Harrison Bergeron said:
intellect and reason vs. emotion and feelings.
Liberals live their lives based on what they want and how they feelRD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
Democrats will proudly vote for a candidate with Dementia, Alzheimer's, or severe stroke limitations. Even if it threatens all of our national security and safety.
Republicans will not.
2024. Vote early. Vote often.
Neither party cares about national security if it gets in the way of partisan agendas. This is actually a key similarity between them (see Trump and the Mar-a-Lago documents, for example).RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
Democrats will proudly vote for a candidate with Dementia, Alzheimer's, or severe stroke limitations. Even if it threatens all of our national security and safety.
Republicans will not.
2024. Vote early. Vote often.
Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:
You really hate democracy dont you? You seem unwilling to accept the decisions of the voters.
Rawhide said:Liberals live their lives based on what they want and how they feelRD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
Democrats will proudly vote for a candidate with Dementia, Alzheimer's, or severe stroke limitations. Even if it threatens all of our national security and safety.
Republicans will not.
2024. Vote early. Vote often.
Conservatives live their lives based on what they know and what they believe
Or as logical.FLBear5630 said:Rawhide said:Liberals live their lives based on what they want and how they feelRD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
Democrats will proudly vote for a candidate with Dementia, Alzheimer's, or severe stroke limitations. Even if it threatens all of our national security and safety.
Republicans will not.
2024. Vote early. Vote often.
Conservatives live their lives based on what they know and what they believe
We rely on that and Dems will win big. I believe you overestimate the number of conservatives that think like you. 202p and especially 2022 should send warning flags that the great red wave in logical conservatives is not as big as believed.
Where in my response did I talk about red waves or elections or 2021 or 2022?FLBear5630 said:Rawhide said:Liberals live their lives based on what they want and how they feelRD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
Democrats will proudly vote for a candidate with Dementia, Alzheimer's, or severe stroke limitations. Even if it threatens all of our national security and safety.
Republicans will not.
2024. Vote early. Vote often.
Conservatives live their lives based on what they know and what they believe
We rely on that and Dems will win big. I believe you overestimate the number of conservatives that think like you. 202p and especially 2022 should send warning flags that the great red wave in logical conservatives is not as big as believed.
4th and Inches said:Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:
You really hate democracy dont you? You seem unwilling to accept the decisions of the voters.
Why dont you believe him..
Rawhide said:Where in my response did I talk about red waves or elections or 2021 or 2022?FLBear5630 said:Rawhide said:Liberals live their lives based on what they want and how they feelRD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
Democrats will proudly vote for a candidate with Dementia, Alzheimer's, or severe stroke limitations. Even if it threatens all of our national security and safety.
Republicans will not.
2024. Vote early. Vote often.
Conservatives live their lives based on what they know and what they believe
We rely on that and Dems will win big. I believe you overestimate the number of conservatives that think like you. 202p and especially 2022 should send warning flags that the great red wave in logical conservatives is not as big as believed.
FLBear5630 said:Do you want to win and be in a position to make incremental changes. Or, watch Biden give away the farm, push a Progressive agenda and roll over around the world? Pick one, I prefer health care and affordable housing. But, if it is cheaper to do Student Loans, I can live with it.KaiBear said:FLBear5630 said:I agree. There is enough room for the Trumps to the Romney's.Mothra said:FLBear5630 said:Mothra said:FLBear5630 said:Well, according to the Atlantic (I know not a good source) the Dems are selling themselves as the Conservative Party because the GOP has gone so far right that they are just left of Mussolini.Mothra said:
Vote on policy. I'll say it again, vote on policy. One more time, vote on policy.
Some people are just too dumb to get this very simple concept. That is why we get presidents like Joe Biden.
The Democrats Are Now America's Conservative Party (msn.com)
I know nobody pays attention, as 70 million sign up for Zuckerberg's newest addiction...
The liberal rags love their propaganda. The idea that the Democrats are now the conservative party is total horse***** I think you know that. The Dems are as left as they've ever been. So while the milquetoast republicans complain about how far right the party has gone, there has been a corresponding move to the left by the Dems.
I agree, Dem is not conservative. You are missing my point, not that they are right but there are more of them than this Board thinks and this Board is not mainstream voters. To win, the GOP needs the milquetoast Republicans and the independents that believe what is written. Antagonize zing them is not gonna get them to vote Conservative. For example, right now many young people believe Biden is the only one trying to help them on student loans. Telling them you took the loan, deal with it is not gonna get them to vote GOP. I think we overestimate the number of conservatives.
This seems to be a different point than the one I responded to - one that I don't necessarily disagree with. But the difference between us is I don't think anyone is trying to antagonize voters such as yourself. I think the party has a big enough tent for you and the righter wingers. Let's focus on the common ground and go from there.
My point is that in order to win, the GOP has to offer an alternative to what the Dems are pushing that will make people's lives better on issues that matter to those on the fence. Fixing health care, student loan debt, affordable housing, etc...
They may agree on border issues, but in real life it does not impact the wide swath needed to pull over those that are on the fence. I am not seeing or hearing GOP alternatives to the issues the Dems will push. You may vote on policy, but you are the minority.
So republicans need to successfully outbid democrats for the votes of debt riddled , fundamentally lazy , half ignorant voters when our national debt is threatening to destroy our entire economic system?
