Doc Holliday said:

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Because they did a due-diligence search when the Trump case started (so did Mike Pence, and he also found some docs) and voluntarily disclosured what they found. Contrast that with Trump ignoring subpoenaes, deliberately hiding docs from authorities when they searched, and ordering his subordinates to destroy evidence.

The difference is pretty obvious to see for anyone eithout their head up Trump's ass.

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Trump had power to declassify.

Biden never did.

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Biden does now. Trump doesn't

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I literally explained to you why it was completely different from Trump's case. Should I use smaller words next time to help it sink in, or is it a lost cause?

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relax, take a deep breath. no need to get emotional. i know why the cases are different. i'm telling you why regardless of verdict, voters know why the cases are being *treated* differently, and that's what matters most.

Osodecentx said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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HuMcK said:

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Because they did a due-diligence search when the Trump case started (so did Mike Pence, and he also found some docs) and voluntarily disclosured what they found. Contrast that with Trump ignoring subpoenaes, deliberately hiding docs from authorities when they searched, and ordering his subordinates to destroy evidence.

The difference is pretty obvious to see for anyone eithout their head up Trump's ass.

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Trump had power to declassify.

Biden never did.

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Biden does now. Trump doesn't

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i feel so much safer now.

Cobretti said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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HuMcK said:

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Because they did a due-diligence search when the Trump case started (so did Mike Pence, and he also found some docs) and voluntarily disclosured what they found. Contrast that with Trump ignoring subpoenaes, deliberately hiding docs from authorities when they searched, and ordering his subordinates to destroy evidence.

The difference is pretty obvious to see for anyone eithout their head up Trump's ass.

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Trump had power to declassify.

Biden never did.

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Biden does now. Trump doesn't

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i feel so much safer now.

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Some here have stated that Trump could declassify top secret documents by mere thought and nothing else because he was POTUS. They say that Trump couldn't have top secret docs because of his "thought declassification", therefore no laws were broken.

Using that reasoning, Biden could retroactively declassify every doc in his garage or at the Penn Biden center by mere thought. Therefore Biden had no classified docs in his possession. If Trump can do it, Biden can do it.

This is absurd and I hope we can agree that neither can do it in this manner..

Osodecentx said:

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Cobretti said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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HuMcK said:

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Because they did a due-diligence search when the Trump case started (so did Mike Pence, and he also found some docs) and voluntarily disclosured what they found. Contrast that with Trump ignoring subpoenaes, deliberately hiding docs from authorities when they searched, and ordering his subordinates to destroy evidence.

The difference is pretty obvious to see for anyone eithout their head up Trump's ass.

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Trump had power to declassify.

Biden never did.

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Biden does now. Trump doesn't

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i feel so much safer now.

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Some here have stated that Trump could declassify top secret documents by mere thought and nothing else because he was POTUS. They say that Trump couldn't have top secret docs because of his "thought declassification", therefore no laws were broken.

Using that reasoning, Biden could retroactively declassify every doc in his garage or at the Penn Biden center by mere thought. Therefore Biden had no classified docs in his possession. If Trump can do it, Biden can do it.

This is absurd and I hope we can agree that neither can do it in this manner..

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i understand the predicament, but i don't think it's very relevant in the big picture.

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Frank Galvin said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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HuMcK said:

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Because they did a due-diligence search when the Trump case started (so did Mike Pence, and he also found some docs) and voluntarily disclosured what they found. Contrast that with Trump ignoring subpoenaes, deliberately hiding docs from authorities when they searched, and ordering his subordinates to destroy evidence.

The difference is pretty obvious to see for anyone eithout their head up Trump's ass.

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Trump had power to declassify.

Biden never did.

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Trump never did what you claim so that is irrelevant.

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That's your assumption.

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Where is the paper trail? If he did, where is the documentation? Surely, if Docs were De-Classified the rest of te US Government infrastructure would know. There has to be some document management system. They document everything that goes on in the White House.

Cobretti said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Cobretti said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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HuMcK said:

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Because they did a due-diligence search when the Trump case started (so did Mike Pence, and he also found some docs) and voluntarily disclosured what they found. Contrast that with Trump ignoring subpoenaes, deliberately hiding docs from authorities when they searched, and ordering his subordinates to destroy evidence.

