If abortion only allowed for rape and incest

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nein51
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Except it's not. There's a large group of people that are just anti abortion for any reason. Their logic is probably the most congruent; if it's killing then it's killing regardless of the reason why.

Which doesn't change the fact the the Republican Party (of which I'm a member) refuses to pursue reasonable restrictions:
1) no later than 6 weeks
2) rape
3) incest
4) instances where the mother might die

You would get very widespread support for that. Especially if X equaled 16 weeks, give or take. If you accompany that with streamlining the adoption process the only objectors remaining would be the 5% of both ends of the spectrum and we have got to stop pandering to them.
ShooterTX
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nein51 said:

Except it's not. There's a large group of people that are just anti abortion for any reason. Their logic is probably the most congruent; if it's killing then it's killing regardless of the reason why.

Which doesn't change the fact the the Republican Party (of which I'm a member) refuses to pursue reasonable restrictions:
1) no later than 6 weeks
2) rape
3) incest
4) instances where the mother might die

You would get very widespread support for that. Especially if X equaled 16 weeks, give or take. If you accompany that with streamlining the adoption process the only objectors remaining would be the 5% of both ends of the spectrum and we have got to stop pandering to them.


I don't totally disagree with you, just letting you know why si many are unwilling to exempt rape & incest cases.

I've never met a republican who opposed an exemption for the life of the mother. That seems to be universally accepted.

Adoption redtape is definitely something that everyone should agree upon.

I personally would accept #2, #3 and #4 listed above... but I can guarantee that the democrats would radically oppose that compromise. I know this because they have opposed it for decades.
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nein51
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You won't accept #1 which amounts, essentially, to a total abortion ban. In spite of what you see on the news the vast majority of the country (I think around 70+ % when polled) would agree to all 4 of those if offered. Neither party will do that.
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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:


According to the ALABAMA supreme court they are the same.
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ShooterTX said:

Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

ShooterTX said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

By making pornhub illegal, Texas has stopped the murder of millions of babies by the hand sock.


You have to be a special kind of stupid to believe that sperm all on it's own, is the same as a baby.
But its perfectly fine to call a fertilized cluster of cells a baby. What about a zygote? Is that a baby?
Yes.
It is basic biology. What distinguishes a one human from another is a unique set of 23 chromosome pairs.
Sperm has 23 individual chromosomes and the egg has another 23. When they combine, the 46 chromosomes form a unique set of 23 chromosome pairs... a unique human being.

If you knew basic biology, you would know that science PROVES that human life begins at conception
Abortion has been around for a long time. The Bible does seem to say life begins at first breath. Gen 2.7, Job 33:4. Exodus 21 says that beating a woman to the point of miscarriage determines a fine. Killing the woman is met with execution (life for a life). why does killing the unborn just result in a fine?
Egyptians had been using abortion for centuries in Biblical times. Others of the same time period had laws against abortion. Our Bible says it warrants a fine while death warrants an execution.

Sperm are alive and can live in womens organs for up to 5 days. Not so long when they are misplaced. They metabolize sugars, grow, swim like champs, and die.

Science proves that human life begins at conception based on the definition of life you use. The Bible says it begins with the first breath.

Its been fun. Repubs trying to make other people conform to their definitions and rules will ruin the party. concentrate on reforming immigration, lowering the debt and fixing health care.


Coke Bear
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ShooterTX said:

I've never met a republican who opposed an exemption for the life of the mother. That seems to be universally accepted.
Just a small point of contention here.

How will an abortion save a mother's life?

It won't.

For instance, when a pregnant mother has, say, uterine cancer, she can elect to carry the baby as far to term before beginning treatment. She risks her likelihood of survival by waiting for the baby to mature long enough to deliver. Very heroic.

She could elect to remove the cancerous uterus now to prevent the cancer from spreading throughout her body. As an UNINTENDED consequence, the baby in the ill-fated uterus dies. The is the principle of double-effect. This is NOT an abortion. The mother did NOT want the baby to die. She most likely would have carried the baby to term, but the uterus was not capable due to disease.

Abortions don't save lives. They end them.
Mitch Blood Green
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ShooterTX said:

nein51 said:

Except it's not. There's a large group of people that are just anti abortion for any reason. Their logic is probably the most congruent; if it's killing then it's killing regardless of the reason why.

