come on, man, they're just criminalizin', prosecutin' and deterrin' bad guys, just like they do every day in blue cities that have gone full mad max with violence and property crime. it's the american way.KaiBear said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Mitch Blood Green said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:So have you ever watched the movie Minority Report starring Tom Cruise? This futuristic science fiction thriller has the Feds arresting people BEFORE they actually commit their crimes. Combine this with the Feds' January 6th response and we have 2024.Mitch Blood Green said:KaiBear said:HuMcK said:
"I suspect this will be overturned on Appeal"
Based on what, exactly? The standard of review for appealing a subjective award is abuse of discretion, and good luck proving that when the award came under the state's ask. Especially when the defendant is so openly unrepentant in any way.
The finding of fraud is not going away, period. A reduction of the award is theoretically possible, but pretty unlikely given the record the appeals court will have to adhere to.
What were the damages ?
The bank reps testified they made all their interest on time.
In fact they were willing to lend Trump even more money.
And bank's routinely conduct their own appraisal.
And the judges appraisal of Trumps property was ludicrous.
Was in west palm beach and boca ration just 10 days ago looking at rental property.
18 million appraisal for Trumps property is nuts. It would easily be 80-100 million or more. Prices are sky high in that area.
Based on this argument, drunks should never be stopped or arrested until the accident happens. Where is the damage?
If you can't beat 'em, arrest 'em. Normally a FAIR and FREE election would clean up this abuse but I fear those days are gone.
Blagojevich says hello.
Jail is full of people who planned a crime. In this case, Trump DID the crime (lying on loan and tax documents)
But f the consequence for the Trump organization was $1,000, where's the deterrent?
It's not uncommon in sentencing for the A-Hole to get more time than the person who shows contrition.
I cannot fathom how in the world you TDSers find this acceptable.
A. Because they want their ' team ' to win in November by any means fair or foul.
B. They can not conceive that such an obviously biased legal procedure could ever be applied to them or someone they care about.
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Cobretti said:come on, man, they're just criminalizin', prosecutin' and deterrin' bad guys, just like they do every day in blue cities that have gone full mad max with violence and property crime. it's the american way.KaiBear said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Mitch Blood Green said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:So have you ever watched the movie Minority Report starring Tom Cruise? This futuristic science fiction thriller has the Feds arresting people BEFORE they actually commit their crimes. Combine this with the Feds' January 6th response and we have 2024.Mitch Blood Green said:KaiBear said:HuMcK said:
"I suspect this will be overturned on Appeal"
Based on what, exactly? The standard of review for appealing a subjective award is abuse of discretion, and good luck proving that when the award came under the state's ask. Especially when the defendant is so openly unrepentant in any way.
The finding of fraud is not going away, period. A reduction of the award is theoretically possible, but pretty unlikely given the record the appeals court will have to adhere to.
What were the damages ?
The bank reps testified they made all their interest on time.
In fact they were willing to lend Trump even more money.
And bank's routinely conduct their own appraisal.
And the judges appraisal of Trumps property was ludicrous.
Was in west palm beach and boca ration just 10 days ago looking at rental property.
18 million appraisal for Trumps property is nuts. It would easily be 80-100 million or more. Prices are sky high in that area.
Based on this argument, drunks should never be stopped or arrested until the accident happens. Where is the damage?
If you can't beat 'em, arrest 'em. Normally a FAIR and FREE election would clean up this abuse but I fear those days are gone.
Blagojevich says hello.
Jail is full of people who planned a crime. In this case, Trump DID the crime (lying on loan and tax documents)
But f the consequence for the Trump organization was $1,000, where's the deterrent?
It's not uncommon in sentencing for the A-Hole to get more time than the person who shows contrition.
I cannot fathom how in the world you TDSers find this acceptable.
A. Because they want their ' team ' to win in November by any means fair or foul.
B. They can not conceive that such an obviously biased legal procedure could ever be applied to them or someone they care about.
The 'American Way' has been fatally altered.
RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Would agree with you except for the fact that the loans were paid back in full. With interest. No crime. Leticia James is on record from years ago on numerous occasions saying if she is elected, she is going to "GET TRUMP".Mitch Blood Green said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:So have you ever watched the movie Minority Report starring Tom Cruise? This futuristic science fiction thriller has the Feds arresting people BEFORE they actually commit their crimes. Combine this with the Feds' January 6th response and we have 2024.Mitch Blood Green said:KaiBear said:HuMcK said:
"I suspect this will be overturned on Appeal"
Based on what, exactly? The standard of review for appealing a subjective award is abuse of discretion, and good luck proving that when the award came under the state's ask. Especially when the defendant is so openly unrepentant in any way.
The finding of fraud is not going away, period. A reduction of the award is theoretically possible, but pretty unlikely given the record the appeals court will have to adhere to.
What were the damages ?
The bank reps testified they made all their interest on time.
In fact they were willing to lend Trump even more money.
And bank's routinely conduct their own appraisal.
And the judges appraisal of Trumps property was ludicrous.
Was in west palm beach and boca ration just 10 days ago looking at rental property.
18 million appraisal for Trumps property is nuts. It would easily be 80-100 million or more. Prices are sky high in that area.
Based on this argument, drunks should never be stopped or arrested until the accident happens. Where is the damage?
If you can't beat 'em, arrest 'em. Normally a FAIR and FREE election would clean up this abuse but I fear those days are gone.
Blagojevich says hello.
Jail is full of people who planned a crime. In this case, Trump DID the crime (lying on loan and tax documents)
But f the consequence for the Trump organization was $1,000, where's the deterrent?
It's not uncommon in sentencing for the A-Hole to get more time than the person who shows contrition.
So if you stroll into a bank for a loan and say your house is worth $750,000 and you sell it for only $500,000, you think you have committed a crime? Should you get sued in Civil court and have to pay Ken Paxton and the state a $50 million fine? What if you sell your house for $1,000,000? Should you be sued by the state for $50 million for " lying" on your application?
I cannot fathom how in the world you TDSers find this acceptable.
No. A crime is a crime. Even if you make restitution.
There are people in jail for having weed on them EVEN though there is no "victim."
Laws don't require victims before they can be enforced.
Think about all the things you do to avoid the fine. Seatbelts. Helmets. School speed limits. Pay taxes.
Seems the issue isn't the enforcement of the statue. It's the enforcement against Trump. I don't see an argument that he DIDN'T lie of the applications.
Keep your eye on the sparrow.
He got favorable lending terms based on false information. Try it and see how well the everyone does it defense holds up.Frank Galvin said:
Not a Trump fan, but the punishment nowhere near the crime.
The only reason anyone looked, is he is a DICK. He made himself a target. When you live in a glasshouse using questionable practices, regardless of who else does it, it is best NOT to make yourself a target.
He acts like a mob boss. They all get along fine until they fall in love with being a star and make themselves public. Then, the magnifying glass starts... Better be clean if you want that type of attention.