The difference is pretty obvious to see for anyone eithout their head up Trump's ass.

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Trump had power to declassify.

Biden never did.

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Biden does now. Trump doesn't

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i feel so much safer now.

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Some here have stated that Trump could declassify top secret documents by mere thought and nothing else because he was POTUS. They say that Trump couldn't have top secret docs because of his "thought declassification", therefore no laws were broken.

Using that reasoning, Biden could retroactively declassify every doc in his garage or at the Penn Biden center by mere thought. Therefore Biden had no classified docs in his possession. If Trump can do it, Biden can do it.

This is absurd and I hope we can agree that neither can do it in this manner..

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i understand the predicament, but i don't think it's very relevant in the big picture.

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I think it is relevant

Osodecentx said:

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Cobretti said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Cobretti said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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HuMcK said:

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Because they did a due-diligence search when the Trump case started (so did Mike Pence, and he also found some docs) and voluntarily disclosured what they found. Contrast that with Trump ignoring subpoenaes, deliberately hiding docs from authorities when they searched, and ordering his subordinates to destroy evidence.

The difference is pretty obvious to see for anyone eithout their head up Trump's ass.

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Trump had power to declassify.

Biden never did.

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Biden does now. Trump doesn't

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i feel so much safer now.

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Some here have stated that Trump could declassify top secret documents by mere thought and nothing else because he was POTUS. They say that Trump couldn't have top secret docs because of his "thought declassification", therefore no laws were broken.

Using that reasoning, Biden could retroactively declassify every doc in his garage or at the Penn Biden center by mere thought. Therefore Biden had no classified docs in his possession. If Trump can do it, Biden can do it.

This is absurd and I hope we can agree that neither can do it in this manner..

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i understand the predicament, but i don't think it's very relevant in the big picture.

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I think it is relevant

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most voters aren't looking at these details and doing the same calculus as you. they see trump had documents and joe had documents, trump indicted but biden conviction proof because jurors will feel sorry for the most powerful man in the world since he's too old and confused. the rest is noise.

Cobretti said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Cobretti said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Cobretti said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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HuMcK said:

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Because they did a due-diligence search when the Trump case started (so did Mike Pence, and he also found some docs) and voluntarily disclosured what they found. Contrast that with Trump ignoring subpoenaes, deliberately hiding docs from authorities when they searched, and ordering his subordinates to destroy evidence.

The difference is pretty obvious to see for anyone eithout their head up Trump's ass.

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Trump had power to declassify.

Biden never did.

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Biden does now. Trump doesn't

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i feel so much safer now.

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Some here have stated that Trump could declassify top secret documents by mere thought and nothing else because he was POTUS. They say that Trump couldn't have top secret docs because of his "thought declassification", therefore no laws were broken.

Using that reasoning, Biden could retroactively declassify every doc in his garage or at the Penn Biden center by mere thought. Therefore Biden had no classified docs in his possession. If Trump can do it, Biden can do it.

This is absurd and I hope we can agree that neither can do it in this manner..

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i understand the predicament, but i don't think it's very relevant in the big picture.

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I think it is relevant

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most voters aren't looking at these details and doing the same calculus as you. they see trump had documents and joe had documents, trump indicted but biden conviction proof because jurors will feel sorry for the most powerful man in the world since he's too old and confused. the rest is noise.

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Your political analysis is probably correct

I was referring to the flawed legal analysis

Osodecentx said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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HuMcK said:

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Because they did a due-diligence search when the Trump case started (so did Mike Pence, and he also found some docs) and voluntarily disclosured what they found. Contrast that with Trump ignoring subpoenaes, deliberately hiding docs from authorities when they searched, and ordering his subordinates to destroy evidence.

The difference is pretty obvious to see for anyone eithout their head up Trump's ass.

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Trump had power to declassify.

Biden never did.

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Biden does now. Trump doesn't

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he can pardon himself too.. his alledged crimes happened before he was president. Trumps alledgely happened after he was president.. see the difference or is the angle too obtuse?