You can be as idealistic as you want, but elections are a popularity contest. Calling voters "debt riddled, fundamentally lazy, half ignorant voters" will win over a lot of votes. Trump is not running against Hillary, Biden beat him from his basement. Need to change the game plan or get the same result.
But, I get the idea the GOP would rather ***** from what they consider the idealistic high ground while the Nation goes down the toilet rather than compromise and actually get in the seat and fix it.
Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:4th and Inches said:Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:
You really hate democracy dont you? You seem unwilling to accept the decisions of the voters.
Why dont you believe him..
I dont believe either has our countries best interest as a goal. Both are party shills along with those who vote for them
Mothra said:FLBear5630 said:Do you want to win and be in a position to make incremental changes. Or, watch Biden give away the farm, push a Progressive agenda and roll over around the world? Pick one, I prefer health care and affordable housing. But, if it is cheaper to do Student Loans, I can live with it.KaiBear said:FLBear5630 said:I agree. There is enough room for the Trumps to the Romney's.Mothra said:FLBear5630 said:Mothra said:FLBear5630 said:Well, according to the Atlantic (I know not a good source) the Dems are selling themselves as the Conservative Party because the GOP has gone so far right that they are just left of Mussolini.Mothra said:
Vote on policy. I'll say it again, vote on policy. One more time, vote on policy.
Some people are just too dumb to get this very simple concept. That is why we get presidents like Joe Biden.
The Democrats Are Now America's Conservative Party (msn.com)
I know nobody pays attention, as 70 million sign up for Zuckerberg's newest addiction...
The liberal rags love their propaganda. The idea that the Democrats are now the conservative party is total horse***** I think you know that. The Dems are as left as they've ever been. So while the milquetoast republicans complain about how far right the party has gone, there has been a corresponding move to the left by the Dems.
I agree, Dem is not conservative. You are missing my point, not that they are right but there are more of them than this Board thinks and this Board is not mainstream voters. To win, the GOP needs the milquetoast Republicans and the independents that believe what is written. Antagonize zing them is not gonna get them to vote Conservative. For example, right now many young people believe Biden is the only one trying to help them on student loans. Telling them you took the loan, deal with it is not gonna get them to vote GOP. I think we overestimate the number of conservatives.
This seems to be a different point than the one I responded to - one that I don't necessarily disagree with. But the difference between us is I don't think anyone is trying to antagonize voters such as yourself. I think the party has a big enough tent for you and the righter wingers. Let's focus on the common ground and go from there.
My point is that in order to win, the GOP has to offer an alternative to what the Dems are pushing that will make people's lives better on issues that matter to those on the fence. Fixing health care, student loan debt, affordable housing, etc...
They may agree on border issues, but in real life it does not impact the wide swath needed to pull over those that are on the fence. I am not seeing or hearing GOP alternatives to the issues the Dems will push. You may vote on policy, but you are the minority.
So republicans need to successfully outbid democrats for the votes of debt riddled , fundamentally lazy , half ignorant voters when our national debt is threatening to destroy our entire economic system?
You can be as idealistic as you want, but elections are a popularity contest. Calling voters "debt riddled, fundamentally lazy, half ignorant voters" will win over a lot of votes. Trump is not running against Hillary, Biden beat him from his basement. Need to change the game plan or get the same result.
But, I get the idea the GOP would rather ***** from what they consider the idealistic high ground while the Nation goes down the toilet rather than compromise and actually get in the seat and fix it.
It's hard to recall a Republican candidate who won an election by moving to the middle. I can't think of one in my lifetime. Can you?
FLBear5630 said:Mothra said:FLBear5630 said:Do you want to win and be in a position to make incremental changes. Or, watch Biden give away the farm, push a Progressive agenda and roll over around the world? Pick one, I prefer health care and affordable housing. But, if it is cheaper to do Student Loans, I can live with it.KaiBear said:FLBear5630 said:I agree. There is enough room for the Trumps to the Romney's.Mothra said:FLBear5630 said:Mothra said:FLBear5630 said:Well, according to the Atlantic (I know not a good source) the Dems are selling themselves as the Conservative Party because the GOP has gone so far right that they are just left of Mussolini.Mothra said:
Vote on policy. I'll say it again, vote on policy. One more time, vote on policy.
Some people are just too dumb to get this very simple concept. That is why we get presidents like Joe Biden.
The Democrats Are Now America's Conservative Party (msn.com)
I know nobody pays attention, as 70 million sign up for Zuckerberg's newest addiction...
The liberal rags love their propaganda. The idea that the Democrats are now the conservative party is total horse***** I think you know that. The Dems are as left as they've ever been. So while the milquetoast republicans complain about how far right the party has gone, there has been a corresponding move to the left by the Dems.
I agree, Dem is not conservative. You are missing my point, not that they are right but there are more of them than this Board thinks and this Board is not mainstream voters. To win, the GOP needs the milquetoast Republicans and the independents that believe what is written. Antagonize zing them is not gonna get them to vote Conservative. For example, right now many young people believe Biden is the only one trying to help them on student loans. Telling them you took the loan, deal with it is not gonna get them to vote GOP. I think we overestimate the number of conservatives.
This seems to be a different point than the one I responded to - one that I don't necessarily disagree with. But the difference between us is I don't think anyone is trying to antagonize voters such as yourself. I think the party has a big enough tent for you and the righter wingers. Let's focus on the common ground and go from there.
My point is that in order to win, the GOP has to offer an alternative to what the Dems are pushing that will make people's lives better on issues that matter to those on the fence. Fixing health care, student loan debt, affordable housing, etc...
