Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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But Lefties burning down buildings in Seattle, Minneapolis, etc., that's OK because Trump was not involved ...

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Do you want the Feds going in to those States and arrest them? You want the Fed to have that much power where if they don't agree with the State handling of a crime, the Feds can come in and retry it?


You do know those are State actions, not Federal? To put it in a framework you would understand...


Ok, it is the difference between what Jack Smith is doing and what Georgia is doing to screw Trump. Now that Trump has the Atlanta DA on the ropes, using your logic, Jack Smith would be able to come in and say "We don't think they did a good enough job", so let's do it again. Federal Jurisdiction and State Jurisdiction. I want them to stay separate.


Now, let's talk about the Lefties not being brought up on ANY Federal charges. Why??? Had to be against Trump, only it happened on his watch. TRUMP's DOJ did not prosecute the rioters OR Hillary. TRUMP did not send in Feds to take control and let the lefties riot. But, isn't Trump great?

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8 months of murder, riots and looting, destruction of FEDERAL BUILDINGS and private property is not something the FEDERAL government should stop?

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I agree. I thought Hillary should have been prosecuted. Why didn't Trump do something??? Why did he stay out? He could have ordered DOJ to investigate for Civil Rights abuses. He could have prosecuted for destruction of Federal Property.

What was done??? Some times there is stuff done, we just don't hear about it. The MAGA people scream about it enough, I assume no one was prosecuted and only the Jan 6th people. If nothing was done, why not?

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That's cute. The same doj that has been weaponized against Trump would have listened to his every command, right? Just like Milley, the FBI and the CIA, right? How do you breathe in the vacuum you live in?

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So you are backing an ineffective Presidential Candidate? Biden is able to control all these Govt agencies, yet Trump couldn't? Which is it? Is the President controlling his DOJ and the agencies or not?

Because if not, sort of shoots holes in the Biden is weaponizing the DOJ. Trump couldn't even get the DOJ to prosecute rioters that destroyed Federal Buildings?

For Biden, he is masterminding the weaponization of Govt.

For Trump, the President can't do that.

Which is it?

FLBear5630 said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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But Lefties burning down buildings in Seattle, Minneapolis, etc., that's OK because Trump was not involved ...

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Do you want the Feds going in to those States and arrest them? You want the Fed to have that much power where if they don't agree with the State handling of a crime, the Feds can come in and retry it?


You do know those are State actions, not Federal? To put it in a framework you would understand...


Ok, it is the difference between what Jack Smith is doing and what Georgia is doing to screw Trump. Now that Trump has the Atlanta DA on the ropes, using your logic, Jack Smith would be able to come in and say "We don't think they did a good enough job", so let's do it again. Federal Jurisdiction and State Jurisdiction. I want them to stay separate.


Now, let's talk about the Lefties not being brought up on ANY Federal charges. Why??? Had to be against Trump, only it happened on his watch. TRUMP's DOJ did not prosecute the rioters OR Hillary. TRUMP did not send in Feds to take control and let the lefties riot. But, isn't Trump great?

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8 months of murder, riots and looting, destruction of FEDERAL BUILDINGS and private property is not something the FEDERAL government should stop?

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I agree. I thought Hillary should have been prosecuted. Why didn't Trump do something??? Why did he stay out? He could have ordered DOJ to investigate for Civil Rights abuses. He could have prosecuted for destruction of Federal Property.

What was done??? Some times there is stuff done, we just don't hear about it. The MAGA people scream about it enough, I assume no one was prosecuted and only the Jan 6th people. If nothing was done, why not?

---

That's cute. The same doj that has been weaponized against Trump would have listened to his every command, right? Just like Milley, the FBI and the CIA, right? How do you breathe in the vacuum you live in?

---

So you are backing an ineffective Presidential Candidate? Biden is able to control all these Govt agencies, yet Trump couldn't? Which is it? Is the President controlling his DOJ and the agencies or not?

Because if not, sort of shoots holes in the Biden is weaponizing the DOJ. Trump couldn't even get the DOJ to prosecute rioters that destroyed Federal Buildings?

For Biden, he is masterminding the weaponization of Govt.

For Trump, the President can't do that.

Which is it?

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Really? THAT is your take away after all the conversations you have had listening to people complain about how the DOJ, FBI, CIA and many in the justice system refuse to go after democrats for their crimes? Wow. No wonder you're a democrat.

Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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But Lefties burning down buildings in Seattle, Minneapolis, etc., that's OK because Trump was not involved ...

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Do you want the Feds going in to those States and arrest them? You want the Fed to have that much power where if they don't agree with the State handling of a crime, the Feds can come in and retry it?


You do know those are State actions, not Federal? To put it in a framework you would understand...


Ok, it is the difference between what Jack Smith is doing and what Georgia is doing to screw Trump. Now that Trump has the Atlanta DA on the ropes, using your logic, Jack Smith would be able to come in and say "We don't think they did a good enough job", so let's do it again. Federal Jurisdiction and State Jurisdiction. I want them to stay separate.


Now, let's talk about the Lefties not being brought up on ANY Federal charges. Why??? Had to be against Trump, only it happened on his watch. TRUMP's DOJ did not prosecute the rioters OR Hillary. TRUMP did not send in Feds to take control and let the lefties riot. But, isn't Trump great?

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8 months of murder, riots and looting, destruction of FEDERAL BUILDINGS and private property is not something the FEDERAL government should stop?

---

I agree. I thought Hillary should have been prosecuted. Why didn't Trump do something??? Why did he stay out? He could have ordered DOJ to investigate for Civil Rights abuses. He could have prosecuted for destruction of Federal Property.

What was done??? Some times there is stuff done, we just don't hear about it. The MAGA people scream about it enough, I assume no one was prosecuted and only the Jan 6th people. If nothing was done, why not?

---

That's cute. The same doj that has been weaponized against Trump would have listened to his every command, right? Just like Milley, the FBI and the CIA, right? How do you breathe in the vacuum you live in?

---

So you are backing an ineffective Presidential Candidate? Biden is able to control all these Govt agencies, yet Trump couldn't? Which is it? Is the President controlling his DOJ and the agencies or not?

Because if not, sort of shoots holes in the Biden is weaponizing the DOJ. Trump couldn't even get the DOJ to prosecute rioters that destroyed Federal Buildings?

For Biden, he is masterminding the weaponization of Govt.

For Trump, the President can't do that.

Which is it?

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Really? THAT is your take away after all the conversations you have had listening to people complain about how the DOJ, FBI, CIA and many in the justice system refuse to go after democrats for their crimes? Wow. No wonder you're a democrat.

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I am confused why you would so emphatically support someone that you admit can't control the Agencies of the Executive Branch. You complain how no action was taken, yet he was the Boss. The Buck stopped with him and he couldn't control or even direct it. Yet, he is the best option for the US????

I have never voted Dem in my life. But, with guys like you explaining how things work, the take away is the Dems at least are in control! The GOP can't get out of its own way and are supporting a guy that can't even control or trust his own DOJ! Real confidence booster...

Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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But Lefties burning down buildings in Seattle, Minneapolis, etc., that's OK because Trump was not involved ...

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Do you want the Feds going in to those States and arrest them? You want the Fed to have that much power where if they don't agree with the State handling of a crime, the Feds can come in and retry it?


You do know those are State actions, not Federal? To put it in a framework you would understand...


Ok, it is the difference between what Jack Smith is doing and what Georgia is doing to screw Trump. Now that Trump has the Atlanta DA on the ropes, using your logic, Jack Smith would be able to come in and say "We don't think they did a good enough job", so let's do it again. Federal Jurisdiction and State Jurisdiction. I want them to stay separate.


Now, let's talk about the Lefties not being brought up on ANY Federal charges. Why??? Had to be against Trump, only it happened on his watch. TRUMP's DOJ did not prosecute the rioters OR Hillary. TRUMP did not send in Feds to take control and let the lefties riot. But, isn't Trump great?

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8 months of murder, riots and looting, destruction of FEDERAL BUILDINGS and private property is not something the FEDERAL government should stop?

---

I agree. I thought Hillary should have been prosecuted. Why didn't Trump do something??? Why did he stay out? He could have ordered DOJ to investigate for Civil Rights abuses. He could have prosecuted for destruction of Federal Property.

What was done??? Some times there is stuff done, we just don't hear about it. The MAGA people scream about it enough, I assume no one was prosecuted and only the Jan 6th people. If nothing was done, why not?

---

That's cute. The same doj that has been weaponized against Trump would have listened to his every command, right? Just like Milley, the FBI and the CIA, right? How do you breathe in the vacuum you live in?

---

So you are backing an ineffective Presidential Candidate? Biden is able to control all these Govt agencies, yet Trump couldn't? Which is it? Is the President controlling his DOJ and the agencies or not?

Because if not, sort of shoots holes in the Biden is weaponizing the DOJ. Trump couldn't even get the DOJ to prosecute rioters that destroyed Federal Buildings?

For Biden, he is masterminding the weaponization of Govt.

For Trump, the President can't do that.

Which is it?

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Really? THAT is your take away after all the conversations you have had listening to people complain about how the DOJ, FBI, CIA and many in the justice system refuse to go after democrats for their crimes? Wow. No wonder you're a democrat.

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He's has one of the worst cases of TDS I've seen on this board. And that's saying something considering people like Humck troll here.

Whiskey Pete said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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But Lefties burning down buildings in Seattle, Minneapolis, etc., that's OK because Trump was not involved ...

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Do you want the Feds going in to those States and arrest them? You want the Fed to have that much power where if they don't agree with the State handling of a crime, the Feds can come in and retry it?


You do know those are State actions, not Federal? To put it in a framework you would understand...


Ok, it is the difference between what Jack Smith is doing and what Georgia is doing to screw Trump. Now that Trump has the Atlanta DA on the ropes, using your logic, Jack Smith would be able to come in and say "We don't think they did a good enough job", so let's do it again. Federal Jurisdiction and State Jurisdiction. I want them to stay separate.


Now, let's talk about the Lefties not being brought up on ANY Federal charges. Why??? Had to be against Trump, only it happened on his watch. TRUMP's DOJ did not prosecute the rioters OR Hillary. TRUMP did not send in Feds to take control and let the lefties riot. But, isn't Trump great?

---

8 months of murder, riots and looting, destruction of FEDERAL BUILDINGS and private property is not something the FEDERAL government should stop?

---

I agree. I thought Hillary should have been prosecuted. Why didn't Trump do something??? Why did he stay out? He could have ordered DOJ to investigate for Civil Rights abuses. He could have prosecuted for destruction of Federal Property.

What was done??? Some times there is stuff done, we just don't hear about it. The MAGA people scream about it enough, I assume no one was prosecuted and only the Jan 6th people. If nothing was done, why not?

---

That's cute. The same doj that has been weaponized against Trump would have listened to his every command, right? Just like Milley, the FBI and the CIA, right? How do you breathe in the vacuum you live in?

---

So you are backing an ineffective Presidential Candidate? Biden is able to control all these Govt agencies, yet Trump couldn't? Which is it? Is the President controlling his DOJ and the agencies or not?

Because if not, sort of shoots holes in the Biden is weaponizing the DOJ. Trump couldn't even get the DOJ to prosecute rioters that destroyed Federal Buildings?

For Biden, he is masterminding the weaponization of Govt.

For Trump, the President can't do that.

Which is it?

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Really? THAT is your take away after all the conversations you have had listening to people complain about how the DOJ, FBI, CIA and many in the justice system refuse to go after democrats for their crimes? Wow. No wonder you're a democrat.

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He's has one of the worst cases of TDS I've seen on this board. And that's saying something considering people like Humck troll here.

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He is literally saying we should vote for a member of the swamp because the swamp likes him.

FLBear5630 said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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But Lefties burning down buildings in Seattle, Minneapolis, etc., that's OK because Trump was not involved ...

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Do you want the Feds going in to those States and arrest them? You want the Fed to have that much power where if they don't agree with the State handling of a crime, the Feds can come in and retry it?


You do know those are State actions, not Federal? To put it in a framework you would understand...


Ok, it is the difference between what Jack Smith is doing and what Georgia is doing to screw Trump. Now that Trump has the Atlanta DA on the ropes, using your logic, Jack Smith would be able to come in and say "We don't think they did a good enough job", so let's do it again. Federal Jurisdiction and State Jurisdiction. I want them to stay separate.


Now, let's talk about the Lefties not being brought up on ANY Federal charges. Why??? Had to be against Trump, only it happened on his watch. TRUMP's DOJ did not prosecute the rioters OR Hillary. TRUMP did not send in Feds to take control and let the lefties riot. But, isn't Trump great?

---

8 months of murder, riots and looting, destruction of FEDERAL BUILDINGS and private property is not something the FEDERAL government should stop?

---

I agree. I thought Hillary should have been prosecuted. Why didn't Trump do something??? Why did he stay out? He could have ordered DOJ to investigate for Civil Rights abuses. He could have prosecuted for destruction of Federal Property.

What was done??? Some times there is stuff done, we just don't hear about it. The MAGA people scream about it enough, I assume no one was prosecuted and only the Jan 6th people. If nothing was done, why not?

---

That's cute. The same doj that has been weaponized against Trump would have listened to his every command, right? Just like Milley, the FBI and the CIA, right? How do you breathe in the vacuum you live in?