This case is warrants everyone paying taxes on the fair market value of their home instead of the tax assessed value.

It's only fair if businesses and homeowners in NY are all subject to the same as Trump.

Let's bankrupt democrats using their own standards!!!

Frank Galvin said:

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Cobretti said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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Cobretti said:

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HuMcK said:

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"these cases typically arise because there's an aggrieved party to a deal who raises hell in litigation or a whistleblower speaks up to authorities"

The aggrieved whistleblower in this case is Michael Cohen, he laid it all out in sworn congressional testimony. They didn't have to look hard because he told them exactly where to look.

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so in this case we learned about it when the government squeezed trump's "aggrieved" lawyer. why doesn't the government squeeze more developer insiders to catch more bad guys? why is trump so special? i'm just asking questions.

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Because he was President. Should we expect the President, of all people, to be law abiding?

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do we expect the same from joe?

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We should. Biden screwed up. But he gave the docs back when asked. Trump did not.

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Biden should have NEVER had them to begin with as many of those docs are from when was a Senator.

HuMcK said:

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Because they did a due-diligence search when the Trump case started (so did Mike Pence, and he also found some docs) and voluntarily disclosured what they found. Contrast that with Trump ignoring subpoenaes, deliberately hiding docs from authorities when they searched, and ordering his subordinates to destroy evidence.

The difference is pretty obvious to see for anyone eithout their head up Trump's ass.

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they had to "search" for boxes of classified docs that was sitting unopened in his garage?

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Porteroso said:

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I must say, if Trump wins and clears himself of all wrongdoing I will enjoy the fireworks. For so long it has been Democrats complaining of excessive fines and sentences, and Republicans saying "rule of law." It will be hilarious to watch the roles reverse.

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thats what i find amusing now.. the Dems scream excessive fines and sentences yet find Trump's justified because he is an a..hole

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Either side would love to witness unjust treatment of the other. Tribes full of zealots is a kind way to describe the 2 parties.

Porteroso said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Porteroso said:

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I must say, if Trump wins and clears himself of all wrongdoing I will enjoy the fireworks. For so long it has been Democrats complaining of excessive fines and sentences, and Republicans saying "rule of law." It will be hilarious to watch the roles reverse.

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thats what i find amusing now.. the Dems scream excessive fines and sentences yet find Trump's justified because he is an a..hole

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Either side would love to witness unjust treatment of the other. Tribes full of zealots is a kind way to describe the 2 parties.

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reasonable take

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4th and Inches said:

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Porteroso said:

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I must say, if Trump wins and clears himself of all wrongdoing I will enjoy the fireworks. For so long it has been Democrats complaining of excessive fines and sentences, and Republicans saying "rule of law." It will be hilarious to watch the roles reverse.

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thats what i find amusing now.. the Dems scream excessive fines and sentences yet find Trump's justified because he is an a..hole

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Either side would love to witness unjust treatment of the other. Tribes full of zealots is a kind way to describe the 2 parties.

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I'd like to see the leadership of both parties canned and some investigated. If Indeed came up with these as the only two applicant choices for the job of president and commander in chief, the voters would immediately jump over to Zip Recruiter to find different ones. But since it is the two parties offering these two, "there's nothing we can do about it."

Republicans and Democrats need to demand better. I'll be writing in a name in the primary, and then rolling my eyes as I vote for our next president from the crappy choice we have given ourselves.

The Democrat Party leadership is all machine a la Tammany Hall. The Republican Party leadership wishes it was, but can't figure out how to do it effectively. The Bush wing was their best attempt.

Cobretti said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Cobretti said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Cobretti said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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HuMcK said:

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Because they did a due-diligence search when the Trump case started (so did Mike Pence, and he also found some docs) and voluntarily disclosured what they found. Contrast that with Trump ignoring subpoenaes, deliberately hiding docs from authorities when they searched, and ordering his subordinates to destroy evidence.

The difference is pretty obvious to see for anyone eithout their head up Trump's ass.

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Trump had power to declassify.

Biden never did.

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Biden does now. Trump doesn't

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i feel so much safer now.

