Redbrickbear said:

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Porteroso said:

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KaiBear said:

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Porteroso said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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CammoTX said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Slavery was terrible, no doubt.

The fact that the U.S. has been having to babysit the dysfunctional descendants of slaves for 180 years who cann seem to get their **** together is almost as bad.

We should have sent them all back to LIberia and saved us the headaches.

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Well we made it so easy for them to prosper after they were freed, right?

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Actually for the last half century plus it has been made relatively easy for them to prosper - at least for those intelligent enough to make wise decisions (and joining a gang, dealing drugs, dropping out of school, getting pregnant out of wedlock as a teenager, and being satisfied to live off of the taxpayer dole are examples of bad ones). It's just that sadly statistically few of them take advantage of it.

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Generational poverty is just difficult to get out of, and guess how most get into generational poverty?

You say it is easy, but it is not. Some extreme ignorance being displayed.

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Life has never been 'easy'.

And every ethnic in the US initially faced huge obstacles.

Most climbed out of generational poverty with the help of FAMILY.

Not government.

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How is this relevant?


Contrast this to a group of people that were brought over as slaves…

Come back when you can post something that makes sense.

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You never heard of indentured White servants?

Many were just straight up kidnapped from ports and towns in Ulster-Scotland-England












https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2016/08/the-mail-order-brides-of-jamestown-virginia/498083/

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There were very few kidnapped whites who were in reality slaves. And they did not have education, family ties, and all rights stripped from them, for the most part. Many children of indentured servants were allowed schooling.

And then, when the debt was paid, they had communities, even if their societal status was the bottom of the bottom. Early America only cared so much about societal status, not nearly as much as color of skin.

Porteroso said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Porteroso said:

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KaiBear said:

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Porteroso said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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CammoTX said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Slavery was terrible, no doubt.

The fact that the U.S. has been having to babysit the dysfunctional descendants of slaves for 180 years who cann seem to get their **** together is almost as bad.

We should have sent them all back to LIberia and saved us the headaches.

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Well we made it so easy for them to prosper after they were freed, right?

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Actually for the last half century plus it has been made relatively easy for them to prosper - at least for those intelligent enough to make wise decisions (and joining a gang, dealing drugs, dropping out of school, getting pregnant out of wedlock as a teenager, and being satisfied to live off of the taxpayer dole are examples of bad ones). It's just that sadly statistically few of them take advantage of it.

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Generational poverty is just difficult to get out of, and guess how most get into generational poverty?

You say it is easy, but it is not. Some extreme ignorance being displayed.

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Life has never been 'easy'.

And every ethnic in the US initially faced huge obstacles.

Most climbed out of generational poverty with the help of FAMILY.

Not government.

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How is this relevant?


Contrast this to a group of people that were brought over as slaves…

Come back when you can post something that makes sense.

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You never heard of indentured White servants?

Many were just straight up kidnapped from ports and towns in Ulster-Scotland-England

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There were very few kidnapped whites who were in reality slaves. And they did not have education, family ties, and all rights stripped from them, for the most part.

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But of course they did have the rights stripped from them…and they remained the core of the White working class for centuries.

Now if you want to point out they were not generational slaves…then fair enough.

But they were certainly kidnapped and transported to a new world against their will…and economically exploited for generations…

[Financially "poor whites" were increasingly labeled "poor white trash" and worse. The terms, "cracker," "hillbilly," "clay eater," "linthead," "peckerwood," "buckra," and especially "redneck" only scratched the surface of their rejection and slander.]

Porteroso said:

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KaiBear said:

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Porteroso said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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CammoTX said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Slavery was terrible, no doubt.

The fact that the U.S. has been having to babysit the dysfunctional descendants of slaves for 180 years who cann seem to get their **** together is almost as bad.

We should have sent them all back to LIberia and saved us the headaches.

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Well we made it so easy for them to prosper after they were freed, right?

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Actually for the last half century plus it has been made relatively easy for them to prosper - at least for those intelligent enough to make wise decisions (and joining a gang, dealing drugs, dropping out of school, getting pregnant out of wedlock as a teenager, and being satisfied to live off of the taxpayer dole are examples of bad ones). It's just that sadly statistically few of them take advantage of it.

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Generational poverty is just difficult to get out of, and guess how most get into generational poverty?

You say it is easy, but it is not. Some extreme ignorance being displayed.

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Life has never been 'easy'.

And every ethnic in the US initially faced huge obstacles.

Most climbed out of generational poverty with the help of FAMILY.

Not government.

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Come back when you can post something that makes sense.

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OK; here goes.



Based on your various comments it is easy to conclude you are an inexperienced, bubble insulated, mediocrity who has rarely lived or worked where minorities were the dominant demographic.

Spend a few weeks in South Oak Cliff, East St Louis, New Orleans , or South El Paso.

You will obtain a real education and it won't cost your Daddy one additional cent.

KaiBear said:

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Porteroso said:

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KaiBear said:

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Porteroso said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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CammoTX said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Slavery was terrible, no doubt.

The fact that the U.S. has been having to babysit the dysfunctional descendants of slaves for 180 years who cann seem to get their **** together is almost as bad.

We should have sent them all back to LIberia and saved us the headaches.

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Well we made it so easy for them to prosper after they were freed, right?

