DUBAI, United Arab Emirates (AP) A helicopter carrying Iranian President Ebrahim Raisi, the country's foreign minister and other officials apparently crashed in the mountainous northwest reaches of Iran on Sunday, sparking a massive rescue operation in a fog-shrouded forest as the public was urged to pray.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/helicopter-iranian-presidents-convoy-accident-125435509.html

No SAM involved?

drahthaar said:

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No SAM involved?

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I'm certain if they find corpses they'll blame the US or Israel.

drahthaar said:

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No SAM involved?

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Let's hope not. Anything heavy handed like that would mean a period of violence and revenge. Last thing we need is terrorism sparking up again.

FLBear5630 said:

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drahthaar said:

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No SAM involved?

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Let's hope not. Anything heavy handed like that would mean a period of violence and revenge. Last thing we need is terrorism sparking up again.

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Uhhhh you been paying attention to how Obamabiden lit the world on fire again in 3 short years?

Wangchung said:

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drahthaar said:

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No SAM involved?

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I'm certain if they find corpses they'll blame the US or Israel.

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Screw those terrorist ragheads! They're gonna do that anyway.

Hope everyone survived the crash.

Don't need anymore matches around this ongoing Middle East powder keg.

KaiBear said:

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Hope everyone survived the crash.

Don't need anymore matches around this ongoing Middle East powder keg.

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https://www.yahoo.com/news/official-says-rescuers-see-helicopter-023159433.html

Am very sorry for your loss.

Some innocent people may be killed in revenge for this perceived assassination.

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KaiBear said:

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Hope everyone survived the crash.

Don't need anymore matches around this ongoing Middle East powder keg.

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https://www.yahoo.com/news/official-says-rescuers-see-helicopter-023159433.html

Am very sorry for your loss.

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This will be bad, if Israel or the US was involved. Who is next in line in Iran?

FLBear5630 said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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KaiBear said:

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Hope everyone survived the crash.

Don't need anymore matches around this ongoing Middle East powder keg.

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https://www.yahoo.com/news/official-says-rescuers-see-helicopter-023159433.html

Am very sorry for your loss.

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This will be bad, if Israel or the US was involved. Who is next in line in Iran?

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He wasn't the supreme leader, more of a figurehead.

Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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KaiBear said:

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Hope everyone survived the crash.

Don't need anymore matches around this ongoing Middle East powder keg.

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https://www.yahoo.com/news/official-says-rescuers-see-helicopter-023159433.html

Am very sorry for your loss.

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This will be bad, if Israel or the US was involved. Who is next in line in Iran?

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He wasn't the supreme leader, more of a figurehead.

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As long as he isn't a rally cry to take on the west with China and Russia more than what we are seeing.

Wangchung said:

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drahthaar said:

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No SAM involved?

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I'm certain if they find corpses they'll blame the US or Israel.

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Well Israel did say they would strike back at a time and place of their choosing...

The US is just a giant vassal state of Israel... these new anti-semitism laws passed through congress cemented that reality. Biden handlers wouldn't do anything without a direct order from Netanyahu.

Y'all think it could've been shot down by Maverick or Rooster?

Looks like weather.

Was probably weather. The AP piece is almost a hit piece on the guy, sounds like a real wanker.

https://apnews.com/article/iran-ebrahim-raisi-obituary-helicopter-crash-107ffb888540ef022a84ec719b81398c

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Was probably weather. The AP piece is almost a hit piece on the guy, sounds like a real wanker.

https://apnews.com/article/iran-ebrahim-raisi-obituary-helicopter-crash-107ffb888540ef022a84ec719b81398c

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Is real cloud seeding conspiracy on X in
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The_barBEARian said:

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Wangchung said:

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drahthaar said:

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No SAM involved?

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I'm certain if they find corpses they'll blame the US or Israel.

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Well Israel did say they would strike back at a time and place of their choosing...

The US is just a giant vassal state of Israel... these new anti-semitism laws passed through congress cemented that reality. Biden handlers wouldn't do anything without a direct order from Netanyahu.

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Good to see you've completely jumped the shark instead of just flirting with it.


This is a Kobe situation. Nothing more, nothing less.

It wasn't the US or Israel for the obvious reason that the only reason to undertake such an action is to send a warning/shot across the bow. So to do it in a way with no fingerprints at all is actually counterproductive.

OsoCoreyell said:

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It wasn't the US or Israel for the obvious reason that the only reason to undertake such an action is to send a warning/shot across the bow. So to do it in a way with no fingerprints at all is actually counterproductive.

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Russia's oil pipeline was blown up with nobody claiming responsibility

NK and Iran have had several "accidents" at their rocket and nuclear facilities killing several scientists and engineers over the years. They are only described as accidents.