They may agree on border issues, but in real life it does not impact the wide swath needed to pull over those that are on the fence. I am not seeing or hearing GOP alternatives to the issues the Dems will push. You may vote on policy, but you are the minority.
So republicans need to successfully outbid democrats for the votes of debt riddled , fundamentally lazy , half ignorant voters when our national debt is threatening to destroy our entire economic system?
You can be as idealistic as you want, but elections are a popularity contest. Calling voters "debt riddled, fundamentally lazy, half ignorant voters" will win over a lot of votes. Trump is not running against Hillary, Biden beat him from his basement. Need to change the game plan or get the same result.
But, I get the idea the GOP would rather ***** from what they consider the idealistic high ground while the Nation goes down the toilet rather than compromise and actually get in the seat and fix it.
It's hard to recall a Republican candidate who won an election by moving to the middle. I can't think of one in my lifetime. Can you?
Both Bush was far right? Look up his views on immigration, education, commerce and defense. He was not Conservative in the definition you are using today. Hell, Reagan was not a conservative by the definition today, he granted amnesty, fired air traffic controllers to show Fed supremacy, raised deficit, invaded Grenada, and was a staunch NATO Allie. That qualifies as conservative? I think your definition of Conservatives has changed, winning formula remains the same. Goldwater would be a RINO, think about that.
Mothra said:FLBear5630 said:Mothra said:FLBear5630 said:Do you want to win and be in a position to make incremental changes. Or, watch Biden give away the farm, push a Progressive agenda and roll over around the world? Pick one, I prefer health care and affordable housing. But, if it is cheaper to do Student Loans, I can live with it.KaiBear said:FLBear5630 said:I agree. There is enough room for the Trumps to the Romney's.Mothra said:FLBear5630 said:Mothra said:FLBear5630 said:Well, according to the Atlantic (I know not a good source) the Dems are selling themselves as the Conservative Party because the GOP has gone so far right that they are just left of Mussolini.Mothra said:
Vote on policy. I'll say it again, vote on policy. One more time, vote on policy.
Some people are just too dumb to get this very simple concept. That is why we get presidents like Joe Biden.
The Democrats Are Now America's Conservative Party (msn.com)
I know nobody pays attention, as 70 million sign up for Zuckerberg's newest addiction...
The liberal rags love their propaganda. The idea that the Democrats are now the conservative party is total horse***** I think you know that. The Dems are as left as they've ever been. So while the milquetoast republicans complain about how far right the party has gone, there has been a corresponding move to the left by the Dems.
I agree, Dem is not conservative. You are missing my point, not that they are right but there are more of them than this Board thinks and this Board is not mainstream voters. To win, the GOP needs the milquetoast Republicans and the independents that believe what is written. Antagonize zing them is not gonna get them to vote Conservative. For example, right now many young people believe Biden is the only one trying to help them on student loans. Telling them you took the loan, deal with it is not gonna get them to vote GOP. I think we overestimate the number of conservatives.
This seems to be a different point than the one I responded to - one that I don't necessarily disagree with. But the difference between us is I don't think anyone is trying to antagonize voters such as yourself. I think the party has a big enough tent for you and the righter wingers. Let's focus on the common ground and go from there.
My point is that in order to win, the GOP has to offer an alternative to what the Dems are pushing that will make people's lives better on issues that matter to those on the fence. Fixing health care, student loan debt, affordable housing, etc...
They may agree on border issues, but in real life it does not impact the wide swath needed to pull over those that are on the fence. I am not seeing or hearing GOP alternatives to the issues the Dems will push. You may vote on policy, but you are the minority.
So republicans need to successfully outbid democrats for the votes of debt riddled , fundamentally lazy , half ignorant voters when our national debt is threatening to destroy our entire economic system?
You can be as idealistic as you want, but elections are a popularity contest. Calling voters "debt riddled, fundamentally lazy, half ignorant voters" will win over a lot of votes. Trump is not running against Hillary, Biden beat him from his basement. Need to change the game plan or get the same result.
But, I get the idea the GOP would rather ***** from what they consider the idealistic high ground while the Nation goes down the toilet rather than compromise and actually get in the seat and fix it.
It's hard to recall a Republican candidate who won an election by moving to the middle. I can't think of one in my lifetime. Can you?
Both Bush was far right? Look up his views on immigration, education, commerce and defense. He was not Conservative in the definition you are using today. Hell, Reagan was not a conservative by the definition today, he granted amnesty, fired air traffic controllers to show Fed supremacy, raised deficit, invaded Grenada, and was a staunch NATO Allie. That qualifies as conservative? I think your definition of Conservatives has changed, winning formula remains the same. Goldwater would be a RINO, think about that.
Lol. You must be too young to remember the 1980 election. Reagan was painted as far right. They skewered him because of his conservative views. Same with Bush. He was supposedly the most conservative person to ever run for president. I remember volumes of critiques based on his evangelical faith.
The idea that Trump was to the right of both of those presidents is as hilarious as it is ridiculous. Neither Reagan or Bush ran as moderates. They were to the right of pretty much every candidate they ran against, perhaps, with the exception of Pat Buchanan.. Now, if your point is, they didn't govern like far righters, then, yes, I might agree with that. But as candidates they ran to the right, not the middle. Name me a candidate who ran as a moderate and won the presidency? That was my question.