This is just the beginning. Wait until he wins, this will be every week. State Courts, Congress, civil cases, etc... Nothing will get done. But that is what people seem to want.
Mitch Blood Green said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Would agree with you except for the fact that the loans were paid back in full. With interest. No crime. Leticia James is on record from years ago on numerous occasions saying if she is elected, she is going to "GET TRUMP".Mitch Blood Green said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:So have you ever watched the movie Minority Report starring Tom Cruise? This futuristic science fiction thriller has the Feds arresting people BEFORE they actually commit their crimes. Combine this with the Feds' January 6th response and we have 2024.Mitch Blood Green said:KaiBear said:HuMcK said:
"I suspect this will be overturned on Appeal"
Based on what, exactly? The standard of review for appealing a subjective award is abuse of discretion, and good luck proving that when the award came under the state's ask. Especially when the defendant is so openly unrepentant in any way.
The finding of fraud is not going away, period. A reduction of the award is theoretically possible, but pretty unlikely given the record the appeals court will have to adhere to.
What were the damages ?
The bank reps testified they made all their interest on time.
In fact they were willing to lend Trump even more money.
And bank's routinely conduct their own appraisal.
And the judges appraisal of Trumps property was ludicrous.
Was in west palm beach and boca ration just 10 days ago looking at rental property.
18 million appraisal for Trumps property is nuts. It would easily be 80-100 million or more. Prices are sky high in that area.
Based on this argument, drunks should never be stopped or arrested until the accident happens. Where is the damage?
If you can't beat 'em, arrest 'em. Normally a FAIR and FREE election would clean up this abuse but I fear those days are gone.
Blagojevich says hello.
Jail is full of people who planned a crime. In this case, Trump DID the crime (lying on loan and tax documents)
But f the consequence for the Trump organization was $1,000, where's the deterrent?
It's not uncommon in sentencing for the A-Hole to get more time than the person who shows contrition.
So if you stroll into a bank for a loan and say your house is worth $750,000 and you sell it for only $500,000, you think you have committed a crime? Should you get sued in Civil court and have to pay Ken Paxton and the state a $50 million fine? What if you sell your house for $1,000,000? Should you be sued by the state for $50 million for " lying" on your application?
I cannot fathom how in the world you TDSers find this acceptable.
No. A crime is a crime. Even if you make restitution.
There are people in jail for having weed on them EVEN though there is no "victim."
Laws don't require victims before they can be enforced.
Think about all the things you do to avoid the fine. Seatbelts. Helmets. School speed limits. Pay taxes.
Seems the issue isn't the enforcement of the statue. It's the enforcement against Trump. I don't see an argument that he DIDN'T lie of the applications.
Keep your eye on the sparrow.
Biden continues to 'earn your vote'.
Isn't it the diligence of the bank to check his credit or claims prior to loan approval ?
I could say my home or real estate was worth 5M but it was worth 3M. Isn't it up to me to pay back the loan amount in time ? Whatever it is ?
I could say my home or real estate was worth 5M but it was worth 3M. Isn't it up to me to pay back the loan amount in time ? Whatever it is ?
Restitution for what? Who was damaged and lost money? This seems like grand larceny committed by the state of New York on a huge scale to me.Mitch Blood Green said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Would agree with you except for the fact that the loans were paid back in full. With interest. No crime. Leticia James is on record from years ago on numerous occasions saying if she is elected, she is going to "GET TRUMP".Mitch Blood Green said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:So have you ever watched the movie Minority Report starring Tom Cruise? This futuristic science fiction thriller has the Feds arresting people BEFORE they actually commit their crimes. Combine this with the Feds' January 6th response and we have 2024.Mitch Blood Green said:KaiBear said:HuMcK said:
"I suspect this will be overturned on Appeal"
Based on what, exactly? The standard of review for appealing a subjective award is abuse of discretion, and good luck proving that when the award came under the state's ask. Especially when the defendant is so openly unrepentant in any way.
The finding of fraud is not going away, period. A reduction of the award is theoretically possible, but pretty unlikely given the record the appeals court will have to adhere to.
What were the damages ?
The bank reps testified they made all their interest on time.
In fact they were willing to lend Trump even more money.
And bank's routinely conduct their own appraisal.
And the judges appraisal of Trumps property was ludicrous.
Was in west palm beach and boca ration just 10 days ago looking at rental property.
18 million appraisal for Trumps property is nuts. It would easily be 80-100 million or more. Prices are sky high in that area.
Based on this argument, drunks should never be stopped or arrested until the accident happens. Where is the damage?
If you can't beat 'em, arrest 'em. Normally a FAIR and FREE election would clean up this abuse but I fear those days are gone.
Blagojevich says hello.
Jail is full of people who planned a crime. In this case, Trump DID the crime (lying on loan and tax documents)
But f the consequence for the Trump organization was $1,000, where's the deterrent?
It's not uncommon in sentencing for the A-Hole to get more time than the person who shows contrition.
So if you stroll into a bank for a loan and say your house is worth $750,000 and you sell it for only $500,000, you think you have committed a crime? Should you get sued in Civil court and have to pay Ken Paxton and the state a $50 million fine? What if you sell your house for $1,000,000? Should you be sued by the state for $50 million for " lying" on your application?
I cannot fathom how in the world you TDSers find this acceptable.
No. A crime is a crime. Even if you make restitution.
Lord knows New York has been run into the ground. What happens the next time New York is $billions of dollars in debt? You should take a look at the major companies based in New York. With this precedent, they all should be very worried. Any one of them could be next if this verdict is allowed to stand.
"Stand with anyone when he is right; Stand with him while he is right and part with him when he goes wrong." - Abraham Lincoln
Being a DICK is not a crime. If it was, many of us (me included) would have been bankrupted and / or imprisoned long ago.FLBear5630 said:Frank Galvin said:
Not a Trump fan, but the punishment nowhere near the crime.
The only reason anyone looked, is he is a DICK. He made himself a target.
"Stand with anyone when he is right; Stand with him while he is right and part with him when he goes wrong." - Abraham Lincoln
KaiBear said:Mitch Blood Green said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Would agree with you except for the fact that the loans were paid back in full. With interest. No crime. Leticia James is on record from years ago on numerous occasions saying if she is elected, she is going to "GET TRUMP".Mitch Blood Green said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:So have you ever watched the movie Minority Report starring Tom Cruise? This futuristic science fiction thriller has the Feds arresting people BEFORE they actually commit their crimes. Combine this with the Feds' January 6th response and we have 2024.Mitch Blood Green said:KaiBear said:HuMcK said:
"I suspect this will be overturned on Appeal"
Based on what, exactly? The standard of review for appealing a subjective award is abuse of discretion, and good luck proving that when the award came under the state's ask. Especially when the defendant is so openly unrepentant in any way.
The finding of fraud is not going away, period. A reduction of the award is theoretically possible, but pretty unlikely given the record the appeals court will have to adhere to.
What were the damages ?
The bank reps testified they made all their interest on time.
In fact they were willing to lend Trump even more money.
And bank's routinely conduct their own appraisal.