I'm sure implied messages were understood in some of these events.

How much of this crash was weather related, we citizens don't know. I'm sure some Iranians, Israelis and Americans already know if the weather was the major co tribute group factor.

trey3216 said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Wangchung said:

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drahthaar said:

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No SAM involved?

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I'm certain if they find corpses they'll blame the US or Israel.

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Well Israel did say they would strike back at a time and place of their choosing...

The US is just a giant vassal state of Israel... these new anti-semitism laws passed through congress cemented that reality. Biden handlers wouldn't do anything without a direct order from Netanyahu.

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Good to see you've completely jumped the shark instead of just flirting with it.


This is a Kobe situation. Nothing more, nothing less.

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what does beef have to do with this?

J.R. said:

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trey3216 said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Wangchung said:

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drahthaar said:

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No SAM involved?

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I'm certain if they find corpses they'll blame the US or Israel.

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Well Israel did say they would strike back at a time and place of their choosing...

The US is just a giant vassal state of Israel... these new anti-semitism laws passed through congress cemented that reality. Biden handlers wouldn't do anything without a direct order from Netanyahu.

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Good to see you've completely jumped the shark instead of just flirting with it.


This is a Kobe situation. Nothing more, nothing less.

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what does the worlds best beef have to do with this?

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J.R. said:

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trey3216 said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Wangchung said:

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drahthaar said:

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No SAM involved?

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I'm certain if they find corpses they'll blame the US or Israel.

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Well Israel did say they would strike back at a time and place of their choosing...

The US is just a giant vassal state of Israel... these new anti-semitism laws passed through congress cemented that reality. Biden handlers wouldn't do anything without a direct order from Netanyahu.

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Good to see you've completely jumped the shark instead of just flirting with it.


This is a Kobe situation. Nothing more, nothing less.

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what does beef have to do with this?

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Stress hormones will make the beef bitter. So, for the sake of the Kobe everything needs to remain calm. In today's economy extra beer and classical music for the cattle is too expensive. That is how this impacts the beef. It is all connected...

FLBear5630 said:

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J.R. said:

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trey3216 said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Wangchung said:

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drahthaar said:

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No SAM involved?

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I'm certain if they find corpses they'll blame the US or Israel.

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Well Israel did say they would strike back at a time and place of their choosing...

The US is just a giant vassal state of Israel... these new anti-semitism laws passed through congress cemented that reality. Biden handlers wouldn't do anything without a direct order from Netanyahu.

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Good to see you've completely jumped the shark instead of just flirting with it.


This is a Kobe situation. Nothing more, nothing less.

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what does beef have to do with this?

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Stress hormones will make the beef bitter. So, for the sake of the Kobe everything needs to remain calm. In today's economy extra beer and classical music for the cattle is too expensive. That is how this impacts the beef. It is all connected...

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thank ewe

FLBear5630 said:

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J.R. said:

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trey3216 said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Wangchung said:

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drahthaar said:

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No SAM involved?

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I'm certain if they find corpses they'll blame the US or Israel.

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Well Israel did say they would strike back at a time and place of their choosing...

The US is just a giant vassal state of Israel... these new anti-semitism laws passed through congress cemented that reality. Biden handlers wouldn't do anything without a direct order from Netanyahu.

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Good to see you've completely jumped the shark instead of just flirting with it.


This is a Kobe situation. Nothing more, nothing less.

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what does beef have to do with this?

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Stress hormones will make the beef bitter. So, for the sake of the Kobe everything needs to remain calm. In today's economy extra beer and classical music for the cattle is too expensive. That is how this impacts the beef. It is all connected...

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Truth is that it doesn't matter if it was an attack or a weather event. The Iranians will claim either narrative based on what fits their current agenda.

J.R. said:

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trey3216 said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Wangchung said:

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drahthaar said:

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No SAM involved?

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I'm certain if they find corpses they'll blame the US or Israel.

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Well Israel did say they would strike back at a time and place of their choosing...

The US is just a giant vassal state of Israel... these new anti-semitism laws passed through congress cemented that reality. Biden handlers wouldn't do anything without a direct order from Netanyahu.

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Good to see you've completely jumped the shark instead of just flirting with it.


This is a Kobe situation. Nothing more, nothing less.

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what does beef have to do with this?

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Arby's was behind this?

Is this Bar_Bearian reading the news????

Just when you thought people can’t get any dumber… They go ahead and surprise you.

This is a real thing that happened.

Someone on X made a joke that the Mossad took out the Iranian president and the agent was named Eli Copter. Palestinian telegram channels repeated it as a… pic.twitter.com/XLeyUbYDkx

— Hillel Fuld (@HilzFuld) May 20, 2024

trey3216 said:

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Is this Bar_Bearian reading the news????