I certainly disagree. Everything Trump held as policy was in line with Reagan's beliefs.FLBear5630 said:Mothra said:FLBear5630 said:Mothra said:FLBear5630 said:Do you want to win and be in a position to make incremental changes. Or, watch Biden give away the farm, push a Progressive agenda and roll over around the world? Pick one, I prefer health care and affordable housing. But, if it is cheaper to do Student Loans, I can live with it.KaiBear said:FLBear5630 said:I agree. There is enough room for the Trumps to the Romney's.Mothra said:FLBear5630 said:Mothra said:FLBear5630 said:Well, according to the Atlantic (I know not a good source) the Dems are selling themselves as the Conservative Party because the GOP has gone so far right that they are just left of Mussolini.Mothra said:
Vote on policy. I'll say it again, vote on policy. One more time, vote on policy.
Some people are just too dumb to get this very simple concept. That is why we get presidents like Joe Biden.
The Democrats Are Now America's Conservative Party (msn.com)
I know nobody pays attention, as 70 million sign up for Zuckerberg's newest addiction...
The liberal rags love their propaganda. The idea that the Democrats are now the conservative party is total horse***** I think you know that. The Dems are as left as they've ever been. So while the milquetoast republicans complain about how far right the party has gone, there has been a corresponding move to the left by the Dems.
I agree, Dem is not conservative. You are missing my point, not that they are right but there are more of them than this Board thinks and this Board is not mainstream voters. To win, the GOP needs the milquetoast Republicans and the independents that believe what is written. Antagonize zing them is not gonna get them to vote Conservative. For example, right now many young people believe Biden is the only one trying to help them on student loans. Telling them you took the loan, deal with it is not gonna get them to vote GOP. I think we overestimate the number of conservatives.
This seems to be a different point than the one I responded to - one that I don't necessarily disagree with. But the difference between us is I don't think anyone is trying to antagonize voters such as yourself. I think the party has a big enough tent for you and the righter wingers. Let's focus on the common ground and go from there.
My point is that in order to win, the GOP has to offer an alternative to what the Dems are pushing that will make people's lives better on issues that matter to those on the fence. Fixing health care, student loan debt, affordable housing, etc...
They may agree on border issues, but in real life it does not impact the wide swath needed to pull over those that are on the fence. I am not seeing or hearing GOP alternatives to the issues the Dems will push. You may vote on policy, but you are the minority.
So republicans need to successfully outbid democrats for the votes of debt riddled , fundamentally lazy , half ignorant voters when our national debt is threatening to destroy our entire economic system?
You can be as idealistic as you want, but elections are a popularity contest. Calling voters "debt riddled, fundamentally lazy, half ignorant voters" will win over a lot of votes. Trump is not running against Hillary, Biden beat him from his basement. Need to change the game plan or get the same result.
But, I get the idea the GOP would rather ***** from what they consider the idealistic high ground while the Nation goes down the toilet rather than compromise and actually get in the seat and fix it.
It's hard to recall a Republican candidate who won an election by moving to the middle. I can't think of one in my lifetime. Can you?
Both Bush was far right? Look up his views on immigration, education, commerce and defense. He was not Conservative in the definition you are using today. Hell, Reagan was not a conservative by the definition today, he granted amnesty, fired air traffic controllers to show Fed supremacy, raised deficit, invaded Grenada, and was a staunch NATO Allie. That qualifies as conservative? I think your definition of Conservatives has changed, winning formula remains the same. Goldwater would be a RINO, think about that.
Lol. You must be too young to remember the 1980 election. Reagan was painted as far right. They skewered him because of his conservative views. Same with Bush. He was supposedly the most conservative person to ever run for president. I remember volumes of critiques based on his evangelical faith.
The idea that Trump was to the right of both of those presidents is as hilarious as it is ridiculous. Neither Reagan or Bush ran as moderates. They were to the right of pretty much every candidate they ran against, perhaps, with the exception of Pat Buchanan.. Now, if your point is, they didn't govern like far righters, then, yes, I might agree with that. But as candidates they ran to the right, not the middle. Name me a candidate who ran as a moderate and won the presidency? That was my question.
I voted against in 80 election and Reagan was President when I was in military. That was my point, the definition changed. Reagan's far right is a moderate today. The Conservatives have gone too far right. Reagan win because his moderate conservative ideas resonated. Goldwater lost because he was painted too far right. The MAGAs have gone way too right.
Trump is something between Reagan and B Clinton.. in many previous interviews long before he was president, he said he was looking for another Reagan to step up.Oldbear83 said:I certainly disagree. Everything Trump held as policy was in line with Reagan's beliefs.FLBear5630 said:Mothra said:FLBear5630 said:Mothra said:FLBear5630 said:Do you want to win and be in a position to make incremental changes. Or, watch Biden give away the farm, push a Progressive agenda and roll over around the world? Pick one, I prefer health care and affordable housing. But, if it is cheaper to do Student Loans, I can live with it.KaiBear said:FLBear5630 said:I agree. There is enough room for the Trumps to the Romney's.Mothra said:FLBear5630 said:Mothra said:FLBear5630 said:Well, according to the Atlantic (I know not a good source) the Dems are selling themselves as the Conservative Party because the GOP has gone so far right that they are just left of Mussolini.Mothra said:
Vote on policy. I'll say it again, vote on policy. One more time, vote on policy.
Some people are just too dumb to get this very simple concept. That is why we get presidents like Joe Biden.