---

So you are backing an ineffective Presidential Candidate? Biden is able to control all these Govt agencies, yet Trump couldn't? Which is it? Is the President controlling his DOJ and the agencies or not?

Because if not, sort of shoots holes in the Biden is weaponizing the DOJ. Trump couldn't even get the DOJ to prosecute rioters that destroyed Federal Buildings?

For Biden, he is masterminding the weaponization of Govt.

For Trump, the President can't do that.

Which is it?

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Really? THAT is your take away after all the conversations you have had listening to people complain about how the DOJ, FBI, CIA and many in the justice system refuse to go after democrats for their crimes? Wow. No wonder you're a democrat.

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I am confused why you would so emphatically support someone that you admit can't control the Agencies of the Executive Branch. You complain how no action was taken, yet he was the Boss. The Buck stopped with him and he couldn't control or even direct it. Yet, he is the best option for the US????

I have never voted Dem in my life. But, with guys like you explaining how things work, the take away is the Dems at least are in control! The GOP can't get out of its own way and are supporting a guy that can't even control or trust his own DOJ! Real confidence booster...

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How incredibly stupid. "You should vote for the guy that's corrupt cuz the other corrupt people don't hate that guy!"

Whiskey Pete said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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But Lefties burning down buildings in Seattle, Minneapolis, etc., that's OK because Trump was not involved ...

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Do you want the Feds going in to those States and arrest them? You want the Fed to have that much power where if they don't agree with the State handling of a crime, the Feds can come in and retry it?


You do know those are State actions, not Federal? To put it in a framework you would understand...


Ok, it is the difference between what Jack Smith is doing and what Georgia is doing to screw Trump. Now that Trump has the Atlanta DA on the ropes, using your logic, Jack Smith would be able to come in and say "We don't think they did a good enough job", so let's do it again. Federal Jurisdiction and State Jurisdiction. I want them to stay separate.


Now, let's talk about the Lefties not being brought up on ANY Federal charges. Why??? Had to be against Trump, only it happened on his watch. TRUMP's DOJ did not prosecute the rioters OR Hillary. TRUMP did not send in Feds to take control and let the lefties riot. But, isn't Trump great?

---

8 months of murder, riots and looting, destruction of FEDERAL BUILDINGS and private property is not something the FEDERAL government should stop?

---

I agree. I thought Hillary should have been prosecuted. Why didn't Trump do something??? Why did he stay out? He could have ordered DOJ to investigate for Civil Rights abuses. He could have prosecuted for destruction of Federal Property.

What was done??? Some times there is stuff done, we just don't hear about it. The MAGA people scream about it enough, I assume no one was prosecuted and only the Jan 6th people. If nothing was done, why not?

---

That's cute. The same doj that has been weaponized against Trump would have listened to his every command, right? Just like Milley, the FBI and the CIA, right? How do you breathe in the vacuum you live in?

---

So you are backing an ineffective Presidential Candidate? Biden is able to control all these Govt agencies, yet Trump couldn't? Which is it? Is the President controlling his DOJ and the agencies or not?

Because if not, sort of shoots holes in the Biden is weaponizing the DOJ. Trump couldn't even get the DOJ to prosecute rioters that destroyed Federal Buildings?

For Biden, he is masterminding the weaponization of Govt.

For Trump, the President can't do that.

Which is it?

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Really? THAT is your take away after all the conversations you have had listening to people complain about how the DOJ, FBI, CIA and many in the justice system refuse to go after democrats for their crimes? Wow. No wonder you're a democrat.

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He's has one of the worst cases of TDS I've seen on this board. And that's saying something considering people like Humck troll here.

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TDS? Funny. You guys are so up Trump's ass you can't see anything but Orange.

You are complaining how Dementia Joe is weaponizing the DOJ to attack Donald. An Agency that Donald couldn't even get to prosecute rioters that attacked Federal facilities or Hillary. That you guys admit he had no control over.

Your Alpha-male candidate is getting his ass handed to him by Dementia Joe's DOJ, that does listen to him. The guy has 4 court cases and 91 counts against him by a guy that can't walk up stairs. Yet, Donald couldn't even have a phone call with Ukraine without being impeached. Just don't get the Donald love...

FLBear5630 said:

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Whiskey Pete said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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But Lefties burning down buildings in Seattle, Minneapolis, etc., that's OK because Trump was not involved ...

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Do you want the Feds going in to those States and arrest them? You want the Fed to have that much power where if they don't agree with the State handling of a crime, the Feds can come in and retry it?


You do know those are State actions, not Federal? To put it in a framework you would understand...


Ok, it is the difference between what Jack Smith is doing and what Georgia is doing to screw Trump. Now that Trump has the Atlanta DA on the ropes, using your logic, Jack Smith would be able to come in and say "We don't think they did a good enough job", so let's do it again. Federal Jurisdiction and State Jurisdiction. I want them to stay separate.


Now, let's talk about the Lefties not being brought up on ANY Federal charges. Why??? Had to be against Trump, only it happened on his watch. TRUMP's DOJ did not prosecute the rioters OR Hillary. TRUMP did not send in Feds to take control and let the lefties riot. But, isn't Trump great?

---

8 months of murder, riots and looting, destruction of FEDERAL BUILDINGS and private property is not something the FEDERAL government should stop?

---

I agree. I thought Hillary should have been prosecuted. Why didn't Trump do something??? Why did he stay out? He could have ordered DOJ to investigate for Civil Rights abuses. He could have prosecuted for destruction of Federal Property.

What was done??? Some times there is stuff done, we just don't hear about it. The MAGA people scream about it enough, I assume no one was prosecuted and only the Jan 6th people. If nothing was done, why not?

---

That's cute. The same doj that has been weaponized against Trump would have listened to his every command, right? Just like Milley, the FBI and the CIA, right? How do you breathe in the vacuum you live in?

---

So you are backing an ineffective Presidential Candidate? Biden is able to control all these Govt agencies, yet Trump couldn't? Which is it? Is the President controlling his DOJ and the agencies or not?

Because if not, sort of shoots holes in the Biden is weaponizing the DOJ. Trump couldn't even get the DOJ to prosecute rioters that destroyed Federal Buildings?

For Biden, he is masterminding the weaponization of Govt.

For Trump, the President can't do that.

Which is it?

---

Really? THAT is your take away after all the conversations you have had listening to people complain about how the DOJ, FBI, CIA and many in the justice system refuse to go after democrats for their crimes? Wow. No wonder you're a democrat.

---

He's has one of the worst cases of TDS I've seen on this board. And that's saying something considering people like Humck troll here.

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TDS? Funny. You guys are so up Trump's ass you can't see anything but Orange.

You are complaining how Dementia Joe is weaponizing the DOJ to attack Donald. An Agency that Donald couldn't even get to prosecute rioters that attacked Federal facilities or Hillary. That you guys admit he had no control over.

Your Alpha-male candidate is getting his ass handed to him by Dementia Joe's DOJ, that does listen to him. The guy has 4 court cases and 91 counts against him by a guy that can't walk up stairs. Yet, Donald couldn't even have a phone call with Ukraine without being impeached. Just don't get the Donald love...

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By your brilliant reasoning we should elect Hunter Biden to office since he seems to be able to get Joe Biden to do things he desires Joe to do.

Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Whiskey Pete said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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But Lefties burning down buildings in Seattle, Minneapolis, etc., that's OK because Trump was not involved ...

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Do you want the Feds going in to those States and arrest them? You want the Fed to have that much power where if they don't agree with the State handling of a crime, the Feds can come in and retry it?


You do know those are State actions, not Federal? To put it in a framework you would understand...


Ok, it is the difference between what Jack Smith is doing and what Georgia is doing to screw Trump. Now that Trump has the Atlanta DA on the ropes, using your logic, Jack Smith would be able to come in and say "We don't think they did a good enough job", so let's do it again. Federal Jurisdiction and State Jurisdiction. I want them to stay separate.


Now, let's talk about the Lefties not being brought up on ANY Federal charges. Why??? Had to be against Trump, only it happened on his watch. TRUMP's DOJ did not prosecute the rioters OR Hillary. TRUMP did not send in Feds to take control and let the lefties riot. But, isn't Trump great?

---

8 months of murder, riots and looting, destruction of FEDERAL BUILDINGS and private property is not something the FEDERAL government should stop?

---

I agree. I thought Hillary should have been prosecuted. Why didn't Trump do something??? Why did he stay out? He could have ordered DOJ to investigate for Civil Rights abuses. He could have prosecuted for destruction of Federal Property.

What was done??? Some times there is stuff done, we just don't hear about it. The MAGA people scream about it enough, I assume no one was prosecuted and only the Jan 6th people. If nothing was done, why not?

---

That's cute. The same doj that has been weaponized against Trump would have listened to his every command, right? Just like Milley, the FBI and the CIA, right? How do you breathe in the vacuum you live in?

---

So you are backing an ineffective Presidential Candidate? Biden is able to control all these Govt agencies, yet Trump couldn't? Which is it? Is the President controlling his DOJ and the agencies or not?

Because if not, sort of shoots holes in the Biden is weaponizing the DOJ. Trump couldn't even get the DOJ to prosecute rioters that destroyed Federal Buildings?

For Biden, he is masterminding the weaponization of Govt.

For Trump, the President can't do that.

Which is it?

---

Really? THAT is your take away after all the conversations you have had listening to people complain about how the DOJ, FBI, CIA and many in the justice system refuse to go after democrats for their crimes? Wow. No wonder you're a democrat.

---

He's has one of the worst cases of TDS I've seen on this board. And that's saying something considering people like Humck troll here.

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TDS? Funny. You guys are so up Trump's ass you can't see anything but Orange.

You are complaining how Dementia Joe is weaponizing the DOJ to attack Donald. An Agency that Donald couldn't even get to prosecute rioters that attacked Federal facilities or Hillary. That you guys admit he had no control over.

Your Alpha-male candidate is getting his ass handed to him by Dementia Joe's DOJ, that does listen to him. The guy has 4 court cases and 91 counts against him by a guy that can't walk up stairs. Yet, Donald couldn't even have a phone call with Ukraine without being impeached. Just don't get the Donald love...

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By your brilliant reasoning we should elect Hunter Biden to office since he seems to be able to get Joe Biden to do things he desires Joe to do.

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No, elect somebody that can at least control their own Cabinet.

FLBear5630 said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Whiskey Pete said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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But Lefties burning down buildings in Seattle, Minneapolis, etc., that's OK because Trump was not involved ...

---

Do you want the Feds going in to those States and arrest them? You want the Fed to have that much power where if they don't agree with the State handling of a crime, the Feds can come in and retry it?


You do know those are State actions, not Federal? To put it in a framework you would understand...


Ok, it is the difference between what Jack Smith is doing and what Georgia is doing to screw Trump. Now that Trump has the Atlanta DA on the ropes, using your logic, Jack Smith would be able to come in and say "We don't think they did a good enough job", so let's do it again. Federal Jurisdiction and State Jurisdiction. I want them to stay separate.


Now, let's talk about the Lefties not being brought up on ANY Federal charges. Why??? Had to be against Trump, only it happened on his watch. TRUMP's DOJ did not prosecute the rioters OR Hillary. TRUMP did not send in Feds to take control and let the lefties riot. But, isn't Trump great?

---

8 months of murder, riots and looting, destruction of FEDERAL BUILDINGS and private property is not something the FEDERAL government should stop?

---

I agree. I thought Hillary should have been prosecuted. Why didn't Trump do something??? Why did he stay out? He could have ordered DOJ to investigate for Civil Rights abuses. He could have prosecuted for destruction of Federal Property.

What was done??? Some times there is stuff done, we just don't hear about it. The MAGA people scream about it enough, I assume no one was prosecuted and only the Jan 6th people. If nothing was done, why not?

---

That's cute. The same doj that has been weaponized against Trump would have listened to his every command, right? Just like Milley, the FBI and the CIA, right? How do you breathe in the vacuum you live in?

---

So you are backing an ineffective Presidential Candidate? Biden is able to control all these Govt agencies, yet Trump couldn't? Which is it? Is the President controlling his DOJ and the agencies or not?

Because if not, sort of shoots holes in the Biden is weaponizing the DOJ. Trump couldn't even get the DOJ to prosecute rioters that destroyed Federal Buildings?

For Biden, he is masterminding the weaponization of Govt.

For Trump, the President can't do that.

Which is it?

---

Really? THAT is your take away after all the conversations you have had listening to people complain about how the DOJ, FBI, CIA and many in the justice system refuse to go after democrats for their crimes? Wow. No wonder you're a democrat.

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He's has one of the worst cases of TDS I've seen on this board. And that's saying something considering people like Humck troll here.

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TDS? Funny. You guys are so up Trump's ass you can't see anything but Orange.

You are complaining how Dementia Joe is weaponizing the DOJ to attack Donald. An Agency that Donald couldn't even get to prosecute rioters that attacked Federal facilities or Hillary. That you guys admit he had no control over.

Your Alpha-male candidate is getting his ass handed to him by Dementia Joe's DOJ, that does listen to him. The guy has 4 court cases and 91 counts against him by a guy that can't walk up stairs. Yet, Donald couldn't even have a phone call with Ukraine without being impeached. Just don't get the Donald love...

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By your brilliant reasoning we should elect Hunter Biden to office since he seems to be able to get Joe Biden to do things he desires Joe to do.