And the judges appraisal of Trumps property was ludicrous.
Was in west palm beach and boca ration just 10 days ago looking at rental property.
18 million appraisal for Trumps property is nuts. It would easily be 80-100 million or more. Prices are sky high in that area.
Based on this argument, drunks should never be stopped or arrested until the accident happens. Where is the damage?
If you can't beat 'em, arrest 'em. Normally a FAIR and FREE election would clean up this abuse but I fear those days are gone.
Blagojevich says hello.
Jail is full of people who planned a crime. In this case, Trump DID the crime (lying on loan and tax documents)
But f the consequence for the Trump organization was $1,000, where's the deterrent?
It's not uncommon in sentencing for the A-Hole to get more time than the person who shows contrition.
So if you stroll into a bank for a loan and say your house is worth $750,000 and you sell it for only $500,000, you think you have committed a crime? Should you get sued in Civil court and have to pay Ken Paxton and the state a $50 million fine? What if you sell your house for $1,000,000? Should you be sued by the state for $50 million for " lying" on your application?
I cannot fathom how in the world you TDSers find this acceptable.
No. A crime is a crime. Even if you make restitution.
There are people in jail for having weed on them EVEN though there is no "victim."
Laws don't require victims before they can be enforced.
Think about all the things you do to avoid the fine. Seatbelts. Helmets. School speed limits. Pay taxes.
Seems the issue isn't the enforcement of the statue. It's the enforcement against Trump. I don't see an argument that he DIDN'T lie of the applications.
Keep your eye on the sparrow.
Biden continues to 'earn your vote'.
I'm applying your "don't vote for a rapist standard" to my vote in 2024.
No being a DICK is not a crime. AND, if he was smart enough he wouldn't be in court. Look at so many of the past "slimy" people that they were not able to get.RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Being a DICK is not a crime. If it was, many of us (me included) would have been bankrupted and / or imprisoned long ago.FLBear5630 said:Frank Galvin said:
Not a Trump fan, but the punishment nowhere near the crime.
The only reason anyone looked, is he is a DICK. He made himself a target.
But, being a Dick and being loud, sloppy and arrogant is not a good combination to fly under the radar.
This is what I mean by he brings this stuff on himself. You keep challenging people, they will find something.
If he did nothing illegal, he wouldn't have a 300 million dollar judgement. His defense is everyone does it. Really? You can get a ticket for driving 5 miles over the speed limit.
This is common sense stuff that Narcissist don't get.
Mitch Blood Green said:KaiBear said:Mitch Blood Green said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Would agree with you except for the fact that the loans were paid back in full. With interest. No crime. Leticia James is on record from years ago on numerous occasions saying if she is elected, she is going to "GET TRUMP".Mitch Blood Green said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:So have you ever watched the movie Minority Report starring Tom Cruise? This futuristic science fiction thriller has the Feds arresting people BEFORE they actually commit their crimes. Combine this with the Feds' January 6th response and we have 2024.Mitch Blood Green said:KaiBear said:HuMcK said:
"I suspect this will be overturned on Appeal"
Based on what, exactly? The standard of review for appealing a subjective award is abuse of discretion, and good luck proving that when the award came under the state's ask. Especially when the defendant is so openly unrepentant in any way.
The finding of fraud is not going away, period. A reduction of the award is theoretically possible, but pretty unlikely given the record the appeals court will have to adhere to.
What were the damages ?
The bank reps testified they made all their interest on time.
In fact they were willing to lend Trump even more money.
And bank's routinely conduct their own appraisal.
And the judges appraisal of Trumps property was ludicrous.
Was in west palm beach and boca ration just 10 days ago looking at rental property.
18 million appraisal for Trumps property is nuts. It would easily be 80-100 million or more. Prices are sky high in that area.
Based on this argument, drunks should never be stopped or arrested until the accident happens. Where is the damage?
If you can't beat 'em, arrest 'em. Normally a FAIR and FREE election would clean up this abuse but I fear those days are gone.
Blagojevich says hello.
Jail is full of people who planned a crime. In this case, Trump DID the crime (lying on loan and tax documents)
But f the consequence for the Trump organization was $1,000, where's the deterrent?
It's not uncommon in sentencing for the A-Hole to get more time than the person who shows contrition.
So if you stroll into a bank for a loan and say your house is worth $750,000 and you sell it for only $500,000, you think you have committed a crime? Should you get sued in Civil court and have to pay Ken Paxton and the state a $50 million fine? What if you sell your house for $1,000,000? Should you be sued by the state for $50 million for " lying" on your application?
I cannot fathom how in the world you TDSers find this acceptable.
No. A crime is a crime. Even if you make restitution.
There are people in jail for having weed on them EVEN though there is no "victim."
Laws don't require victims before they can be enforced.
Think about all the things you do to avoid the fine. Seatbelts. Helmets. School speed limits. Pay taxes.
Seems the issue isn't the enforcement of the statue. It's the enforcement against Trump. I don't see an argument that he DIDN'T lie of the applications.
Keep your eye on the sparrow.
Biden continues to 'earn your vote'.
I'm applying your "don't vote for a rapist standard" to my vote in 2024.
No
You merely think another 5-20 million illegals is worth the horrific consequences in order to have someone mow your yard for under 25 bucks.
KaiBear said:Mitch Blood Green said:KaiBear said:Mitch Blood Green said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Would agree with you except for the fact that the loans were paid back in full. With interest. No crime. Leticia James is on record from years ago on numerous occasions saying if she is elected, she is going to "GET TRUMP".Mitch Blood Green said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:So have you ever watched the movie Minority Report starring Tom Cruise? This futuristic science fiction thriller has the Feds arresting people BEFORE they actually commit their crimes. Combine this with the Feds' January 6th response and we have 2024.Mitch Blood Green said:KaiBear said:HuMcK said:
"I suspect this will be overturned on Appeal"
Based on what, exactly? The standard of review for appealing a subjective award is abuse of discretion, and good luck proving that when the award came under the state's ask. Especially when the defendant is so openly unrepentant in any way.
The finding of fraud is not going away, period. A reduction of the award is theoretically possible, but pretty unlikely given the record the appeals court will have to adhere to.
What were the damages ?
The bank reps testified they made all their interest on time.
In fact they were willing to lend Trump even more money.
And bank's routinely conduct their own appraisal.
And the judges appraisal of Trumps property was ludicrous.
Was in west palm beach and boca ration just 10 days ago looking at rental property.
18 million appraisal for Trumps property is nuts. It would easily be 80-100 million or more. Prices are sky high in that area.
Based on this argument, drunks should never be stopped or arrested until the accident happens. Where is the damage?
If you can't beat 'em, arrest 'em. Normally a FAIR and FREE election would clean up this abuse but I fear those days are gone.
Blagojevich says hello.
Jail is full of people who planned a crime. In this case, Trump DID the crime (lying on loan and tax documents)
But f the consequence for the Trump organization was $1,000, where's the deterrent?
