We don't defend it. He was wrong. Now about the 30 lies Trump told

Everybody has forgotten about these three dead U.S. soldiers. No strike back. No retaliation. No nothing. Only weakness.

https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/3659809/3-us-service-members-killed-others-injured-in-jordan-following-drone-attack/#:~:text=Three%20U.S.%20soldiers%20were%20killed%20yesterday%20in%20Jordan%2C,coalition%20mission%20to%20ensure%20the%20defeat%20of%20ISIS.

I am sure fubar and the other Lefty hyper partisans here will defend Biden's inaction, as always.

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Not sure that anybody can defend Biden's statement. Has anybody tried?

On the other hand, the TRUMP claim that he was the most peace-loving president in ___ number of years -- which was demonstrably false as well -- no longer holds whatever water any of you say it did. More American soldiers died under his watch than under Biden's,

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While you are often able to stay grounded with your statements while others go ape, this is not one of those times. The world became much quieter in regards to American wars under Trump compared to any other president in the last 30 years.

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American troops were in Afghanistan the entire TRUMP term. More than a few died, or, as the thread starter would say, were massacred by TRUMP. (Since rd2 seems intent on blaming Biden for three other deaths, I'm sure that, in all fairness, he'll blame TRUMP for massacring the men in Niger. Even if those suckers knew what they signed up for.)

The Biden-ordered withdrawal from Afghanistan was botched badly, but we, in fact, withdrew.

There are no major American engagements ongoing, and there haven't been since the Afghanistan withdrawal.

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Not sure that anybody can defend Biden's statement. Has anybody tried?

On the other hand, the TRUMP claim that he was the most peace-loving president in ___ number of years -- which was demonstrably false as well -- no longer holds whatever water any of you say it did. More American soldiers died under his watch than under Biden's,

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Trump most peaceful president I'm aware of. World on fire exploding under Biden just like his daddy Obama and bush

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It's easy to be peaceful when you don't defend yourself from Iran when they shoot missiles at your bases

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Everybody has forgotten about these three dead U.S. soldiers. No strike back. No retaliation. No nothing. Only weakness.

https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/3659809/3-us-service-members-killed-others-injured-in-jordan-following-drone-attack/#:~:text=Three%20U.S.%20soldiers%20were%20killed%20yesterday%20in%20Jordan%2C,coalition%20mission%20to%20ensure%20the%20defeat%20of%20ISIS.

I am sure fubar and the other Lefty hyper partisans here will defend Biden's inaction, as always.

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Pretty sure more innocent defenseless girls and women under 30 Been raped and murdered by illegals under Biden Obama than soldiers died under trump

That doesn't even count those raped by their sisters or sisters in laws

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It is downright cruel what is going on at the Southern Border. The 100 degree temperatures are upon us. Gonna be a shocking amount of death and suffering on both sides of the Southern Border this summer. I have no doubt that Biden and Mayorkas will continue to crow that what they are doing is working! The politicians (Both D and R)should all be ashamed for doing nothing.

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fubar said:

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fubar said:

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Not sure that anybody can defend Biden's statement. Has anybody tried?

On the other hand, the TRUMP claim that he was the most peace-loving president in ___ number of years -- which was demonstrably false as well -- no longer holds whatever water any of you say it did. More American soldiers died under his watch than under Biden's,

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While you are often able to stay grounded with your statements while others go ape, this is not one of those times. The world became much quieter in regards to American wars under Trump compared to any other president in the last 30 years.

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American troops were in Afghanistan the entire TRUMP term. More than a few died, or, as the thread starter would say, were massacred by TRUMP. (Since rd2 seems intent on blaming Biden for three other deaths, I'm sure that, in all fairness, he'll blame TRUMP for massacring the men in Niger. Even if those suckers knew what they signed up for.)

The Biden-ordered withdrawal from Afghanistan was botched badly, but we, in fact, withdrew.

There are no major American engagements ongoing, and there haven't been since the Afghanistan withdrawal.

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Looks like democrats have officially moved on from blaming Trump for the Afghanistan withdrawal tragedy...

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If they have they are dumb as Maga. Trump ordered the most cowardly settlement with the Taliban that led to the sudden collapse of the Afghani government we claimed to support. Trump lowered the total number of US military to 2500, which required us to abandon the Airbase we could no longer defend, which led to the bottleneck at the Kabul Int Airport. He pressured the Afghanis to accept a deal where 8,000 Taliban soldiers were released. The Bomb at the Airport was a tragic disaster and falls on Biden. But Americans tend to forgive a Presidential F/up so long as they counter it with the requisite shock and awe against the suitable patsy belligerent. Reagan lost 241 Marines in the bombing in Beirut, but all was forgotten with the Granada invasion. The fact Biden refused to find a patsy is the biggest political mistake of his Presidency.

TWD 1974 said:

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Wangchung said:

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fubar said:

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fubar said:

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Not sure that anybody can defend Biden's statement. Has anybody tried?

On the other hand, the TRUMP claim that he was the most peace-loving president in ___ number of years -- which was demonstrably false as well -- no longer holds whatever water any of you say it did. More American soldiers died under his watch than under Biden's,

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While you are often able to stay grounded with your statements while others go ape, this is not one of those times. The world became much quieter in regards to American wars under Trump compared to any other president in the last 30 years.