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No, elect somebody that can at least control their own Cabinet.

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But you said they also have to control the FBI, the CIA, the DOJ and the local DAs in blue cities. Don't move the goalposts now.

Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Whiskey Pete said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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But Lefties burning down buildings in Seattle, Minneapolis, etc., that's OK because Trump was not involved ...

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Do you want the Feds going in to those States and arrest them? You want the Fed to have that much power where if they don't agree with the State handling of a crime, the Feds can come in and retry it?


You do know those are State actions, not Federal? To put it in a framework you would understand...


Ok, it is the difference between what Jack Smith is doing and what Georgia is doing to screw Trump. Now that Trump has the Atlanta DA on the ropes, using your logic, Jack Smith would be able to come in and say "We don't think they did a good enough job", so let's do it again. Federal Jurisdiction and State Jurisdiction. I want them to stay separate.


Now, let's talk about the Lefties not being brought up on ANY Federal charges. Why??? Had to be against Trump, only it happened on his watch. TRUMP's DOJ did not prosecute the rioters OR Hillary. TRUMP did not send in Feds to take control and let the lefties riot. But, isn't Trump great?

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8 months of murder, riots and looting, destruction of FEDERAL BUILDINGS and private property is not something the FEDERAL government should stop?

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I agree. I thought Hillary should have been prosecuted. Why didn't Trump do something??? Why did he stay out? He could have ordered DOJ to investigate for Civil Rights abuses. He could have prosecuted for destruction of Federal Property.

What was done??? Some times there is stuff done, we just don't hear about it. The MAGA people scream about it enough, I assume no one was prosecuted and only the Jan 6th people. If nothing was done, why not?

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That's cute. The same doj that has been weaponized against Trump would have listened to his every command, right? Just like Milley, the FBI and the CIA, right? How do you breathe in the vacuum you live in?

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So you are backing an ineffective Presidential Candidate? Biden is able to control all these Govt agencies, yet Trump couldn't? Which is it? Is the President controlling his DOJ and the agencies or not?

Because if not, sort of shoots holes in the Biden is weaponizing the DOJ. Trump couldn't even get the DOJ to prosecute rioters that destroyed Federal Buildings?

For Biden, he is masterminding the weaponization of Govt.

For Trump, the President can't do that.

Which is it?

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Really? THAT is your take away after all the conversations you have had listening to people complain about how the DOJ, FBI, CIA and many in the justice system refuse to go after democrats for their crimes? Wow. No wonder you're a democrat.

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He's has one of the worst cases of TDS I've seen on this board. And that's saying something considering people like Humck troll here.

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TDS? Funny. You guys are so up Trump's ass you can't see anything but Orange.

You are complaining how Dementia Joe is weaponizing the DOJ to attack Donald. An Agency that Donald couldn't even get to prosecute rioters that attacked Federal facilities or Hillary. That you guys admit he had no control over.

Your Alpha-male candidate is getting his ass handed to him by Dementia Joe's DOJ, that does listen to him. The guy has 4 court cases and 91 counts against him by a guy that can't walk up stairs. Yet, Donald couldn't even have a phone call with Ukraine without being impeached. Just don't get the Donald love...

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By your brilliant reasoning we should elect Hunter Biden to office since he seems to be able to get Joe Biden to do things he desires Joe to do.

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No, elect somebody that can at least control their own Cabinet.

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But you said they also have to control the FBI, the CIA, the DOJ and the local DAs in blue cities. Don't move the goalposts now.

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Isn't that what big bad Dementia Joe doing to poor Donald? I think the term you use is weaponizing? Not only that Dementia Joe is directing NY and GA to bring charges against poor Donald? Sounds pretty powerful.

Yet when asked about Donald controlling DOJ, we will just stick with DOJ nevermind other states, he had no control and was attacked by his own DOJ. Stark difference to all powerful Dementia Joe.

FLBear5630 said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Whiskey Pete said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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But Lefties burning down buildings in Seattle, Minneapolis, etc., that's OK because Trump was not involved ...

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Do you want the Feds going in to those States and arrest them? You want the Fed to have that much power where if they don't agree with the State handling of a crime, the Feds can come in and retry it?


You do know those are State actions, not Federal? To put it in a framework you would understand...


Ok, it is the difference between what Jack Smith is doing and what Georgia is doing to screw Trump. Now that Trump has the Atlanta DA on the ropes, using your logic, Jack Smith would be able to come in and say "We don't think they did a good enough job", so let's do it again. Federal Jurisdiction and State Jurisdiction. I want them to stay separate.


Now, let's talk about the Lefties not being brought up on ANY Federal charges. Why??? Had to be against Trump, only it happened on his watch. TRUMP's DOJ did not prosecute the rioters OR Hillary. TRUMP did not send in Feds to take control and let the lefties riot. But, isn't Trump great?

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8 months of murder, riots and looting, destruction of FEDERAL BUILDINGS and private property is not something the FEDERAL government should stop?

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I agree. I thought Hillary should have been prosecuted. Why didn't Trump do something??? Why did he stay out? He could have ordered DOJ to investigate for Civil Rights abuses. He could have prosecuted for destruction of Federal Property.

What was done??? Some times there is stuff done, we just don't hear about it. The MAGA people scream about it enough, I assume no one was prosecuted and only the Jan 6th people. If nothing was done, why not?

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That's cute. The same doj that has been weaponized against Trump would have listened to his every command, right? Just like Milley, the FBI and the CIA, right? How do you breathe in the vacuum you live in?

---

So you are backing an ineffective Presidential Candidate? Biden is able to control all these Govt agencies, yet Trump couldn't? Which is it? Is the President controlling his DOJ and the agencies or not?

Because if not, sort of shoots holes in the Biden is weaponizing the DOJ. Trump couldn't even get the DOJ to prosecute rioters that destroyed Federal Buildings?

For Biden, he is masterminding the weaponization of Govt.

For Trump, the President can't do that.

Which is it?

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Really? THAT is your take away after all the conversations you have had listening to people complain about how the DOJ, FBI, CIA and many in the justice system refuse to go after democrats for their crimes? Wow. No wonder you're a democrat.

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He's has one of the worst cases of TDS I've seen on this board. And that's saying something considering people like Humck troll here.

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TDS? Funny. You guys are so up Trump's ass you can't see anything but Orange.

You are complaining how Dementia Joe is weaponizing the DOJ to attack Donald. An Agency that Donald couldn't even get to prosecute rioters that attacked Federal facilities or Hillary. That you guys admit he had no control over.

Your Alpha-male candidate is getting his ass handed to him by Dementia Joe's DOJ, that does listen to him. The guy has 4 court cases and 91 counts against him by a guy that can't walk up stairs. Yet, Donald couldn't even have a phone call with Ukraine without being impeached. Just don't get the Donald love...

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By your brilliant reasoning we should elect Hunter Biden to office since he seems to be able to get Joe Biden to do things he desires Joe to do.

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No, elect somebody that can at least control their own Cabinet.

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But you said they also have to control the FBI, the CIA, the DOJ and the local DAs in blue cities. Don't move the goalposts now.

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Isn't that what big bad Dementia Joe doing to poor Donald? I think the term you use is weaponizing? Not only that Dementia Joe is directing NY and GA to bring charges against poor Donald? Sounds pretty powerful.

Yet when asked about Donald controlling DOJ, we will just stick with DOJ nevermind other states, he had no control and was attacked by his own DOJ. Stark difference to all powerful Dementia Joe.

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It's almost as though the people controlling Joe are the same folks running the DOJ, FBI, CIA and other Soros funded DAs, huh? Nah, that must be another coincidence m, huh? Nice how "coincidence" fills in all the gaps in your narrative, every time.

FLBear5630 said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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But Lefties burning down buildings in Seattle, Minneapolis, etc., that's OK because Trump was not involved ...

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Do you want the Feds going in to those States and arrest them? You want the Fed to have that much power where if they don't agree with the State handling of a crime, the Feds can come in and retry it?


You do know those are State actions, not Federal? To put it in a framework you would understand...


Ok, it is the difference between what Jack Smith is doing and what Georgia is doing to screw Trump. Now that Trump has the Atlanta DA on the ropes, using your logic, Jack Smith would be able to come in and say "We don't think they did a good enough job", so let's do it again. Federal Jurisdiction and State Jurisdiction. I want them to stay separate.


Now, let's talk about the Lefties not being brought up on ANY Federal charges. Why??? Had to be against Trump, only it happened on his watch. TRUMP's DOJ did not prosecute the rioters OR Hillary. TRUMP did not send in Feds to take control and let the lefties riot. But, isn't Trump great?

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8 months of murder, riots and looting, destruction of FEDERAL BUILDINGS and private property is not something the FEDERAL government should stop?

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I agree. I thought Hillary should have been prosecuted. Why didn't Trump do something??? Why did he stay out? He could have ordered DOJ to investigate for Civil Rights abuses. He could have prosecuted for destruction of Federal Property.

What was done??? Some times there is stuff done, we just don't hear about it. The MAGA people scream about it enough, I assume no one was prosecuted and only the Jan 6th people. If nothing was done, why not?

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That's cute. The same doj that has been weaponized against Trump would have listened to his every command, right? Just like Milley, the FBI and the CIA, right? How do you breathe in the vacuum you live in?

---

So you are backing an ineffective Presidential Candidate? Biden is able to control all these Govt agencies, yet Trump couldn't? Which is it? Is the President controlling his DOJ and the agencies or not?

Because if not, sort of shoots holes in the Biden is weaponizing the DOJ. Trump couldn't even get the DOJ to prosecute rioters that destroyed Federal Buildings?

For Biden, he is masterminding the weaponization of Govt.

For Trump, the President can't do that.

Which is it?

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the govt is pro biden and anti Trump- Trump had lots of internal fighting going on.. most of the govt worker donations went to Dems

Why is this so hard for you to figure out? It can in fact be both..

1. Biden is not in control of anything except, maybe, what ice cream flavor he gets.

2. The Swamp owns Biden, and backs him because he is everything they want in a puppet.

3. A Trump Administration 2025-2028 is far, far better than a Democrat Administration 2025-2028.

4. A lot of folks will, when forced, vote for Trump for reason 3. Some here will scream at the sky in denial about that.

FLBear5630 said:

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Whiskey Pete said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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But Lefties burning down buildings in Seattle, Minneapolis, etc., that's OK because Trump was not involved ...

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Do you want the Feds going in to those States and arrest them? You want the Fed to have that much power where if they don't agree with the State handling of a crime, the Feds can come in and retry it?


You do know those are State actions, not Federal? To put it in a framework you would understand...


Ok, it is the difference between what Jack Smith is doing and what Georgia is doing to screw Trump. Now that Trump has the Atlanta DA on the ropes, using your logic, Jack Smith would be able to come in and say "We don't think they did a good enough job", so let's do it again. Federal Jurisdiction and State Jurisdiction. I want them to stay separate.


Now, let's talk about the Lefties not being brought up on ANY Federal charges. Why??? Had to be against Trump, only it happened on his watch. TRUMP's DOJ did not prosecute the rioters OR Hillary. TRUMP did not send in Feds to take control and let the lefties riot. But, isn't Trump great?

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8 months of murder, riots and looting, destruction of FEDERAL BUILDINGS and private property is not something the FEDERAL government should stop?

---

I agree. I thought Hillary should have been prosecuted. Why didn't Trump do something??? Why did he stay out? He could have ordered DOJ to investigate for Civil Rights abuses. He could have prosecuted for destruction of Federal Property.

What was done??? Some times there is stuff done, we just don't hear about it. The MAGA people scream about it enough, I assume no one was prosecuted and only the Jan 6th people. If nothing was done, why not?

---

That's cute. The same doj that has been weaponized against Trump would have listened to his every command, right? Just like Milley, the FBI and the CIA, right? How do you breathe in the vacuum you live in?

---

So you are backing an ineffective Presidential Candidate? Biden is able to control all these Govt agencies, yet Trump couldn't? Which is it? Is the President controlling his DOJ and the agencies or not?

Because if not, sort of shoots holes in the Biden is weaponizing the DOJ. Trump couldn't even get the DOJ to prosecute rioters that destroyed Federal Buildings?

For Biden, he is masterminding the weaponization of Govt.

For Trump, the President can't do that.

Which is it?

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Really? THAT is your take away after all the conversations you have had listening to people complain about how the DOJ, FBI, CIA and many in the justice system refuse to go after democrats for their crimes? Wow. No wonder you're a democrat.

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He's has one of the worst cases of TDS I've seen on this board. And that's saying something considering people like Humck troll here.

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TDS? Funny. You guys are so up Trump's ass you can't see anything but Orange.

You are complaining how Dementia Joe is weaponizing the DOJ to attack Donald. An Agency that Donald couldn't even get to prosecute rioters that attacked Federal facilities or Hillary. That you guys admit he had no control over.

Your Alpha-male candidate is getting his ass handed to him by Dementia Joe's DOJ, that does listen to him. The guy has 4 court cases and 91 counts against him by a guy that can't walk up stairs. Yet, Donald couldn't even have a phone call with Ukraine without being impeached. Just don't get the Donald love...

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Yeah, TDS. You're eat up with it.

I'm a DeSantis supporter

Oldbear83 said:

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1. Biden is not in control of anything except, maybe, what ice cream flavor he gets.