It's not uncommon in sentencing for the A-Hole to get more time than the person who shows contrition.
So if you stroll into a bank for a loan and say your house is worth $750,000 and you sell it for only $500,000, you think you have committed a crime? Should you get sued in Civil court and have to pay Ken Paxton and the state a $50 million fine? What if you sell your house for $1,000,000? Should you be sued by the state for $50 million for " lying" on your application?
I cannot fathom how in the world you TDSers find this acceptable.
No. A crime is a crime. Even if you make restitution.
There are people in jail for having weed on them EVEN though there is no "victim."
Laws don't require victims before they can be enforced.
Think about all the things you do to avoid the fine. Seatbelts. Helmets. School speed limits. Pay taxes.
Seems the issue isn't the enforcement of the statue. It's the enforcement against Trump. I don't see an argument that he DIDN'T lie of the applications.
Keep your eye on the sparrow.
Biden continues to 'earn your vote'.
I'm applying your "don't vote for a rapist standard" to my vote in 2024.
No
You merely think another 5-20 million illegals is worth the horrific consequences in order to have someone mow your yard for under 25 bucks.
GOP believes the same. Otherwise, they'd vote for the border bill.
25$ grab it. That is a good deal. Capitalism...KaiBear said:Mitch Blood Green said:KaiBear said:Mitch Blood Green said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Would agree with you except for the fact that the loans were paid back in full. With interest. No crime. Leticia James is on record from years ago on numerous occasions saying if she is elected, she is going to "GET TRUMP".Mitch Blood Green said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:So have you ever watched the movie Minority Report starring Tom Cruise? This futuristic science fiction thriller has the Feds arresting people BEFORE they actually commit their crimes. Combine this with the Feds' January 6th response and we have 2024.Mitch Blood Green said:KaiBear said:HuMcK said:
"I suspect this will be overturned on Appeal"
Based on what, exactly? The standard of review for appealing a subjective award is abuse of discretion, and good luck proving that when the award came under the state's ask. Especially when the defendant is so openly unrepentant in any way.
The finding of fraud is not going away, period. A reduction of the award is theoretically possible, but pretty unlikely given the record the appeals court will have to adhere to.
What were the damages ?
The bank reps testified they made all their interest on time.
In fact they were willing to lend Trump even more money.
And bank's routinely conduct their own appraisal.
And the judges appraisal of Trumps property was ludicrous.
Was in west palm beach and boca ration just 10 days ago looking at rental property.
18 million appraisal for Trumps property is nuts. It would easily be 80-100 million or more. Prices are sky high in that area.
Based on this argument, drunks should never be stopped or arrested until the accident happens. Where is the damage?
If you can't beat 'em, arrest 'em. Normally a FAIR and FREE election would clean up this abuse but I fear those days are gone.
Blagojevich says hello.
Jail is full of people who planned a crime. In this case, Trump DID the crime (lying on loan and tax documents)
But f the consequence for the Trump organization was $1,000, where's the deterrent?
It's not uncommon in sentencing for the A-Hole to get more time than the person who shows contrition.
So if you stroll into a bank for a loan and say your house is worth $750,000 and you sell it for only $500,000, you think you have committed a crime? Should you get sued in Civil court and have to pay Ken Paxton and the state a $50 million fine? What if you sell your house for $1,000,000? Should you be sued by the state for $50 million for " lying" on your application?
I cannot fathom how in the world you TDSers find this acceptable.
No. A crime is a crime. Even if you make restitution.
There are people in jail for having weed on them EVEN though there is no "victim."
Laws don't require victims before they can be enforced.
Think about all the things you do to avoid the fine. Seatbelts. Helmets. School speed limits. Pay taxes.
Seems the issue isn't the enforcement of the statue. It's the enforcement against Trump. I don't see an argument that he DIDN'T lie of the applications.
Keep your eye on the sparrow.
Biden continues to 'earn your vote'.
I'm applying your "don't vote for a rapist standard" to my vote in 2024.
No
You merely think another 5-20 million illegals is worth the horrific consequences in order to have someone mow your yard for under 25 bucks.
Sam Lowry said:Haven't followed it closely, but I'm pretty sure no victim is required. I agree with Frank Galvin that the judgment looks excessive, at least at first glance.GrowlTowel said:HuMcK said:
"I suspect this will be overturned on Appeal"
Based on what, exactly? The standard of review for appealing a subjective award is abuse of discretion, and good luck proving that when the award came under the state's ask. Especially when the defendant is so openly unrepentant in any way.
The finding of fraud is not going away, period. A reduction of the award is theoretically possible, but pretty unlikely given the record the appeals court will have to adhere to.
Sorry, but the review is not abuse of discretion. Rather it is sufficiency of the evidence - something that is sorely lacking in this case as there is no evidence of a victim.
So say I value a $350,000 home @ $700,000 to acquire a $600,000 loan which I pay back in full on time, But, I am then fined $7,000,000 for doing this bank fraud. This seems incredibly excessive.
Seems like the Court is a bigger crook than Trump and even more corrupt.
Agreed. Why penalize someone for paying back a loan at whatever the rate agreed to. Makes no sense to have a vendetta or be that politically motivated. The judges should be disbarred
If you speed through a school zone and don't have an accident, should you get a ticket? Who is the injured party?Doc Holliday said:Who is the injured party?HuMcK said:
"The precedents being set will be used against democrats someday"
Good, fraud and criminality should not be tolerated, they should be ripped out root-and-stem. See how easy that was?
You are experiencing cognitive dissonance because you buy into the false notion that all politicians and parties are equally corrupt (a common coping mechanism on the right these days for supporting an unprecedented monster), and when reality pushes back on your delusions it causes you distress.
Speaking of precedents and politcized cases, the Clintons and Hunter Biden say hello. If you don't like your guy being prosecuted, maybe don't throw your lot in with criminals and thieves next time.
However, this does sound excessive from this distance.
so school children crossing the street or motorists sharing the road with drunk drivers are now viewed the same as sophisticated global financial institutions and insurers entering transactions? we get the point you're trying to make, but it's not quite the same.Osodecentx said:If you speed through a school zone and don't have an accident, should you get a ticket? Who is the injured party?Doc Holliday said:Who is the injured party?HuMcK said:
"The precedents being set will be used against democrats someday"
Good, fraud and criminality should not be tolerated, they should be ripped out root-and-stem. See how easy that was?
You are experiencing cognitive dissonance because you buy into the false notion that all politicians and parties are equally corrupt (a common coping mechanism on the right these days for supporting an unprecedented monster), and when reality pushes back on your delusions it causes you distress.
Speaking of precedents and politcized cases, the Clintons and Hunter Biden say hello. If you don't like your guy being prosecuted, maybe don't throw your lot in with criminals and thieves next time.
However, this does sound excessive from this distance.