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Some here have stated that Trump could declassify top secret documents by mere thought and nothing else because he was POTUS. They say that Trump couldn't have top secret docs because of his "thought declassification", therefore no laws were broken.

Using that reasoning, Biden could retroactively declassify every doc in his garage or at the Penn Biden center by mere thought. Therefore Biden had no classified docs in his possession. If Trump can do it, Biden can do it.

This is absurd and I hope we can agree that neither can do it in this manner..

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i understand the predicament, but i don't think it's very relevant in the big picture.

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I think it is relevant

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most voters aren't looking at these details and doing the same calculus as you. they see trump had documents and joe had documents, trump indicted but biden conviction proof because jurors will feel sorry for the most powerful man in the world since he's too old and confused. the rest is noise.

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That's how the most ardent Trump supporters view it. The majority of voters (including many Trump supporters) see this as another own goal.

Whiskey Pete said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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Cobretti said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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Cobretti said:

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HuMcK said:

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"these cases typically arise because there's an aggrieved party to a deal who raises hell in litigation or a whistleblower speaks up to authorities"

The aggrieved whistleblower in this case is Michael Cohen, he laid it all out in sworn congressional testimony. They didn't have to look hard because he told them exactly where to look.

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so in this case we learned about it when the government squeezed trump's "aggrieved" lawyer. why doesn't the government squeeze more developer insiders to catch more bad guys? why is trump so special? i'm just asking questions.

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Because he was President. Should we expect the President, of all people, to be law abiding?

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do we expect the same from joe?

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We should. Biden screwed up. But he gave the docs back when asked. Trump did not.

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Biden should have NEVER had them to begin with as many of those docs are from when was a Senator.

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I don't know about that one way or another. What I do know is that if Trump had responded like Biden and Pence did, there would be no criminal case. But Trump believes he can do whatever he wants without consequence so he got what was behind door # 3.

The lawfare Democrats are doing against Trump this year is a huge deal. And not because of the 2024 election. That’s a small part of it.

They’re finding out how far they can go. What they can actually get away with. And whatever they find out they can do, they’ll do again.

— Jesse Kelly (@JesseKellyDC) February 21, 2024

4th and Inches said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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HuMcK said:

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Because they did a due-diligence search when the Trump case started (so did Mike Pence, and he also found some docs) and voluntarily disclosured what they found. Contrast that with Trump ignoring subpoenaes, deliberately hiding docs from authorities when they searched, and ordering his subordinates to destroy evidence.

The difference is pretty obvious to see for anyone eithout their head up Trump's ass.

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Trump had power to declassify.

Biden never did.

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Biden does now. Trump doesn't

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he can pardon himself too.. his alledged crimes happened before he was president. Trumps alledgely happened after he was president.. see the difference or is the angle too obtuse?

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I think POTUS can pardon himself, the language in Constitution seems to be absolute, BUT there is a line of legal reasoning out there that disputes that.

Should POTUS have absolute immunity from any prosecution no matter what bad acts he commits? If so, he wouldn't need to pardon himself.
Do you believe a POTUS can declassify documents by mere thought? If so, then Biden can do the same thing.

Doc Holliday said:

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This case is warrants everyone paying taxes on the fair market value of their home instead of the tax assessed value.

It's only fair if businesses and homeowners in NY are all subject to the same as Trump.

Let's bankrupt democrats using their own standards!!!

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Property Taxes is based on sale price. If you buy a home, the sales price will be the new property tax level, minus Homestead and other State programs.

Trump could not sell any of those properties for the amounts he listed, nor did he have appraisals based on comps. He didn't even use the real square footage on some. So how is his valuations market value? You think that is fine to use for lending applications?

Frank Galvin said:

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Whiskey Pete said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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Cobretti said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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Cobretti said:

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HuMcK said:

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"these cases typically arise because there's an aggrieved party to a deal who raises hell in litigation or a whistleblower speaks up to authorities"

The aggrieved whistleblower in this case is Michael Cohen, he laid it all out in sworn congressional testimony. They didn't have to look hard because he told them exactly where to look.

