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My wife was pretty excited when Vance was first announced....but the more she hears now though the less enthusiasm she's having for the pick.
Agree that the top ticket is what really matters....but in a race that may end up having pretty tight margins any slight negative could be damaging.
This is how I feel as well. We can argue and debate whose worse between Trump & Kamala, but the average American has a poor opinion on both, making the VP picks way more consequential than a typical election.
IMO Vance was a terrible pick from a strategic front, as all he really does is represent the voter base that was already voting Trump to begin with.
Vance was a hubris pick that is going to come back and bite Trump. Scott, Haley, Burchum, even Gabbard would have been good picks as they bring something to the table. Vance brings nothing and even looks like a grooming to continue 8 more years of Trump after he is done. That is going to be deterrent to vote for them.
100% agree. Any of the names mentioned would have been significantly better.
Haley would have been horrific... he would have lost his base.
I disagree, where would they go? Harris? Trump is not losing his base! Hell, half of you are saying he could put a Dem on the ticket in Gabbard and do fine. Haley may be pro-Ukraine, but she also has legit conservative history and believes.
Also, Haley is a pro, she would not have said anything that irritated the Base and would have stressed what she did consistent with Bases believe. She is not a loose cannon.
The difference is that Haley or Gabbard would have appealed to votes that Trump doesn't have and irritates people not going away from Trump.
Vance on the other hand, rubs salt in the eyes of the people Trump is trying to attract.
Tulsi didn't insult the MAGA base like Haley has. And for not being apart of the MAGA base Tulsi has actually been fairly deferential and respectful to our concerns. I think Tulsi is a populist at heart and there is nothing the uniparty hates more than populism and nationalism.
DeSantis was adept at walking that fine line between running against Trump and keeping his critiques directed at Trump the man without insulting the MAGA base... Haley ran over the line like she was in a F1 race.
Haley has always been a manufacturered/astro turf candidate without any real grassroots support and the base knows this.
Trump is not losing the base over Haley, maybe you would since you feel that strongly about someone that went to battle for Trump at the UN and called both Russia and China to task. But, the rest are so Trump-centric it don't matter.
I'd be OK with Haley being US rep to the UN again, but that's about all.
Tulsi won a lot of love from me for her break away from the democrat party and her savaging KH on the debate stage. She has evaluated Trump objectively and supports him. But VP is a hard no for me. She is one heartbeat away from being POTUS and, I believe still quite liberal in a lot of her positions. I hope he rewards her with a cabinet position but not VP.
Since she "saw the light" I have also been impressed by and have agreed with virtually everything I've heard Gabbard say - but you're right - there are definitely some concerning things in her dimcrat past. One of those is buying into the climate scam. While I don't think we truly know if she really does or did actually believe in the climate BS or if it was just something she dutifully pledged allegiance to while trying to succeed as a dimcrat (since it is a sacrament of the party along with abortion) but I haven't heard her disavow it since the conversion. Still like the current version of her, but when she was a dimcrat she talked the talk and walked the walk of a dimcrat.
I think where you live has a lot to do with whether you believe the Climate stuff or not. Living in FL by the water, we are seeing water temps that are really high and not usual. The Gulf is usually warm in the summer, but it is getting to 90 in June. One or two years, ok. But it seems to be getting warmer more consistently and we are seeing more extreme heat. Tampa was never a 100 degrees place due to sea breeze, but I am seeing 100's, Phoenix type temps more often.
What is causing it? I don't know, but we are seeing coral kills, fish migrations and more red tides. All of a sudden we are seeing way more sharks and different species, some don't make sense Great Whites in the Gulf??? They may have always been there and we are just getting better information but it is different info than before.
I can see her being from Hawaii being more concerned over climate.
It all comes down to the fact that sometimes we have severe summers and/or severe winters and the weather can be and is sometimes completely unpredictable and even violent. Always has been that way and always will be that way. Additionally, we all tend to relate to the way things have been over the course of our life. As someone into his seventh decade I agree it feels like average temps seem to have increased Over the course of my life, but I just attribute that to a natural cycle. Also, it's noteworthy that as a lifelong Texan the hottest summer on record during my life is still 1980, which was 44 years ago. It's also noteworthy that the hottest decade on record (before my time) was the 1930's or 9 decades ago - Plus, that's when the "dust bowl "happened as well. Imagine The hysteria if climate change had been a thing back then.
Bottom line it's all about natural cycles and forces that are well beyond mankind's ability to alter or control. Plus, if we are in a natural warming cycle It's not all doom, gloom, and Armageddon level catastrophe as there are actually some positives about it as well. As humans we do have the intelligence, ingenuity, and ability to react to things like weather and climate events, but we cannot and likely will not ever be able to control it or alter it to any meaningful degree regardless of how many tens of trillions of dollars we foolishly try to throw at it.