Which doesn't change the fact the the Republican Party (of which I'm a member) refuses to pursue reasonable restrictions:
1) no later than 6 weeks
2) rape
3) incest
4) instances where the mother might die

You would get very widespread support for that. Especially if X equaled 16 weeks, give or take. If you accompany that with streamlining the adoption process the only objectors remaining would be the 5% of both ends of the spectrum and we have got to stop pandering to them.


I don't totally disagree with you, just letting you know why si many are unwilling to exempt rape & incest cases.

I've never met a republican who opposed an exemption for the life of the mother. That seems to be universally accepted.

Adoption redtape is definitely something that everyone should agree upon.

I personally would accept #2, #3 and #4 listed above... but I can guarantee that the democrats would radically oppose that compromise. I know this because they have opposed it for decades.



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Mitch Blood Green
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ShooterTX said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

By making pornhub illegal, Texas has stopped the murder of millions of babies by the hand sock.


You have to be a special kind of stupid to believe that sperm all on it's own, is the same as a baby.


Life begins at ejaculation.





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GrowlTowel
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Bestweekeverr said:

If a fertility clinic is on fire and you can only save one, do you save the tray of 1,000 fertilized embryos or one baby?


How clever you must feel. What is your answer?
Your ideas are intriguing to me, and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
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Mitch Blood Green said:

ShooterTX said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

By making pornhub illegal, Texas has stopped the murder of millions of babies by the hand sock.


You have to be a special kind of stupid to believe that sperm all on it's own, is the same as a baby.


Life begins at ejaculation.









How clever you must feel. Thanks for your contribution to the discussion. The 65 million murdered thank you.
Your ideas are intriguing to me, and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
Coke Bear
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GrowlTowel said:

Bestweekeverr said:

If a fertility clinic is on fire and you can only save one, do you save the tray of 1,000 fertilized embryos or one baby?


How clever you must feel. What is your answer?
Many pro-choice people will make his claim thinking that they have caught Pro-lifers in a trap or that we are hypocritical for choosing the baby.

That isn't the case at all. The fact that one would choose the baby is only because of the concept of Familiarity.

A baby is more familiar to us than frozen embryos.

One could/should turn the question around to them to see if they had to choose between saving their wife (or child) from a fire or a hundred unknown babies, who would they choose. Most of them would choose their wife (or child) rather than saving the 100 unknown babies. That doesn't make them a hypocrite. Their wife (or child) is more familiar to them than these unknown babies.
Mitch Blood Green
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GrowlTowel said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

ShooterTX said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

By making pornhub illegal, Texas has stopped the murder of millions of babies by the hand sock.


You have to be a special kind of stupid to believe that sperm all on it's own, is the same as a baby.


Life begins at ejaculation.









How clever you must feel. Thanks for your contribution to the discussion. The 65 million murdered thank you.


If a zygote is life, sperm is life. Or it would have become life if you didn't kill it with the sock. 650 million murdered.

This is all virtue signaling. But as soon as your side chick says she's pregnant? "I paid but it was her choice"
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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

ShooterTX said:

Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

ShooterTX said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

By making pornhub illegal, Texas has stopped the murder of millions of babies by the hand sock.


You have to be a special kind of stupid to believe that sperm all on it's own, is the same as a baby.
But its perfectly fine to call a fertilized cluster of cells a baby. What about a zygote? Is that a baby?
Yes.
It is basic biology. What distinguishes a one human from another is a unique set of 23 chromosome pairs.
Sperm has 23 individual chromosomes and the egg has another 23. When they combine, the 46 chromosomes form a unique set of 23 chromosome pairs... a unique human being.

If you knew basic biology, you would know that science PROVES that human life begins at conception
Abortion has been around for a long time. The Bible does seem to say life begins at first breath. Gen 2.7, Job 33:4. Exodus 21 says that beating a woman to the point of miscarriage determines a fine. Killing the woman is met with execution (life for a life). why does killing the unborn just result in a fine?
Egyptians had been using abortion for centuries in Biblical times. Others of the same time period had laws against abortion. Our Bible says it warrants a fine while death warrants an execution.

Sperm are alive and can live in womens organs for up to 5 days. Not so long when they are misplaced. They metabolize sugars, grow, swim like champs, and die.