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Actually for the last half century plus it has been made relatively easy for them to prosper - at least for those intelligent enough to make wise decisions (and joining a gang, dealing drugs, dropping out of school, getting pregnant out of wedlock as a teenager, and being satisfied to live off of the taxpayer dole are examples of bad ones). It's just that sadly statistically few of them take advantage of it.

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Generational poverty is just difficult to get out of, and guess how most get into generational poverty?

You say it is easy, but it is not. Some extreme ignorance being displayed.

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Life has never been 'easy'.

And every ethnic in the US initially faced huge obstacles.

Most climbed out of generational poverty with the help of FAMILY.

Not government.

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Come back when you can post something that makes sense.

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OK; here goes.



Based on your various comments it is easy to conclude you are an inexperienced, bubble insulated, mediocrity who has rarely lived or worked where minorities were the dominant demographic.

Spend a few weeks in South Oak Cliff, East St Louis, New Orleans , or South El Paso.

You will obtain a real education and it won't cost your Daddy one additional cent.

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Absolutely NOT...

[East St. Louis, Il., has the nation's highest murder rate, report the Belleville (IL) News-Democrat and St. Louis Public Radio. The chances of being murdered in East St. Louis are 19 times greater than the national average.]

[According to Jeff Asher, a data analyst, a total of 193 people were killed in New Orleans in 2023, which is a drop from 266 people killed in 2022. The years 2020 through 2022 were the nation's highest for murder rates. In 2022, there were 266 killings in New Orleans]

Redbrickbear said:

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KaiBear said:

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Porteroso said:

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KaiBear said:

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Porteroso said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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CammoTX said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Slavery was terrible, no doubt.

The fact that the U.S. has been having to babysit the dysfunctional descendants of slaves for 180 years who cann seem to get their **** together is almost as bad.

We should have sent them all back to LIberia and saved us the headaches.

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Well we made it so easy for them to prosper after they were freed, right?

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Actually for the last half century plus it has been made relatively easy for them to prosper - at least for those intelligent enough to make wise decisions (and joining a gang, dealing drugs, dropping out of school, getting pregnant out of wedlock as a teenager, and being satisfied to live off of the taxpayer dole are examples of bad ones). It's just that sadly statistically few of them take advantage of it.

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Generational poverty is just difficult to get out of, and guess how most get into generational poverty?

You say it is easy, but it is not. Some extreme ignorance being displayed.

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Life has never been 'easy'.

And every ethnic in the US initially faced huge obstacles.

Most climbed out of generational poverty with the help of FAMILY.

Not government.

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Come back when you can post something that makes sense.

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OK; here goes.



Based on your various comments it is easy to conclude you are an inexperienced, bubble insulated, mediocrity who has rarely lived or worked where minorities were the dominant demographic.

Spend a few weeks in South Oak Cliff, East St Louis, New Orleans , or South El Paso.

You will obtain a real education and it won't cost your Daddy one additional cent.

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Absolutely NOT...

[East St. Louis, Il., has the nation's highest murder rate, report the Belleville (IL) News-Democrat and St. Louis Public Radio. The chances of being murdered in East St. Louis are 19 times greater than the national average.]

[According to Jeff Asher, a data analyst, a total of 193 people were killed in New Orleans in 2023, which is a drop from 266 people killed in 2022. The years 2020 through 2022 were the nation's highest for murder rates. In 2022, there were 266 killings in New Orleans]

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I know about East Saint Louis .

Been there.

But every bubble insulated individual could learn some real facts of life spending a week there .

For that matter the same reality check can be obtained in Oakland, east LA, Monroe Louisiana, Gary Indiana, or a host of other minority dominated communities throughout the US.


But the woke crowd instinctively knows the risk of having their illusions shattered .

So they make their excuses and never get the real education they so desperately need.

KaiBear said:

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Porteroso said:

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KaiBear said:

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Porteroso said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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CammoTX said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Slavery was terrible, no doubt.

The fact that the U.S. has been having to babysit the dysfunctional descendants of slaves for 180 years who cann seem to get their **** together is almost as bad.

We should have sent them all back to LIberia and saved us the headaches.

---

Well we made it so easy for them to prosper after they were freed, right?

---

Actually for the last half century plus it has been made relatively easy for them to prosper - at least for those intelligent enough to make wise decisions (and joining a gang, dealing drugs, dropping out of school, getting pregnant out of wedlock as a teenager, and being satisfied to live off of the taxpayer dole are examples of bad ones). It's just that sadly statistically few of them take advantage of it.

---

Generational poverty is just difficult to get out of, and guess how most get into generational poverty?

You say it is easy, but it is not. Some extreme ignorance being displayed.

---

Life has never been 'easy'.

And every ethnic in the US initially faced huge obstacles.

Most climbed out of generational poverty with the help of FAMILY.

Not government.

---

Come back when you can post something that makes sense.

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OK; here goes.



Based on your various comments it is easy to conclude you are an inexperienced, bubble insulated, mediocrity who has rarely lived or worked where minorities were the dominant demographic.

Spend a few weeks in South Oak Cliff, East St Louis, New Orleans , or South El Paso.

You will obtain a real education and it won't cost your Daddy one additional cent.

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Stupid. Post my response with a response and you'll get an argument. Cherry pick 1 sentence with 0 context or answer and you'll get nothing. Be a dumbell or a person.