The Democrats Are Now America's Conservative Party (msn.com)
I know nobody pays attention, as 70 million sign up for Zuckerberg's newest addiction...
The liberal rags love their propaganda. The idea that the Democrats are now the conservative party is total horse***** I think you know that. The Dems are as left as they've ever been. So while the milquetoast republicans complain about how far right the party has gone, there has been a corresponding move to the left by the Dems.
I agree, Dem is not conservative. You are missing my point, not that they are right but there are more of them than this Board thinks and this Board is not mainstream voters. To win, the GOP needs the milquetoast Republicans and the independents that believe what is written. Antagonize zing them is not gonna get them to vote Conservative. For example, right now many young people believe Biden is the only one trying to help them on student loans. Telling them you took the loan, deal with it is not gonna get them to vote GOP. I think we overestimate the number of conservatives.
This seems to be a different point than the one I responded to - one that I don't necessarily disagree with. But the difference between us is I don't think anyone is trying to antagonize voters such as yourself. I think the party has a big enough tent for you and the righter wingers. Let's focus on the common ground and go from there.
My point is that in order to win, the GOP has to offer an alternative to what the Dems are pushing that will make people's lives better on issues that matter to those on the fence. Fixing health care, student loan debt, affordable housing, etc...
They may agree on border issues, but in real life it does not impact the wide swath needed to pull over those that are on the fence. I am not seeing or hearing GOP alternatives to the issues the Dems will push. You may vote on policy, but you are the minority.
So republicans need to successfully outbid democrats for the votes of debt riddled , fundamentally lazy , half ignorant voters when our national debt is threatening to destroy our entire economic system?
You can be as idealistic as you want, but elections are a popularity contest. Calling voters "debt riddled, fundamentally lazy, half ignorant voters" will win over a lot of votes. Trump is not running against Hillary, Biden beat him from his basement. Need to change the game plan or get the same result.
But, I get the idea the GOP would rather ***** from what they consider the idealistic high ground while the Nation goes down the toilet rather than compromise and actually get in the seat and fix it.
It's hard to recall a Republican candidate who won an election by moving to the middle. I can't think of one in my lifetime. Can you?
Both Bush was far right? Look up his views on immigration, education, commerce and defense. He was not Conservative in the definition you are using today. Hell, Reagan was not a conservative by the definition today, he granted amnesty, fired air traffic controllers to show Fed supremacy, raised deficit, invaded Grenada, and was a staunch NATO Allie. That qualifies as conservative? I think your definition of Conservatives has changed, winning formula remains the same. Goldwater would be a RINO, think about that.
Lol. You must be too young to remember the 1980 election. Reagan was painted as far right. They skewered him because of his conservative views. Same with Bush. He was supposedly the most conservative person to ever run for president. I remember volumes of critiques based on his evangelical faith.
The idea that Trump was to the right of both of those presidents is as hilarious as it is ridiculous. Neither Reagan or Bush ran as moderates. They were to the right of pretty much every candidate they ran against, perhaps, with the exception of Pat Buchanan.. Now, if your point is, they didn't govern like far righters, then, yes, I might agree with that. But as candidates they ran to the right, not the middle. Name me a candidate who ran as a moderate and won the presidency? That was my question.
I voted against in 80 election and Reagan was President when I was in military. That was my point, the definition changed. Reagan's far right is a moderate today. The Conservatives have gone too far right. Reagan win because his moderate conservative ideas resonated. Goldwater lost because he was painted too far right. The MAGAs have gone way too right.
Reagan opposed Abortion, and Roe v Wade
Reagan constantly said Government was too big
Reagan supported Energy Independence
MAGA itself was originally Reagan's slogan. Trump just stole it for his use.
"Moderate" Republicans were quislings like McCain and Romney, who supported Obama's installation of Socialist medicine.
Look at the voting records and you will see what various Republicans were made of.
Reagan, like Trump, used the tools of his office when it suited him, but Reagan's philosophy is very similar to the policies Trump claimed to support.
If one judges by judicial appointments, Trump was like Reagan. But Trump's style was far more abrasive and confrontational than Reagan ever was. And Trump - right or wrong - had a very different policy towards China than Reagan.
Frankly it's a mistake to judge anyone just on the Left-Right spectrum. There is more than a two-dimensional landscape here.
FLBear5630 said:Mothra said:FLBear5630 said:Mothra said:FLBear5630 said:Do you want to win and be in a position to make incremental changes. Or, watch Biden give away the farm, push a Progressive agenda and roll over around the world? Pick one, I prefer health care and affordable housing. But, if it is cheaper to do Student Loans, I can live with it.KaiBear said:FLBear5630 said:I agree. There is enough room for the Trumps to the Romney's.Mothra said:FLBear5630 said:Mothra said:FLBear5630 said:Well, according to the Atlantic (I know not a good source) the Dems are selling themselves as the Conservative Party because the GOP has gone so far right that they are just left of Mussolini.Mothra said:
Vote on policy. I'll say it again, vote on policy. One more time, vote on policy.
Some people are just too dumb to get this very simple concept. That is why we get presidents like Joe Biden.
The Democrats Are Now America's Conservative Party (msn.com)
I know nobody pays attention, as 70 million sign up for Zuckerberg's newest addiction...
The liberal rags love their propaganda. The idea that the Democrats are now the conservative party is total horse***** I think you know that. The Dems are as left as they've ever been. So while the milquetoast republicans complain about how far right the party has gone, there has been a corresponding move to the left by the Dems.