Science proves that human life begins at conception based on the definition of life you use. The Bible says it begins with the first breath.

Its been fun. Repubs trying to make other people conform to their definitions and rules will ruin the party. concentrate on reforming immigration, lowering the debt and fixing health care.



no, Repubs are not trying to make others conform. They are trying to engage in the kind of moral argument you cited in your first para above - what is life, and when does it begin? That is the kind of deeply philosophical question which is at the heart of the purpose of social contract - to protect LIFE, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. We should not be alarmed in a debate like that to hear that some believe life begins at conception and should be protected, full stop. Neither should we be alarmed that some would argue that the choice should reside with the mother in all cases, full stop. Both are valid points which deserve respect. The debate is not to cast one as right and the other is wrong, but to use democratic processes to find a consensus that reflects, if not respects, at least parts of both sensibilities.

What Repubs did was end a bad legal ruling which forestalled democratic process on abortion with a national mandate. Now the states are free to use democratic process to tinker with the issue, allowing statute to ebb & flow according to the sensibilities of their citizens. That has been my position all along, closer to the absolutist pro-life - life of the mother is the only easily defendable exception. And I'll argue and vote that way. I'll win some and lose some, but most of all I will appreciate it when courts are respectful of self-government and allow us ALL to keep coming back to the public square to debate the issue some more, rather than end the whole experiment in self-government with sweeping judicial fiats.

Democrats just sidestep all of that to pander to women for votes.
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Coke Bear said:

GrowlTowel said:

Bestweekeverr said:

If a fertility clinic is on fire and you can only save one, do you save the tray of 1,000 fertilized embryos or one baby?


How clever you must feel. What is your answer?
Many pro-choice people will make his claim thinking that they have caught Pro-lifers in a trap or that we are hypocritical for choosing the baby.

That isn't the case at all. The fact that one would choose the baby is only because of the concept of Familiarity.

A baby is more familiar to us than frozen embryos.

One could/should turn the question around to them to see if they had to choose between saving their wife (or child) from a fire or a hundred unknown babies, who would they choose. Most of them would choose their wife (or child) rather than saving the 100 unknown babies. That doesn't make them a hypocrite. Their wife (or child) is more familiar to them than these unknown babies.
I can tell you for a fact I'd rather save a baby I've never seen than the morons on this forum I'm familiar with.
ron.reagan
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GrowlTowel said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

ShooterTX said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

By making pornhub illegal, Texas has stopped the murder of millions of babies by the hand sock.


You have to be a special kind of stupid to believe that sperm all on it's own, is the same as a baby.


Life begins at ejaculation.









How clever you must feel. Thanks for your contribution to the discussion. The 65 million murdered thank you.
Christians need to learn to use a condom
Redbrickbear
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ron.reagan said:

GrowlTowel said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

ShooterTX said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

By making pornhub illegal, Texas has stopped the murder of millions of babies by the hand sock.


You have to be a special kind of stupid to believe that sperm all on it's own, is the same as a baby.


Life begins at ejaculation.









How clever you must feel. Thanks for your contribution to the discussion. The 65 million murdered thank you.
Christians need to learn to use a condom

Your jokes aside...I would say they have.

[Teenage birth rates have fallen to their lowest levels ever, new provisional federal data published Thursday found. The report, from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's National Center for Health Statistics...]

Teens have kids has hit and all time low.

And of course fertility and birth rates have crashed: 1.66 rate for the USA (well below replacement rate)

  • Forty-three states recorded their lowest general fertility rate, which represents annual births per 1,000 women aged 15-44, in at least three decades in 2020.
  • Every state except for North Dakota experienced losses when the most recently published 2020 rates are compared to averages over the decade ending in 2010.


https://www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/issue-briefs/2022/12/the-long-term-decline-in-fertility-and-what-it-means-for-state-budgets
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Harrison Bergeron said:

Porteroso said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Fre3dombear said:

Horrific horrific examples of the cruel ness of humanity, but for purpose of debate, that would remove what, probably 99% of abortions?

Would you accept this?

I believe if Jesus had the scalpel, hammer and vacuum cleaner in his hands he would not perform the abortion in these 2 examples

What say you?
Definitely not an expert, but I would imagine the number of abortions related to incest is probably miniscule, but I could easily be proven wrong.