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American troops were in Afghanistan the entire TRUMP term. More than a few died, or, as the thread starter would say, were massacred by TRUMP. (Since rd2 seems intent on blaming Biden for three other deaths, I'm sure that, in all fairness, he'll blame TRUMP for massacring the men in Niger. Even if those suckers knew what they signed up for.)

The Biden-ordered withdrawal from Afghanistan was botched badly, but we, in fact, withdrew.

There are no major American engagements ongoing, and there haven't been since the Afghanistan withdrawal.

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Looks like democrats have officially moved on from blaming Trump for the Afghanistan withdrawal tragedy...

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If they have they are dumb as Maga. Trump ordered the most cowardly settlement with the Taliban that led to the sudden collapse of the Afghani government we claimed to support. Trump lowered the total number of US military to 2500, which required us to abandon the Airbase we could no longer defend, which led to the bottleneck at the Kabul Int Airport. He pressured the Afghanis to accept a deal where 8,000 Taliban soldiers were released. The Bomb at the Airport was a tragic disaster and falls on Biden. But Americans tend to forgive a Presidential F/up so long as they counter it with the requisite shock and awe against the suitable patsy belligerent. Reagan lost 241 Marines in the bombing in Beirut, but all was forgotten with the Granada invasion. The fact Biden refused to find a patsy is the biggest political mistake of his Presidency.

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But fubar claims Biden ordered the withdrawal...
My favorite part of this is how Trump negotiated a peaceful withdrawal, Biden took office and completely screwed it all up, leaving Americans, allies and billions in military equipment behind and now somehow people like you have swallowed the lie that Biden, AS PRESIDENT, could not have made any changes to that plan, even though it is obvious he did. Trump isn't beholden to the military industrial complex, Biden is, and the difference was there for all to see.

Wangchung said:

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TWD 1974 said:

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Wangchung said:

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fubar said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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fubar said:

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Not sure that anybody can defend Biden's statement. Has anybody tried?

On the other hand, the TRUMP claim that he was the most peace-loving president in ___ number of years -- which was demonstrably false as well -- no longer holds whatever water any of you say it did. More American soldiers died under his watch than under Biden's,

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While you are often able to stay grounded with your statements while others go ape, this is not one of those times. The world became much quieter in regards to American wars under Trump compared to any other president in the last 30 years.

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American troops were in Afghanistan the entire TRUMP term. More than a few died, or, as the thread starter would say, were massacred by TRUMP. (Since rd2 seems intent on blaming Biden for three other deaths, I'm sure that, in all fairness, he'll blame TRUMP for massacring the men in Niger. Even if those suckers knew what they signed up for.)

The Biden-ordered withdrawal from Afghanistan was botched badly, but we, in fact, withdrew.

There are no major American engagements ongoing, and there haven't been since the Afghanistan withdrawal.

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Looks like democrats have officially moved on from blaming Trump for the Afghanistan withdrawal tragedy...

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If they have they are dumb as Maga. Trump ordered the most cowardly settlement with the Taliban that led to the sudden collapse of the Afghani government we claimed to support. Trump lowered the total number of US military to 2500, which required us to abandon the Airbase we could no longer defend, which led to the bottleneck at the Kabul Int Airport. He pressured the Afghanis to accept a deal where 8,000 Taliban soldiers were released. The Bomb at the Airport was a tragic disaster and falls on Biden. But Americans tend to forgive a Presidential F/up so long as they counter it with the requisite shock and awe against the suitable patsy belligerent. Reagan lost 241 Marines in the bombing in Beirut, but all was forgotten with the Granada invasion. The fact Biden refused to find a patsy is the biggest political mistake of his Presidency.

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But fubar claims Biden ordered the withdrawal...
My favorite part of this is how Trump negotiated a peaceful withdrawal, Biden took office and completely screwed it all up, leaving Americans, allies and billions in military equipment behind and now somehow people like you have swallowed the lie that Biden, AS PRESIDENT, could not have made any changes to that plan, even though it is obvious he did. Trump isn't beholden to the military industrial complex, Biden is, and the difference was there for all to see.

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I know I may be intruding into your reality distortion field, but the deal Trump negotiated was then forced down the Afghan Govt. throat against their strenuous objection. Equipment was taken or scuttled, but there was never an option to pack up all equipment as the agreement and the subsequent fall of the govt. did not leave us with that option. Biden would have had to abrogate the Trump agreement --without an Afghan govt., only 2500 troops on the ground and no air support for 600 miles. You think that was a good military move? The only difference Trump would have made in the debacle is he wouldn't have bothered to come back for the Afghanis that we wanted to get out. Finally, Trump is beholden to what helps Trump. He is about the brand Trump. People on various sides politically are making a huge mistake to think they know what he is about. He has no real political center.

Harrison Bergeron said:

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TWD 1974 said:

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Wangchung said:

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TWD 1974 said:

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Wangchung said:

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fubar said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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fubar said:

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Not sure that anybody can defend Biden's statement. Has anybody tried?