Porteroso said:

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KaiBear said:

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Porteroso said:

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KaiBear said:

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Porteroso said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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CammoTX said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Slavery was terrible, no doubt.

The fact that the U.S. has been having to babysit the dysfunctional descendants of slaves for 180 years who cann seem to get their **** together is almost as bad.

We should have sent them all back to LIberia and saved us the headaches.

---

Well we made it so easy for them to prosper after they were freed, right?

---

Actually for the last half century plus it has been made relatively easy for them to prosper - at least for those intelligent enough to make wise decisions (and joining a gang, dealing drugs, dropping out of school, getting pregnant out of wedlock as a teenager, and being satisfied to live off of the taxpayer dole are examples of bad ones). It's just that sadly statistically few of them take advantage of it.

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Generational poverty is just difficult to get out of, and guess how most get into generational poverty?

You say it is easy, but it is not. Some extreme ignorance being displayed.

---

Life has never been 'easy'.

And every ethnic in the US initially faced huge obstacles.

Most climbed out of generational poverty with the help of FAMILY.

Not government.

---

Come back when you can post something that makes sense.

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OK; here goes.



Based on your various comments it is easy to conclude you are an inexperienced, bubble insulated, mediocrity who has rarely lived or worked where minorities were the dominant demographic.

Spend a few weeks in South Oak Cliff, East St Louis, New Orleans , or South El Paso.

You will obtain a real education and it won't cost your Daddy one additional cent.

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Stupid. Post my response with a response and you'll get an argument. Cherry pick 1 sentence with 0 context or answer and you'll get nothing. Be a dumbell or a person.

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Your typical irrelevant deflection.

Stay in your bubble .

KaiBear said:

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Porteroso said:

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KaiBear said:

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Porteroso said:

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KaiBear said:

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Porteroso said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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CammoTX said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Slavery was terrible, no doubt.

The fact that the U.S. has been having to babysit the dysfunctional descendants of slaves for 180 years who cann seem to get their **** together is almost as bad.

We should have sent them all back to LIberia and saved us the headaches.

---

Well we made it so easy for them to prosper after they were freed, right?

---

Actually for the last half century plus it has been made relatively easy for them to prosper - at least for those intelligent enough to make wise decisions (and joining a gang, dealing drugs, dropping out of school, getting pregnant out of wedlock as a teenager, and being satisfied to live off of the taxpayer dole are examples of bad ones). It's just that sadly statistically few of them take advantage of it.

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Generational poverty is just difficult to get out of, and guess how most get into generational poverty?

You say it is easy, but it is not. Some extreme ignorance being displayed.

---

Life has never been 'easy'.

And every ethnic in the US initially faced huge obstacles.

Most climbed out of generational poverty with the help of FAMILY.

Not government.

---

Come back when you can post something that makes sense.

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OK; here goes.



Based on your various comments it is easy to conclude you are an inexperienced, bubble insulated, mediocrity who has rarely lived or worked where minorities were the dominant demographic.

Spend a few weeks in South Oak Cliff, East St Louis, New Orleans , or South El Paso.

You will obtain a real education and it won't cost your Daddy one additional cent.

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Stupid. Post my response with a response and you'll get an argument. Cherry pick 1 sentence with 0 context or answer and you'll get nothing. Be a dumbell or a person.

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Your typical irrelevant deflection.

Stay in your bubble .

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Your ad hominem attacks are deflection. I'm having real conversations, not downplaying generational poverty and how difficult it is to get out of it.

You miss the point entirely on family v government. You are correct that it is much better for the community to help out people in need than government, but the need is actually more than community run organizations can handle. You seem to imply that because family beats government, the government should do nothing. Huge logical disconnect. Makes 0 sense. I won't argue with something that makes 0 sense, just tell you to try harder.

Again, I can engage if you can out a little effort in. Your constant attempts to belittle me, my education, my wealth status, are just pathetic.

Porteroso said:

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KaiBear said:

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Porteroso said:

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KaiBear said:

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Porteroso said:

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KaiBear said:

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Porteroso said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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CammoTX said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Slavery was terrible, no doubt.

The fact that the U.S. has been having to babysit the dysfunctional descendants of slaves for 180 years who cann seem to get their **** together is almost as bad.

We should have sent them all back to LIberia and saved us the headaches.

---

Well we made it so easy for them to prosper after they were freed, right?

---

Actually for the last half century plus it has been made relatively easy for them to prosper - at least for those intelligent enough to make wise decisions (and joining a gang, dealing drugs, dropping out of school, getting pregnant out of wedlock as a teenager, and being satisfied to live off of the taxpayer dole are examples of bad ones). It's just that sadly statistically few of them take advantage of it.

---

Generational poverty is just difficult to get out of, and guess how most get into generational poverty?

You say it is easy, but it is not. Some extreme ignorance being displayed.

---

Life has never been 'easy'.

And every ethnic in the US initially faced huge obstacles.

Most climbed out of generational poverty with the help of FAMILY.

Not government.

---

Come back when you can post something that makes sense.

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OK; here goes.



Based on your various comments it is easy to conclude you are an inexperienced, bubble insulated, mediocrity who has rarely lived or worked where minorities were the dominant demographic.