I agree, Dem is not conservative. You are missing my point, not that they are right but there are more of them than this Board thinks and this Board is not mainstream voters. To win, the GOP needs the milquetoast Republicans and the independents that believe what is written. Antagonize zing them is not gonna get them to vote Conservative. For example, right now many young people believe Biden is the only one trying to help them on student loans. Telling them you took the loan, deal with it is not gonna get them to vote GOP. I think we overestimate the number of conservatives.
This seems to be a different point than the one I responded to - one that I don't necessarily disagree with. But the difference between us is I don't think anyone is trying to antagonize voters such as yourself. I think the party has a big enough tent for you and the righter wingers. Let's focus on the common ground and go from there.
My point is that in order to win, the GOP has to offer an alternative to what the Dems are pushing that will make people's lives better on issues that matter to those on the fence. Fixing health care, student loan debt, affordable housing, etc...
They may agree on border issues, but in real life it does not impact the wide swath needed to pull over those that are on the fence. I am not seeing or hearing GOP alternatives to the issues the Dems will push. You may vote on policy, but you are the minority.
So republicans need to successfully outbid democrats for the votes of debt riddled , fundamentally lazy , half ignorant voters when our national debt is threatening to destroy our entire economic system?
You can be as idealistic as you want, but elections are a popularity contest. Calling voters "debt riddled, fundamentally lazy, half ignorant voters" will win over a lot of votes. Trump is not running against Hillary, Biden beat him from his basement. Need to change the game plan or get the same result.
But, I get the idea the GOP would rather ***** from what they consider the idealistic high ground while the Nation goes down the toilet rather than compromise and actually get in the seat and fix it.
It's hard to recall a Republican candidate who won an election by moving to the middle. I can't think of one in my lifetime. Can you?
Both Bush was far right? Look up his views on immigration, education, commerce and defense. He was not Conservative in the definition you are using today. Hell, Reagan was not a conservative by the definition today, he granted amnesty, fired air traffic controllers to show Fed supremacy, raised deficit, invaded Grenada, and was a staunch NATO Allie. That qualifies as conservative? I think your definition of Conservatives has changed, winning formula remains the same. Goldwater would be a RINO, think about that.
Lol. You must be too young to remember the 1980 election. Reagan was painted as far right. They skewered him because of his conservative views. Same with Bush. He was supposedly the most conservative person to ever run for president. I remember volumes of critiques based on his evangelical faith.
The idea that Trump was to the right of both of those presidents is as hilarious as it is ridiculous. Neither Reagan or Bush ran as moderates. They were to the right of pretty much every candidate they ran against, perhaps, with the exception of Pat Buchanan.. Now, if your point is, they didn't govern like far righters, then, yes, I might agree with that. But as candidates they ran to the right, not the middle. Name me a candidate who ran as a moderate and won the presidency? That was my question.
I voted against in 80 election and Reagan was President when I was in military. That was my point, the definition changed. Reagan's far right is a moderate today. The Conservatives have gone too far right. Reagan win because his moderate conservative ideas resonated. Goldwater lost because he was painted too far right. The MAGAs have gone way too right.
Oldbear83 said:I certainly disagree. Everything Trump held as policy was in line with Reagan's beliefs.FLBear5630 said:Mothra said:FLBear5630 said:Mothra said:FLBear5630 said:Do you want to win and be in a position to make incremental changes. Or, watch Biden give away the farm, push a Progressive agenda and roll over around the world? Pick one, I prefer health care and affordable housing. But, if it is cheaper to do Student Loans, I can live with it.KaiBear said:FLBear5630 said:I agree. There is enough room for the Trumps to the Romney's.Mothra said:FLBear5630 said:Mothra said:FLBear5630 said:Well, according to the Atlantic (I know not a good source) the Dems are selling themselves as the Conservative Party because the GOP has gone so far right that they are just left of Mussolini.Mothra said:
Vote on policy. I'll say it again, vote on policy. One more time, vote on policy.
Some people are just too dumb to get this very simple concept. That is why we get presidents like Joe Biden.
The Democrats Are Now America's Conservative Party (msn.com)
I know nobody pays attention, as 70 million sign up for Zuckerberg's newest addiction...
The liberal rags love their propaganda. The idea that the Democrats are now the conservative party is total horse***** I think you know that. The Dems are as left as they've ever been. So while the milquetoast republicans complain about how far right the party has gone, there has been a corresponding move to the left by the Dems.
I agree, Dem is not conservative. You are missing my point, not that they are right but there are more of them than this Board thinks and this Board is not mainstream voters. To win, the GOP needs the milquetoast Republicans and the independents that believe what is written. Antagonize zing them is not gonna get them to vote Conservative. For example, right now many young people believe Biden is the only one trying to help them on student loans. Telling them you took the loan, deal with it is not gonna get them to vote GOP. I think we overestimate the number of conservatives.
This seems to be a different point than the one I responded to - one that I don't necessarily disagree with. But the difference between us is I don't think anyone is trying to antagonize voters such as yourself. I think the party has a big enough tent for you and the righter wingers. Let's focus on the common ground and go from there.
My point is that in order to win, the GOP has to offer an alternative to what the Dems are pushing that will make people's lives better on issues that matter to those on the fence. Fixing health care, student loan debt, affordable housing, etc...