On the other hand, the TRUMP claim that he was the most peace-loving president in ___ number of years -- which was demonstrably false as well -- no longer holds whatever water any of you say it did. More American soldiers died under his watch than under Biden's,

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While you are often able to stay grounded with your statements while others go ape, this is not one of those times. The world became much quieter in regards to American wars under Trump compared to any other president in the last 30 years.

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American troops were in Afghanistan the entire TRUMP term. More than a few died, or, as the thread starter would say, were massacred by TRUMP. (Since rd2 seems intent on blaming Biden for three other deaths, I'm sure that, in all fairness, he'll blame TRUMP for massacring the men in Niger. Even if those suckers knew what they signed up for.)

The Biden-ordered withdrawal from Afghanistan was botched badly, but we, in fact, withdrew.

There are no major American engagements ongoing, and there haven't been since the Afghanistan withdrawal.

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Looks like democrats have officially moved on from blaming Trump for the Afghanistan withdrawal tragedy...

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If they have they are dumb as Maga. Trump ordered the most cowardly settlement with the Taliban that led to the sudden collapse of the Afghani government we claimed to support. Trump lowered the total number of US military to 2500, which required us to abandon the Airbase we could no longer defend, which led to the bottleneck at the Kabul Int Airport. He pressured the Afghanis to accept a deal where 8,000 Taliban soldiers were released. The Bomb at the Airport was a tragic disaster and falls on Biden. But Americans tend to forgive a Presidential F/up so long as they counter it with the requisite shock and awe against the suitable patsy belligerent. Reagan lost 241 Marines in the bombing in Beirut, but all was forgotten with the Granada invasion. The fact Biden refused to find a patsy is the biggest political mistake of his Presidency.

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But fubar claims Biden ordered the withdrawal...
My favorite part of this is how Trump negotiated a peaceful withdrawal, Biden took office and completely screwed it all up, leaving Americans, allies and billions in military equipment behind and now somehow people like you have swallowed the lie that Biden, AS PRESIDENT, could not have made any changes to that plan, even though it is obvious he did. Trump isn't beholden to the military industrial complex, Biden is, and the difference was there for all to see.

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I know I may be intruding into your reality distortion field, but the deal Trump negotiated was then forced down the Afghan Govt. throat against their strenuous objection. Equipment was taken or scuttled, but there was never an option to pack up all equipment as the agreement and the subsequent fall of the govt. did not leave us with that option. Biden would have had to abrogate the Trump agreement --without an Afghan govt., only 2500 troops on the ground and no air support for 600 miles. You think that was a good military move? The only difference Trump would have made in the debacle is he wouldn't have bothered to come back for the Afghanis that we wanted to get out. Finally, Trump is beholden to what helps Trump. He is about the brand Trump. People on various sides politically are making a huge mistake to think they know what he is about. He has no real political center.

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I love The View talking points.

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Do you ever stop with the insouciant disdain? Never watched the View as I have been happily employed for most of my life.

Wangchung said:

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TWD 1974 said:

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Wangchung said:

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TWD 1974 said:

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Wangchung said:

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fubar said:

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fubar said:

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Not sure that anybody can defend Biden's statement. Has anybody tried?

On the other hand, the TRUMP claim that he was the most peace-loving president in ___ number of years -- which was demonstrably false as well -- no longer holds whatever water any of you say it did. More American soldiers died under his watch than under Biden's,

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While you are often able to stay grounded with your statements while others go ape, this is not one of those times. The world became much quieter in regards to American wars under Trump compared to any other president in the last 30 years.

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American troops were in Afghanistan the entire TRUMP term. More than a few died, or, as the thread starter would say, were massacred by TRUMP. (Since rd2 seems intent on blaming Biden for three other deaths, I'm sure that, in all fairness, he'll blame TRUMP for massacring the men in Niger. Even if those suckers knew what they signed up for.)

The Biden-ordered withdrawal from Afghanistan was botched badly, but we, in fact, withdrew.

There are no major American engagements ongoing, and there haven't been since the Afghanistan withdrawal.

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Looks like democrats have officially moved on from blaming Trump for the Afghanistan withdrawal tragedy...

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If they have they are dumb as Maga. Trump ordered the most cowardly settlement with the Taliban that led to the sudden collapse of the Afghani government we claimed to support. Trump lowered the total number of US military to 2500, which required us to abandon the Airbase we could no longer defend, which led to the bottleneck at the Kabul Int Airport. He pressured the Afghanis to accept a deal where 8,000 Taliban soldiers were released. The Bomb at the Airport was a tragic disaster and falls on Biden. But Americans tend to forgive a Presidential F/up so long as they counter it with the requisite shock and awe against the suitable patsy belligerent. Reagan lost 241 Marines in the bombing in Beirut, but all was forgotten with the Granada invasion. The fact Biden refused to find a patsy is the biggest political mistake of his Presidency.

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But fubar claims Biden ordered the withdrawal...
My favorite part of this is how Trump negotiated a peaceful withdrawal, Biden took office and completely screwed it all up, leaving Americans, allies and billions in military equipment behind and now somehow people like you have swallowed the lie that Biden, AS PRESIDENT, could not have made any changes to that plan, even though it is obvious he did. Trump isn't beholden to the military industrial complex, Biden is, and the difference was there for all to see.