2. The Swamp owns Biden, and backs him because he is everything they want in a puppet.

3. A Trump Administration 2025-2028 is far, far better than a Democrat Administration 2025-2028.

4. A lot of folks will, when forced, vote for Trump for reason 3. Some here will scream at the sky in denial about that.

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step away from the Bong!

Whiskey Pete said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Whiskey Pete said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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But Lefties burning down buildings in Seattle, Minneapolis, etc., that's OK because Trump was not involved ...

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Do you want the Feds going in to those States and arrest them? You want the Fed to have that much power where if they don't agree with the State handling of a crime, the Feds can come in and retry it?


You do know those are State actions, not Federal? To put it in a framework you would understand...


Ok, it is the difference between what Jack Smith is doing and what Georgia is doing to screw Trump. Now that Trump has the Atlanta DA on the ropes, using your logic, Jack Smith would be able to come in and say "We don't think they did a good enough job", so let's do it again. Federal Jurisdiction and State Jurisdiction. I want them to stay separate.


Now, let's talk about the Lefties not being brought up on ANY Federal charges. Why??? Had to be against Trump, only it happened on his watch. TRUMP's DOJ did not prosecute the rioters OR Hillary. TRUMP did not send in Feds to take control and let the lefties riot. But, isn't Trump great?

---

8 months of murder, riots and looting, destruction of FEDERAL BUILDINGS and private property is not something the FEDERAL government should stop?

---

I agree. I thought Hillary should have been prosecuted. Why didn't Trump do something??? Why did he stay out? He could have ordered DOJ to investigate for Civil Rights abuses. He could have prosecuted for destruction of Federal Property.

What was done??? Some times there is stuff done, we just don't hear about it. The MAGA people scream about it enough, I assume no one was prosecuted and only the Jan 6th people. If nothing was done, why not?

---

That's cute. The same doj that has been weaponized against Trump would have listened to his every command, right? Just like Milley, the FBI and the CIA, right? How do you breathe in the vacuum you live in?

---

So you are backing an ineffective Presidential Candidate? Biden is able to control all these Govt agencies, yet Trump couldn't? Which is it? Is the President controlling his DOJ and the agencies or not?

Because if not, sort of shoots holes in the Biden is weaponizing the DOJ. Trump couldn't even get the DOJ to prosecute rioters that destroyed Federal Buildings?

For Biden, he is masterminding the weaponization of Govt.

For Trump, the President can't do that.

Which is it?

---

Really? THAT is your take away after all the conversations you have had listening to people complain about how the DOJ, FBI, CIA and many in the justice system refuse to go after democrats for their crimes? Wow. No wonder you're a democrat.

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He's has one of the worst cases of TDS I've seen on this board. And that's saying something considering people like Humck troll here.

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TDS? Funny. You guys are so up Trump's ass you can't see anything but Orange.

You are complaining how Dementia Joe is weaponizing the DOJ to attack Donald. An Agency that Donald couldn't even get to prosecute rioters that attacked Federal facilities or Hillary. That you guys admit he had no control over.

Your Alpha-male candidate is getting his ass handed to him by Dementia Joe's DOJ, that does listen to him. The guy has 4 court cases and 91 counts against him by a guy that can't walk up stairs. Yet, Donald couldn't even have a phone call with Ukraine without being impeached. Just don't get the Donald love...

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Yeah, TDS. You're eat up with it.

I'm a DeSantis supporter

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Yet, you show up constantly to tell me to lay off Donald...

Oldbear83 said:

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1. Biden is not in control of anything except, maybe, what ice cream flavor he gets.

2. The Swamp owns Biden, and backs him because he is everything they want in a puppet.

3. A Trump Administration 2025-2028 is far, far better than a Democrat Administration 2025-2028.

4. A lot of folks will, when forced, vote for Trump for reason 3. Some here will scream at the sky in denial about that.

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Yet, the Dems are able to control the agenda, shut down a GOP majority HOR, get Trump charged with 91 counts and n four states, were able to impeach him twice, and protect Biden for a full four year term. Sure sounds like they are ripe to lose.

Based on history, Trump will be fighting his own Cabinet, playing musical chairs in his Cabinet, not get anything through Congress, have his Executive Orders in Court and probably be impeached at least once. All the while alienating our Allies and praising Putin. Gonna be a smashing success. IF he can get everyone who hates him to vote for him. What a plan.

FLBear5630 said:

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Whiskey Pete said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Whiskey Pete said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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But Lefties burning down buildings in Seattle, Minneapolis, etc., that's OK because Trump was not involved ...

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Do you want the Feds going in to those States and arrest them? You want the Fed to have that much power where if they don't agree with the State handling of a crime, the Feds can come in and retry it?


You do know those are State actions, not Federal? To put it in a framework you would understand...


Ok, it is the difference between what Jack Smith is doing and what Georgia is doing to screw Trump. Now that Trump has the Atlanta DA on the ropes, using your logic, Jack Smith would be able to come in and say "We don't think they did a good enough job", so let's do it again. Federal Jurisdiction and State Jurisdiction. I want them to stay separate.


Now, let's talk about the Lefties not being brought up on ANY Federal charges. Why??? Had to be against Trump, only it happened on his watch. TRUMP's DOJ did not prosecute the rioters OR Hillary. TRUMP did not send in Feds to take control and let the lefties riot. But, isn't Trump great?

---

8 months of murder, riots and looting, destruction of FEDERAL BUILDINGS and private property is not something the FEDERAL government should stop?

---

I agree. I thought Hillary should have been prosecuted. Why didn't Trump do something??? Why did he stay out? He could have ordered DOJ to investigate for Civil Rights abuses. He could have prosecuted for destruction of Federal Property.

What was done??? Some times there is stuff done, we just don't hear about it. The MAGA people scream about it enough, I assume no one was prosecuted and only the Jan 6th people. If nothing was done, why not?

---

That's cute. The same doj that has been weaponized against Trump would have listened to his every command, right? Just like Milley, the FBI and the CIA, right? How do you breathe in the vacuum you live in?

---

So you are backing an ineffective Presidential Candidate? Biden is able to control all these Govt agencies, yet Trump couldn't? Which is it? Is the President controlling his DOJ and the agencies or not?

Because if not, sort of shoots holes in the Biden is weaponizing the DOJ. Trump couldn't even get the DOJ to prosecute rioters that destroyed Federal Buildings?

For Biden, he is masterminding the weaponization of Govt.

For Trump, the President can't do that.

Which is it?

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Really? THAT is your take away after all the conversations you have had listening to people complain about how the DOJ, FBI, CIA and many in the justice system refuse to go after democrats for their crimes? Wow. No wonder you're a democrat.

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He's has one of the worst cases of TDS I've seen on this board. And that's saying something considering people like Humck troll here.

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TDS? Funny. You guys are so up Trump's ass you can't see anything but Orange.

You are complaining how Dementia Joe is weaponizing the DOJ to attack Donald. An Agency that Donald couldn't even get to prosecute rioters that attacked Federal facilities or Hillary. That you guys admit he had no control over.

Your Alpha-male candidate is getting his ass handed to him by Dementia Joe's DOJ, that does listen to him. The guy has 4 court cases and 91 counts against him by a guy that can't walk up stairs. Yet, Donald couldn't even have a phone call with Ukraine without being impeached. Just don't get the Donald love...

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Yeah, TDS. You're eat up with it.

I'm a DeSantis supporter

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Yet, you show up constantly to tell me to lay off Donald...

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You ever consider that maybe you're being corrected and told to stick to facts every time you try to bash orange man bad?

FLBear5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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1. Biden is not in control of anything except, maybe, what ice cream flavor he gets.

2. The Swamp owns Biden, and backs him because he is everything they want in a puppet.

3. A Trump Administration 2025-2028 is far, far better than a Democrat Administration 2025-2028.

4. A lot of folks will, when forced, vote for Trump for reason 3. Some here will scream at the sky in denial about that.

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Yet, the Dems are able to control the agenda, shut down a GOP majority HOR, get Trump charged with 91 counts and n four states, were able to impeach him twice, and protect Biden for a full four year term. Sure sounds like they are ripe to lose.

Based on history, Trump will be fighting his own Cabinet, playing musical chairs in his Cabinet, not get anything through Congress, have his Executive Orders in Court and probably be impeached at least once. All the while alienating our Allies and praising Putin. Gonna be a smashing success. IF he can get everyone who hates him to vote for him. What a plan.

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Once again you're faulting Trump for how democrats behave.

FLBear5630 said:

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Whiskey Pete said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Whiskey Pete said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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But Lefties burning down buildings in Seattle, Minneapolis, etc., that's OK because Trump was not involved ...

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Do you want the Feds going in to those States and arrest them? You want the Fed to have that much power where if they don't agree with the State handling of a crime, the Feds can come in and retry it?


You do know those are State actions, not Federal? To put it in a framework you would understand...


Ok, it is the difference between what Jack Smith is doing and what Georgia is doing to screw Trump. Now that Trump has the Atlanta DA on the ropes, using your logic, Jack Smith would be able to come in and say "We don't think they did a good enough job", so let's do it again. Federal Jurisdiction and State Jurisdiction. I want them to stay separate.


Now, let's talk about the Lefties not being brought up on ANY Federal charges. Why??? Had to be against Trump, only it happened on his watch. TRUMP's DOJ did not prosecute the rioters OR Hillary. TRUMP did not send in Feds to take control and let the lefties riot. But, isn't Trump great?

---

8 months of murder, riots and looting, destruction of FEDERAL BUILDINGS and private property is not something the FEDERAL government should stop?

---

I agree. I thought Hillary should have been prosecuted. Why didn't Trump do something??? Why did he stay out? He could have ordered DOJ to investigate for Civil Rights abuses. He could have prosecuted for destruction of Federal Property.

What was done??? Some times there is stuff done, we just don't hear about it. The MAGA people scream about it enough, I assume no one was prosecuted and only the Jan 6th people. If nothing was done, why not?

---

That's cute. The same doj that has been weaponized against Trump would have listened to his every command, right? Just like Milley, the FBI and the CIA, right? How do you breathe in the vacuum you live in?

---

So you are backing an ineffective Presidential Candidate? Biden is able to control all these Govt agencies, yet Trump couldn't? Which is it? Is the President controlling his DOJ and the agencies or not?

Because if not, sort of shoots holes in the Biden is weaponizing the DOJ. Trump couldn't even get the DOJ to prosecute rioters that destroyed Federal Buildings?

For Biden, he is masterminding the weaponization of Govt.

For Trump, the President can't do that.

Which is it?

---

Really? THAT is your take away after all the conversations you have had listening to people complain about how the DOJ, FBI, CIA and many in the justice system refuse to go after democrats for their crimes? Wow. No wonder you're a democrat.

---

He's has one of the worst cases of TDS I've seen on this board. And that's saying something considering people like Humck troll here.

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TDS? Funny. You guys are so up Trump's ass you can't see anything but Orange.

You are complaining how Dementia Joe is weaponizing the DOJ to attack Donald. An Agency that Donald couldn't even get to prosecute rioters that attacked Federal facilities or Hillary. That you guys admit he had no control over.

Your Alpha-male candidate is getting his ass handed to him by Dementia Joe's DOJ, that does listen to him. The guy has 4 court cases and 91 counts against him by a guy that can't walk up stairs. Yet, Donald couldn't even have a phone call with Ukraine without being impeached. Just don't get the Donald love...

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Yeah, TDS. You're eat up with it.

I'm a DeSantis supporter

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Yet, you show up constantly to tell me to lay off Donald...

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I didn't say lay off Trump. I just pointed out that you're eat up with TDS.

There' s a difference.

You're a train wreck when it comes to the Orange Man. It's almost amusing.

Biden thanks you for your help, FLBear.

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FLBear5630 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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sombear said:

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KaiBear said:

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sombear said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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KaiBear said:

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sombear said:

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Last week I spent some time on a long flight reviewing the decision and related documents in this case.

Qualifier: Of all the areas of business, finance, etc., I know less about CE than all others.

But I was struck by the discrepancies in Trump's valuations. For example, there were several instances where Trump sought and received legitimate 3rd-party appraisals, then shortly thereafter provided banks valuations that were double, triple, or more the appraisals - and failed to disclose the appraisals.

The case is not about Mar-a-Lago, which is a common talking point and is more complex that advertised given the building restrictions involved. It's about numerous examples of systematic eye-opening discrepancies.

Now, I have not talked to my colleagues or other CE/banking experts about their thoughts. But I'm guessing most folks on both sides have not actually reviewed the facts.

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The biggest fact is a fine of over 260 million dollars involving a case of ZERO damages .

Clearly a violation of the 8th amendment.

These kinds of of pseudo legal persecutions need to be stopped.

Regardless how one feels about Donald Trump.

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The amount of the fine will be reduced to a reasonable number. You are caught up on the fine, I am more interested in his guilt. Everyone keeps talking about everything around the fact that he did it and was found guilty. So far the only defenses have been:

1 - Everyone does it.
2 - Witch Hunt he shouldn't be charged, even if he did do it.
3 - Fine is too big. This has to stop

It will be the same with the classified documents. He has the documents. He didn't give them back. Watch we will hear:

1 - Witch Hunt, FBI was wrong
2 - Three years is not enough time
3 - Others haven't been prosecuted
4 - He was negotiating
5 - He mind-melded them all de-classified with a thought

Everything except the fact that he has them. Didn't turn them over when asked.