They may agree on border issues, but in real life it does not impact the wide swath needed to pull over those that are on the fence. I am not seeing or hearing GOP alternatives to the issues the Dems will push. You may vote on policy, but you are the minority.
So republicans need to successfully outbid democrats for the votes of debt riddled , fundamentally lazy , half ignorant voters when our national debt is threatening to destroy our entire economic system?
You can be as idealistic as you want, but elections are a popularity contest. Calling voters "debt riddled, fundamentally lazy, half ignorant voters" will win over a lot of votes. Trump is not running against Hillary, Biden beat him from his basement. Need to change the game plan or get the same result.
But, I get the idea the GOP would rather ***** from what they consider the idealistic high ground while the Nation goes down the toilet rather than compromise and actually get in the seat and fix it.
It's hard to recall a Republican candidate who won an election by moving to the middle. I can't think of one in my lifetime. Can you?
Both Bush was far right? Look up his views on immigration, education, commerce and defense. He was not Conservative in the definition you are using today. Hell, Reagan was not a conservative by the definition today, he granted amnesty, fired air traffic controllers to show Fed supremacy, raised deficit, invaded Grenada, and was a staunch NATO Allie. That qualifies as conservative? I think your definition of Conservatives has changed, winning formula remains the same. Goldwater would be a RINO, think about that.
Lol. You must be too young to remember the 1980 election. Reagan was painted as far right. They skewered him because of his conservative views. Same with Bush. He was supposedly the most conservative person to ever run for president. I remember volumes of critiques based on his evangelical faith.
The idea that Trump was to the right of both of those presidents is as hilarious as it is ridiculous. Neither Reagan or Bush ran as moderates. They were to the right of pretty much every candidate they ran against, perhaps, with the exception of Pat Buchanan.. Now, if your point is, they didn't govern like far righters, then, yes, I might agree with that. But as candidates they ran to the right, not the middle. Name me a candidate who ran as a moderate and won the presidency? That was my question.
I voted against in 80 election and Reagan was President when I was in military. That was my point, the definition changed. Reagan's far right is a moderate today. The Conservatives have gone too far right. Reagan win because his moderate conservative ideas resonated. Goldwater lost because he was painted too far right. The MAGAs have gone way too right.
Reagan opposed Abortion, and Roe v Wade
Reagan constantly said Government was too big
Reagan supported Energy Independence
MAGA itself was originally Reagan's slogan. Trump just stole it for his use.
"Moderate" Republicans were quislings like McCain and Romney, who supported Obama's installation of Socialist medicine.
Look at the voting records and you will see what various Republicans were made of.
Reagan, like Trump, used the tools of his office when it suited him, but Reagan's philosophy is very similar to the policies Trump claimed to support.
If one judges by judicial appointments, Trump was like Reagan. But Trump's style was far more abrasive and confrontational than Reagan ever was. And Trump - right or wrong - had a very different policy towards China than Reagan.
Frankly it's a mistake to judge anyone just on the Left-Right spectrum. There is more than a two-dimensional landscape here.
Donald Trump is 77 years old. His cognitive abilities and mind is still sharp but for how long? Can you imagine an Alzheimer's/ Dementia stricken Trump in the Oval Office? This scenario scares the living crap out of me. I hope the Democrats don't force me to vote for him again. Anybody but Nose Candy Joe. This includes Trump.Oldbear83 said:
"this is not 2016 Trump, this is more vicious version."
Go look at Trump's statements during 2016. Same guy.
The bad news is that it means Trump does not seem to have learned from experience.
The good news is a second Trump term would be no worse than the first. And just as Trump dismantled a lot of Obama's bad acts, he would be just as focused on dismantling Biden's damage.
Mothra said:Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:4th and Inches said:Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:
You really hate democracy dont you? You seem unwilling to accept the decisions of the voters.
Why dont you believe him..
I dont believe either has our countries best interest as a goal. Both are party shills along with those who vote for them
So if one's a conservative, vote for someone who doesn't have a chance in hell of winning so the greater of the evils gets elected.
Make sense only in the land of make believe you live in.
I certainly agree with this. If Trump gets the GOP nomination I vote for him, but that's a lot like those scenarios choosing between a head-on collision or driving off a cliff.RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Donald Trump is 77 years old. His cognitive abilities and mind is still sharp but for how long? Can you imagine an Alzheimer's/ Dementia stricken Trump in the Oval Office? This scenario scares the living crap out of me. I hope the Democrats don't force me to vote for him again. Anybody but Nose Candy Joe. This includes Trump.Oldbear83 said:
"this is not 2016 Trump, this is more vicious version."
Go look at Trump's statements during 2016. Same guy.
The bad news is that it means Trump does not seem to have learned from experience.
The good news is a second Trump term would be no worse than the first. And just as Trump dismantled a lot of Obama's bad acts, he would be just as focused on dismantling Biden's damage.
I am 100 percent behind Ron DeSantis. Tim Scott is my #2. Donald Trump is still the lesser of two evils when it comes down to it. Unfortunately, the Democrats will not allow Donald Trump to win another election. They will find 105 million votes for China Joe if necessary.
RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
Joe Biden is too old to be President. Donald Trump is too old to be President.
We need younger leadership. My fellow Boomers need to step off of the Geriatric Highway to Hell. Both Republicans and Democrats.
You mis-spoke. The criminal's son is the criminal addict, would be the correct phrase.Mitch Blood Green said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
Joe Biden is too old to be President. Donald Trump is too old to be President.