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I know I may be intruding into your reality distortion field, but the deal Trump negotiated was then forced down the Afghan Govt. throat against their strenuous objection. Equipment was taken or scuttled, but there was never an option to pack up all equipment as the agreement and the subsequent fall of the govt. did not leave us with that option. Biden would have had to abrogate the Trump agreement --without an Afghan govt., only 2500 troops on the ground and no air support for 600 miles. You think that was a good military move? The only difference Trump would have made in the debacle is he wouldn't have bothered to come back for the Afghanis that we wanted to get out. Finally, Trump is beholden to what helps Trump. He is about the brand Trump. People on various sides politically are making a huge mistake to think they know what he is about. He has no real political center.

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That's hilarious. It's like hiring Trump to mow your lawn but before he can do it he is fired and replaced by Biden. When Biden shows up and does donuts on your lawn you claim Trump ruined your yard. Joe Biden was commander in chief. He chose the path to take to leave Afghanistan and got American soldiers, civilians allies killed. Biden left billions in military equipment to the Taliban. This is ALL on Biden and every that voted him into power.

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We are all subject to what comes before us, which determines our options. Trump's agreement left few options and no real military ones. I would agree that Biden is at fault for what happened, but to claim it was all great when Trump left is to ignore the facts. Blind faith in your fearless leader is going to get a lot of American soldiers killed, because Trump is going to go looking for a patsy to shoot at, and he thinks Iran is one. There's your 25th amendment issue.

fubar said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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fubar said:

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Not sure that anybody can defend Biden's statement. Has anybody tried?

On the other hand, the TRUMP claim that he was the most peace-loving president in ___ number of years -- which was demonstrably false as well -- no longer holds whatever water any of you say it did. More American soldiers died under his watch than under Biden's,

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While you are often able to stay grounded with your statements while others go ape, this is not one of those times. The world became much quieter in regards to American wars under Trump compared to any other president in the last 30 years.

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American troops were in Afghanistan the entire TRUMP term. More than a few died, or, as the thread starter would say, were massacred by TRUMP. (Since rd2 seems intent on blaming Biden for three other deaths, I'm sure that, in all fairness, he'll blame TRUMP for massacring the men in Niger. Even if those suckers knew what they signed up for.)

The Biden-ordered withdrawal from Afghanistan was botched badly, but we, in fact, withdrew.

There are no major American engagements ongoing, and there haven't been since the Afghanistan withdrawal.

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Afghan didn't start on his watch.

New wars happened under Bush, Obama and Biden. That's the difference.

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Wangchung said:

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TWD 1974 said:

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Wangchung said:

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TWD 1974 said:

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Wangchung said:

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fubar said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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fubar said:

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Not sure that anybody can defend Biden's statement. Has anybody tried?

On the other hand, the TRUMP claim that he was the most peace-loving president in ___ number of years -- which was demonstrably false as well -- no longer holds whatever water any of you say it did. More American soldiers died under his watch than under Biden's,

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While you are often able to stay grounded with your statements while others go ape, this is not one of those times. The world became much quieter in regards to American wars under Trump compared to any other president in the last 30 years.

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American troops were in Afghanistan the entire TRUMP term. More than a few died, or, as the thread starter would say, were massacred by TRUMP. (Since rd2 seems intent on blaming Biden for three other deaths, I'm sure that, in all fairness, he'll blame TRUMP for massacring the men in Niger. Even if those suckers knew what they signed up for.)

The Biden-ordered withdrawal from Afghanistan was botched badly, but we, in fact, withdrew.

There are no major American engagements ongoing, and there haven't been since the Afghanistan withdrawal.

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Looks like democrats have officially moved on from blaming Trump for the Afghanistan withdrawal tragedy...

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If they have they are dumb as Maga. Trump ordered the most cowardly settlement with the Taliban that led to the sudden collapse of the Afghani government we claimed to support. Trump lowered the total number of US military to 2500, which required us to abandon the Airbase we could no longer defend, which led to the bottleneck at the Kabul Int Airport. He pressured the Afghanis to accept a deal where 8,000 Taliban soldiers were released. The Bomb at the Airport was a tragic disaster and falls on Biden. But Americans tend to forgive a Presidential F/up so long as they counter it with the requisite shock and awe against the suitable patsy belligerent. Reagan lost 241 Marines in the bombing in Beirut, but all was forgotten with the Granada invasion. The fact Biden refused to find a patsy is the biggest political mistake of his Presidency.

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But fubar claims Biden ordered the withdrawal...
My favorite part of this is how Trump negotiated a peaceful withdrawal, Biden took office and completely screwed it all up, leaving Americans, allies and billions in military equipment behind and now somehow people like you have swallowed the lie that Biden, AS PRESIDENT, could not have made any changes to that plan, even though it is obvious he did. Trump isn't beholden to the military industrial complex, Biden is, and the difference was there for all to see.

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I know I may be intruding into your reality distortion field, but the deal Trump negotiated was then forced down the Afghan Govt. throat against their strenuous objection. Equipment was taken or scuttled, but there was never an option to pack up all equipment as the agreement and the subsequent fall of the govt. did not leave us with that option. Biden would have had to abrogate the Trump agreement --without an Afghan govt., only 2500 troops on the ground and no air support for 600 miles. You think that was a good military move? The only difference Trump would have made in the debacle is he wouldn't have bothered to come back for the Afghanis that we wanted to get out. Finally, Trump is beholden to what helps Trump. He is about the brand Trump. People on various sides politically are making a huge mistake to think they know what he is about. He has no real political center.