Spend a few weeks in South Oak Cliff, East St Louis, New Orleans , or South El Paso.

You will obtain a real education and it won't cost your Daddy one additional cent.

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Stupid. Post my response with a response and you'll get an argument. Cherry pick 1 sentence with 0 context or answer and you'll get nothing. Be a dumbell or a person.

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Your typical irrelevant deflection.

Stay in your bubble .

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Your ad hominem attacks are deflection. I'm having real conversations, not downplaying generational poverty and how difficult it is to get out of it.

You miss the point entirely on family v government. You are correct that it is much better for the community to help out people in need than government, but the need is actually more than community run organizations can handle. You seem to imply that because family beats government, the government should do nothing. Huge logical disconnect. Makes 0 sense. I won't argue with something that makes 0 sense, just tell you to try harder.

Again, I can engage if you can out a little effort in. Your constant attempts to belittle me, my education, my wealth status, are just pathetic.

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What is really 'pathetic' is


A. Your obvious lack of real world experience.
B. Unwillingness to acquire real world experience.
C. The illogical and occasionally irrational comments you make in the vain attempt to be taken seriously.




Have a nice day.

KaiBear said:

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Porteroso said:

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KaiBear said:

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Porteroso said:

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KaiBear said:

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Porteroso said:

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KaiBear said:

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Porteroso said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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CammoTX said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Slavery was terrible, no doubt.

The fact that the U.S. has been having to babysit the dysfunctional descendants of slaves for 180 years who cann seem to get their **** together is almost as bad.

We should have sent them all back to LIberia and saved us the headaches.

---

Well we made it so easy for them to prosper after they were freed, right?

---

Actually for the last half century plus it has been made relatively easy for them to prosper - at least for those intelligent enough to make wise decisions (and joining a gang, dealing drugs, dropping out of school, getting pregnant out of wedlock as a teenager, and being satisfied to live off of the taxpayer dole are examples of bad ones). It's just that sadly statistically few of them take advantage of it.

---

Generational poverty is just difficult to get out of, and guess how most get into generational poverty?

You say it is easy, but it is not. Some extreme ignorance being displayed.

---

Life has never been 'easy'.

And every ethnic in the US initially faced huge obstacles.

Most climbed out of generational poverty with the help of FAMILY.

Not government.

---

Come back when you can post something that makes sense.

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OK; here goes.



Based on your various comments it is easy to conclude you are an inexperienced, bubble insulated, mediocrity who has rarely lived or worked where minorities were the dominant demographic.

Spend a few weeks in South Oak Cliff, East St Louis, New Orleans , or South El Paso.

You will obtain a real education and it won't cost your Daddy one additional cent.

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Stupid. Post my response with a response and you'll get an argument. Cherry pick 1 sentence with 0 context or answer and you'll get nothing. Be a dumbell or a person.

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Your typical irrelevant deflection.

Stay in your bubble .

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Your ad hominem attacks are deflection. I'm having real conversations, not downplaying generational poverty and how difficult it is to get out of it.

You miss the point entirely on family v government. You are correct that it is much better for the community to help out people in need than government, but the need is actually more than community run organizations can handle. You seem to imply that because family beats government, the government should do nothing. Huge logical disconnect. Makes 0 sense. I won't argue with something that makes 0 sense, just tell you to try harder.

Again, I can engage if you can out a little effort in. Your constant attempts to belittle me, my education, my wealth status, are just pathetic.

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What is really 'pathetic' is


A. Your obvious lack of real world experience.
B. Unwillingness to acquire real world experience.
C. The illogical and occasionally irrational comments you make in the vain attempt to be taken seriously.




Have a nice day.

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When did you switch from bragging about your 13 mobile homes you rent out to being an OG from the hood?

ron.reagan said:

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KaiBear said:

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Porteroso said:

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KaiBear said:

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Porteroso said:

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KaiBear said:

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Porteroso said:

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KaiBear said:

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Porteroso said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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CammoTX said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Slavery was terrible, no doubt.

The fact that the U.S. has been having to babysit the dysfunctional descendants of slaves for 180 years who cann seem to get their **** together is almost as bad.

We should have sent them all back to LIberia and saved us the headaches.

---

Well we made it so easy for them to prosper after they were freed, right?

---

Actually for the last half century plus it has been made relatively easy for them to prosper - at least for those intelligent enough to make wise decisions (and joining a gang, dealing drugs, dropping out of school, getting pregnant out of wedlock as a teenager, and being satisfied to live off of the taxpayer dole are examples of bad ones). It's just that sadly statistically few of them take advantage of it.

---

Generational poverty is just difficult to get out of, and guess how most get into generational poverty?

You say it is easy, but it is not. Some extreme ignorance being displayed.

---

Life has never been 'easy'.

And every ethnic in the US initially faced huge obstacles.

Most climbed out of generational poverty with the help of FAMILY.

Not government.

---

Come back when you can post something that makes sense.

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OK; here goes.



Based on your various comments it is easy to conclude you are an inexperienced, bubble insulated, mediocrity who has rarely lived or worked where minorities were the dominant demographic.

Spend a few weeks in South Oak Cliff, East St Louis, New Orleans , or South El Paso.

You will obtain a real education and it won't cost your Daddy one additional cent.