Just when you thought people can’t get any dumber… They go ahead and surprise you.

This is a real thing that happened.

Someone on X made a joke that the Mossad took out the Iranian president and the agent was named Eli Copter. Palestinian telegram channels repeated it as a… pic.twitter.com/XLeyUbYDkx

— Hillel Fuld (@HilzFuld) May 20, 2024

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Memories of the Korean plane crash at SFO a few years ago...

Oldbear83 said:

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J.R. said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Wangchung said:

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drahthaar said:

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No SAM involved?

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I'm certain if they find corpses they'll blame the US or Israel.

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Well Israel did say they would strike back at a time and place of their choosing...

The US is just a giant vassal state of Israel... these new anti-semitism laws passed through congress cemented that reality. Biden handlers wouldn't do anything without a direct order from Netanyahu.

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Good to see you've completely jumped the shark instead of just flirting with it.


This is a Kobe situation. Nothing more, nothing less.

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what does beef have to do with this?

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Arby's was behind this?

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You can almost see the curly fries

trey3216 said:

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Is this Bar_Bearian reading the news????

Just when you thought people can’t get any dumber… They go ahead and surprise you.

This is a real thing that happened.

Someone on X made a joke that the Mossad took out the Iranian president and the agent was named Eli Copter. Palestinian telegram channels repeated it as a… pic.twitter.com/XLeyUbYDkx

— Hillel Fuld (@HilzFuld) May 20, 2024

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A country capable of killing 34 US Servicemen and wounding 100 more on board the USS Liberty is capable of anything.

Hell they didn't even feel bad about it.

TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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Truth is that it doesn't matter if it was an attack or a weather event. The Iranians will claim either narrative based on what fits their current agenda.

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That depends on if this was an isolated event. The assassination attempt on the Slovakian Prime Minister is now being investigated as a broader conspiracy. Hopefully there was enough time in the curriculum between global warming lessons for the transgender millenials at MI6 and Langley to learn about a fellow named Archduke Ferdinand.

Realitybites said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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Truth is that it doesn't matter if it was an attack or a weather event. The Iranians will claim either narrative based on what fits their current agenda.

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That depends on if this was an isolated event. The assassination attempt on the Slovakian Prime Minister is now being investigated as a broader conspiracy. Hopefully there was enough time in the curriculum between global warming lessons for the transgender millenials at MI6 and Langley to learn about a fellow named Archduke Ferdinand.

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I seriously doubt it was Langley or MI6. Creating an Iranian Martyr does not work in their benefit. Now, China, Russia and Hamas, it works in their favor. I would lay odds this was the other side creating a Martyr.

Or more likely, Iranian equipment was not maintained.

FLBear5630 said:

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Realitybites said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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Truth is that it doesn't matter if it was an attack or a weather event. The Iranians will claim either narrative based on what fits their current agenda.

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That depends on if this was an isolated event. The assassination attempt on the Slovakian Prime Minister is now being investigated as a broader conspiracy. Hopefully there was enough time in the curriculum between global warming lessons for the transgender millenials at MI6 and Langley to learn about a fellow named Archduke Ferdinand.

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I seriously doubt it was Langley or MI6. Creating an Iranian Martyr does not work in their benefit. Now, China, Russia and Hamas, it works in their favor. I would lay odds this was the other side creating a Martyr.

Or more likely, Iranian equipment was not maintained.

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I'm pretty sure this was weather related. If a nation wanted to push a sabotage theory, more news or allegations would have already come out to drive that theory.

FLBear5630 said:

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Realitybites said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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Truth is that it doesn't matter if it was an attack or a weather event. The Iranians will claim either narrative based on what fits their current agenda.

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That depends on if this was an isolated event. The assassination attempt on the Slovakian Prime Minister is now being investigated as a broader conspiracy. Hopefully there was enough time in the curriculum between global warming lessons for the transgender millenials at MI6 and Langley to learn about a fellow named Archduke Ferdinand.

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I seriously doubt it was Langley or MI6. Creating an Iranian Martyr does not work in their benefit. Now, China, Russia and Hamas, it works in their favor. I would lay odds this was the other side creating a Martyr.

Or more likely, Iranian equipment was not maintained.

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Yep....Occam's razor stuff

People die all the time even in the USA, Japan, and the EU from helicopter accidents...and those are 3 places that actually maintain high standards of equipment repair-upkeep

I can't imagine the low levels of basic safety that sanctions plagued Iran thinks are ok in their aviation sector

https://www.businessinsider.com/american-troops-killed-us-military-helicopter-tiltrotor-crashes-2023-11