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That's hilarious. It's like hiring Trump to mow your lawn but before he can do it he is fired and replaced by Biden. When Biden shows up and does donuts on your lawn you claim Trump ruined your yard. Joe Biden was commander in chief. He chose the path to take to leave Afghanistan and got American soldiers, civilians allies killed. Biden left billions in military equipment to the Taliban. This is ALL on Biden and every that voted him into power.

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We are all subject to what comes before us, which determines our options. Trump's agreement left few options and no real military ones. I would agree that Biden is at fault for what happened, but to claim it was all great when Trump left is to ignore the facts. Blind faith in your fearless leader is going to get a lot of American soldiers killed, because Trump is going to go looking for a patsy to shoot at, and he thinks Iran is one. There's your 25th amendment issue.

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If only we had a Trump term in office to see what he would actually do versus just guessing... oh wait, we do. He started no new wars and negotiated a withdrawal from a 20 year war that the subsequent president fumbled. I would rather have a president willing to shoot at Iran than the two democrats who gave them $16,000,000,000 between the two of them.

TWD 1974 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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TWD 1974 said:

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Wangchung said:

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TWD 1974 said:

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Wangchung said:

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fubar said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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fubar said:

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Not sure that anybody can defend Biden's statement. Has anybody tried?

On the other hand, the TRUMP claim that he was the most peace-loving president in ___ number of years -- which was demonstrably false as well -- no longer holds whatever water any of you say it did. More American soldiers died under his watch than under Biden's,

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While you are often able to stay grounded with your statements while others go ape, this is not one of those times. The world became much quieter in regards to American wars under Trump compared to any other president in the last 30 years.

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American troops were in Afghanistan the entire TRUMP term. More than a few died, or, as the thread starter would say, were massacred by TRUMP. (Since rd2 seems intent on blaming Biden for three other deaths, I'm sure that, in all fairness, he'll blame TRUMP for massacring the men in Niger. Even if those suckers knew what they signed up for.)

The Biden-ordered withdrawal from Afghanistan was botched badly, but we, in fact, withdrew.

There are no major American engagements ongoing, and there haven't been since the Afghanistan withdrawal.

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Looks like democrats have officially moved on from blaming Trump for the Afghanistan withdrawal tragedy...

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If they have they are dumb as Maga. Trump ordered the most cowardly settlement with the Taliban that led to the sudden collapse of the Afghani government we claimed to support. Trump lowered the total number of US military to 2500, which required us to abandon the Airbase we could no longer defend, which led to the bottleneck at the Kabul Int Airport. He pressured the Afghanis to accept a deal where 8,000 Taliban soldiers were released. The Bomb at the Airport was a tragic disaster and falls on Biden. But Americans tend to forgive a Presidential F/up so long as they counter it with the requisite shock and awe against the suitable patsy belligerent. Reagan lost 241 Marines in the bombing in Beirut, but all was forgotten with the Granada invasion. The fact Biden refused to find a patsy is the biggest political mistake of his Presidency.

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But fubar claims Biden ordered the withdrawal...
My favorite part of this is how Trump negotiated a peaceful withdrawal, Biden took office and completely screwed it all up, leaving Americans, allies and billions in military equipment behind and now somehow people like you have swallowed the lie that Biden, AS PRESIDENT, could not have made any changes to that plan, even though it is obvious he did. Trump isn't beholden to the military industrial complex, Biden is, and the difference was there for all to see.

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I know I may be intruding into your reality distortion field, but the deal Trump negotiated was then forced down the Afghan Govt. throat against their strenuous objection. Equipment was taken or scuttled, but there was never an option to pack up all equipment as the agreement and the subsequent fall of the govt. did not leave us with that option. Biden would have had to abrogate the Trump agreement --without an Afghan govt., only 2500 troops on the ground and no air support for 600 miles. You think that was a good military move? The only difference Trump would have made in the debacle is he wouldn't have bothered to come back for the Afghanis that we wanted to get out. Finally, Trump is beholden to what helps Trump. He is about the brand Trump. People on various sides politically are making a huge mistake to think they know what he is about. He has no real political center.

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I love The View talking points.

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Do you ever stop with the insouciant disdain? Never watched the View as I have been happily employed for most of my life.

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Yes. But asking TDSers for specifics and details always ends in silence.

Not much to respond to someone that thinks the Afghanistan disaster was Trump's fault.

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Not sure that anybody can defend Biden's statement. Has anybody tried?

On the other hand, the TRUMP claim that he was the most peace-loving president in ___ number of years -- which was demonstrably false as well -- no longer holds whatever water any of you say it did. More American soldiers died under his watch than under Biden's,

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Lies or "puffing"? If a real estate agent say's "It's the most beautiful home in the best neighborhood in town" it is called Puffing and it is not illegal. Most of what Trump is accused of lying about is nothing more than puffing in the political sense.