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Stupid. Post my response with a response and you'll get an argument. Cherry pick 1 sentence with 0 context or answer and you'll get nothing. Be a dumbell or a person.

---

Your typical irrelevant deflection.

Stay in your bubble .

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Your ad hominem attacks are deflection. I'm having real conversations, not downplaying generational poverty and how difficult it is to get out of it.

You miss the point entirely on family v government. You are correct that it is much better for the community to help out people in need than government, but the need is actually more than community run organizations can handle. You seem to imply that because family beats government, the government should do nothing. Huge logical disconnect. Makes 0 sense. I won't argue with something that makes 0 sense, just tell you to try harder.

Again, I can engage if you can out a little effort in. Your constant attempts to belittle me, my education, my wealth status, are just pathetic.

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What is really 'pathetic' is


A. Your obvious lack of real world experience.
B. Unwillingness to acquire real world experience.
C. The illogical and occasionally irrational comments you make in the vain attempt to be taken seriously.




Have a nice day.

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When did you switch from bragging about your 13 mobile homes you rent out to being an OG from the hood?

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LOL

It's cute how you follow me around .


FYI it's 19 stick built single family homes average value approximately $ 575,000.

Closing on another May 24th. 4 bed 3 bath, 2000sf finished with a 1000sf unfinished basement and a 3 car garage.

The builder ( who I competed against for years ) screwed up the garage service door so my guys will probably have to re install one after closing.

Oh yeah, I unwillingly had years of 'hood experience' at Dallas Skyline High School in the early 70's.

Best 'education' the Black Panthers could provide.

Now run along Ron and try to find a girl friend. Will probably have to settle for a fat one but beggars can't be choosers.

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Spend a few weeks in South Oak Cliff, East St Louis, New Orleans , or South El Paso

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Just make sure your life insurance premiums are paid before you go.

Pro tip: to save money, book a one way ticket.

Realitybites said:

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Spend a few weeks in South Oak Cliff, East St Louis, New Orleans , or South El Paso

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Just make sure your life insurance premiums are paid before you go.

Pro tip: to save money, book a one way ticket.

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LOL

Good advice.

KaiBear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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KaiBear said:

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Porteroso said:

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KaiBear said:

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Porteroso said:

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KaiBear said:

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Porteroso said:

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KaiBear said:

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Porteroso said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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CammoTX said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Slavery was terrible, no doubt.

The fact that the U.S. has been having to babysit the dysfunctional descendants of slaves for 180 years who cann seem to get their **** together is almost as bad.

We should have sent them all back to LIberia and saved us the headaches.

---

Well we made it so easy for them to prosper after they were freed, right?

---

Actually for the last half century plus it has been made relatively easy for them to prosper - at least for those intelligent enough to make wise decisions (and joining a gang, dealing drugs, dropping out of school, getting pregnant out of wedlock as a teenager, and being satisfied to live off of the taxpayer dole are examples of bad ones). It's just that sadly statistically few of them take advantage of it.

---

Generational poverty is just difficult to get out of, and guess how most get into generational poverty?

You say it is easy, but it is not. Some extreme ignorance being displayed.

---

Life has never been 'easy'.

And every ethnic in the US initially faced huge obstacles.

Most climbed out of generational poverty with the help of FAMILY.

Not government.

---

Come back when you can post something that makes sense.

---

OK; here goes.



Based on your various comments it is easy to conclude you are an inexperienced, bubble insulated, mediocrity who has rarely lived or worked where minorities were the dominant demographic.

Spend a few weeks in South Oak Cliff, East St Louis, New Orleans , or South El Paso.

You will obtain a real education and it won't cost your Daddy one additional cent.

---

Stupid. Post my response with a response and you'll get an argument. Cherry pick 1 sentence with 0 context or answer and you'll get nothing. Be a dumbell or a person.

---

Your typical irrelevant deflection.

Stay in your bubble .

---

Your ad hominem attacks are deflection. I'm having real conversations, not downplaying generational poverty and how difficult it is to get out of it.

You miss the point entirely on family v government. You are correct that it is much better for the community to help out people in need than government, but the need is actually more than community run organizations can handle. You seem to imply that because family beats government, the government should do nothing. Huge logical disconnect. Makes 0 sense. I won't argue with something that makes 0 sense, just tell you to try harder.

Again, I can engage if you can out a little effort in. Your constant attempts to belittle me, my education, my wealth status, are just pathetic.

---

What is really 'pathetic' is


A. Your obvious lack of real world experience.
B. Unwillingness to acquire real world experience.
C. The illogical and occasionally irrational comments you make in the vain attempt to be taken seriously.




Have a nice day.

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When did you switch from bragging about your 13 mobile homes you rent out to being an OG from the hood?

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LOL

It's cute how you follow me around .


FYI it's 19 stick built single family homes average value approximately $ 575,000.

Closing on another May 24th. 4 bed 3 bath, 2000sf finished with a 1000sf unfinished basement and a 3 car garage.

The builder ( who I competed against for years ) screwed up the garage service door so my guys will probably have to re install one after closing.

Oh yeah, I unwillingly had years of 'hood experience' at Dallas Skyline High School in the early 70's.

Best 'education' the Black Panthers could provide.

Now run along Ron and try to find a girl friend. Will probably have to settle for a fat one but beggars can't be choosers.