We need younger leadership. My fellow Boomers need to step off of the Geriatric Highway to Hell. Both Republicans and Democrats.
That's not one of your options. Your options are the criminal or the one whose son is an addict.
Oldbear83 said:You mis-spoke. The criminal's son is the criminal addict, would be the correct phrase.Mitch Blood Green said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
Joe Biden is too old to be President. Donald Trump is too old to be President.
We need younger leadership. My fellow Boomers need to step off of the Geriatric Highway to Hell. Both Republicans and Democrats.
That's not one of your options. Your options are the criminal or the one whose son is an addict.
You know I love you man, but you have been brainwashed. At your age, I realize how difficult it is to leave the plantation. It is all you have ever known.Mitch Blood Green said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
Joe Biden is too old to be President. Donald Trump is too old to be President.
We need younger leadership. My fellow Boomers need to step off of the Geriatric Highway to Hell. Both Republicans and Democrats.
That's not one of your options. Your options are the criminal or the one whose son is an addict.
I agree with you. The DOJ, FBI, and CIA are corrupt to the core. They will take care of and protect Nose Candy Joe. The American people be damned!!!Mitch Blood Green said:Oldbear83 said:You mis-spoke. The criminal's son is the criminal addict, would be the correct phrase.Mitch Blood Green said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
Joe Biden is too old to be President. Donald Trump is too old to be President.
We need younger leadership. My fellow Boomers need to step off of the Geriatric Highway to Hell. Both Republicans and Democrats.
That's not one of your options. Your options are the criminal or the one whose son is an addict.
I'd bet you $1 Biden will not have three criminal indictments before Thanksgiving.I'll be the guy in the left.
RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:You know I love you man, but you have been brainwashed. At your age, I realize how difficult it is to leave the plantation. It is all you have ever known.Mitch Blood Green said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
Joe Biden is too old to be President. Donald Trump is too old to be President.
We need younger leadership. My fellow Boomers need to step off of the Geriatric Highway to Hell. Both Republicans and Democrats.
That's not one of your options. Your options are the criminal or the one whose son is an addict.
I hope so. Hopefully on both sides of the ticket.Mitch Blood Green said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:You know I love you man, but you have been brainwashed. At your age, I realize how difficult it is to leave the plantation. It is all you have ever known.Mitch Blood Green said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
Joe Biden is too old to be President. Donald Trump is too old to be President.
We need younger leadership. My fellow Boomers need to step off of the Geriatric Highway to Hell. Both Republicans and Democrats.
That's not one of your options. Your options are the criminal or the one whose son is an addict.
On your farm, you think we will someone under 78 on the 2024 ticket?
RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:I hope so. Hopefully on both sides of the ticket.Mitch Blood Green said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:You know I love you man, but you have been brainwashed. At your age, I realize how difficult it is to leave the plantation. It is all you have ever known.Mitch Blood Green said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
Joe Biden is too old to be President. Donald Trump is too old to be President.
We need younger leadership. My fellow Boomers need to step off of the Geriatric Highway to Hell. Both Republicans and Democrats.
That's not one of your options. Your options are the criminal or the one whose son is an addict.
On your farm, you think we will someone under 78 on the 2024 ticket?
All that means is you think the system will protect the crime family. On that point we agree.Mitch Blood Green said:Oldbear83 said:You mis-spoke. The criminal's son is the criminal addict, would be the correct phrase.Mitch Blood Green said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
Joe Biden is too old to be President. Donald Trump is too old to be President.
We need younger leadership. My fellow Boomers need to step off of the Geriatric Highway to Hell. Both Republicans and Democrats.
That's not one of your options. Your options are the criminal or the one whose son is an addict.
I'd bet you $1 Biden will not have three criminal indictments before Thanksgiving.I'll be the guy in the left.
True dat!!!! I do think my chances would be pretty good on a Matt Rhule Little Tykes goal!Mitch Blood Green said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:I hope so. Hopefully on both sides of the ticket.Mitch Blood Green said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:You know I love you man, but you have been brainwashed. At your age, I realize how difficult it is to leave the plantation. It is all you have ever known.Mitch Blood Green said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
Joe Biden is too old to be President. Donald Trump is too old to be President.
We need younger leadership. My fellow Boomers need to step off of the Geriatric Highway to Hell. Both Republicans and Democrats.
That's not one of your options. Your options are the criminal or the one whose son is an addict.
On your farm, you think we will someone under 78 on the 2024 ticket?
You have a better chance of winning the 2024 NBA slam dunk contest.
Get stuffed.Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:
You really hate democracy dont you? You seem unwilling to accept the decisions of the voters.
Btw i wasnt criticizing Trumps golf time. The more time he wasted the better. I was pointing out his hypocrisy . Its a difficult point but i thought you could handle it. I often overestimate posters. It may be time for you to change your name again
Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:Mothra said:Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:4th and Inches said:Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:
You really hate democracy dont you? You seem unwilling to accept the decisions of the voters.
Why dont you believe him..
I dont believe either has our countries best interest as a goal. Both are party shills along with those who vote for them
So if one's a conservative, vote for someone who doesn't have a chance in hell of winning so the greater of the evils gets elected.
Make sense only in the land of make believe you live in.
I hear the same posters over and over claim America is rolling downhill like a snowball heading to hell. Yet you demand maintaining the status quo. Theres a quote somewhere about a person that repeats the same action over and over again and expects a different outcome.