TWD 1974 said:

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Wangchung said:

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TWD 1974 said:

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Wangchung said:

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TWD 1974 said:

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Wangchung said:

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fubar said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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fubar said:

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Not sure that anybody can defend Biden's statement. Has anybody tried?

On the other hand, the TRUMP claim that he was the most peace-loving president in ___ number of years -- which was demonstrably false as well -- no longer holds whatever water any of you say it did. More American soldiers died under his watch than under Biden's,

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While you are often able to stay grounded with your statements while others go ape, this is not one of those times. The world became much quieter in regards to American wars under Trump compared to any other president in the last 30 years.

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American troops were in Afghanistan the entire TRUMP term. More than a few died, or, as the thread starter would say, were massacred by TRUMP. (Since rd2 seems intent on blaming Biden for three other deaths, I'm sure that, in all fairness, he'll blame TRUMP for massacring the men in Niger. Even if those suckers knew what they signed up for.)

The Biden-ordered withdrawal from Afghanistan was botched badly, but we, in fact, withdrew.

There are no major American engagements ongoing, and there haven't been since the Afghanistan withdrawal.

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Looks like democrats have officially moved on from blaming Trump for the Afghanistan withdrawal tragedy...

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If they have they are dumb as Maga. Trump ordered the most cowardly settlement with the Taliban that led to the sudden collapse of the Afghani government we claimed to support. Trump lowered the total number of US military to 2500, which required us to abandon the Airbase we could no longer defend, which led to the bottleneck at the Kabul Int Airport. He pressured the Afghanis to accept a deal where 8,000 Taliban soldiers were released. The Bomb at the Airport was a tragic disaster and falls on Biden. But Americans tend to forgive a Presidential F/up so long as they counter it with the requisite shock and awe against the suitable patsy belligerent. Reagan lost 241 Marines in the bombing in Beirut, but all was forgotten with the Granada invasion. The fact Biden refused to find a patsy is the biggest political mistake of his Presidency.

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But fubar claims Biden ordered the withdrawal...
My favorite part of this is how Trump negotiated a peaceful withdrawal, Biden took office and completely screwed it all up, leaving Americans, allies and billions in military equipment behind and now somehow people like you have swallowed the lie that Biden, AS PRESIDENT, could not have made any changes to that plan, even though it is obvious he did. Trump isn't beholden to the military industrial complex, Biden is, and the difference was there for all to see.

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I know I may be intruding into your reality distortion field, but the deal Trump negotiated was then forced down the Afghan Govt. throat against their strenuous objection. Equipment was taken or scuttled, but there was never an option to pack up all equipment as the agreement and the subsequent fall of the govt. did not leave us with that option. Biden would have had to abrogate the Trump agreement --without an Afghan govt., only 2500 troops on the ground and no air support for 600 miles. You think that was a good military move? The only difference Trump would have made in the debacle is he wouldn't have bothered to come back for the Afghanis that we wanted to get out. Finally, Trump is beholden to what helps Trump. He is about the brand Trump. People on various sides politically are making a huge mistake to think they know what he is about. He has no real political center.

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That's hilarious. It's like hiring Trump to mow your lawn but before he can do it he is fired and replaced by Biden. When Biden shows up and does donuts on your lawn you claim Trump ruined your yard. Joe Biden was commander in chief. He chose the path to take to leave Afghanistan and got American soldiers, civilians allies killed. Biden left billions in military equipment to the Taliban. This is ALL on Biden and every that voted him into power.

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We are all subject to what comes before us, which determines our options. Trump's agreement left few options and no real military ones. I would agree that Biden is at fault for what happened, but to claim it was all great when Trump left is to ignore the facts. Blind faith in your fearless leader is going to get a lot of American soldiers killed, because Trump is going to go looking for a patsy to shoot at, and he thinks Iran is one. There's your 25th amendment issue.

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No faith in your spineless leader gets soldiers killed too.

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Not sure that anybody can defend Biden's statement. Has anybody tried?

On the other hand, the TRUMP claim that he was the most peace-loving president in ___ number of years -- which was demonstrably false as well -- no longer holds whatever water any of you say it did. More American soldiers died under his watch than under Biden's,

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While you are often able to stay grounded with your statements while others go ape, this is not one of those times. The world became much quieter in regards to American wars under Trump compared to any other president in the last 30 years.

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American troops were in Afghanistan the entire TRUMP term. More than a few died, or, as the thread starter would say, were massacred by TRUMP. (Since rd2 seems intent on blaming Biden for three other deaths, I'm sure that, in all fairness, he'll blame TRUMP for massacring the men in Niger. Even if those suckers knew what they signed up for.)

The Biden-ordered withdrawal from Afghanistan was botched badly, but we, in fact, withdrew.

There are no major American engagements ongoing, and there haven't been since the Afghanistan withdrawal.

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Looks like democrats have officially moved on from blaming Trump for the Afghanistan withdrawal tragedy...