The banks have a right to refuse to loan money if they feel that there is fraud in the valuations of collateral. School children at a school crossing don't have that kind of option to avoid getting hit by a speeding car. Thus a difference in the handling of such cases.Osodecentx said:If you speed through a school zone and don't have an accident, should you get a ticket? Who is the injured party?Doc Holliday said:Who is the injured party?HuMcK said:
"The precedents being set will be used against democrats someday"
Good, fraud and criminality should not be tolerated, they should be ripped out root-and-stem. See how easy that was?
You are experiencing cognitive dissonance because you buy into the false notion that all politicians and parties are equally corrupt (a common coping mechanism on the right these days for supporting an unprecedented monster), and when reality pushes back on your delusions it causes you distress.
Speaking of precedents and politcized cases, the Clintons and Hunter Biden say hello. If you don't like your guy being prosecuted, maybe don't throw your lot in with criminals and thieves next time.
However, this does sound excessive from this distance.
A school zone speed limit is for the need of serious prevention.
Lending issues prevention should be handled by the parties negotiating a lending contract. If the contract is broken, then there is potential fraud case. Most prevention laws in the financial world are to prevent banks and brokerages from taking advantage of their customers.
Mitch Blood Green said:KaiBear said:Mitch Blood Green said:KaiBear said:Mitch Blood Green said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Would agree with you except for the fact that the loans were paid back in full. With interest. No crime. Leticia James is on record from years ago on numerous occasions saying if she is elected, she is going to "GET TRUMP".Mitch Blood Green said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:So have you ever watched the movie Minority Report starring Tom Cruise? This futuristic science fiction thriller has the Feds arresting people BEFORE they actually commit their crimes. Combine this with the Feds' January 6th response and we have 2024.Mitch Blood Green said:KaiBear said:HuMcK said:
"I suspect this will be overturned on Appeal"
Based on what, exactly? The standard of review for appealing a subjective award is abuse of discretion, and good luck proving that when the award came under the state's ask. Especially when the defendant is so openly unrepentant in any way.
The finding of fraud is not going away, period. A reduction of the award is theoretically possible, but pretty unlikely given the record the appeals court will have to adhere to.
What were the damages ?
The bank reps testified they made all their interest on time.
In fact they were willing to lend Trump even more money.
And bank's routinely conduct their own appraisal.
And the judges appraisal of Trumps property was ludicrous.
Was in west palm beach and boca ration just 10 days ago looking at rental property.
18 million appraisal for Trumps property is nuts. It would easily be 80-100 million or more. Prices are sky high in that area.
Based on this argument, drunks should never be stopped or arrested until the accident happens. Where is the damage?
If you can't beat 'em, arrest 'em. Normally a FAIR and FREE election would clean up this abuse but I fear those days are gone.
Blagojevich says hello.
Jail is full of people who planned a crime. In this case, Trump DID the crime (lying on loan and tax documents)
But f the consequence for the Trump organization was $1,000, where's the deterrent?
It's not uncommon in sentencing for the A-Hole to get more time than the person who shows contrition.
So if you stroll into a bank for a loan and say your house is worth $750,000 and you sell it for only $500,000, you think you have committed a crime? Should you get sued in Civil court and have to pay Ken Paxton and the state a $50 million fine? What if you sell your house for $1,000,000? Should you be sued by the state for $50 million for " lying" on your application?
I cannot fathom how in the world you TDSers find this acceptable.
No. A crime is a crime. Even if you make restitution.
There are people in jail for having weed on them EVEN though there is no "victim."
Laws don't require victims before they can be enforced.
Think about all the things you do to avoid the fine. Seatbelts. Helmets. School speed limits. Pay taxes.
Seems the issue isn't the enforcement of the statue. It's the enforcement against Trump. I don't see an argument that he DIDN'T lie of the applications.
Keep your eye on the sparrow.
Biden continues to 'earn your vote'.
I'm applying your "don't vote for a rapist standard" to my vote in 2024.
No
You merely think another 5-20 million illegals is worth the horrific consequences in order to have someone mow your yard for under 25 bucks.
GOP believes the same. Otherwise, they'd vote for the border bill.
The border bill is intentionally ineffective.
And there are many naive people who feel they will remain insulated from the consequences of millions of illegals flooding into our country .
A vote for Biden is ones consent for continuing this unprecedented invasion.
Even Barrack Obama did a much better job of enforcing federal immigration laws.
EatMoreSalmon said:The banks have a right to refuse to loan money if they feel that there is fraud in the valuations of collateral. School children at a school crossing don't have that kind of option to avoid getting hit by a speeding car. Thus a difference in the handling of such cases.Osodecentx said:If you speed through a school zone and don't have an accident, should you get a ticket? Who is the injured party?Doc Holliday said:Who is the injured party?HuMcK said:
"The precedents being set will be used against democrats someday"
Good, fraud and criminality should not be tolerated, they should be ripped out root-and-stem. See how easy that was?
You are experiencing cognitive dissonance because you buy into the false notion that all politicians and parties are equally corrupt (a common coping mechanism on the right these days for supporting an unprecedented monster), and when reality pushes back on your delusions it causes you distress.
Speaking of precedents and politcized cases, the Clintons and Hunter Biden say hello. If you don't like your guy being prosecuted, maybe don't throw your lot in with criminals and thieves next time.
However, this does sound excessive from this distance.
A school zone speed limit is for the need of serious prevention.
Lending issues prevention should be handled by the parties negotiating a lending contract. If the contract is broken, then there is potential fraud case. Most prevention laws in the financial world are to prevent banks and brokerages from taking advantage of their customers.
Bernie Madoff yielded great returns …. for decades
Should the banks he defrauded have been reimbursed?
now trump is madoff. this thread has driven through a school zone, dodged a swerving drunk driver and crashed into a multibillion dollar ponzi scheme that landed the fraudster in jail for life.Osodecentx said:EatMoreSalmon said:The banks have a right to refuse to loan money if they feel that there is fraud in the valuations of collateral. School children at a school crossing don't have that kind of option to avoid getting hit by a speeding car. Thus a difference in the handling of such cases.Osodecentx said:If you speed through a school zone and don't have an accident, should you get a ticket? Who is the injured party?Doc Holliday said:Who is the injured party?HuMcK said:
"The precedents being set will be used against democrats someday"
Good, fraud and criminality should not be tolerated, they should be ripped out root-and-stem. See how easy that was?
You are experiencing cognitive dissonance because you buy into the false notion that all politicians and parties are equally corrupt (a common coping mechanism on the right these days for supporting an unprecedented monster), and when reality pushes back on your delusions it causes you distress.
Speaking of precedents and politcized cases, the Clintons and Hunter Biden say hello. If you don't like your guy being prosecuted, maybe don't throw your lot in with criminals and thieves next time.
However, this does sound excessive from this distance.
A school zone speed limit is for the need of serious prevention.
Lending issues prevention should be handled by the parties negotiating a lending contract. If the contract is broken, then there is potential fraud case. Most prevention laws in the financial world are to prevent banks and brokerages from taking advantage of their customers.
Bernie Madoff yielded great returns …. for decades
Should the banks he defrauded have been reimbursed?