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so in this case we learned about it when the government squeezed trump's "aggrieved" lawyer. why doesn't the government squeeze more developer insiders to catch more bad guys? why is trump so special? i'm just asking questions.

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Because he was President. Should we expect the President, of all people, to be law abiding?

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do we expect the same from joe?

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We should. Biden screwed up. But he gave the docs back when asked. Trump did not.

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Biden should have NEVER had them to begin with as many of those docs are from when was a Senator.

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I don't know about that one way or another. What I do know is that if Trump had responded like Biden and Pence did, there would be no criminal case. But Trump believes he can do whatever he wants without consequence so he got what was behind door # 3.

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Have you seen the pictures? Supposedly, this is from the Court case made public how Trump was storing classified documents. Don't tell me, Deep State, Fake News right?

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Doc Holliday said:

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This case is warrants everyone paying taxes on the fair market value of their home instead of the tax assessed value.

It's only fair if businesses and homeowners in NY are all subject to the same as Trump.

Let's bankrupt democrats using their own standards!!!

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Property Taxes is based on sale price. If you buy a home, the sales price will be the new property tax level, minus Homestead and other State programs.

Trump could not sell any of those properties for the amounts he listed, nor did he have appraisals based on comps. He didn't even use the real square footage on some. So how is his valuations market value? You think that is fine to use for lending applications?

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Property taxes are based on whatever the CAD sets it at. They never set it at the value one could actually get.

Trump could sell the property for the value he listed easily. A home in Florida 3x smaller than his listed for $295M…

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J.R. said:

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Bank fraud is bank fraud, don't care what state. His level of fraud is just a piece of his make up. Ya, just can't inflate and defeat assets like has always done. It is criminal.

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TDS has decayed your brain. A little surprising to me you see no problem with this. They may come for you next.fir

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firstly TDS is just the most dumb term ever. Secondly, as I mentioned, I used to own a fairly large bank. I know the rules, mister. Thirdly, I play by the rules. I do not and would never overvalue or undervalue assets. He is a ****ing criminal and deserves what he gets. He thinks he makes up the rules. Well, not so you ****ing Queens conman.

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I swear I could hear the theme from Dallas playing in the background as you typed this.

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lol. actually my real intitials are JR. (first and middle) aint made up.

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Good to hear there's at least one thing you haven't made up.

Osodecentx said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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HuMcK said:

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Because they did a due-diligence search when the Trump case started (so did Mike Pence, and he also found some docs) and voluntarily disclosured what they found. Contrast that with Trump ignoring subpoenaes, deliberately hiding docs from authorities when they searched, and ordering his subordinates to destroy evidence.

The difference is pretty obvious to see for anyone eithout their head up Trump's ass.

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Trump had power to declassify.

Biden never did.

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Biden does now. Trump doesn't

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he can pardon himself too.. his alledged crimes happened before he was president. Trumps alledgely happened after he was president.. see the difference or is the angle too obtuse?

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I think POTUS can pardon himself, the language in Constitution seems to be absolute, BUT there is a line of legal reasoning out there that disputes that.

1)Should POTUS have absolute immunity from any prosecution no matter what bad acts he commits? If so, he wouldn't need to pardon himself.
2)Do you believe a POTUS can declassify documents by mere thought? 3)If so, then Biden can do the same thing.

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1- overly vague- rephrase
2-no
3-no, senator Biden and VP Biden cant declassify sh.. He did the alledged crime before he was president. He can only pardon himself as president for his prior crimes.

Doc Holliday said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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This case is warrants everyone paying taxes on the fair market value of their home instead of the tax assessed value.

It's only fair if businesses and homeowners in NY are all subject to the same as Trump.

Let's bankrupt democrats using their own standards!!!

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Property Taxes is based on sale price. If you buy a home, the sales price will be the new property tax level, minus Homestead and other State programs.

Trump could not sell any of those properties for the amounts he listed, nor did he have appraisals based on comps. He didn't even use the real square footage on some. So how is his valuations market value? You think that is fine to use for lending applications?

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Property taxes are based on whatever the CAD sets it at. They never set it at the value one could actually get.