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If they have they are dumb as Maga. Trump ordered the most cowardly settlement with the Taliban that led to the sudden collapse of the Afghani government we claimed to support. Trump lowered the total number of US military to 2500, which required us to abandon the Airbase we could no longer defend, which led to the bottleneck at the Kabul Int Airport. He pressured the Afghanis to accept a deal where 8,000 Taliban soldiers were released. The Bomb at the Airport was a tragic disaster and falls on Biden. But Americans tend to forgive a Presidential F/up so long as they counter it with the requisite shock and awe against the suitable patsy belligerent. Reagan lost 241 Marines in the bombing in Beirut, but all was forgotten with the Granada invasion. The fact Biden refused to find a patsy is the biggest political mistake of his Presidency.

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But fubar claims Biden ordered the withdrawal...
My favorite part of this is how Trump negotiated a peaceful withdrawal, Biden took office and completely screwed it all up, leaving Americans, allies and billions in military equipment behind and now somehow people like you have swallowed the lie that Biden, AS PRESIDENT, could not have made any changes to that plan, even though it is obvious he did. Trump isn't beholden to the military industrial complex, Biden is, and the difference was there for all to see.

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I know I may be intruding into your reality distortion field, but the deal Trump negotiated was then forced down the Afghan Govt. throat against their strenuous objection. Equipment was taken or scuttled, but there was never an option to pack up all equipment as the agreement and the subsequent fall of the govt. did not leave us with that option. Biden would have had to abrogate the Trump agreement --without an Afghan govt., only 2500 troops on the ground and no air support for 600 miles. You think that was a good military move? The only difference Trump would have made in the debacle is he wouldn't have bothered to come back for the Afghanis that we wanted to get out. Finally, Trump is beholden to what helps Trump. He is about the brand Trump. People on various sides politically are making a huge mistake to think they know what he is about. He has no real political center.

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I love The View talking points.

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Do you ever stop with the insouciant disdain? Never watched the View as I have been happily employed for most of my life.

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Yes. But asking TDSers for specifics and details always ends in silence.

Not much to respond to someone that thinks the Afghanistan disaster was Trump's fault.

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This is true always and endlessly entertaining as they struggle every day and can't figure out why.

Meanwhile those of us with means crush it under the Dems always. Sadly that's a small majority.

Hate seeing so many families destroyed under democrats. We have an easy case study of many yet they fail to acknowledge or understand

Pride and ignorance create lots of problems for people.

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fubar said:

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Not sure that anybody can defend Biden's statement. Has anybody tried?

On the other hand, the TRUMP claim that he was the most peace-loving president in ___ number of years -- which was demonstrably false as well -- no longer holds whatever water any of you say it did. More American soldiers died under his watch than under Biden's,

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Trump most peaceful president I'm aware of. World on fire exploding under Biden just like his daddy Obama and bush

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It's easy to be peaceful when you don't defend yourself from Iran when they shoot missiles at your bases

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He could have just handed them $7b

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Question....if that $7b was on pallets whos to say $1B or $2B wasn't pocketed by someone???

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Wangchung said:

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TWD 1974 said:

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Wangchung said:

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fubar said:

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fubar said:

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Not sure that anybody can defend Biden's statement. Has anybody tried?

On the other hand, the TRUMP claim that he was the most peace-loving president in ___ number of years -- which was demonstrably false as well -- no longer holds whatever water any of you say it did. More American soldiers died under his watch than under Biden's,

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While you are often able to stay grounded with your statements while others go ape, this is not one of those times. The world became much quieter in regards to American wars under Trump compared to any other president in the last 30 years.

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American troops were in Afghanistan the entire TRUMP term. More than a few died, or, as the thread starter would say, were massacred by TRUMP. (Since rd2 seems intent on blaming Biden for three other deaths, I'm sure that, in all fairness, he'll blame TRUMP for massacring the men in Niger. Even if those suckers knew what they signed up for.)

The Biden-ordered withdrawal from Afghanistan was botched badly, but we, in fact, withdrew.

There are no major American engagements ongoing, and there haven't been since the Afghanistan withdrawal.

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Looks like democrats have officially moved on from blaming Trump for the Afghanistan withdrawal tragedy...

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If they have they are dumb as Maga. Trump ordered the most cowardly settlement with the Taliban that led to the sudden collapse of the Afghani government we claimed to support. Trump lowered the total number of US military to 2500, which required us to abandon the Airbase we could no longer defend, which led to the bottleneck at the Kabul Int Airport. He pressured the Afghanis to accept a deal where 8,000 Taliban soldiers were released. The Bomb at the Airport was a tragic disaster and falls on Biden. But Americans tend to forgive a Presidential F/up so long as they counter it with the requisite shock and awe against the suitable patsy belligerent. Reagan lost 241 Marines in the bombing in Beirut, but all was forgotten with the Granada invasion. The fact Biden refused to find a patsy is the biggest political mistake of his Presidency.

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But fubar claims Biden ordered the withdrawal...
My favorite part of this is how Trump negotiated a peaceful withdrawal, Biden took office and completely screwed it all up, leaving Americans, allies and billions in military equipment behind and now somehow people like you have swallowed the lie that Biden, AS PRESIDENT, could not have made any changes to that plan, even though it is obvious he did. Trump isn't beholden to the military industrial complex, Biden is, and the difference was there for all to see.