Guilt doesn't matter with Donald. Bannon has done his job well...

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Then ask yourself this . . . had Donald Trump not run for (and won) president, would the State of New York have investigated him? Would the DA have run a campaign on getting Donlad Trump?

The honest answer to those questions is No and it should scare the hell out of any business and person in New York - step out of line, watch your back.

This is a banana republic and clearlly a two-tierd justice system.

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Of course the answer is no. Would Clintons have been investigated for Whitewater? Hunter Biden for his business dealings? President Biden? All the Senators/House from both parties who have been investigated?

The answer to all of these is no. Politicians are targets and that has been happening since before Rome . . . .

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The persecution of ex president Trump is unprecedented.

And should give pause to all Americans.

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Agree, but he's done himself no favors, and some charges seem legitimate.

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The conduct of ex President Trump is unprecedented and that gives pause to me

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When looking at his behavior in a vacuum, sure. But when looking at his behavior through the lens of what the democrats did to him, the lies they spread and the spying and the investigations based on those lies coupled with the bull**** democrats pulled during the election under the auspices of Covid restrictions, well then his behavior seems almost rational.

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Nope

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Believe me, you didn't have to tell us that you refuse to look at Trump through any kind of actual context beyond "orange man bad". That's been apparent for years.

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I voted for him twice.
That was before the insurrection...

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Of old people walking unarmed through the capitol?

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So you are good with went down Jan 6th (yes and no)

You think the sitting President is cool to go out and call into question an election he lost.(yes)

Direct a crowd to go to Congress and demonstrate during Certification(yes)

Break windows and enter. Attacking Capitol Police (no)

Force their way into the Chambers forcing Congress to leave.
Taking over Congressional offices. .(no)

This was all good. No guns, just 4 pipe bombs.(pipe bombs were planted as were the bricks and other items to use for destructive purposes) But they didn't ignite them. So no harm, no foul. That is how Govt should work.

Trump is the cure right, maybe we should just go to martial law under Trump. (irrational fear) Why do we need the Constitution, Donald and his gang will tell us what we should do. Just like Jan 6. How about it becomes the norm? (Nonsense)

This is where you tell us how in summer of 2020 riots weren't dealt with like you want, so Jan 6 is ok... Right?

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you have a lot of things to work out..

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Not really, I know a "bad" action from a "good" action.

I watched that mess, including Trump's show. Anyone that can watch that and say that it was peaceful, nothing happened or it was any semblance of normal has needs to take a long look in the mirror.

Same as watching Putin roll his tanks across the border. Wrong is wrong.

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so you dont agree that protesting is a constitutionally protected right? You equated it to invading a foriegn country..

You sure you dont need a counseling referral?

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All for protesting. Breaking in through windows, rushing doors where Capital Police said not to go and forcing Congress to evacuate. Wearing military gear and communicating by radio to take the building? No, Jan 6th went way beyond protesting. Just like the riots in the Summer, no different. That is not protesting. If they stayed outside and didn't go in, chant to your hearts delight. Send emails by the thousands.

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Civil disobedience, even acts that are illegal, do not constitute insurrection or overthrow.

Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Whiskey Pete said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Whiskey Pete said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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But Lefties burning down buildings in Seattle, Minneapolis, etc., that's OK because Trump was not involved ...

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Do you want the Feds going in to those States and arrest them? You want the Fed to have that much power where if they don't agree with the State handling of a crime, the Feds can come in and retry it?


You do know those are State actions, not Federal? To put it in a framework you would understand...


Ok, it is the difference between what Jack Smith is doing and what Georgia is doing to screw Trump. Now that Trump has the Atlanta DA on the ropes, using your logic, Jack Smith would be able to come in and say "We don't think they did a good enough job", so let's do it again. Federal Jurisdiction and State Jurisdiction. I want them to stay separate.


Now, let's talk about the Lefties not being brought up on ANY Federal charges. Why??? Had to be against Trump, only it happened on his watch. TRUMP's DOJ did not prosecute the rioters OR Hillary. TRUMP did not send in Feds to take control and let the lefties riot. But, isn't Trump great?

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8 months of murder, riots and looting, destruction of FEDERAL BUILDINGS and private property is not something the FEDERAL government should stop?

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I agree. I thought Hillary should have been prosecuted. Why didn't Trump do something??? Why did he stay out? He could have ordered DOJ to investigate for Civil Rights abuses. He could have prosecuted for destruction of Federal Property.

What was done??? Some times there is stuff done, we just don't hear about it. The MAGA people scream about it enough, I assume no one was prosecuted and only the Jan 6th people. If nothing was done, why not?

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That's cute. The same doj that has been weaponized against Trump would have listened to his every command, right? Just like Milley, the FBI and the CIA, right? How do you breathe in the vacuum you live in?

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So you are backing an ineffective Presidential Candidate? Biden is able to control all these Govt agencies, yet Trump couldn't? Which is it? Is the President controlling his DOJ and the agencies or not?

Because if not, sort of shoots holes in the Biden is weaponizing the DOJ. Trump couldn't even get the DOJ to prosecute rioters that destroyed Federal Buildings?

For Biden, he is masterminding the weaponization of Govt.

For Trump, the President can't do that.

Which is it?

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Really? THAT is your take away after all the conversations you have had listening to people complain about how the DOJ, FBI, CIA and many in the justice system refuse to go after democrats for their crimes? Wow. No wonder you're a democrat.

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He's has one of the worst cases of TDS I've seen on this board. And that's saying something considering people like Humck troll here.

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TDS? Funny. You guys are so up Trump's ass you can't see anything but Orange.

You are complaining how Dementia Joe is weaponizing the DOJ to attack Donald. An Agency that Donald couldn't even get to prosecute rioters that attacked Federal facilities or Hillary. That you guys admit he had no control over.

Your Alpha-male candidate is getting his ass handed to him by Dementia Joe's DOJ, that does listen to him. The guy has 4 court cases and 91 counts against him by a guy that can't walk up stairs. Yet, Donald couldn't even have a phone call with Ukraine without being impeached. Just don't get the Donald love...

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Yeah, TDS. You're eat up with it.

I'm a DeSantis supporter

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Yet, you show up constantly to tell me to lay off Donald...

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You ever consider that maybe you're being corrected and told to stick to facts every time you try to bash orange man bad?

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And that is your responsibility to put out lies that support Orange Man? Who you dont even like, you are a DSantis guy right? Just doing your noble good deed?

I am honest in my views and Trump is a mistake. Jumping out of the frying pan into the fire. Jan 6th, which he set off, was a National disgrace on the same level as Biden's border. I think Haley would be more effective and have a better chance of righting the shop than burn it to the ground Donald. Finally, Donald is a scumbag. Has been since the 70's.

If you want to discuss be honest. If you like Trump at least have the balls to say it. I may not agree with Doc, Wang, and others on here, but they are hones and their opinions worthy of respect You and the fence sitters that defend Trump,but really don't like him, hard to take serious.

ATL Bear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Wangchung said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Wangchung said:

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Osodecentx said:

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sombear said:

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KaiBear said:

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sombear said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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KaiBear said:

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sombear said:

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Last week I spent some time on a long flight reviewing the decision and related documents in this case.

Qualifier: Of all the areas of business, finance, etc., I know less about CE than all others.

But I was struck by the discrepancies in Trump's valuations. For example, there were several instances where Trump sought and received legitimate 3rd-party appraisals, then shortly thereafter provided banks valuations that were double, triple, or more the appraisals - and failed to disclose the appraisals.

The case is not about Mar-a-Lago, which is a common talking point and is more complex that advertised given the building restrictions involved. It's about numerous examples of systematic eye-opening discrepancies.

Now, I have not talked to my colleagues or other CE/banking experts about their thoughts. But I'm guessing most folks on both sides have not actually reviewed the facts.

---

The biggest fact is a fine of over 260 million dollars involving a case of ZERO damages .

Clearly a violation of the 8th amendment.

These kinds of of pseudo legal persecutions need to be stopped.

Regardless how one feels about Donald Trump.

---

The amount of the fine will be reduced to a reasonable number. You are caught up on the fine, I am more interested in his guilt. Everyone keeps talking about everything around the fact that he did it and was found guilty. So far the only defenses have been:

1 - Everyone does it.
2 - Witch Hunt he shouldn't be charged, even if he did do it.
3 - Fine is too big. This has to stop

It will be the same with the classified documents. He has the documents. He didn't give them back. Watch we will hear:

1 - Witch Hunt, FBI was wrong
2 - Three years is not enough time
3 - Others haven't been prosecuted
4 - He was negotiating
5 - He mind-melded them all de-classified with a thought

Everything except the fact that he has them. Didn't turn them over when asked.

Guilt doesn't matter with Donald. Bannon has done his job well...

---

Then ask yourself this . . . had Donald Trump not run for (and won) president, would the State of New York have investigated him? Would the DA have run a campaign on getting Donlad Trump?

The honest answer to those questions is No and it should scare the hell out of any business and person in New York - step out of line, watch your back.

This is a banana republic and clearlly a two-tierd justice system.

---

Of course the answer is no. Would Clintons have been investigated for Whitewater? Hunter Biden for his business dealings? President Biden? All the Senators/House from both parties who have been investigated?

The answer to all of these is no. Politicians are targets and that has been happening since before Rome . . . .

---

The persecution of ex president Trump is unprecedented.

And should give pause to all Americans.

---

Agree, but he's done himself no favors, and some charges seem legitimate.

---

The conduct of ex President Trump is unprecedented and that gives pause to me

---

When looking at his behavior in a vacuum, sure. But when looking at his behavior through the lens of what the democrats did to him, the lies they spread and the spying and the investigations based on those lies coupled with the bull**** democrats pulled during the election under the auspices of Covid restrictions, well then his behavior seems almost rational.

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Nope

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Believe me, you didn't have to tell us that you refuse to look at Trump through any kind of actual context beyond "orange man bad". That's been apparent for years.

---

I voted for him twice.
That was before the insurrection...

---

Of old people walking unarmed through the capitol?

---

So you are good with went down Jan 6th (yes and no)

You think the sitting President is cool to go out and call into question an election he lost.(yes)

Direct a crowd to go to Congress and demonstrate during Certification(yes)

Break windows and enter. Attacking Capitol Police (no)

Force their way into the Chambers forcing Congress to leave.
Taking over Congressional offices. .(no)

This was all good. No guns, just 4 pipe bombs.(pipe bombs were planted as were the bricks and other items to use for destructive purposes) But they didn't ignite them. So no harm, no foul. That is how Govt should work.

Trump is the cure right, maybe we should just go to martial law under Trump. (irrational fear) Why do we need the Constitution, Donald and his gang will tell us what we should do. Just like Jan 6. How about it becomes the norm? (Nonsense)

This is where you tell us how in summer of 2020 riots weren't dealt with like you want, so Jan 6 is ok... Right?

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you have a lot of things to work out..

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Not really, I know a "bad" action from a "good" action.

I watched that mess, including Trump's show. Anyone that can watch that and say that it was peaceful, nothing happened or it was any semblance of normal has needs to take a long look in the mirror.

Same as watching Putin roll his tanks across the border. Wrong is wrong.

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so you dont agree that protesting is a constitutionally protected right? You equated it to invading a foriegn country..

You sure you dont need a counseling referral?

---

All for protesting. Breaking in through windows, rushing doors where Capital Police said not to go and forcing Congress to evacuate. Wearing military gear and communicating by radio to take the building? No, Jan 6th went way beyond protesting. Just like the riots in the Summer, no different. That is not protesting. If they stayed outside and didn't go in, chant to your hearts delight. Send emails by the thousands.

---

Civil disobedience, even acts that are illegal, do not constitute insurrection or overthrow.

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Attacking the Capitol is civil disobedience?

Osodecentx said:

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ATL Bear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Wangchung said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Wangchung said:

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Osodecentx said:

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sombear said:

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KaiBear said:

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sombear said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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KaiBear said:

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sombear said:

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Last week I spent some time on a long flight reviewing the decision and related documents in this case.

Qualifier: Of all the areas of business, finance, etc., I know less about CE than all others.

But I was struck by the discrepancies in Trump's valuations. For example, there were several instances where Trump sought and received legitimate 3rd-party appraisals, then shortly thereafter provided banks valuations that were double, triple, or more the appraisals - and failed to disclose the appraisals.

The case is not about Mar-a-Lago, which is a common talking point and is more complex that advertised given the building restrictions involved. It's about numerous examples of systematic eye-opening discrepancies.

Now, I have not talked to my colleagues or other CE/banking experts about their thoughts. But I'm guessing most folks on both sides have not actually reviewed the facts.

---

The biggest fact is a fine of over 260 million dollars involving a case of ZERO damages .

Clearly a violation of the 8th amendment.

These kinds of of pseudo legal persecutions need to be stopped.

Regardless how one feels about Donald Trump.

