considered it?

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No, but I don't live in Bell County.

Sam Lowry said:

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BellCountyBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Ob-Gyns Say More People Are Dying Since Dobbs Overturned Right to Abortion
Tori Otten
June 21, 2023

Health professionals say that maternal mortality has skyrocketed in the year since Roe v. Wade was overturned, a new survey from KFF found, a sign of how harmful abortion bans are.

The Supreme Court rattled the country when it rolled back the nationwide right to abortion on June 24, 2022. In the year since then, Republican-led states have cracked down on abortion access, imposing confusing restrictions or outright bans on the procedure. Many in the GOP argue that they are not limiting access to medically necessary abortions, but instead are saving lives.

KFF surveyed nearly 600 ob-gyns nationwide from March to May, and found that 68 percent say the Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Organization decision worsened their ability to respond to pregnancy-related emergencies. The survey also found that 64 percent of ob-gyns "believe that the Dobbs decision has worsened pregnancy-related mortality" and 70 percent believe the ruling increased racial and ethnic inequities in maternal health.

Part of this could be due to the fact that all of the new laws surrounding abortion have left doctors confused about what they're even allowed to do. Only 45 percent of ob-gyns in states with abortion restrictions say they understand the circumstances under which abortion is legal.

Many doctors also feel that their hands are tied. In states where abortion is limited, 59 percent of ob-gyns say they are worried about the legal risk when making "decisions about patient care and the necessity of abortion." In states where abortion is banned, that number jumps to 61 percent.

The United States already has the worst maternal mortality rate among developed nations, and health experts have long warned that abortion restrictions would only cause it to rise. A study released in November by researchers at the University of Colorado Boulder found that if abortion is banned nationwide, maternal mortality will rise 24 percent. Maternal mortality among Black people will shoot up 39 percent.

https://newrepublic.com/post/173817/obgyns-say-people-dying-since-dobbs-overturned-right-abortion

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The MASH theme song says suicide is painless…have you considered it?

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No, but I don't live in Bell County.

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That explains why property tax assessments keep going up.

Wrecks Quan Dough said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Rawhide said:

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Democrats: We should never ban abortion because women will get abortions anyway, mostly in unsafe ways, with, um, like coat hangers and stuff

Also Democrats: We should ban "assault" weapons because that will keep people from getting them.

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I'm 100 percent pro-Dobbs. But if state laws are killing women, those laws are going to get repealed. This is neither compassionate nor politically wise.

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State laws aren't killing women. Go read a book. Good grief.

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Related: Federal policy killed hikers in Big Bend National Park last week. Federal policy allows the park to stay open in 119 degree heat.

BellCountyBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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BellCountyBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Ob-Gyns Say More People Are Dying Since Dobbs Overturned Right to Abortion
Tori Otten
June 21, 2023

Health professionals say that maternal mortality has skyrocketed in the year since Roe v. Wade was overturned, a new survey from KFF found, a sign of how harmful abortion bans are.

The Supreme Court rattled the country when it rolled back the nationwide right to abortion on June 24, 2022. In the year since then, Republican-led states have cracked down on abortion access, imposing confusing restrictions or outright bans on the procedure. Many in the GOP argue that they are not limiting access to medically necessary abortions, but instead are saving lives.

KFF surveyed nearly 600 ob-gyns nationwide from March to May, and found that 68 percent say the Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Organization decision worsened their ability to respond to pregnancy-related emergencies. The survey also found that 64 percent of ob-gyns "believe that the Dobbs decision has worsened pregnancy-related mortality" and 70 percent believe the ruling increased racial and ethnic inequities in maternal health.

Part of this could be due to the fact that all of the new laws surrounding abortion have left doctors confused about what they're even allowed to do. Only 45 percent of ob-gyns in states with abortion restrictions say they understand the circumstances under which abortion is legal.