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I've never seen someone layout the details of their mediocrity before like that.

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Slavery was terrible, no doubt.

The fact that the U.S. has been having to babysit the dysfunctional descendants of slaves for 180 years who cann seem to get their **** together is almost as bad.

We should have sent them all back to LIberia and saved us the headaches.

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Well we made it so easy for them to prosper after they were freed, right?

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Actually for the last half century plus it has been made relatively easy for them to prosper - at least for those intelligent enough to make wise decisions (and joining a gang, dealing drugs, dropping out of school, getting pregnant out of wedlock as a teenager, and being satisfied to live off of the taxpayer dole are examples of bad ones). It's just that sadly statistically few of them take advantage of it.

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Generational poverty is just difficult to get out of, and guess how most get into generational poverty?

You say it is easy, but it is not. Some extreme ignorance being displayed.

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Life has never been 'easy'.

And every ethnic in the US initially faced huge obstacles.

Most climbed out of generational poverty with the help of FAMILY.

Not government.

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Come back when you can post something that makes sense.

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OK; here goes.



Based on your various comments it is easy to conclude you are an inexperienced, bubble insulated, mediocrity who has rarely lived or worked where minorities were the dominant demographic.

Spend a few weeks in South Oak Cliff, East St Louis, New Orleans , or South El Paso.

You will obtain a real education and it won't cost your Daddy one additional cent.

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Stupid. Post my response with a response and you'll get an argument. Cherry pick 1 sentence with 0 context or answer and you'll get nothing. Be a dumbell or a person.

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Your typical irrelevant deflection.

Stay in your bubble .

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Your ad hominem attacks are deflection. I'm having real conversations, not downplaying generational poverty and how difficult it is to get out of it.

You miss the point entirely on family v government. You are correct that it is much better for the community to help out people in need than government, but the need is actually more than community run organizations can handle. You seem to imply that because family beats government, the government should do nothing. Huge logical disconnect. Makes 0 sense. I won't argue with something that makes 0 sense, just tell you to try harder.

Again, I can engage if you can out a little effort in. Your constant attempts to belittle me, my education, my wealth status, are just pathetic.

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What is really 'pathetic' is


A. Your obvious lack of real world experience.
B. Unwillingness to acquire real world experience.
C. The illogical and occasionally irrational comments you make in the vain attempt to be taken seriously.




Have a nice day.

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When did you switch from bragging about your 13 mobile homes you rent out to being an OG from the hood?

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LOL

It's cute how you follow me around .


FYI it's 19 stick built single family homes average value approximately $ 575,000.

Closing on another May 24th. 4 bed 3 bath, 2000sf finished with a 1000sf unfinished basement and a 3 car garage.

The builder ( who I competed against for years ) screwed up the garage service door so my guys will probably have to re install one after closing.

Oh yeah, I unwillingly had years of 'hood experience' at Dallas Skyline High School in the early 70's.

Best 'education' the Black Panthers could provide.

Now run along Ron and try to find a girl friend. Will probably have to settle for a fat one but beggars can't be choosers.

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I've never seen someone layout the details of their mediocrity before like that.

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And yet its success you could not dream of achieving

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ron.reagan said:

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ron.reagan said:

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KaiBear said:

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Porteroso said:

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KaiBear said:

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Porteroso said:

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KaiBear said:

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Porteroso said:

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KaiBear said:

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Porteroso said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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CammoTX said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Slavery was terrible, no doubt.

The fact that the U.S. has been having to babysit the dysfunctional descendants of slaves for 180 years who cann seem to get their **** together is almost as bad.

We should have sent them all back to LIberia and saved us the headaches.

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Well we made it so easy for them to prosper after they were freed, right?

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Actually for the last half century plus it has been made relatively easy for them to prosper - at least for those intelligent enough to make wise decisions (and joining a gang, dealing drugs, dropping out of school, getting pregnant out of wedlock as a teenager, and being satisfied to live off of the taxpayer dole are examples of bad ones). It's just that sadly statistically few of them take advantage of it.

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Generational poverty is just difficult to get out of, and guess how most get into generational poverty?

You say it is easy, but it is not. Some extreme ignorance being displayed.

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Life has never been 'easy'.

And every ethnic in the US initially faced huge obstacles.

Most climbed out of generational poverty with the help of FAMILY.

Not government.

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Come back when you can post something that makes sense.

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OK; here goes.



Based on your various comments it is easy to conclude you are an inexperienced, bubble insulated, mediocrity who has rarely lived or worked where minorities were the dominant demographic.

Spend a few weeks in South Oak Cliff, East St Louis, New Orleans , or South El Paso.

You will obtain a real education and it won't cost your Daddy one additional cent.

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Stupid. Post my response with a response and you'll get an argument. Cherry pick 1 sentence with 0 context or answer and you'll get nothing. Be a dumbell or a person.

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Your typical irrelevant deflection.

Stay in your bubble .

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Your ad hominem attacks are deflection. I'm having real conversations, not downplaying generational poverty and how difficult it is to get out of it.

You miss the point entirely on family v government. You are correct that it is much better for the community to help out people in need than government, but the need is actually more than community run organizations can handle. You seem to imply that because family beats government, the government should do nothing. Huge logical disconnect. Makes 0 sense. I won't argue with something that makes 0 sense, just tell you to try harder.