---

The amount of the fine will be reduced to a reasonable number. You are caught up on the fine, I am more interested in his guilt. Everyone keeps talking about everything around the fact that he did it and was found guilty. So far the only defenses have been:

1 - Everyone does it.
2 - Witch Hunt he shouldn't be charged, even if he did do it.
3 - Fine is too big. This has to stop

It will be the same with the classified documents. He has the documents. He didn't give them back. Watch we will hear:

1 - Witch Hunt, FBI was wrong
2 - Three years is not enough time
3 - Others haven't been prosecuted
4 - He was negotiating
5 - He mind-melded them all de-classified with a thought

Everything except the fact that he has them. Didn't turn them over when asked.

Guilt doesn't matter with Donald. Bannon has done his job well...

---

Then ask yourself this . . . had Donald Trump not run for (and won) president, would the State of New York have investigated him? Would the DA have run a campaign on getting Donlad Trump?

The honest answer to those questions is No and it should scare the hell out of any business and person in New York - step out of line, watch your back.

This is a banana republic and clearlly a two-tierd justice system.

---

Of course the answer is no. Would Clintons have been investigated for Whitewater? Hunter Biden for his business dealings? President Biden? All the Senators/House from both parties who have been investigated?

The answer to all of these is no. Politicians are targets and that has been happening since before Rome . . . .

---

The persecution of ex president Trump is unprecedented.

And should give pause to all Americans.

---

Agree, but he's done himself no favors, and some charges seem legitimate.

---

The conduct of ex President Trump is unprecedented and that gives pause to me

---

When looking at his behavior in a vacuum, sure. But when looking at his behavior through the lens of what the democrats did to him, the lies they spread and the spying and the investigations based on those lies coupled with the bull**** democrats pulled during the election under the auspices of Covid restrictions, well then his behavior seems almost rational.

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Nope

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Believe me, you didn't have to tell us that you refuse to look at Trump through any kind of actual context beyond "orange man bad". That's been apparent for years.

---

I voted for him twice.
That was before the insurrection...

---

Of old people walking unarmed through the capitol?

---

So you are good with went down Jan 6th (yes and no)

You think the sitting President is cool to go out and call into question an election he lost.(yes)

Direct a crowd to go to Congress and demonstrate during Certification(yes)

Break windows and enter. Attacking Capitol Police (no)

Force their way into the Chambers forcing Congress to leave.
Taking over Congressional offices. .(no)

This was all good. No guns, just 4 pipe bombs.(pipe bombs were planted as were the bricks and other items to use for destructive purposes) But they didn't ignite them. So no harm, no foul. That is how Govt should work.

Trump is the cure right, maybe we should just go to martial law under Trump. (irrational fear) Why do we need the Constitution, Donald and his gang will tell us what we should do. Just like Jan 6. How about it becomes the norm? (Nonsense)

This is where you tell us how in summer of 2020 riots weren't dealt with like you want, so Jan 6 is ok... Right?

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you have a lot of things to work out..

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Not really, I know a "bad" action from a "good" action.

I watched that mess, including Trump's show. Anyone that can watch that and say that it was peaceful, nothing happened or it was any semblance of normal has needs to take a long look in the mirror.

Same as watching Putin roll his tanks across the border. Wrong is wrong.

---

so you dont agree that protesting is a constitutionally protected right? You equated it to invading a foriegn country..

You sure you dont need a counseling referral?

---

All for protesting. Breaking in through windows, rushing doors where Capital Police said not to go and forcing Congress to evacuate. Wearing military gear and communicating by radio to take the building? No, Jan 6th went way beyond protesting. Just like the riots in the Summer, no different. That is not protesting. If they stayed outside and didn't go in, chant to your hearts delight. Send emails by the thousands.

---

Civil disobedience, even acts that are illegal, do not constitute insurrection or overthrow.

---

Attacking the Capitol is civil disobedience?

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mostly peaceful protest..

4th and Inches said:

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Osodecentx said:

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ATL Bear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Wangchung said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Wangchung said:

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Osodecentx said:

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sombear said:

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KaiBear said:

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sombear said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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KaiBear said:

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sombear said:

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Last week I spent some time on a long flight reviewing the decision and related documents in this case.

Qualifier: Of all the areas of business, finance, etc., I know less about CE than all others.

But I was struck by the discrepancies in Trump's valuations. For example, there were several instances where Trump sought and received legitimate 3rd-party appraisals, then shortly thereafter provided banks valuations that were double, triple, or more the appraisals - and failed to disclose the appraisals.

The case is not about Mar-a-Lago, which is a common talking point and is more complex that advertised given the building restrictions involved. It's about numerous examples of systematic eye-opening discrepancies.

Now, I have not talked to my colleagues or other CE/banking experts about their thoughts. But I'm guessing most folks on both sides have not actually reviewed the facts.

---

The biggest fact is a fine of over 260 million dollars involving a case of ZERO damages .

Clearly a violation of the 8th amendment.

These kinds of of pseudo legal persecutions need to be stopped.

Regardless how one feels about Donald Trump.

---

The amount of the fine will be reduced to a reasonable number. You are caught up on the fine, I am more interested in his guilt. Everyone keeps talking about everything around the fact that he did it and was found guilty. So far the only defenses have been:

1 - Everyone does it.
2 - Witch Hunt he shouldn't be charged, even if he did do it.
3 - Fine is too big. This has to stop

It will be the same with the classified documents. He has the documents. He didn't give them back. Watch we will hear:

1 - Witch Hunt, FBI was wrong
2 - Three years is not enough time
3 - Others haven't been prosecuted
4 - He was negotiating
5 - He mind-melded them all de-classified with a thought

Everything except the fact that he has them. Didn't turn them over when asked.

Guilt doesn't matter with Donald. Bannon has done his job well...

---

Then ask yourself this . . . had Donald Trump not run for (and won) president, would the State of New York have investigated him? Would the DA have run a campaign on getting Donlad Trump?

The honest answer to those questions is No and it should scare the hell out of any business and person in New York - step out of line, watch your back.

This is a banana republic and clearlly a two-tierd justice system.

---

Of course the answer is no. Would Clintons have been investigated for Whitewater? Hunter Biden for his business dealings? President Biden? All the Senators/House from both parties who have been investigated?

The answer to all of these is no. Politicians are targets and that has been happening since before Rome . . . .

---

The persecution of ex president Trump is unprecedented.

And should give pause to all Americans.

---

Agree, but he's done himself no favors, and some charges seem legitimate.

---

The conduct of ex President Trump is unprecedented and that gives pause to me

---

When looking at his behavior in a vacuum, sure. But when looking at his behavior through the lens of what the democrats did to him, the lies they spread and the spying and the investigations based on those lies coupled with the bull**** democrats pulled during the election under the auspices of Covid restrictions, well then his behavior seems almost rational.

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Nope

---

Believe me, you didn't have to tell us that you refuse to look at Trump through any kind of actual context beyond "orange man bad". That's been apparent for years.

---

I voted for him twice.
That was before the insurrection...

---

Of old people walking unarmed through the capitol?

---

So you are good with went down Jan 6th (yes and no)

You think the sitting President is cool to go out and call into question an election he lost.(yes)

Direct a crowd to go to Congress and demonstrate during Certification(yes)

Break windows and enter. Attacking Capitol Police (no)

Force their way into the Chambers forcing Congress to leave.
Taking over Congressional offices. .(no)

This was all good. No guns, just 4 pipe bombs.(pipe bombs were planted as were the bricks and other items to use for destructive purposes) But they didn't ignite them. So no harm, no foul. That is how Govt should work.

Trump is the cure right, maybe we should just go to martial law under Trump. (irrational fear) Why do we need the Constitution, Donald and his gang will tell us what we should do. Just like Jan 6. How about it becomes the norm? (Nonsense)

This is where you tell us how in summer of 2020 riots weren't dealt with like you want, so Jan 6 is ok... Right?

---

you have a lot of things to work out..

---

Not really, I know a "bad" action from a "good" action.

I watched that mess, including Trump's show. Anyone that can watch that and say that it was peaceful, nothing happened or it was any semblance of normal has needs to take a long look in the mirror.

Same as watching Putin roll his tanks across the border. Wrong is wrong.

---

so you dont agree that protesting is a constitutionally protected right? You equated it to invading a foriegn country..

You sure you dont need a counseling referral?

---

All for protesting. Breaking in through windows, rushing doors where Capital Police said not to go and forcing Congress to evacuate. Wearing military gear and communicating by radio to take the building? No, Jan 6th went way beyond protesting. Just like the riots in the Summer, no different. That is not protesting. If they stayed outside and didn't go in, chant to your hearts delight. Send emails by the thousands.

---

Civil disobedience, even acts that are illegal, do not constitute insurrection or overthrow.

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Attacking the Capitol is civil disobedience?

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mostly peaceful protest..

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Why are several hundred folks in federal prison?

Jan 6th, which he set off, was a National disgrace on the same level as Biden's border. I think Haley would be more effective and have a better chance of righting the shop than burn it to the ground Donald. Finally, Donald is a scumbag. Has been since the 70's.


Jan 6th was a disgrace, not because of protest but because of the total disregard/disrespect for the Capitol building itself, its access guidelines, the business being conducted there and the offices within it. Those who use that building may be unworthy of it--may be the same level of "scumbag" as Trump--but the building represents the highest of the nation's ideal and those who put them in place. The real National disgrace is not only the DOJ's selective prosecution activities over the past years and the Congress' failure to serve the Nation's best and highest interests, but also the two mainstream political parties proffering the sordid slate of candidates to represent us at every level of governance. We did this to ourselves.

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4th and Inches said:

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Osodecentx said:

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ATL Bear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Wangchung said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Wangchung said:

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Osodecentx said:

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sombear said:

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KaiBear said:

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sombear said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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KaiBear said:

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sombear said:

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Last week I spent some time on a long flight reviewing the decision and related documents in this case.

Qualifier: Of all the areas of business, finance, etc., I know less about CE than all others.

But I was struck by the discrepancies in Trump's valuations. For example, there were several instances where Trump sought and received legitimate 3rd-party appraisals, then shortly thereafter provided banks valuations that were double, triple, or more the appraisals - and failed to disclose the appraisals.

The case is not about Mar-a-Lago, which is a common talking point and is more complex that advertised given the building restrictions involved. It's about numerous examples of systematic eye-opening discrepancies.

Now, I have not talked to my colleagues or other CE/banking experts about their thoughts. But I'm guessing most folks on both sides have not actually reviewed the facts.

---

The biggest fact is a fine of over 260 million dollars involving a case of ZERO damages .

Clearly a violation of the 8th amendment.

These kinds of of pseudo legal persecutions need to be stopped.

Regardless how one feels about Donald Trump.

---

The amount of the fine will be reduced to a reasonable number. You are caught up on the fine, I am more interested in his guilt. Everyone keeps talking about everything around the fact that he did it and was found guilty. So far the only defenses have been:

1 - Everyone does it.
2 - Witch Hunt he shouldn't be charged, even if he did do it.
3 - Fine is too big. This has to stop

It will be the same with the classified documents. He has the documents. He didn't give them back. Watch we will hear:

1 - Witch Hunt, FBI was wrong
2 - Three years is not enough time
3 - Others haven't been prosecuted
4 - He was negotiating
5 - He mind-melded them all de-classified with a thought

Everything except the fact that he has them. Didn't turn them over when asked.

Guilt doesn't matter with Donald. Bannon has done his job well...

---

Then ask yourself this . . . had Donald Trump not run for (and won) president, would the State of New York have investigated him? Would the DA have run a campaign on getting Donlad Trump?

The honest answer to those questions is No and it should scare the hell out of any business and person in New York - step out of line, watch your back.

This is a banana republic and clearlly a two-tierd justice system.

---

Of course the answer is no. Would Clintons have been investigated for Whitewater? Hunter Biden for his business dealings? President Biden? All the Senators/House from both parties who have been investigated?

The answer to all of these is no. Politicians are targets and that has been happening since before Rome . . . .

---

The persecution of ex president Trump is unprecedented.

And should give pause to all Americans.

---

Agree, but he's done himself no favors, and some charges seem legitimate.

---

The conduct of ex President Trump is unprecedented and that gives pause to me

---

When looking at his behavior in a vacuum, sure. But when looking at his behavior through the lens of what the democrats did to him, the lies they spread and the spying and the investigations based on those lies coupled with the bull**** democrats pulled during the election under the auspices of Covid restrictions, well then his behavior seems almost rational.

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Nope

---

Believe me, you didn't have to tell us that you refuse to look at Trump through any kind of actual context beyond "orange man bad". That's been apparent for years.

---

I voted for him twice.
That was before the insurrection...

---

Of old people walking unarmed through the capitol?

---

So you are good with went down Jan 6th (yes and no)

You think the sitting President is cool to go out and call into question an election he lost.(yes)

Direct a crowd to go to Congress and demonstrate during Certification(yes)

Break windows and enter. Attacking Capitol Police (no)

Force their way into the Chambers forcing Congress to leave.
Taking over Congressional offices. .(no)

This was all good. No guns, just 4 pipe bombs.(pipe bombs were planted as were the bricks and other items to use for destructive purposes) But they didn't ignite them. So no harm, no foul. That is how Govt should work.

Trump is the cure right, maybe we should just go to martial law under Trump. (irrational fear) Why do we need the Constitution, Donald and his gang will tell us what we should do. Just like Jan 6. How about it becomes the norm? (Nonsense)

This is where you tell us how in summer of 2020 riots weren't dealt with like you want, so Jan 6 is ok... Right?

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you have a lot of things to work out..