Cobretti said:now trump is madoff. this thread has driven through a school zone, dodged a swerving drunk driver and crashed into a multibillion dollar ponzi scheme that landed the fraudster in jail for life.Osodecentx said:EatMoreSalmon said:The banks have a right to refuse to loan money if they feel that there is fraud in the valuations of collateral. School children at a school crossing don't have that kind of option to avoid getting hit by a speeding car. Thus a difference in the handling of such cases.Osodecentx said:If you speed through a school zone and don't have an accident, should you get a ticket? Who is the injured party?Doc Holliday said:Who is the injured party?HuMcK said:
"The precedents being set will be used against democrats someday"
Good, fraud and criminality should not be tolerated, they should be ripped out root-and-stem. See how easy that was?
You are experiencing cognitive dissonance because you buy into the false notion that all politicians and parties are equally corrupt (a common coping mechanism on the right these days for supporting an unprecedented monster), and when reality pushes back on your delusions it causes you distress.
Speaking of precedents and politcized cases, the Clintons and Hunter Biden say hello. If you don't like your guy being prosecuted, maybe don't throw your lot in with criminals and thieves next time.
However, this does sound excessive from this distance.
A school zone speed limit is for the need of serious prevention.
Lending issues prevention should be handled by the parties negotiating a lending contract. If the contract is broken, then there is potential fraud case. Most prevention laws in the financial world are to prevent banks and brokerages from taking advantage of their customers.
Bernie Madoff yielded great returns …. for decades
Should the banks he defrauded have been reimbursed?
Not what I said
I did say I thought this was excessive
your edit makes your point more clear. the fine is beyond excessive.Osodecentx said:Cobretti said:now trump is madoff. this thread has driven through a school zone, dodged a swerving drunk driver and crashed into a multibillion dollar ponzi scheme that landed the fraudster in jail for life.Osodecentx said:EatMoreSalmon said:The banks have a right to refuse to loan money if they feel that there is fraud in the valuations of collateral. School children at a school crossing don't have that kind of option to avoid getting hit by a speeding car. Thus a difference in the handling of such cases.Osodecentx said:If you speed through a school zone and don't have an accident, should you get a ticket? Who is the injured party?Doc Holliday said:Who is the injured party?HuMcK said:
"The precedents being set will be used against democrats someday"
Good, fraud and criminality should not be tolerated, they should be ripped out root-and-stem. See how easy that was?
You are experiencing cognitive dissonance because you buy into the false notion that all politicians and parties are equally corrupt (a common coping mechanism on the right these days for supporting an unprecedented monster), and when reality pushes back on your delusions it causes you distress.
Speaking of precedents and politcized cases, the Clintons and Hunter Biden say hello. If you don't like your guy being prosecuted, maybe don't throw your lot in with criminals and thieves next time.
However, this does sound excessive from this distance.
A school zone speed limit is for the need of serious prevention.
Lending issues prevention should be handled by the parties negotiating a lending contract. If the contract is broken, then there is potential fraud case. Most prevention laws in the financial world are to prevent banks and brokerages from taking advantage of their customers.
Bernie Madoff yielded great returns …. for decades
Should the banks he defrauded have been reimbursed?
Not what I said
I did say I thought this was excessive
the real question is do independents find it excessive? democrats assume independents are enjoying all the swings at the trump pinata with the same glee, but maybe the've gone overboard already.
Cobretti said:your edit makes your point more clear. the fine is beyond excessive.Osodecentx said:Cobretti said:now trump is madoff. this thread has driven through a school zone, dodged a swerving drunk driver and crashed into a multibillion dollar ponzi scheme that landed the fraudster in jail for life.Osodecentx said:EatMoreSalmon said:The banks have a right to refuse to loan money if they feel that there is fraud in the valuations of collateral. School children at a school crossing don't have that kind of option to avoid getting hit by a speeding car. Thus a difference in the handling of such cases.Osodecentx said:If you speed through a school zone and don't have an accident, should you get a ticket? Who is the injured party?Doc Holliday said:Who is the injured party?HuMcK said:
"The precedents being set will be used against democrats someday"
Good, fraud and criminality should not be tolerated, they should be ripped out root-and-stem. See how easy that was?
You are experiencing cognitive dissonance because you buy into the false notion that all politicians and parties are equally corrupt (a common coping mechanism on the right these days for supporting an unprecedented monster), and when reality pushes back on your delusions it causes you distress.
Speaking of precedents and politcized cases, the Clintons and Hunter Biden say hello. If you don't like your guy being prosecuted, maybe don't throw your lot in with criminals and thieves next time.
However, this does sound excessive from this distance.
A school zone speed limit is for the need of serious prevention.
Lending issues prevention should be handled by the parties negotiating a lending contract. If the contract is broken, then there is potential fraud case. Most prevention laws in the financial world are to prevent banks and brokerages from taking advantage of their customers.
Bernie Madoff yielded great returns …. for decades
Should the banks he defrauded have been reimbursed?
Not what I said
I did say I thought this was excessive
the real question is do independents find it excessive? democrats assume independents are enjoying all the swings at the trump pinata with the same glee, but maybe the've gone overboard already.
I'm Never Trump. It seems excessive
Sure, you should get a ticket. Now, if it's common to speed through a school zone and no one ever gets a ticket except the political opponent of the guy in charge, then we have an issue.Osodecentx said:If you speed through a school zone and don't have an accident, should you get a ticket? Who is the injured party?Doc Holliday said:Who is the injured party?HuMcK said:
"The precedents being set will be used against democrats someday"
Good, fraud and criminality should not be tolerated, they should be ripped out root-and-stem. See how easy that was?
You are experiencing cognitive dissonance because you buy into the false notion that all politicians and parties are equally corrupt (a common coping mechanism on the right these days for supporting an unprecedented monster), and when reality pushes back on your delusions it causes you distress.
Speaking of precedents and politcized cases, the Clintons and Hunter Biden say hello. If you don't like your guy being prosecuted, maybe don't throw your lot in with criminals and thieves next time.
However, this does sound excessive from this distance.
If everyone gets a ticket, except the political opponent gets 354 million tickets, then we have a problem.
What is it that they say, show me a man, I'll find you a crime.
boognish_bear said:🚨President Donald Trump launched a line of sneakers
— Unlimited L's (@unlimited_ls) February 17, 2024
The collection includes high tops in gold with a "Never Surrender" design priced at $399, as well as red “T - Red Wave” and white “POTUS 45” laceless athletic shoes with a "T" and the number 45, priced at $199 each pic.twitter.com/NcQKFqTz1r
Is there any doubt those are made in West Virginia or some other America First state?