Again, I can engage if you can out a little effort in. Your constant attempts to belittle me, my education, my wealth status, are just pathetic.

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What is really 'pathetic' is


A. Your obvious lack of real world experience.
B. Unwillingness to acquire real world experience.
C. The illogical and occasionally irrational comments you make in the vain attempt to be taken seriously.




Have a nice day.

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When did you switch from bragging about your 13 mobile homes you rent out to being an OG from the hood?

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LOL

It's cute how you follow me around .


FYI it's 19 stick built single family homes average value approximately $ 575,000.

Closing on another May 24th. 4 bed 3 bath, 2000sf finished with a 1000sf unfinished basement and a 3 car garage.

The builder ( who I competed against for years ) screwed up the garage service door so my guys will probably have to re install one after closing.

Oh yeah, I unwillingly had years of 'hood experience' at Dallas Skyline High School in the early 70's.

Best 'education' the Black Panthers could provide.

Now run along Ron and try to find a girl friend. Will probably have to settle for a fat one but beggars can't be choosers.

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I've never seen someone layout the details of their mediocrity before like that.

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And yet its success you could not dream of achieving

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The broken garage door?

I'm far from some woke campus protester, but the confederacy was 100% about preserving and indeed expanding the institution of slavery to other states. They seceded for states rights. Specifically, states rights to own slaves. It's why their constitutions basically mirrored the US Constitution except for the issue of slavery which was specifically written into their constitutions as a right

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I'm far from some woke campus protester, but the confederacy was 100% about preserving and indeed expanding the institution of slavery to other states. They seceded for states rights. Specifically, states rights to own slaves. It's why their constitutions basically mirrored the US Constitution except for the issue of slavery which was specifically written into their constitutions as a right

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That discounts that certain States seceded for different reasons.

Virginia and the upland South States specifically seceded only when Lincoln called for troops to force the Deep South States back into the Union.


[On January 1, 1860, John Letcher, who had been elected, as a decidedly Union man, on May 26, 1859, was inaugurated governor of Virginia. He sent a strong message to the general assembly, recommending the adoption of resolutions for calling a convention of the States of the Union to consider the condition of the country and provide some remedy for the existing state of political affairs, since, in his opinion, there must be a speedy settlement of the controversy if the Union was to be preserved, to which end everything should be done "consistent with honor, patriotism and duty."]

[By the Governor of Virginia.
a Proclamation.

Whereas, seven of the States formerly composing a part of the United States, have, by authority of their people, solemnly resumed the powers granted by them to the United States, and have framed a Constitution and organized a Government for themselves, to which the people of those States are yielding willing obedience, and have so notified the President of the United States by all the formalities incident to such action, and thereby become to the United States a separate, independent and foreign power; and, whereas, the Constitution of the United States has invested Congress with the sole power '"to declare war,"' and until such declaration is made the President has no authority to call for an extraordinary force to wage offensive war against any foreign power; and, whereas, on the 15th inst., the President of the United States, in plain violation of the Constitution, has issued a Proclamation calling for a force of seventy-five thousand men, to cause the laws of the United States to be duly executed over a people who are no longer a part of the Union, and in said Proclamation threatens to exert this unusual force to compel obedience to his mandates; and, whereas, the General Assembly of Virginia, by a majority approaching to entire unanimity, has declared, at its last session, that the State of Virginia would consider such an exertion of force as a virtual declaration of war, to be resisted by all the power at the command of Virginia; and subsequently, the Convention now in session, representing the sovereignty of this State, has re-affirmed in substance the same policy, by almost equal unanimity]

Abolitionist sentiment in the North at the time is now grossly overestimated…

"In the hearts of the people of Massachusetts there is not, nor ever has been, any feeling of hatred for the South. Our brethren do not understand how a few active and unscrupulous men can appear to have so much influence…before many years, the name of Abolitionist will be remembered only with contempt, & its dishonest efforts to obtain power a subject of derision… their pretended love for slaves a thousand miles away, is but hypocrisy. If they loved mankind, & would prevent sin, & suffering & wrong, they could find here at home objects more than sufficient for the exercise of all their assumed virtues… We see plainly that the ceaseless falsehoods which have misled the South as to our true feelings, and the rash and wicked deeds which are charged upon our whole people, are due to a small but active and unscrupulous party of Abolitionists"
-Massachusetts Working men 2/20/1861

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Abolitionist sentiment in the North at the time is now grossly overestimated…

"In the hearts of the people of Massachusetts there is not, nor ever has been, any feeling of hatred for the South. Our brethren do not understand how a few active and unscrupulous men can appear to have so much influence…before many years, the name of Abolitionist will be remembered only with contempt, & its dishonest efforts to obtain power a subject of derision… their pretended love for slaves a thousand miles away, is but hypocrisy. If they loved mankind, & would prevent sin, & suffering & wrong, they could find here at home objects more than sufficient for the exercise of all their assumed virtues… We see plainly that the ceaseless falsehoods which have misled the South as to our true feelings, and the rash and wicked deeds which are charged upon our whole people, are due to a small but active and unscrupulous party of Abolitionists"
-Massachusetts Working men 2/20/1861

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Oh plenty of people in the north held pro south sentiment. Some of those were pro slavery, some of those were against it. I don't think you can point to one or two publications or opinion pieces of the day to generalize sentiment about slavery across the entire north. It'd be a bit like saying that all young people in America hate Israel because of a vocal minority protesting and getting lots of media attention. My overall point was that the Civil War was primarily fought over the issue of slavery. And again, the southern elite didn't just want to preserve slavery, they wanted it expanded to the western territories. Overall, the institution of slavery is sinful. Kidnapping someone and selling them into slavery was a death sentence in ancient Israel, so biblical arguments supporting American slavery (Even Stonewall Jackson was a proslavery Sunday school teacher) are twisted and evil. Notice that even in the quote you posted, it's like the author didn't want to deny that slavery was evil. They mainly were trying to deflect focus away from it. Classic example of justifying evil behavior.