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Not really, I know a "bad" action from a "good" action.

I watched that mess, including Trump's show. Anyone that can watch that and say that it was peaceful, nothing happened or it was any semblance of normal has needs to take a long look in the mirror.

Same as watching Putin roll his tanks across the border. Wrong is wrong.

---

so you dont agree that protesting is a constitutionally protected right? You equated it to invading a foriegn country..

You sure you dont need a counseling referral?

---

All for protesting. Breaking in through windows, rushing doors where Capital Police said not to go and forcing Congress to evacuate. Wearing military gear and communicating by radio to take the building? No, Jan 6th went way beyond protesting. Just like the riots in the Summer, no different. That is not protesting. If they stayed outside and didn't go in, chant to your hearts delight. Send emails by the thousands.

---

Civil disobedience, even acts that are illegal, do not constitute insurrection or overthrow.

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Attacking the Capitol is civil disobedience?

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mostly peaceful protest..

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Why are several hundred folks in federal prison?

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120k protestors on Jan 6th. Even at 1200 in prison for rioting, still 99% peaceful..

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FLBear5630 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Wangchung said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Wangchung said:

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Osodecentx said:

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sombear said:

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KaiBear said:

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sombear said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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KaiBear said:

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sombear said:

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Last week I spent some time on a long flight reviewing the decision and related documents in this case.

Qualifier: Of all the areas of business, finance, etc., I know less about CE than all others.

But I was struck by the discrepancies in Trump's valuations. For example, there were several instances where Trump sought and received legitimate 3rd-party appraisals, then shortly thereafter provided banks valuations that were double, triple, or more the appraisals - and failed to disclose the appraisals.

The case is not about Mar-a-Lago, which is a common talking point and is more complex that advertised given the building restrictions involved. It's about numerous examples of systematic eye-opening discrepancies.

Now, I have not talked to my colleagues or other CE/banking experts about their thoughts. But I'm guessing most folks on both sides have not actually reviewed the facts.

---

The biggest fact is a fine of over 260 million dollars involving a case of ZERO damages .

Clearly a violation of the 8th amendment.

These kinds of of pseudo legal persecutions need to be stopped.

Regardless how one feels about Donald Trump.

---

The amount of the fine will be reduced to a reasonable number. You are caught up on the fine, I am more interested in his guilt. Everyone keeps talking about everything around the fact that he did it and was found guilty. So far the only defenses have been:

1 - Everyone does it.
2 - Witch Hunt he shouldn't be charged, even if he did do it.
3 - Fine is too big. This has to stop

It will be the same with the classified documents. He has the documents. He didn't give them back. Watch we will hear:

1 - Witch Hunt, FBI was wrong
2 - Three years is not enough time
3 - Others haven't been prosecuted
4 - He was negotiating
5 - He mind-melded them all de-classified with a thought

Everything except the fact that he has them. Didn't turn them over when asked.

Guilt doesn't matter with Donald. Bannon has done his job well...

---

Then ask yourself this . . . had Donald Trump not run for (and won) president, would the State of New York have investigated him? Would the DA have run a campaign on getting Donlad Trump?

The honest answer to those questions is No and it should scare the hell out of any business and person in New York - step out of line, watch your back.

This is a banana republic and clearlly a two-tierd justice system.

---

Of course the answer is no. Would Clintons have been investigated for Whitewater? Hunter Biden for his business dealings? President Biden? All the Senators/House from both parties who have been investigated?

The answer to all of these is no. Politicians are targets and that has been happening since before Rome . . . .

---

The persecution of ex president Trump is unprecedented.

And should give pause to all Americans.

---

Agree, but he's done himself no favors, and some charges seem legitimate.

---

The conduct of ex President Trump is unprecedented and that gives pause to me

---

When looking at his behavior in a vacuum, sure. But when looking at his behavior through the lens of what the democrats did to him, the lies they spread and the spying and the investigations based on those lies coupled with the bull**** democrats pulled during the election under the auspices of Covid restrictions, well then his behavior seems almost rational.

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Nope

---

Believe me, you didn't have to tell us that you refuse to look at Trump through any kind of actual context beyond "orange man bad". That's been apparent for years.

---

I voted for him twice.
That was before the insurrection...

---

Of old people walking unarmed through the capitol?

---

So you are good with went down Jan 6th (yes and no)

You think the sitting President is cool to go out and call into question an election he lost.(yes)

Direct a crowd to go to Congress and demonstrate during Certification(yes)

Break windows and enter. Attacking Capitol Police (no)

Force their way into the Chambers forcing Congress to leave.
Taking over Congressional offices. .(no)

This was all good. No guns, just 4 pipe bombs.(pipe bombs were planted as were the bricks and other items to use for destructive purposes) But they didn't ignite them. So no harm, no foul. That is how Govt should work.

Trump is the cure right, maybe we should just go to martial law under Trump. (irrational fear) Why do we need the Constitution, Donald and his gang will tell us what we should do. Just like Jan 6. How about it becomes the norm? (Nonsense)

This is where you tell us how in summer of 2020 riots weren't dealt with like you want, so Jan 6 is ok... Right?

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you have a lot of things to work out..

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Not really, I know a "bad" action from a "good" action.

I watched that mess, including Trump's show. Anyone that can watch that and say that it was peaceful, nothing happened or it was any semblance of normal has needs to take a long look in the mirror.

Same as watching Putin roll his tanks across the border. Wrong is wrong.

---

so you dont agree that protesting is a constitutionally protected right? You equated it to invading a foriegn country..

You sure you dont need a counseling referral?

---

All for protesting. Breaking in through windows, rushing doors where Capital Police said not to go and forcing Congress to evacuate. Wearing military gear and communicating by radio to take the building? No, Jan 6th went way beyond protesting. Just like the riots in the Summer, no different. That is not protesting. If they stayed outside and didn't go in, chant to your hearts delight. Send emails by the thousands.

---

Civil disobedience, even acts that are illegal, do not constitute insurrection or overthrow.

---

So, the bar has been lowered to an insurrection or overthrow to be wrong?? Anything short of taking over the Government is fair game. Does that work for all? Or just the groups you support?

Osodecentx said:

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ATL Bear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Wangchung said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Wangchung said:

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Osodecentx said:

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sombear said:

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KaiBear said:

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sombear said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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KaiBear said:

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sombear said:

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Last week I spent some time on a long flight reviewing the decision and related documents in this case.

Qualifier: Of all the areas of business, finance, etc., I know less about CE than all others.

But I was struck by the discrepancies in Trump's valuations. For example, there were several instances where Trump sought and received legitimate 3rd-party appraisals, then shortly thereafter provided banks valuations that were double, triple, or more the appraisals - and failed to disclose the appraisals.

The case is not about Mar-a-Lago, which is a common talking point and is more complex that advertised given the building restrictions involved. It's about numerous examples of systematic eye-opening discrepancies.

Now, I have not talked to my colleagues or other CE/banking experts about their thoughts. But I'm guessing most folks on both sides have not actually reviewed the facts.

---

The biggest fact is a fine of over 260 million dollars involving a case of ZERO damages .

Clearly a violation of the 8th amendment.

These kinds of of pseudo legal persecutions need to be stopped.

Regardless how one feels about Donald Trump.

---

The amount of the fine will be reduced to a reasonable number. You are caught up on the fine, I am more interested in his guilt. Everyone keeps talking about everything around the fact that he did it and was found guilty. So far the only defenses have been:

1 - Everyone does it.
2 - Witch Hunt he shouldn't be charged, even if he did do it.
3 - Fine is too big. This has to stop

It will be the same with the classified documents. He has the documents. He didn't give them back. Watch we will hear:

1 - Witch Hunt, FBI was wrong
2 - Three years is not enough time
3 - Others haven't been prosecuted
4 - He was negotiating
5 - He mind-melded them all de-classified with a thought

Everything except the fact that he has them. Didn't turn them over when asked.

Guilt doesn't matter with Donald. Bannon has done his job well...

---

Then ask yourself this . . . had Donald Trump not run for (and won) president, would the State of New York have investigated him? Would the DA have run a campaign on getting Donlad Trump?

The honest answer to those questions is No and it should scare the hell out of any business and person in New York - step out of line, watch your back.

This is a banana republic and clearlly a two-tierd justice system.

---

Of course the answer is no. Would Clintons have been investigated for Whitewater? Hunter Biden for his business dealings? President Biden? All the Senators/House from both parties who have been investigated?

The answer to all of these is no. Politicians are targets and that has been happening since before Rome . . . .

---

The persecution of ex president Trump is unprecedented.

And should give pause to all Americans.

---

Agree, but he's done himself no favors, and some charges seem legitimate.

---

The conduct of ex President Trump is unprecedented and that gives pause to me

---

When looking at his behavior in a vacuum, sure. But when looking at his behavior through the lens of what the democrats did to him, the lies they spread and the spying and the investigations based on those lies coupled with the bull**** democrats pulled during the election under the auspices of Covid restrictions, well then his behavior seems almost rational.

---

Nope

---

Believe me, you didn't have to tell us that you refuse to look at Trump through any kind of actual context beyond "orange man bad". That's been apparent for years.

---

I voted for him twice.
That was before the insurrection...

---

Of old people walking unarmed through the capitol?

---

So you are good with went down Jan 6th (yes and no)

You think the sitting President is cool to go out and call into question an election he lost.(yes)

Direct a crowd to go to Congress and demonstrate during Certification(yes)

Break windows and enter. Attacking Capitol Police (no)

Force their way into the Chambers forcing Congress to leave.
Taking over Congressional offices. .(no)

This was all good. No guns, just 4 pipe bombs.(pipe bombs were planted as were the bricks and other items to use for destructive purposes) But they didn't ignite them. So no harm, no foul. That is how Govt should work.

Trump is the cure right, maybe we should just go to martial law under Trump. (irrational fear) Why do we need the Constitution, Donald and his gang will tell us what we should do. Just like Jan 6. How about it becomes the norm? (Nonsense)

This is where you tell us how in summer of 2020 riots weren't dealt with like you want, so Jan 6 is ok... Right?

---

you have a lot of things to work out..

---

Not really, I know a "bad" action from a "good" action.

I watched that mess, including Trump's show. Anyone that can watch that and say that it was peaceful, nothing happened or it was any semblance of normal has needs to take a long look in the mirror.

Same as watching Putin roll his tanks across the border. Wrong is wrong.

---

so you dont agree that protesting is a constitutionally protected right? You equated it to invading a foriegn country..

You sure you dont need a counseling referral?

---

All for protesting. Breaking in through windows, rushing doors where Capital Police said not to go and forcing Congress to evacuate. Wearing military gear and communicating by radio to take the building? No, Jan 6th went way beyond protesting. Just like the riots in the Summer, no different. That is not protesting. If they stayed outside and didn't go in, chant to your hearts delight. Send emails by the thousands.

---

Civil disobedience, even acts that are illegal, do not constitute insurrection or overthrow.

---

Attacking the Capitol is civil disobedience?

---

This particular type of "attack" is.

Osodecentx: "Why are several hundred folks in federal prison?"

Lawfare, for the most part.

Actual Justice was abandoned long ago in DC courts.

FLBear5630 said:

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ATL Bear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Wangchung said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Wangchung said:

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Osodecentx said:

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sombear said:

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KaiBear said:

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sombear said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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KaiBear said:

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sombear said:

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Last week I spent some time on a long flight reviewing the decision and related documents in this case.

Qualifier: Of all the areas of business, finance, etc., I know less about CE than all others.

But I was struck by the discrepancies in Trump's valuations. For example, there were several instances where Trump sought and received legitimate 3rd-party appraisals, then shortly thereafter provided banks valuations that were double, triple, or more the appraisals - and failed to disclose the appraisals.

The case is not about Mar-a-Lago, which is a common talking point and is more complex that advertised given the building restrictions involved. It's about numerous examples of systematic eye-opening discrepancies.

Now, I have not talked to my colleagues or other CE/banking experts about their thoughts. But I'm guessing most folks on both sides have not actually reviewed the facts.

---

The biggest fact is a fine of over 260 million dollars involving a case of ZERO damages .

Clearly a violation of the 8th amendment.

These kinds of of pseudo legal persecutions need to be stopped.

Regardless how one feels about Donald Trump.

---

The amount of the fine will be reduced to a reasonable number. You are caught up on the fine, I am more interested in his guilt. Everyone keeps talking about everything around the fact that he did it and was found guilty. So far the only defenses have been:

1 - Everyone does it.
2 - Witch Hunt he shouldn't be charged, even if he did do it.
3 - Fine is too big. This has to stop

It will be the same with the classified documents. He has the documents. He didn't give them back. Watch we will hear:

1 - Witch Hunt, FBI was wrong
2 - Three years is not enough time
3 - Others haven't been prosecuted
4 - He was negotiating
5 - He mind-melded them all de-classified with a thought

Everything except the fact that he has them. Didn't turn them over when asked.

Guilt doesn't matter with Donald. Bannon has done his job well...

---

Then ask yourself this . . . had Donald Trump not run for (and won) president, would the State of New York have investigated him? Would the DA have run a campaign on getting Donlad Trump?

The honest answer to those questions is No and it should scare the hell out of any business and person in New York - step out of line, watch your back.

This is a banana republic and clearlly a two-tierd justice system.