Osodecentx said:Cobretti said:your edit makes your point more clear. the fine is beyond excessive.Osodecentx said:Cobretti said:now trump is madoff. this thread has driven through a school zone, dodged a swerving drunk driver and crashed into a multibillion dollar ponzi scheme that landed the fraudster in jail for life.Osodecentx said:EatMoreSalmon said:The banks have a right to refuse to loan money if they feel that there is fraud in the valuations of collateral. School children at a school crossing don't have that kind of option to avoid getting hit by a speeding car. Thus a difference in the handling of such cases.Osodecentx said:If you speed through a school zone and don't have an accident, should you get a ticket? Who is the injured party?Doc Holliday said:Who is the injured party?HuMcK said:
"The precedents being set will be used against democrats someday"
Good, fraud and criminality should not be tolerated, they should be ripped out root-and-stem. See how easy that was?
You are experiencing cognitive dissonance because you buy into the false notion that all politicians and parties are equally corrupt (a common coping mechanism on the right these days for supporting an unprecedented monster), and when reality pushes back on your delusions it causes you distress.
Speaking of precedents and politcized cases, the Clintons and Hunter Biden say hello. If you don't like your guy being prosecuted, maybe don't throw your lot in with criminals and thieves next time.
However, this does sound excessive from this distance.
A school zone speed limit is for the need of serious prevention.
Lending issues prevention should be handled by the parties negotiating a lending contract. If the contract is broken, then there is potential fraud case. Most prevention laws in the financial world are to prevent banks and brokerages from taking advantage of their customers.
Bernie Madoff yielded great returns …. for decades
Should the banks he defrauded have been reimbursed?
Not what I said
I did say I thought this was excessive
the real question is do independents find it excessive? democrats assume independents are enjoying all the swings at the trump pinata with the same glee, but maybe the've gone overboard already.
I'm Never Trump. It seems excessive
Fines typically are aligned with the benefit received. It's why when Tiger Woods got divorced, he paid $100M and I paid less. (Not by much. Just $100M)
Excessive? I'm don't know. I can assure you of this. If he were a Colombian soccer player and kept committing these own goals, the cartels would have a problem with him.
Trump was hit for low balling property values for bank loans,(values they ignored).
— Jason Robertson (@JRobFromMN) February 18, 2024
This is a fairly common practice by all Property Developers.
So can anyone explain why Hochul says other developers have nothing to worry about?
Unless of course she is admitting its a… pic.twitter.com/Pn11hWUC0w
Mitch Blood Green said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:So have you ever watched the movie Minority Report starring Tom Cruise? This futuristic science fiction thriller has the Feds arresting people BEFORE they actually commit their crimes. Combine this with the Feds' January 6th response and we have 2024.Mitch Blood Green said:KaiBear said:HuMcK said:
"I suspect this will be overturned on Appeal"
Based on what, exactly? The standard of review for appealing a subjective award is abuse of discretion, and good luck proving that when the award came under the state's ask. Especially when the defendant is so openly unrepentant in any way.
The finding of fraud is not going away, period. A reduction of the award is theoretically possible, but pretty unlikely given the record the appeals court will have to adhere to.
What were the damages ?
The bank reps testified they made all their interest on time.
In fact they were willing to lend Trump even more money.
And bank's routinely conduct their own appraisal.
And the judges appraisal of Trumps property was ludicrous.
Was in west palm beach and boca ration just 10 days ago looking at rental property.
18 million appraisal for Trumps property is nuts. It would easily be 80-100 million or more. Prices are sky high in that area.
Based on this argument, drunks should never be stopped or arrested until the accident happens. Where is the damage?
If you can't beat 'em, arrest 'em. Normally a FAIR and FREE election would clean up this abuse but I fear those days are gone.
Blagojevich says hello.
Jail is full of people who planned a crime. In this case, Trump DID the crime (lying on loan and tax documents)
But f the consequence for the Trump organization was $1,000, where's the deterrent?
It's not uncommon in sentencing for the A-Hole to get more time than the person who shows contrition.
Crime? Who was the victim of this crime?
GrowlTowel said:Mitch Blood Green said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:So have you ever watched the movie Minority Report starring Tom Cruise? This futuristic science fiction thriller has the Feds arresting people BEFORE they actually commit their crimes. Combine this with the Feds' January 6th response and we have 2024.Mitch Blood Green said:KaiBear said:HuMcK said:
"I suspect this will be overturned on Appeal"
Based on what, exactly? The standard of review for appealing a subjective award is abuse of discretion, and good luck proving that when the award came under the state's ask. Especially when the defendant is so openly unrepentant in any way.
The finding of fraud is not going away, period. A reduction of the award is theoretically possible, but pretty unlikely given the record the appeals court will have to adhere to.
What were the damages ?
The bank reps testified they made all their interest on time.
In fact they were willing to lend Trump even more money.
And bank's routinely conduct their own appraisal.
And the judges appraisal of Trumps property was ludicrous.
Was in west palm beach and boca ration just 10 days ago looking at rental property.
18 million appraisal for Trumps property is nuts. It would easily be 80-100 million or more. Prices are sky high in that area.
Based on this argument, drunks should never be stopped or arrested until the accident happens. Where is the damage?
If you can't beat 'em, arrest 'em. Normally a FAIR and FREE election would clean up this abuse but I fear those days are gone.
Blagojevich says hello.
Jail is full of people who planned a crime. In this case, Trump DID the crime (lying on loan and tax documents)
But f the consequence for the Trump organization was $1,000, where's the deterrent?
It's not uncommon in sentencing for the A-Hole to get more time than the person who shows contrition.
Crime? Who was the victim of this crime?
Crime doesn't require victims. They require laws.
Mitch Blood Green said:Osodecentx said:Cobretti said:your edit makes your point more clear. the fine is beyond excessive.Osodecentx said:Cobretti said:now trump is madoff. this thread has driven through a school zone, dodged a swerving drunk driver and crashed into a multibillion dollar ponzi scheme that landed the fraudster in jail for life.Osodecentx said:EatMoreSalmon said:The banks have a right to refuse to loan money if they feel that there is fraud in the valuations of collateral. School children at a school crossing don't have that kind of option to avoid getting hit by a speeding car. Thus a difference in the handling of such cases.Osodecentx said:If you speed through a school zone and don't have an accident, should you get a ticket? Who is the injured party?Doc Holliday said:Who is the injured party?HuMcK said:
"The precedents being set will be used against democrats someday"
Good, fraud and criminality should not be tolerated, they should be ripped out root-and-stem. See how easy that was?
You are experiencing cognitive dissonance because you buy into the false notion that all politicians and parties are equally corrupt (a common coping mechanism on the right these days for supporting an unprecedented monster), and when reality pushes back on your delusions it causes you distress.
Speaking of precedents and politcized cases, the Clintons and Hunter Biden say hello. If you don't like your guy being prosecuted, maybe don't throw your lot in with criminals and thieves next time.
However, this does sound excessive from this distance.
A school zone speed limit is for the need of serious prevention.
Lending issues prevention should be handled by the parties negotiating a lending contract. If the contract is broken, then there is potential fraud case. Most prevention laws in the financial world are to prevent banks and brokerages from taking advantage of their customers.
Bernie Madoff yielded great returns …. for decades
Should the banks he defrauded have been reimbursed?