Not sure how many are due to rape, but doubt it is 99%. As I understand, most are out of convenience and elective.

I try to be consistent, and I think as difficult it is to acknowledge the rape and incest exceptions are not intellectually honest.

If one believes life begins at conception and thus opposes abortion, then a life is a life independent of how it is conceived.

Otherwise, the rape and incest exception is just a more limited - and arguably more justifiable - abortion for convenience.

(I fully appreciate the situation and the pain, etc. Not being heartless but making an intellectual argument).

The thing is, all anyone has is their belief, of when life begins, or a person acquires personhood.

The real question for anyone who can acknowledge that they don't actually know for certain, is whether the victim of rape should be forced to bear the child of their rapist because of someone else's belief.
That's an immature response.

All societal laws are based upon the morality of that society, and that society stems from its moral beliefs,

This is not complicated.

Maybe a better way to answer the question is: "Why shouldn't they carry the child of their rapist?"

Again, skirting the issue. Immature? Lol. Dumb.

If society in a given state has decided that a 1 month old fetus is not a person, the victim of rape may not want to carry an ever present reminder of that gross crime in her body. And a woman in another state might look at her and wonder why she is forced into such a different result of an evil she was the victim of.

It is easy to look at the issue any number of ways, but I do think that people who want victims of rape to bear the children of their rapist should have some basic capability of explaining why their opinion/political view should force a woman into such a thing.

I can understand the binary thinking of "it is a person therefore has the right to life" but for anyone who can admit they don't know for sure, I'd love to hear the explanation.

Are you capable of that, or is name calling your way of avoiding it?
Limited IQ Redneck in PU
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whiterock said:

Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

ShooterTX said:

Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

ShooterTX said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

By making pornhub illegal, Texas has stopped the murder of millions of babies by the hand sock.


You have to be a special kind of stupid to believe that sperm all on it's own, is the same as a baby.
But its perfectly fine to call a fertilized cluster of cells a baby. What about a zygote? Is that a baby?
Yes.
It is basic biology. What distinguishes a one human from another is a unique set of 23 chromosome pairs.
Sperm has 23 individual chromosomes and the egg has another 23. When they combine, the 46 chromosomes form a unique set of 23 chromosome pairs... a unique human being.

If you knew basic biology, you would know that science PROVES that human life begins at conception
Abortion has been around for a long time. The Bible does seem to say life begins at first breath. Gen 2.7, Job 33:4. Exodus 21 says that beating a woman to the point of miscarriage determines a fine. Killing the woman is met with execution (life for a life). why does killing the unborn just result in a fine?
Egyptians had been using abortion for centuries in Biblical times. Others of the same time period had laws against abortion. Our Bible says it warrants a fine while death warrants an execution.

Sperm are alive and can live in womens organs for up to 5 days. Not so long when they are misplaced. They metabolize sugars, grow, swim like champs, and die.

Science proves that human life begins at conception based on the definition of life you use. The Bible says it begins with the first breath.

Its been fun. Repubs trying to make other people conform to their definitions and rules will ruin the party. concentrate on reforming immigration, lowering the debt and fixing health care.



no, Repubs are not trying to make others conform. They are trying to engage in the kind of moral argument you cited in your first para above - what is life, and when does it begin? That is the kind of deeply philosophical question which is at the heart of the purpose of social contract - to protect LIFE, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. We should not be alarmed in a debate like that to hear that some believe life begins at conception and should be protected, full stop. Neither should we be alarmed that some would argue that the choice should reside with the mother in all cases, full stop. Both are valid points which deserve respect. The debate is not to cast one as right and the other is wrong, but to use democratic processes to find a consensus that reflects, if not respects, at least parts of both sensibilities.

What Repubs did was end a bad legal ruling which forestalled democratic process on abortion with a national mandate. Now the states are free to use democratic process to tinker with the issue, allowing statute to ebb & flow according to the sensibilities of their citizens. That has been my position all along, closer to the absolutist pro-life - life of the mother is the only easily defendable exception. And I'll argue and vote that way. I'll win some and lose some, but most of all I will appreciate it when courts are respectful of self-government and allow us ALL to keep coming back to the public square to debate the issue some more, rather than end the whole experiment in self-government with sweeping judicial fiats.