Many doctors also feel that their hands are tied. In states where abortion is limited, 59 percent of ob-gyns say they are worried about the legal risk when making "decisions about patient care and the necessity of abortion." In states where abortion is banned, that number jumps to 61 percent.

The United States already has the worst maternal mortality rate among developed nations, and health experts have long warned that abortion restrictions would only cause it to rise. A study released in November by researchers at the University of Colorado Boulder found that if abortion is banned nationwide, maternal mortality will rise 24 percent. Maternal mortality among Black people will shoot up 39 percent.

https://newrepublic.com/post/173817/obgyns-say-people-dying-since-dobbs-overturned-right-abortion

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The MASH theme song says suicide is painless…have you considered it?

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No, but I don't live in Bell County.

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That explains why property tax assessments keep going up.

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You flatter me, sir. I'm sure there are plenty of good lawyers in Temple who could handle an appraisal issue for you.

A New JAMA Study Shows That the Texas Heartbeat Act Has Saved Thousands of Lives
By Michael J. New
June 29, 2023

On Thursday, the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) published a study analyzing the impact of the Texas Heartbeat Act. The law took effect September 1, 2021, and protects preborn children after a fetal heartbeat can be detected, usually around six weeks' gestation. This JAMA study analyzed monthly birth data between 2016 and 2022 from all 50 states and the District of Columbia. It found that the Heartbeat Act was associated with 9,799 additional births in Texas between April 2022 and December 2022. In short, the Texas Heartbeat Act has saved over 1,000 lives every month.

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/a-new-jama-study-shows-that-the-texas-heartbeat-act-has-saved-thousands-of-lives/?utm_source=recirc-desktop&utm_medium=homepage&utm_campaign=right-rail&utm_content=corner&utm_term=second

Sam Lowry said:

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A New JAMA Study Shows That the Texas Heartbeat Act Has Saved Thousands of Lives
By Michael J. New
June 29, 2023

On Thursday, the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) published a study analyzing the impact of the Texas Heartbeat Act. The law took effect September 1, 2021, and protects preborn children after a fetal heartbeat can be detected, usually around six weeks' gestation. This JAMA study analyzed monthly birth data between 2016 and 2022 from all 50 states and the District of Columbia. It found that the Heartbeat Act was associated with 9,799 additional births in Texas between April 2022 and December 2022. In short, the Texas Heartbeat Act has saved over 1,000 lives every month.

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/a-new-jama-study-shows-that-the-texas-heartbeat-act-has-saved-thousands-of-lives/?utm_source=recirc-desktop&utm_medium=homepage&utm_campaign=right-rail&utm_content=corner&utm_term=second

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Somewhere in hell Ruth Ginsberg is turning over because all those darkies are breeding.

A new analysis from Johns Hopkins found that Texas saw close to 10,000 additional live births over a nine-month period after implementing its abortion ban at around six weeks of pregnancy. https://t.co/ptGmxT0Rdd

— Texas Tribune (@TexasTribune) June 30, 2023

"The state is still battling persistently high maternal mortality numbers, a crisis disproportionately impacting Black women, and is staring down a health care provider shortage that is already limiting labor and delivery options in rural areas.

Compared to states where abortion remains legal, states that have restricted abortion access tend to have fewer maternity care providers, higher rates of maternal mortality and greater racial inequities across their health care system, a 2022 study from the Commonwealth Fund found.

The Commonwealth Fund seems slightly biased.
https://www.commonwealthfund.org/

Still waiting for the name of one mother who died in Texas due to the Dobbs decision.

boognish_bear said:

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Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) pushes his proposed 15-week national abortion ban at the Faith & Freedom Coalition conference:

“I’m for federalism, but federalism doesn’t require me to sit on the sidelines.” pic.twitter.com/SLwoBMiRxr

— The Recount (@therecount) June 23, 2023

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"Will sell principles for votes "

Harrison Bergeron said:

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Still waiting for the name of one mother who died in Texas due to the Dobbs decision.

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Still waiting for the name of one child killed by Plan B pill.