Trump could sell the property for the value he listed easily. A home in Florida 3x smaller than his listed for $295M…

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CAD is just the geographic district, CADs are Texas specific. In Florida here is the information per statute

TRUTH IN MILLAGE (TRIM) NOTICES
Annual Notice of Property Assessment (TRIM Notices) should be received by every property owner no later than the end of August. It shows the estimated "just value" of your property as of January 1.
Just value (market value) as defined by Florida Statute shall take into consideration the following factors:
[ol]

The present cash value.

The highest and best use of the property.

The location of the property.

The quantity or size of said property.

The cost of said property.

The condition of said property.

The income of said property.

The net proceeds of the sale of said property.

[/ol]Our primary mission at the Property Appraiser's Office is to estimate fair and just values for all real and tangible properties in the county. Many factors influence value, and an important one is the amount that similar properties sell for on the open market.

All residences with a homestead exemption are limited to a 3% per year cap on assessment increases. When you purchase a home from someone who has had a "capped" value, the "capped" value will remain in effect only for the year of purchase.

Do not be misled that the current property taxes will remain the same in subsequent years. Under Florida law, a residence must be reassessed at market value when it sells. While you may pay a pro-rated portion of the seller's taxes at closing, the next year's assessment will be at market value. This TRIM notice reflects our estimate of your new market value as of January 1.

It all depends on how diligent the Appraiser is to how recent sales are incorporated in the system. In today not enough funding world it is usually damn quick. In Tampa, when I purchased the next year it was updated and if I didn't get the Homestead Exemption in on time, it would have been higher. But that is Florida.


As for Trump's court case, would Trump agree to using his valuations for his Property Tax? NY State allows for not just Market Price (Price at sale) but Highest and Best use. Usually this is used for the State to generate more taxes, think paying Taxes on Farmland that now is a Shopping Center. I would bet the valuation of his Property Value for those properties will be adjusted closer to his documented value that he used to borrow money. Trump is going to get slammed again, he over valued by so much that they can just use half and rake in a fortune.

So the question for you is do you think it is all right for the State to use the valuations he used to borrow money for Property Value for real property taxes?

Frank Galvin said:

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Whiskey Pete said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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Cobretti said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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Cobretti said:

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HuMcK said:

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"these cases typically arise because there's an aggrieved party to a deal who raises hell in litigation or a whistleblower speaks up to authorities"

The aggrieved whistleblower in this case is Michael Cohen, he laid it all out in sworn congressional testimony. They didn't have to look hard because he told them exactly where to look.

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so in this case we learned about it when the government squeezed trump's "aggrieved" lawyer. why doesn't the government squeeze more developer insiders to catch more bad guys? why is trump so special? i'm just asking questions.

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Because he was President. Should we expect the President, of all people, to be law abiding?

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do we expect the same from joe?

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We should. Biden screwed up. But he gave the docs back when asked. Trump did not.

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Biden should have NEVER had them to begin with as many of those docs are from when was a Senator.

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I don't know about that one way or another. What I do know is that if Trump had responded like Biden and Pence did, there would be no criminal case. But Trump believes he can do whatever he wants without consequence so he got what was behind door # 3.

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You don't about that one way the another, because you don't want to know one way or another. Here ya' go, now you know. You can scroll down to paragraph 7

https://www.politifact.com/article/2023/jan/25/i-have-no-regrets-tracking-the-joe-biden-classifie/

4th and Inches said:

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Osodecentx said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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HuMcK said:

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Because they did a due-diligence search when the Trump case started (so did Mike Pence, and he also found some docs) and voluntarily disclosured what they found. Contrast that with Trump ignoring subpoenaes, deliberately hiding docs from authorities when they searched, and ordering his subordinates to destroy evidence.

The difference is pretty obvious to see for anyone eithout their head up Trump's ass.

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Trump had power to declassify.

Biden never did.

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Biden does now. Trump doesn't

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he can pardon himself too.. his alledged crimes happened before he was president. Trumps alledgely happened after he was president.. see the difference or is the angle too obtuse?

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I think POTUS can pardon himself, the language in Constitution seems to be absolute, BUT there is a line of legal reasoning out there that disputes that.