---

Of course the answer is no. Would Clintons have been investigated for Whitewater? Hunter Biden for his business dealings? President Biden? All the Senators/House from both parties who have been investigated?

The answer to all of these is no. Politicians are targets and that has been happening since before Rome . . . .

---

The persecution of ex president Trump is unprecedented.

And should give pause to all Americans.

---

Agree, but he's done himself no favors, and some charges seem legitimate.

---

The conduct of ex President Trump is unprecedented and that gives pause to me

---

When looking at his behavior in a vacuum, sure. But when looking at his behavior through the lens of what the democrats did to him, the lies they spread and the spying and the investigations based on those lies coupled with the bull**** democrats pulled during the election under the auspices of Covid restrictions, well then his behavior seems almost rational.

---

Nope

---

Believe me, you didn't have to tell us that you refuse to look at Trump through any kind of actual context beyond "orange man bad". That's been apparent for years.

---

I voted for him twice.
That was before the insurrection...

---

Of old people walking unarmed through the capitol?

---

So you are good with went down Jan 6th (yes and no)

You think the sitting President is cool to go out and call into question an election he lost.(yes)

Direct a crowd to go to Congress and demonstrate during Certification(yes)

Break windows and enter. Attacking Capitol Police (no)

Force their way into the Chambers forcing Congress to leave.
Taking over Congressional offices. .(no)

This was all good. No guns, just 4 pipe bombs.(pipe bombs were planted as were the bricks and other items to use for destructive purposes) But they didn't ignite them. So no harm, no foul. That is how Govt should work.

Trump is the cure right, maybe we should just go to martial law under Trump. (irrational fear) Why do we need the Constitution, Donald and his gang will tell us what we should do. Just like Jan 6. How about it becomes the norm? (Nonsense)

This is where you tell us how in summer of 2020 riots weren't dealt with like you want, so Jan 6 is ok... Right?

---

you have a lot of things to work out..

---

Not really, I know a "bad" action from a "good" action.

I watched that mess, including Trump's show. Anyone that can watch that and say that it was peaceful, nothing happened or it was any semblance of normal has needs to take a long look in the mirror.

Same as watching Putin roll his tanks across the border. Wrong is wrong.

---

so you dont agree that protesting is a constitutionally protected right? You equated it to invading a foriegn country..

You sure you dont need a counseling referral?

---

All for protesting. Breaking in through windows, rushing doors where Capital Police said not to go and forcing Congress to evacuate. Wearing military gear and communicating by radio to take the building? No, Jan 6th went way beyond protesting. Just like the riots in the Summer, no different. That is not protesting. If they stayed outside and didn't go in, chant to your hearts delight. Send emails by the thousands.

---

Civil disobedience, even acts that are illegal, do not constitute insurrection or overthrow.

---

So, the bar has been lowered to an insurrection or overthrow to be wrong?? Anything short of taking over the Government is fair game. Does that work for all? Or just the groups you support?

---

I never said it wasn't wrong or illegal. Only said it wasn't an insurrection. And I do put blame on Trump. To use a movie analogy, he Colonel Jessup'd them. Got them riled up to protest and when things went wrong he cut them loose and started changing the story.

ATL Bear said:

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Osodecentx said:

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ATL Bear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Wangchung said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Wangchung said:

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Osodecentx said:

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sombear said:

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KaiBear said:

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sombear said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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KaiBear said:

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sombear said:

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Last week I spent some time on a long flight reviewing the decision and related documents in this case.

Qualifier: Of all the areas of business, finance, etc., I know less about CE than all others.

But I was struck by the discrepancies in Trump's valuations. For example, there were several instances where Trump sought and received legitimate 3rd-party appraisals, then shortly thereafter provided banks valuations that were double, triple, or more the appraisals - and failed to disclose the appraisals.

The case is not about Mar-a-Lago, which is a common talking point and is more complex that advertised given the building restrictions involved. It's about numerous examples of systematic eye-opening discrepancies.

Now, I have not talked to my colleagues or other CE/banking experts about their thoughts. But I'm guessing most folks on both sides have not actually reviewed the facts.

---

The biggest fact is a fine of over 260 million dollars involving a case of ZERO damages .

Clearly a violation of the 8th amendment.

These kinds of of pseudo legal persecutions need to be stopped.

Regardless how one feels about Donald Trump.

---

The amount of the fine will be reduced to a reasonable number. You are caught up on the fine, I am more interested in his guilt. Everyone keeps talking about everything around the fact that he did it and was found guilty. So far the only defenses have been:

1 - Everyone does it.
2 - Witch Hunt he shouldn't be charged, even if he did do it.
3 - Fine is too big. This has to stop

It will be the same with the classified documents. He has the documents. He didn't give them back. Watch we will hear:

1 - Witch Hunt, FBI was wrong
2 - Three years is not enough time
3 - Others haven't been prosecuted
4 - He was negotiating
5 - He mind-melded them all de-classified with a thought

Everything except the fact that he has them. Didn't turn them over when asked.

Guilt doesn't matter with Donald. Bannon has done his job well...

---

Then ask yourself this . . . had Donald Trump not run for (and won) president, would the State of New York have investigated him? Would the DA have run a campaign on getting Donlad Trump?

The honest answer to those questions is No and it should scare the hell out of any business and person in New York - step out of line, watch your back.

This is a banana republic and clearlly a two-tierd justice system.

---

Of course the answer is no. Would Clintons have been investigated for Whitewater? Hunter Biden for his business dealings? President Biden? All the Senators/House from both parties who have been investigated?

The answer to all of these is no. Politicians are targets and that has been happening since before Rome . . . .

---

The persecution of ex president Trump is unprecedented.

And should give pause to all Americans.

---

Agree, but he's done himself no favors, and some charges seem legitimate.

---

The conduct of ex President Trump is unprecedented and that gives pause to me

---

When looking at his behavior in a vacuum, sure. But when looking at his behavior through the lens of what the democrats did to him, the lies they spread and the spying and the investigations based on those lies coupled with the bull**** democrats pulled during the election under the auspices of Covid restrictions, well then his behavior seems almost rational.

---

Nope

---

Believe me, you didn't have to tell us that you refuse to look at Trump through any kind of actual context beyond "orange man bad". That's been apparent for years.

---

I voted for him twice.
That was before the insurrection...

---

Of old people walking unarmed through the capitol?

---

So you are good with went down Jan 6th (yes and no)

You think the sitting President is cool to go out and call into question an election he lost.(yes)

Direct a crowd to go to Congress and demonstrate during Certification(yes)

Break windows and enter. Attacking Capitol Police (no)

Force their way into the Chambers forcing Congress to leave.
Taking over Congressional offices. .(no)

This was all good. No guns, just 4 pipe bombs.(pipe bombs were planted as were the bricks and other items to use for destructive purposes) But they didn't ignite them. So no harm, no foul. That is how Govt should work.

Trump is the cure right, maybe we should just go to martial law under Trump. (irrational fear) Why do we need the Constitution, Donald and his gang will tell us what we should do. Just like Jan 6. How about it becomes the norm? (Nonsense)

This is where you tell us how in summer of 2020 riots weren't dealt with like you want, so Jan 6 is ok... Right?

---

you have a lot of things to work out..

---

Not really, I know a "bad" action from a "good" action.

I watched that mess, including Trump's show. Anyone that can watch that and say that it was peaceful, nothing happened or it was any semblance of normal has needs to take a long look in the mirror.

Same as watching Putin roll his tanks across the border. Wrong is wrong.

---

so you dont agree that protesting is a constitutionally protected right? You equated it to invading a foriegn country..

You sure you dont need a counseling referral?

---

All for protesting. Breaking in through windows, rushing doors where Capital Police said not to go and forcing Congress to evacuate. Wearing military gear and communicating by radio to take the building? No, Jan 6th went way beyond protesting. Just like the riots in the Summer, no different. That is not protesting. If they stayed outside and didn't go in, chant to your hearts delight. Send emails by the thousands.

---

Civil disobedience, even acts that are illegal, do not constitute insurrection or overthrow.

---

Attacking the Capitol is civil disobedience?

---

This particular type of "attack" is.

---

Because you agree, it is fine. If the Dems did it, it is not. Like the riots in 2020, they were criminal, even though illegal acts happened in both.

That is a slippery slope, especially with someone like Trump calling the shots...

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ATL Bear said:

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Osodecentx said:

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ATL Bear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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Last week I spent some time on a long flight reviewing the decision and related documents in this case.

Qualifier: Of all the areas of business, finance, etc., I know less about CE than all others.

But I was struck by the discrepancies in Trump's valuations. For example, there were several instances where Trump sought and received legitimate 3rd-party appraisals, then shortly thereafter provided banks valuations that were double, triple, or more the appraisals - and failed to disclose the appraisals.

The case is not about Mar-a-Lago, which is a common talking point and is more complex that advertised given the building restrictions involved. It's about numerous examples of systematic eye-opening discrepancies.

Now, I have not talked to my colleagues or other CE/banking experts about their thoughts. But I'm guessing most folks on both sides have not actually reviewed the facts.

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The biggest fact is a fine of over 260 million dollars involving a case of ZERO damages .

Clearly a violation of the 8th amendment.

These kinds of of pseudo legal persecutions need to be stopped.

Regardless how one feels about Donald Trump.

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The amount of the fine will be reduced to a reasonable number. You are caught up on the fine, I am more interested in his guilt. Everyone keeps talking about everything around the fact that he did it and was found guilty. So far the only defenses have been:

1 - Everyone does it.
2 - Witch Hunt he shouldn't be charged, even if he did do it.
3 - Fine is too big. This has to stop

It will be the same with the classified documents. He has the documents. He didn't give them back. Watch we will hear:

1 - Witch Hunt, FBI was wrong
2 - Three years is not enough time
3 - Others haven't been prosecuted
4 - He was negotiating
5 - He mind-melded them all de-classified with a thought

Everything except the fact that he has them. Didn't turn them over when asked.

Guilt doesn't matter with Donald. Bannon has done his job well...

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Then ask yourself this . . . had Donald Trump not run for (and won) president, would the State of New York have investigated him? Would the DA have run a campaign on getting Donlad Trump?

The honest answer to those questions is No and it should scare the hell out of any business and person in New York - step out of line, watch your back.

This is a banana republic and clearlly a two-tierd justice system.

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Of course the answer is no. Would Clintons have been investigated for Whitewater? Hunter Biden for his business dealings? President Biden? All the Senators/House from both parties who have been investigated?

The answer to all of these is no. Politicians are targets and that has been happening since before Rome . . . .

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The persecution of ex president Trump is unprecedented.

And should give pause to all Americans.

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Agree, but he's done himself no favors, and some charges seem legitimate.

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The conduct of ex President Trump is unprecedented and that gives pause to me

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When looking at his behavior in a vacuum, sure. But when looking at his behavior through the lens of what the democrats did to him, the lies they spread and the spying and the investigations based on those lies coupled with the bull**** democrats pulled during the election under the auspices of Covid restrictions, well then his behavior seems almost rational.

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Nope

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Believe me, you didn't have to tell us that you refuse to look at Trump through any kind of actual context beyond "orange man bad". That's been apparent for years.

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I voted for him twice.
That was before the insurrection...

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Of old people walking unarmed through the capitol?

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So you are good with went down Jan 6th (yes and no)

You think the sitting President is cool to go out and call into question an election he lost.(yes)

Direct a crowd to go to Congress and demonstrate during Certification(yes)

Break windows and enter. Attacking Capitol Police (no)

Force their way into the Chambers forcing Congress to leave.
Taking over Congressional offices. .(no)

This was all good. No guns, just 4 pipe bombs.(pipe bombs were planted as were the bricks and other items to use for destructive purposes) But they didn't ignite them. So no harm, no foul. That is how Govt should work.

Trump is the cure right, maybe we should just go to martial law under Trump. (irrational fear) Why do we need the Constitution, Donald and his gang will tell us what we should do. Just like Jan 6. How about it becomes the norm? (Nonsense)

This is where you tell us how in summer of 2020 riots weren't dealt with like you want, so Jan 6 is ok... Right?

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you have a lot of things to work out..

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Not really, I know a "bad" action from a "good" action.

I watched that mess, including Trump's show. Anyone that can watch that and say that it was peaceful, nothing happened or it was any semblance of normal has needs to take a long look in the mirror.

Same as watching Putin roll his tanks across the border. Wrong is wrong.

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so you dont agree that protesting is a constitutionally protected right? You equated it to invading a foriegn country..

You sure you dont need a counseling referral?

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All for protesting. Breaking in through windows, rushing doors where Capital Police said not to go and forcing Congress to evacuate. Wearing military gear and communicating by radio to take the building? No, Jan 6th went way beyond protesting. Just like the riots in the Summer, no different. That is not protesting. If they stayed outside and didn't go in, chant to your hearts delight. Send emails by the thousands.

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Civil disobedience, even acts that are illegal, do not constitute insurrection or overthrow.

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Attacking the Capitol is civil disobedience?

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This particular type of "attack" is.

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Because you agree, it is fine. If the Dems did it, it is not. Like the riots in 2020, they were criminal, even though illegal acts happened in both.

That is a slippery slope, especially with someone like Trump calling the shots...

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See my response above. You might also be surprised to know I don't view the BLM movement actions as insurrection either, although the closest I think we got to it was the "CHAZ" situation.