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Redbrickbear said:

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Abolitionist sentiment in the North at the time is now grossly overestimated…

"In the hearts of the people of Massachusetts there is not, nor ever has been, any feeling of hatred for the South. Our brethren do not understand how a few active and unscrupulous men can appear to have so much influence…before many years, the name of Abolitionist will be remembered only with contempt, & its dishonest efforts to obtain power a subject of derision… their pretended love for slaves a thousand miles away, is but hypocrisy. If they loved mankind, & would prevent sin, & suffering & wrong, they could find here at home objects more than sufficient for the exercise of all their assumed virtues… We see plainly that the ceaseless falsehoods which have misled the South as to our true feelings, and the rash and wicked deeds which are charged upon our whole people, are due to a small but active and unscrupulous party of Abolitionists"
-Massachusetts Working men 2/20/1861

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My overall point was that the Civil War was primarily fought over the issue of slavery..

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But it was not

It was 100% fought over the issue of secession


(Now if secession was only about slavery is another topic to be discussed)

But the war itself was over secession.

Lincoln and the Northern leadership were not trying to fight a war to free slaves. And did not care if the Southern States held slaves as long as they stayed loyal to the Union and paid their taxes on time to the central government.


"I say that we must NOT interfere with the institution of slavery in the states where it exists, because the constitution forbids it, and the general welfare does not require us to do so." (Lincoln).

"I have no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the States where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so".(Lincoln)

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"we desire to go in peace...& it is for them (Federal government) to determine whether we shall do so or not; and whether commerce, the great pacificator of earth, is to connect us as producers, manufacturers, & consumers, in future friendly relations.
-Sen. Mallory of FL 1/22/1861

"We have refused to furnish soldiers to aid a sectional Administration in its nefarious attempt to overturn the Constitution"
-Tennessee Assembly, 4/24/1861

ron.reagan said:

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KaiBear said:

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Porteroso said:

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KaiBear said:

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Porteroso said:

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KaiBear said:

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Porteroso said:

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KaiBear said:

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Porteroso said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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CammoTX said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Slavery was terrible, no doubt.

The fact that the U.S. has been having to babysit the dysfunctional descendants of slaves for 180 years who cann seem to get their **** together is almost as bad.

We should have sent them all back to LIberia and saved us the headaches.

---

Well we made it so easy for them to prosper after they were freed, right?

---

Actually for the last half century plus it has been made relatively easy for them to prosper - at least for those intelligent enough to make wise decisions (and joining a gang, dealing drugs, dropping out of school, getting pregnant out of wedlock as a teenager, and being satisfied to live off of the taxpayer dole are examples of bad ones). It's just that sadly statistically few of them take advantage of it.

---

Generational poverty is just difficult to get out of, and guess how most get into generational poverty?

You say it is easy, but it is not. Some extreme ignorance being displayed.

---

Life has never been 'easy'.

And every ethnic in the US initially faced huge obstacles.

Most climbed out of generational poverty with the help of FAMILY.

Not government.

---

Come back when you can post something that makes sense.

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OK; here goes.



Based on your various comments it is easy to conclude you are an inexperienced, bubble insulated, mediocrity who has rarely lived or worked where minorities were the dominant demographic.

Spend a few weeks in South Oak Cliff, East St Louis, New Orleans , or South El Paso.

You will obtain a real education and it won't cost your Daddy one additional cent.

---

Stupid. Post my response with a response and you'll get an argument. Cherry pick 1 sentence with 0 context or answer and you'll get nothing. Be a dumbell or a person.

---

Your typical irrelevant deflection.

Stay in your bubble .

---

Your ad hominem attacks are deflection. I'm having real conversations, not downplaying generational poverty and how difficult it is to get out of it.

You miss the point entirely on family v government. You are correct that it is much better for the community to help out people in need than government, but the need is actually more than community run organizations can handle. You seem to imply that because family beats government, the government should do nothing. Huge logical disconnect. Makes 0 sense. I won't argue with something that makes 0 sense, just tell you to try harder.

Again, I can engage if you can out a little effort in. Your constant attempts to belittle me, my education, my wealth status, are just pathetic.

---

What is really 'pathetic' is


A. Your obvious lack of real world experience.
B. Unwillingness to acquire real world experience.
C. The illogical and occasionally irrational comments you make in the vain attempt to be taken seriously.




Have a nice day.

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When did you switch from bragging about your 13 mobile homes you rent out to being an OG from the hood?

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Don't forget how rich the progeny he sired are. They so rich! Makes his opinion so right! Facts be damned.