Democrats just sidestep all of that to pander to women for votes.
Amazing post, sir. Thank you.
nein51
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That's not condom issues. That's a matter of living in your parents attic. People (teens included) are having much less sex and with fewer partners. Largely due to the fact that they don't spend much time with people "irl".

The most common living situation for those under 30 (and it might be 35 now) is with their parents. Hard to have a raging good time living with mom and dad.
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nein51 said:

That's not condom issues. That's a matter of living in your parents attic. People (teens included) are having much less sex and with fewer partners. Largely due to the fact that they don't spend much time with people "irl".

The most common living situation for those under 30 (and it might be 35 now) is with their parents. Hard to have a raging good time living with mom and dad.

I guess that is a good point as well (if a sad one)
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Porteroso said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Porteroso said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Fre3dombear said:

Horrific horrific examples of the cruel ness of humanity, but for purpose of debate, that would remove what, probably 99% of abortions?

Would you accept this?

I believe if Jesus had the scalpel, hammer and vacuum cleaner in his hands he would not perform the abortion in these 2 examples

What say you?
Definitely not an expert, but I would imagine the number of abortions related to incest is probably miniscule, but I could easily be proven wrong.

Not sure how many are due to rape, but doubt it is 99%. As I understand, most are out of convenience and elective.

I try to be consistent, and I think as difficult it is to acknowledge the rape and incest exceptions are not intellectually honest.

If one believes life begins at conception and thus opposes abortion, then a life is a life independent of how it is conceived.

Otherwise, the rape and incest exception is just a more limited - and arguably more justifiable - abortion for convenience.

(I fully appreciate the situation and the pain, etc. Not being heartless but making an intellectual argument).

The thing is, all anyone has is their belief, of when life begins, or a person acquires personhood.

The real question for anyone who can acknowledge that they don't actually know for certain, is whether the victim of rape should be forced to bear the child of their rapist because of someone else's belief.
That's an immature response.

All societal laws are based upon the morality of that society, and that society stems from its moral beliefs,

This is not complicated.

Maybe a better way to answer the question is: "Why shouldn't they carry the child of their rapist?"

Again, skirting the issue. Immature? Lol. Dumb.

If society in a given state has decided that a 1 month old fetus is not a person, the victim of rape may not want to carry an ever present reminder of that gross crime in her body. And a woman in another state might look at her and wonder why she is forced into such a different result of an evil she was the victim of.

It is easy to look at the issue any number of ways, but I do think that people who want victims of rape to bear the children of their rapist should have some basic capability of explaining why their opinion/political view should force a woman into such a thing.

I can understand the binary thinking of "it is a person therefore has the right to life" but for anyone who can admit they don't know for sure, I'd love to hear the explanation.

Are you capable of that, or is name calling your way of avoiding it?
Sorry. Try re-reading the thread. It is there in black and white. I can explain it to you but I cannot understand it for you. If a person believes life begins at conception and life is worth preserving, how that life was created is irrelevant to the argument. It's actually very simple.

Here is a hypothetical question I suspect you will not answer: let's assume there is a test that can determine if a baby is going to be gay. Would you support a woman aborting a baby only because it will be go so she can try again for a non-gay baby? How do you think most rabid, pro-abortion folks would answer that?

(I don't think you know what name calling means)
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ron.reagan said:

GrowlTowel said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

ShooterTX said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

By making pornhub illegal, Texas has stopped the murder of millions of babies by the hand sock.


You have to be a special kind of stupid to believe that sperm all on it's own, is the same as a baby.


Life begins at ejaculation.









How clever you must feel. Thanks for your contribution to the discussion. The 65 million murdered thank you.
Christians need to learn to use a condom


Didn't God kill a dude for spilling sperm on the ground?
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Mitch Blood Green said:

ron.reagan said:

GrowlTowel said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

ShooterTX said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

By making pornhub illegal, Texas has stopped the murder of millions of babies by the hand sock.


You have to be a special kind of stupid to believe that sperm all on it's own, is the same as a baby.


Life begins at ejaculation.