Not what I said
I did say I thought this was excessive
the real question is do independents find it excessive? democrats assume independents are enjoying all the swings at the trump pinata with the same glee, but maybe the've gone overboard already.
I'm Never Trump. It seems excessive
Fines typically are aligned with the benefit received. It's why when Tiger Woods got divorced, he paid $100M and I paid less. (Not by much. Just $100M)
Excessive? I'm don't know. I can assure you of this. If he were a Colombian soccer player and kept committing these own goals, the cartels would have a problem with him.
Benefit? If both the lender and borrower benefited, that used to be called a contract.
Mitch Blood Green said:GrowlTowel said:Mitch Blood Green said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:So have you ever watched the movie Minority Report starring Tom Cruise? This futuristic science fiction thriller has the Feds arresting people BEFORE they actually commit their crimes. Combine this with the Feds' January 6th response and we have 2024.Mitch Blood Green said:KaiBear said:HuMcK said:
"I suspect this will be overturned on Appeal"
Based on what, exactly? The standard of review for appealing a subjective award is abuse of discretion, and good luck proving that when the award came under the state's ask. Especially when the defendant is so openly unrepentant in any way.
The finding of fraud is not going away, period. A reduction of the award is theoretically possible, but pretty unlikely given the record the appeals court will have to adhere to.
What were the damages ?
The bank reps testified they made all their interest on time.
In fact they were willing to lend Trump even more money.
And bank's routinely conduct their own appraisal.
And the judges appraisal of Trumps property was ludicrous.
Was in west palm beach and boca ration just 10 days ago looking at rental property.
18 million appraisal for Trumps property is nuts. It would easily be 80-100 million or more. Prices are sky high in that area.
Based on this argument, drunks should never be stopped or arrested until the accident happens. Where is the damage?
If you can't beat 'em, arrest 'em. Normally a FAIR and FREE election would clean up this abuse but I fear those days are gone.
Blagojevich says hello.
Jail is full of people who planned a crime. In this case, Trump DID the crime (lying on loan and tax documents)
But f the consequence for the Trump organization was $1,000, where's the deterrent?
It's not uncommon in sentencing for the A-Hole to get more time than the person who shows contrition.
Crime? Who was the victim of this crime?
Crime doesn't require victims. They require laws.
Can't even name a hypothetical victim in this civil case?
Trump has been impeached twice, arrested 4 times and charged 91 times.
Now they fined him $350,000,00. They also took him off a ballot.
But no other politicians are held accountable for anything and some of you goobers think this is all normal. YOU KNOW FOR A FACT THAT THE RULES ARE DIFFERENT IF YOU'RE NOT PART OF THE CLUB.
Now they fined him $350,000,00. They also took him off a ballot.
But no other politicians are held accountable for anything and some of you goobers think this is all normal. YOU KNOW FOR A FACT THAT THE RULES ARE DIFFERENT IF YOU'RE NOT PART OF THE CLUB.
GrowlTowel said:Mitch Blood Green said:GrowlTowel said:Mitch Blood Green said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:So have you ever watched the movie Minority Report starring Tom Cruise? This futuristic science fiction thriller has the Feds arresting people BEFORE they actually commit their crimes. Combine this with the Feds' January 6th response and we have 2024.Mitch Blood Green said:KaiBear said:HuMcK said:
"I suspect this will be overturned on Appeal"
Based on what, exactly? The standard of review for appealing a subjective award is abuse of discretion, and good luck proving that when the award came under the state's ask. Especially when the defendant is so openly unrepentant in any way.
The finding of fraud is not going away, period. A reduction of the award is theoretically possible, but pretty unlikely given the record the appeals court will have to adhere to.
What were the damages ?
The bank reps testified they made all their interest on time.
In fact they were willing to lend Trump even more money.
And bank's routinely conduct their own appraisal.
And the judges appraisal of Trumps property was ludicrous.
Was in west palm beach and boca ration just 10 days ago looking at rental property.
18 million appraisal for Trumps property is nuts. It would easily be 80-100 million or more. Prices are sky high in that area.
Based on this argument, drunks should never be stopped or arrested until the accident happens. Where is the damage?
If you can't beat 'em, arrest 'em. Normally a FAIR and FREE election would clean up this abuse but I fear those days are gone.
Blagojevich says hello.
Jail is full of people who planned a crime. In this case, Trump DID the crime (lying on loan and tax documents)
But f the consequence for the Trump organization was $1,000, where's the deterrent?
It's not uncommon in sentencing for the A-Hole to get more time than the person who shows contrition.
Crime? Who was the victim of this crime?
Crime doesn't require victims. They require laws.
Can't even name a hypothetical victim in this civil case?
So, you don't think we needs laws that require truth in loan applications? Every Hairy Dick Tom can provide any documentation and evaluation they want and it's not a crime unless the lender gets burned?
Might I remind you this is the guy who has filed bankruptcy six (6) times.
yet the "victims" still entered multimillion dollar transactions with armies of lawyers, accountants and financial gurus reviewing the deals. and they said they'd do business with him again. oh the horrorrrrrr.....Mitch Blood Green said:GrowlTowel said:Mitch Blood Green said:GrowlTowel said:Mitch Blood Green said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:So have you ever watched the movie Minority Report starring Tom Cruise? This futuristic science fiction thriller has the Feds arresting people BEFORE they actually commit their crimes. Combine this with the Feds' January 6th response and we have 2024.Mitch Blood Green said:KaiBear said:HuMcK said:
"I suspect this will be overturned on Appeal"
Based on what, exactly? The standard of review for appealing a subjective award is abuse of discretion, and good luck proving that when the award came under the state's ask. Especially when the defendant is so openly unrepentant in any way.
The finding of fraud is not going away, period. A reduction of the award is theoretically possible, but pretty unlikely given the record the appeals court will have to adhere to.
What were the damages ?
The bank reps testified they made all their interest on time.
In fact they were willing to lend Trump even more money.
And bank's routinely conduct their own appraisal.
And the judges appraisal of Trumps property was ludicrous.
Was in west palm beach and boca ration just 10 days ago looking at rental property.
18 million appraisal for Trumps property is nuts. It would easily be 80-100 million or more. Prices are sky high in that area.
Based on this argument, drunks should never be stopped or arrested until the accident happens. Where is the damage?
If you can't beat 'em, arrest 'em. Normally a FAIR and FREE election would clean up this abuse but I fear those days are gone.
Blagojevich says hello.
Jail is full of people who planned a crime. In this case, Trump DID the crime (lying on loan and tax documents)
But f the consequence for the Trump organization was $1,000, where's the deterrent?
It's not uncommon in sentencing for the A-Hole to get more time than the person who shows contrition.
Crime? Who was the victim of this crime?
Crime doesn't require victims. They require laws.
Can't even name a hypothetical victim in this civil case?
So, you don't think we needs laws that require truth in loan applications? Every Hairy Dick Tom can provide any documentation and evaluation they want and it's not a crime unless the lender gets burned?
Might I remind you this is the guy who has filed bankruptcy six (6) times.