1)Should POTUS have absolute immunity from any prosecution no matter what bad acts he commits? If so, he wouldn't need to pardon himself.
2)Do you believe a POTUS can declassify documents by mere thought? 3)If so, then Biden can do the same thing.

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1- overly vague- rephrase
2-no
3-no, senator Biden and VP Biden cant declassify sh.. He did the alledged crime before he was president. He can only pardon himself as president for his prior crimes.

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1. I'm trying to reconcile Trump's plea for POTUS absolute immunity with the self pardon possibility. This is a hypothetical because POTUS does not have immunity.
Trump claims POTUS should have absolute immunity from any criminal liability for any acts POTUS may commit. You claim that POTUS can pardon himself. If POTUS is immune for any bad acts, the need for a pardon goes away.

2. I agree with you, but that isn't Trump's position.

3. Assuming Biden can only pardon himself as "as president" (while he is president?), then Biden's alleged crimes were committed before he was president (senator an VP) and he could pardon himself. In the alternative, if Biden is indicted for classified documents he took as a senator an VP, why couldn't he, like Trump, pardon himself?

You tell me that Trump, during his presidency, could pardon himself for crimes committed before he was president. On the question of presidential pardons, how do you distinguish the crimes Biden may have committed from the crimes Trump may have committed?

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"these cases typically arise because there's an aggrieved party to a deal who raises hell in litigation or a whistleblower speaks up to authorities"

The aggrieved whistleblower in this case is Michael Cohen, he laid it all out in sworn congressional testimony. They didn't have to look hard because he told them exactly where to look.

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so in this case we learned about it when the government squeezed trump's "aggrieved" lawyer. why doesn't the government squeeze more developer insiders to catch more bad guys? why is trump so special? i'm just asking questions.

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Because he was President. Should we expect the President, of all people, to be law abiding?

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do we expect the same from joe?

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We should. Biden screwed up. But he gave the docs back when asked. Trump did not.

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Biden should have NEVER had them to begin with as many of those docs are from when was a Senator.

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I don't know about that one way or another. What I do know is that if Trump had responded like Biden and Pence did, there would be no criminal case. But Trump believes he can do whatever he wants without consequence so he got what was behind door # 3.

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Have you seen the pictures? Supposedly, this is from the Court case made public how Trump was storing classified documents. Don't tell me, Deep State, Fake News right?

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you have no idea whats in those boxes.. they found very few classified documents out of the 1000s of papers reviewed

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"these cases typically arise because there's an aggrieved party to a deal who raises hell in litigation or a whistleblower speaks up to authorities"

The aggrieved whistleblower in this case is Michael Cohen, he laid it all out in sworn congressional testimony. They didn't have to look hard because he told them exactly where to look.

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so in this case we learned about it when the government squeezed trump's "aggrieved" lawyer. why doesn't the government squeeze more developer insiders to catch more bad guys? why is trump so special? i'm just asking questions.

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Because he was President. Should we expect the President, of all people, to be law abiding?

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do we expect the same from joe?

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We should. Biden screwed up. But he gave the docs back when asked. Trump did not.

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Biden should have NEVER had them to begin with as many of those docs are from when was a Senator.

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I don't know about that one way or another. What I do know is that if Trump had responded like Biden and Pence did, there would be no criminal case. But Trump believes he can do whatever he wants without consequence so he got what was behind door # 3.

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Have you seen the pictures? Supposedly, this is from the Court case made public how Trump was storing classified documents. Don't tell me, Deep State, Fake News right?

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you have no idea whats in those boxes.. they found very few classified documents out of the 1000s of papers reviewed

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Hopefully, that will come out if they ever let the trial move forward. Sort of hard to combat it if they keep delaying. Just makes it look worse. Only a 102 were found - 17 top secret, 54 secret, and 31 confidential.

So it is really much ado about nothing. Hopefully trial shows that quickely.

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Bank fraud is bank fraud, don't care what state. His level of fraud is just a piece of his make up. Ya, just can't inflate and defeat assets like has always done. It is criminal.