How clever you must feel. Thanks for your contribution to the discussion. The 65 million murdered thank you.
Christians need to learn to use a condom


Didn't God kill a dude for spilling sperm on the ground?
and if he had used a condom none of it would have spilled on the ground, right? (Unless he wanted to re-use it and turn it inside out and shook the **** out of it.)
Our vibrations were getting nasty. But why? I was puzzled, frustrated... Had we deteriorated to the level of dumb beasts?

ron.reagan
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Mitch Blood Green said:

ron.reagan said:

GrowlTowel said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

ShooterTX said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

By making pornhub illegal, Texas has stopped the murder of millions of babies by the hand sock.


You have to be a special kind of stupid to believe that sperm all on it's own, is the same as a baby.


Life begins at ejaculation.









How clever you must feel. Thanks for your contribution to the discussion. The 65 million murdered thank you.
Christians need to learn to use a condom


Didn't God kill a dude for spilling sperm on the ground?
Women also get really annoyed
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Depends on your aim. As long as you keep it out of her hair its not a big deal;.
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Doc Holliday said:

The vast majority of abortions are because "I don't want that kind of responsibility",



Harrison Bergeron
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Redbrickbear said:

Doc Holliday said:

The vast majority of abortions are because "I don't want that kind of responsibility",




Facts continue to be Kryptonite to LWMJ radicals.
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Harrison Bergeron said:

Redbrickbear said:

Doc Holliday said:

The vast majority of abortions are because "I don't want that kind of responsibility",




Facts continue to be Kryptonite to LWMJ radicals.
Their whole schtick is to wanting to be able to do sinful things and acting like they're threatened or harmed if we don't allow it.
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Bestweekeverr said:

If a fertility clinic is on fire and you can only save one, do you save the tray of 1,000 fertilized embryos or one baby?
I came across this question about 15 years ago. In that article discussing this topic, the general consensus was that if faced with such a difficult choice, the correct action would be to save the baby because:

1) The baby has a heartbeat
2) The baby can feel pain
3) The baby has reached personhood status

Th article seemed to put a heavy emphasis on personhood status, especiall when tasked with the choice of which life to save




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GrowlTowel said:

Bestweekeverr said:

If a fertility clinic is on fire and you can only save one, do you save the tray of 1,000 fertilized embryos or one baby?


How clever you must feel. What is your answer?


I'm not trying to do a "got ya" or anything, just genuinely curious on what decision people would make if they agree with the Alabama Supreme Court ruling.

I think most people would save the baby.
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Doc Holliday said:

The vast majority of abortions are because "I don't want that kind of inconvenience ",
FIFY
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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

So the fertility clinics that freeze and throw away all the predeveloped humans should be shut down and the doctors nurses and hopeful parents should be arrested?
nuance is hard

Subtle shades of gray are not black and white

We are not under the biblical, dietary laws but, who are we to tell someone they are wrong for observing them? It's a gray area where we use our judgements, our conscious, scripture and interpretation.

It's easy to see that fertility clinic do some great things but, are they doing bad thing with the wasted embryos? I don't think scripture directly addresses it so, we use our judgements, our conscious, scripture and interpretation. AND A GREAT DEAL OF SINCERE PRAYER
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Bestweekeverr said:

GrowlTowel said:

Bestweekeverr said:

If a fertility clinic is on fire and you can only save one, do you save the tray of 1,000 fertilized embryos or one baby?


How clever you must feel. What is your answer?


I'm not trying to do a "got ya" or anything, just genuinely curious on what decision people would make if they agree with the Alabama Supreme Court ruling.

I think most people would save the baby.
Yes, because of Principle of Familiarity.

Would you save your wife (or child) or 1000 people you don't know?
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Coke Bear said:

GrowlTowel said:

Bestweekeverr said:

If a fertility clinic is on fire and you can only save one, do you save the tray of 1,000 fertilized embryos or one baby?


How clever you must feel. What is your answer?
Many pro-choice people will make his claim thinking that they have caught Pro-lifers in a trap or that we are hypocritical for choosing the baby.

That isn't the case at all. The fact that one would choose the baby is only because of the concept of Familiarity.

A baby is more familiar to us than frozen embryos.

One could/should turn the question around to them to see if they had to choose between saving their wife (or child) from a fire or a hundred unknown babies, who would they choose. Most of them would choose their wife (or child) rather than saving the 100 unknown babies. That doesn't make them a hypocrite. Their wife (or child) is more familiar to them than these unknown babies.


Once their argument turns to such absurd scenarios, they've realized the argument is lost.
 
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