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I know I may be intruding into your reality distortion field, but the deal Trump negotiated was then forced down the Afghan Govt. throat against their strenuous objection. Equipment was taken or scuttled, but there was never an option to pack up all equipment as the agreement and the subsequent fall of the govt. did not leave us with that option. Biden would have had to abrogate the Trump agreement --without an Afghan govt., only 2500 troops on the ground and no air support for 600 miles. You think that was a good military move? The only difference Trump would have made in the debacle is he wouldn't have bothered to come back for the Afghanis that we wanted to get out. Finally, Trump is beholden to what helps Trump. He is about the brand Trump. People on various sides politically are making a huge mistake to think they know what he is about. He has no real political center.

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I love The View talking points.

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Do you ever stop with the insouciant disdain? Never watched the View as I have been happily employed for most of my life.

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Yes. But asking TDSers for specifics and details always ends in silence.

Not much to respond to someone that thinks the Afghanistan disaster was Trump's fault.

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When have you asked for specifics and details to this alleged TDSer. I have said now 3 times on this thread and others have said as well, the debacle in Afghanistan was Biden's fault. That does not make Trump innocent of what was done before. I find you arrogant, with about 50% of the reading comprehension and intelligence you purport. Utterly bored with you. good night.

TWD 1974 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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TWD 1974 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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TWD 1974 said:

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Wangchung said:

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TWD 1974 said:

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Wangchung said:

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fubar said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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fubar said:

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Not sure that anybody can defend Biden's statement. Has anybody tried?

On the other hand, the TRUMP claim that he was the most peace-loving president in ___ number of years -- which was demonstrably false as well -- no longer holds whatever water any of you say it did. More American soldiers died under his watch than under Biden's,

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While you are often able to stay grounded with your statements while others go ape, this is not one of those times. The world became much quieter in regards to American wars under Trump compared to any other president in the last 30 years.

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American troops were in Afghanistan the entire TRUMP term. More than a few died, or, as the thread starter would say, were massacred by TRUMP. (Since rd2 seems intent on blaming Biden for three other deaths, I'm sure that, in all fairness, he'll blame TRUMP for massacring the men in Niger. Even if those suckers knew what they signed up for.)

The Biden-ordered withdrawal from Afghanistan was botched badly, but we, in fact, withdrew.

There are no major American engagements ongoing, and there haven't been since the Afghanistan withdrawal.

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Looks like democrats have officially moved on from blaming Trump for the Afghanistan withdrawal tragedy...

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If they have they are dumb as Maga. Trump ordered the most cowardly settlement with the Taliban that led to the sudden collapse of the Afghani government we claimed to support. Trump lowered the total number of US military to 2500, which required us to abandon the Airbase we could no longer defend, which led to the bottleneck at the Kabul Int Airport. He pressured the Afghanis to accept a deal where 8,000 Taliban soldiers were released. The Bomb at the Airport was a tragic disaster and falls on Biden. But Americans tend to forgive a Presidential F/up so long as they counter it with the requisite shock and awe against the suitable patsy belligerent. Reagan lost 241 Marines in the bombing in Beirut, but all was forgotten with the Granada invasion. The fact Biden refused to find a patsy is the biggest political mistake of his Presidency.

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But fubar claims Biden ordered the withdrawal...
My favorite part of this is how Trump negotiated a peaceful withdrawal, Biden took office and completely screwed it all up, leaving Americans, allies and billions in military equipment behind and now somehow people like you have swallowed the lie that Biden, AS PRESIDENT, could not have made any changes to that plan, even though it is obvious he did. Trump isn't beholden to the military industrial complex, Biden is, and the difference was there for all to see.

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I know I may be intruding into your reality distortion field, but the deal Trump negotiated was then forced down the Afghan Govt. throat against their strenuous objection. Equipment was taken or scuttled, but there was never an option to pack up all equipment as the agreement and the subsequent fall of the govt. did not leave us with that option. Biden would have had to abrogate the Trump agreement --without an Afghan govt., only 2500 troops on the ground and no air support for 600 miles. You think that was a good military move? The only difference Trump would have made in the debacle is he wouldn't have bothered to come back for the Afghanis that we wanted to get out. Finally, Trump is beholden to what helps Trump. He is about the brand Trump. People on various sides politically are making a huge mistake to think they know what he is about. He has no real political center.

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I love The View talking points.

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Do you ever stop with the insouciant disdain? Never watched the View as I have been happily employed for most of my life.

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Yes. But asking TDSers for specifics and details always ends in silence.

Not much to respond to someone that thinks the Afghanistan disaster was Trump's fault.

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When have you asked for specifics and details to this alleged TDSer. I have said now 3 times on this thread and others have said as well, the debacle in Afghanistan was Biden's fault. That does not make Trump innocent of what was done before. I find you arrogant, with about 50% of the reading comprehension and intelligence you purport. Utterly bored with you. good night.

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I apologize that I gave you the impression than I care what you think.

Be honest with yourself. You're not smart enough to debate me. You know it's true, but it bothers you so you feel like you should post something i response.

There is a reason all the TDSers tuck their tails and run when I engage them in debates. It's less about my intelligence but the lack thereof among the TDS crowd.

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We don't defend it. He was wrong. Now about the 30 lies Trump told

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whataboutism..

Straw man

Stay on topic please

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Biden lied through the whole debate.

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The LWNJ talking points are that TRUMP LIED - but have not a single example of one lie he told.