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TDS has decayed your brain. A little surprising to me you see no problem with this. They may come for you next.fir

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firstly TDS is just the most dumb term ever. Secondly, as I mentioned, I used to own a fairly large bank. I know the rules, mister. Thirdly, I play by the rules. I do not and would never overvalue or undervalue assets. He is a ****ing criminal and deserves what he gets. He thinks he makes up the rules. Well, not so you ****ing Queens conman.

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I swear I could hear the theme from Dallas playing in the background as you typed this.

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lol. actually my real intitials are JR. (first and middle) aint made up.

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Good to hear there's at least one thing you haven't made up.

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made up??? feel free to contact me and we can discuss made up....

43 years ago the @nytimes wrote an article reporting a property called Mar-a-Lago was for sale for $20,000,000.

I wonder what it’s worth now.

Probably around $18,000,000. 🤔 pic.twitter.com/DBp1v8Masn

— Patrick Bet-David (@patrickbetdavid) February 22, 2024

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43 years ago the @nytimes wrote an article reporting a property called Mar-a-Lago was for sale for $20,000,000.

I wonder what it’s worth now.

Probably around $18,000,000. 🤔 pic.twitter.com/DBp1v8Masn

— Patrick Bet-David (@patrickbetdavid) February 22, 2024

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Mar a Lago might be worth what Trump claims it is if he hadn't decided to avoid property taxes by making it a conservation and preservation site. Can't sell it as a residence, can't sell it as a development property, and heavy restrictions on the renovations allowed. Trump created the $18 million valuation through the property tax avoidance moves.

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43 years ago the @nytimes wrote an article reporting a property called Mar-a-Lago was for sale for $20,000,000.

I wonder what it’s worth now.

Probably around $18,000,000. 🤔 pic.twitter.com/DBp1v8Masn

— Patrick Bet-David (@patrickbetdavid) February 22, 2024

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Mar a Lago might be worth what Trump claims it is if he hadn't decided to avoid property taxes by making it a conservation and preservation site. Can't sell it as a residence, can't sell it as a development property, and heavy restrictions on the renovations allowed. Trump created the $18 million valuation through the property tax avoidance moves.

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Trump keeps playing all sides and expecting everyone to just ignore it. For tax purposes he made it conservation/preservation site and a social club, which in FL has massive restrictions. He did that it when he was in financial distress, funny since running for President he is flush. The issue with what Trump did is that he listed it as an unrestricted residential plot, which could be sold and redeveloped. It clearly is not, that is the basis of the fraud case for Mar a Lago. He did not value it as a social club, which is how Palm Beach County values it for tax purposes.

He has multiple others that are all over the place, some he just outright lied about the size.

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43 years ago the @nytimes wrote an article reporting a property called Mar-a-Lago was for sale for $20,000,000.

I wonder what it’s worth now.

Probably around $18,000,000. 🤔 pic.twitter.com/DBp1v8Masn

— Patrick Bet-David (@patrickbetdavid) February 22, 2024

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Mar a Lago might be worth what Trump claims it is if he hadn't decided to avoid property taxes by making it a conservation and preservation site. Can't sell it as a residence, can't sell it as a development property, and heavy restrictions on the renovations allowed. Trump created the $18 million valuation through the property tax avoidance moves.

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Trump keeps playing all sides and expecting everyone to just ignore it. For tax purposes he made it conservation/preservation site and a social club, which in FL has massive restrictions. He did that it when he was in financial distress, funny since running for President he is flush. The issue with what Trump did is that he listed it as an unrestricted residential plot, which could be sold and redeveloped. It clearly is not, that is the basis of the fraud case for Mar a Lago. He did not value it as a social club, which is how Palm Beach County values it for tax purposes.

He has multiple others that are all over the place, some he just outright lied about the size.

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But suppose Trump had defaulted on the loan, and the banks seize the property. Would the banks be required to keep it's designation as a conservation and preservation site, or can they change it and sell it as a residence at fair market value? If that's the case, then for the purpose of collateral, it would be fair for Trump to list it as such, because that would be it's potential value for the bank.

Anyone here know whether this is the case or not with seized property? Please enlighten us.